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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 6, 2019 18:31:14 GMT -5
So tophat parents finally told tonight ECNL is gone and that the second team will be a “developmental DA” team in the DPL. Supposedly trying to spin this as a 2nd DA team, I wonder how many parents will buy that used car salesman talk since this is not an official team designation that will be a nationwide or even regional DA designation? If every DA program adopted this that would be different. Plus who wants to be the second team with no history behind this designation. I imagine a good amount of girls head to other ECNL tryouts now.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on May 6, 2019 19:16:25 GMT -5
Stay tuned. Cray-cray is starting to rev up. Is DPL an answer to the ECNL all-in ultimatum? Just for fun: SCCL DPL Athena B DA NPL SCCL Premier ECNL Athena C High School NL Athena A Do I have it right?
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Post by 4theloveofsoccer on May 6, 2019 19:21:47 GMT -5
Stay tuned. Cray-cray is starting to rev up. Is DPL an answer to the ECNL all-in ultimatum? Just for fun: SCCL DPL Athena B DA NPL SCCL Premier ECNL Athena C High School NL Athena A Do I have it right? Damn...my head hurts with all these leagues that I don't know what's what anymore.
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Post by girlsoccer on May 6, 2019 19:49:15 GMT -5
Stay tuned. Cray-cray is starting to rev up. Is DPL an answer to the ECNL all-in ultimatum? Just for fun: SCCL DPL Athena B DA NPL SCCL Premier ECNL Athena C High School NL Athena A Do I have it right? Yes it is an answer to ecnl all-in ultimatum and your summary sounds about right 🤣
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Post by mistergrinch on May 6, 2019 19:55:36 GMT -5
You forgot Piedmont conference.. And the new ecrl (not here..yet)
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 6, 2019 19:57:53 GMT -5
And the new USL league also not local yet but could be soon. Plus I saw this morning that EDP (a league I have seen in the northeast) has started a Florida league.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on May 6, 2019 20:21:13 GMT -5
Oh, I almost forgot - there is no pro/rel and each division winner and runner up within each league gets to punch (and purchase) their ticket to sunny Randomville, California’s Mega-Venue for the FUBAR Championships!
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Post by putmeincoach on May 6, 2019 20:27:01 GMT -5
What League will this Dev DA team play in? So tophat parents finally told tonight ECNL is gone and that the second team will be a “developmental DA” team. Supposedly trying to spin this as a 2nd DA team, I wonder how many parents will buy that used car salesman talk since this is not an official team designation that will be a nationwide or even regional DA designation? If every DA program adopted this that would be different. Plus who wants to be the second team with no history behind this designation. I imagine a good amount of girls head to other ECNL tryouts now.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on May 6, 2019 20:40:56 GMT -5
It’s called the DPL - Development Player League. Announcements are dribbling out from teams this week.
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Post by greenmonkey on May 6, 2019 21:10:12 GMT -5
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 6, 2019 22:40:10 GMT -5
Ok, so DPL is basically going to be like ECRL but for DA clubs?
Is this going to be the UFA announcement?
The alphabet soup is seriously getting out of control. On the girls side we simply don't have the depth of players to make all these leagues competitive. Maybe if all the top players in the state would leave the USYS system and join a club in US Club but as it is things are just getting further diluted.
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Post by SoccerMom on May 6, 2019 23:52:45 GMT -5
Ok, so DPL is basically going to be like ECRL but for DA clubs? Is this going to be the UFA announcement? The alphabet soup is seriously getting out of control. On the girls side we simply don't have the depth of players to make all these leagues competitive. Maybe if all the top players in the state would leave the USYS system and join a club in US Club but as it is things are just getting further diluted. No, only NTH from GA. They didn't want anyone else from the state in it.
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Post by atv on May 7, 2019 5:34:17 GMT -5
Ok, so DPL is basically going to be like ECRL but for DA clubs? Is this going to be the UFA announcement? The alphabet soup is seriously getting out of control. On the girls side we simply don't have the depth of players to make all these leagues competitive. Maybe if all the top players in the state would leave the USYS system and join a club in US Club but as it is things are just getting further diluted. Absolute madness.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 7, 2019 5:54:47 GMT -5
Parents, Parents, Parents...
This is all because of us as parents. We allow this nonsense to continue. From NTH's POV, I see what they are trying to do. They have to find a way to snooker oops I mean convince those in the second layer of players who will not make DA but were settled with ECNL to stay in the NTH family. We as parents, not wanting to disappoint junior, hustle to find some way to mitigate their abject disappointment for not being good enough for GDA. We threaten to take our kids to hell & creation, we threaten to pull all our other 15 kids and we can get 10 more to go with us. NTH & Co. say, hey we have a solution. Introducing the new found guaranteed way for your Suzie Q to for sure get into DA, maybe: We give them DPL for DA clubs...huh?
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 7, 2019 6:46:30 GMT -5
Parents, Parents, Parents... This is all because of us as parents. We allow this nonsense to continue. From NTH's POV, I see what they are trying to do. They have to find a way to snooker oops I mean convince those in the second layer of players who will not make DA but were settled with ECNL to stay in the NTH family. We as parents, not wanting to disappoint junior, hustle to find some way to mitigate their abject disappointment for not being good enough for GDA. We threaten to take our kids to hell & creation, we threaten to pull all our other 15 kids and we can get 10 more to go with us. NTH & Co. say, hey we have a solution. Introducing the new found guaranteed way for your Suzie Q to for sure get into DA, maybe: We give them DPL for DA clubs...huh? How is this league going to be better than NPL or ECRL (if it existed here)? I totally agree with you. This is us demanding some product for our kids that is "special." However there are already products that would be equivalent (NPL has a few second teams from clubs with GDA) that probably travel less (I don't know since I haven't seen where NTH Development DA is going to travel). I get it from Tophat's point of view too, but it is just making a further mess of things.
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Post by atv on May 7, 2019 7:08:19 GMT -5
This doesn’t really affect anybody directly outside of these specific TopHat teams. Doesn’t affect other players at different clubs. Just another example of another soccer silo as the competition landscape becomes more and more fragmented. Hopefully, the DPL teams don’t operate in complete isolation from others in Georgia. Good luck to them! Just dam glad we aren’t doing this.
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Post by Strikeorkeep on May 7, 2019 7:23:20 GMT -5
This really only affects the second teams at Tophat (SCCL 2006 and ECNL 2005-above). What do they do? Sometimes it seems harder to jump around than to stay put during change.
Do they risk trying to find a spot on a DA/ECNL team at another club? Do any current ECNL (SCCL 06) girls get a real look at DA now that ECNL has gone away? I think thats the real question.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on May 7, 2019 7:29:33 GMT -5
This doesn’t really affect anybody directly outside of these specific TopHat teams. Doesn’t affect other players at different clubs. Just another example of another soccer silo as the competition landscape becomes more and more fragmented. Hopefully, the DPL teams don’t operate in complete isolation from others in Georgia. Good luck to them! Just dam glad we aren’t doing this. Well I would think it is going to create a fair amount of havoc at tryouts at all clubs. These affected girls will be at a minimum exploring other options.
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Post by aufanatic on May 7, 2019 7:30:21 GMT -5
This really only affects the second teams at Tophat (SCCL 2006 and ECNL 2005-above). What do they do? Sometimes it seems harder to jump around than to stay put during change. Do they risk trying to find a spot on a DA/ECNL team at another club? Do any current ECNL (SCCL 06) girls get a real look at DA now that ECNL has gone away? I think thats the real question. It affects more than just those teams. Those players will disburse to other clubs - especially the ones in High School who may already be getting looks. How many kids lose their current ECNL spots at Concorde, AFU, GSA to TH players? How many kids will get dropped by coaches they are currently talking to when they go from ECNL to SCCL or whatever other combination of letters you can string together? In many instances, college coaches will not know what has happened in the ATL competitive soccer market and see that as a negative. It's a snowball effect.
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Post by Strikeorkeep on May 7, 2019 7:33:28 GMT -5
This really only affects the second teams at Tophat (SCCL 2006 and ECNL 2005-above). What do they do? Sometimes it seems harder to jump around than to stay put during change. Do they risk trying to find a spot on a DA/ECNL team at another club? Do any current ECNL (SCCL 06) girls get a real look at DA now that ECNL has gone away? I think thats the real question. It affects more than just those teams. Those players will disburse to other clubs - especially the ones in High School who may already be getting looks. How many kids lose their current ECNL spots at Concorde, AFU, GSA to TH players? How many kids will get dropped by coaches they are currently talking to when they go from ECNL to SCCL or whatever other combination of letters you can string together? In many instances, college coaches will not know what has happened in the ATL competitive soccer market and see that as a negative. It's a snowball effect. True, it reminds of last year when CF North blew up and a ton of their players went to NTH or UFA. Shoved a lot of talented girls down a level of play.
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Post by atlsoccerdad on May 7, 2019 8:13:07 GMT -5
This really only affects the second teams at Tophat (SCCL 2006 and ECNL 2005-above). What do they do? Sometimes it seems harder to jump around than to stay put during change. Do they risk trying to find a spot on a DA/ECNL team at another club? Do any current ECNL (SCCL 06) girls get a real look at DA now that ECNL has gone away? I think thats the real question. It affects more than just those teams. Those players will disburse to other clubs - especially the ones in High School who may already be getting looks. How many kids lose their current ECNL spots at Concorde, AFU, GSA to TH players? How many kids will get dropped by coaches they are currently talking to when they go from ECNL to SCCL or whatever other combination of letters you can string together? In many instances, college coaches will not know what has happened in the ATL competitive soccer market and see that as a negative. It's a snowball effect. This is a ridiculous situation to be in. It may be true that parents "created" it, but there seems no way to "undo" it. How would anyone send a message to protest the crazy alphabet-soup-league-dilution ?
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Post by soccernotfootball on May 7, 2019 8:15:11 GMT -5
Probably oversimplified, but maybe just let the kid play where they want (whatever the league) and us parents not worry about where it falls in the alphabet.
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Post by infoguy on May 7, 2019 8:16:14 GMT -5
You forgot Piedmont conference.. And the new ecrl (not here..yet) Piedmont Conference is the local conference under NL.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 7, 2019 8:24:28 GMT -5
This doesn’t really affect anybody directly outside of these specific TopHat teams. Doesn’t affect other players at different clubs. Just another example of another soccer silo as the competition landscape becomes more and more fragmented. Hopefully, the DPL teams don’t operate in complete isolation from others in Georgia. Good luck to them! Just dam glad we aren’t doing this. Well I would think it is going to create a fair amount of havoc at tryouts at all clubs. These affected girls will be at a minimum exploring other options. I don't know if it's just me, but it seems there is even more uncertainty and anxiety this tryout season. For starters, I think it's atrocious that the clubs are also lacking in their communications this time around. Usually there is a race by the clubs to meet the faux release date of May 1st to get their information out so that parents, players and the clubs themselves can make important decisions that will affect their lives for the next 10-12 months. One has to troll practices and parks to find out who is coaching teams next year. You don't know which coaches are leaving/staying and in some cases you have to dig around to find the sign up link for tryouts. There are clubs that are having public ID Sessions and then "secret supplemental ID sessions" later and closer to tryouts. On top of that you add the introduction of DPL, SCCL 2.55, ABC, XYZ leagues without the real details being released. Is ECNL going away or are you gaining a hybrid DA team However, the one that chaps my behind is when parents/players aka customers reach out to the clubs and they too don't have answers or don't even bother to return calls 😡😡😡 I think sometimes we have to remember that we are the customers and without our stacks of $$$, clubs don't exist. These clubs should do better and stop the race to mediocrity... 💁♂⚽💁♀ [Stepping off Soapbox]
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Post by aufanatic on May 7, 2019 8:41:18 GMT -5
Probably oversimplified, but maybe just let the kid play where they want (whatever the league) and us parents not worry about where it falls in the alphabet. That works for a while - up to U13 or so. But then you have to start thinking about college and chances for exposure. Depending on your kids skill set and their future goals, you may find yourself chasing the proper acronym like the rest of us. Sad but true.
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Post by soccernotfootball on May 7, 2019 8:48:42 GMT -5
Probably oversimplified, but maybe just let the kid play where they want (whatever the league) and us parents not worry about where it falls in the alphabet. That works for a while - up to U13 or so. But then you have to start thinking about college and chances for exposure. Depending on your kids skill set and their future goals, you may find yourself chasing the proper acronym like the rest of us. Sad but true. What I'm saying is, if the parent wants it more than the kid - that's a problem. Help your kid navigate the maze if it's what THEY want - otherwise, just let them play and so be it.
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Post by TheMadOx on May 7, 2019 8:57:14 GMT -5
I find the comments about kids finding college scholarships, exposure, etc. to be funny. This sport isn't cheap to play at a high level, and if you just saved the money you invest in these top leagues to get "exposure to college", etc...you could pay for college twice! Just let the kids play the sport they love, their dedication, love, effort, and willingness will determine their team placement...just enjoy the ride and love watching your kids play...a couple of blinks of the eye and the fun is over.
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Post by kali on May 7, 2019 9:30:30 GMT -5
I find the comments about kids finding college scholarships, exposure, etc. to be funny. This sport isn't cheap to play at a high level, and if you just saved the money you invest in these top leagues to get "exposure to college", etc...you could pay for college twice! Just let the kids play the sport they love, their dedication, love, effort, and willingness will determine their team placement...just enjoy the ride and love watching your kids play...a couple of blinks of the eye and the fun is over. Both ECNL and GDA provide an avenue for exposure. Essentially that is what we are paying for. Why have a world of talent that no one will see? As for the investment argument, I would like to say this my DD committed, and her scholarship is NO WHERE near what I have paid for ECNL club soccer including the travel. I will happily write these checks until she is finished. But most certainly enjoy the ride.
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Post by OTPSoccer on May 7, 2019 9:38:50 GMT -5
MadOx - couldn't agree more. My suggestion (and what we've done in our house) is to wait until the summer between 8th and 9th grade to ask your kid whether they want to play in college. If the answer is yes, do what you can to help them get there. If they don't, you can relax and enjoy those last four years of soccer a little more.
Lastly, I think the alphabet soup of leagues is what you get when capitalism works. In the end, these clubs are selling a product. If consumers don't want to buy the product, the league folds. In ten years, do you think we'll have fewer leagues? Highly unlikely.
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Post by soccerdad456 on May 7, 2019 9:40:31 GMT -5
ECNL did NOT OFFER Tophat two teams to drop DA so what was tophat supposed to do? Just drop current ECNL girls down to SCCL???
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