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Post by honeybadger on Mar 29, 2020 9:02:41 GMT -5
In a country as big as the US (330 million + ), it would be unwise long term to demand 1 policy to deal with this.
1.The rural town of 400 people in south Ga and the people in NYC with million of people may not NEED the same policy.
2. If the federal government FORCES everyone to shutdown, there won't be club soccer to come back to because there won't be anyone working to pay the dues for their kids. No economy=no jobs=no payroll=no income= no club soccer. Large Fortune 500 companies may be able to survive 6 months, but 90% of the small businesses are 1-2 month max on available capital and liquidity. Those jobs will go away soon.
3. In the big picture, this is a new version of a flu type situation=it will be with us annually and just like the thousands more who will die from the flu in 2020, we can't shut the country down every time we hear the phrase "a person has CV19".
Please, please , please , don't take my opinions out of context. Of COURSE I'm not waving my hand at this virus. So don't claim I am. And yes, it's awful when anyone dies from this-just like it's awful when anyone dies of flu, pneumonia, etc. I'm only saying if we wait until there are ZERO cases of CV19 in the USA before things are allowed to open, then soccer will be the last things on our mind. We will be too busy protecting our homes and families from intruders willing to kill us for food.
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Post by soccerloafer on Mar 29, 2020 9:05:31 GMT -5
Frankly I think Georgia is precariously teetering on the edge. Take a drive around the ATL and see all the young people ignoring the mandates... people are still being dumb, and thus it will continue to get worse. Parents likely need to threaten taking away phone, internet and car privileges. Thankfully we're more rural in terms of chances of exposure. I am amazed at the lack of parents having been more strict, for instance... spring breakers. I found this video that uses GPS to track cell phones of the people that were on spring break and where they went back to afterward. It's really fascinating and scary at the same time. Tracking Spring breakers that traveled during COVID-19I get not freaking out, but I also get being a reasonable parent and telling your kid(s) to stay home this ONE time. Really!! Come on parents!! I get it... if I were their age I would probably say "screw it" and want to go to the beach also... But I also know my parents would have acted like "PARENTS" and told me my ass was staying home. College child went on spring break - not to one of the crazy party locations. Currently spending a 14 day quarantine at a secure location before we let her back home. Tough call, but compromised. Younger kids are easier to manage, but this is no joke. |
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Post by soccerloafer on Mar 29, 2020 9:07:42 GMT -5
In a country as big as the US (330 million + ), it would be unwise long term to demand 1 policy to deal with this. 1.The rural town of 400 people in south Ga and the people in NYC with million of people may not NEED the same policy. 2. If the federal government FORCES everyone to shutdown, there won't be club soccer to come back to because there won't be anyone working to pay the dues for their kids. No economy=no jobs=no payroll=no income= no club soccer. Large Fortune 500 companies may be able to survive 6 months, but 90% of the small businesses are 1-2 month max on available capital and liquidity. Those jobs will go away soon. 3. In the big picture, this is a new version of a flu type situation=it will be with us annually and just like the thousands more who will die from the flu in 2020, we can't shut the country down every time we hear the phrase "a person has CV19". Please, please , please , don't take my opinions out of context. Of COURSE I'm not waving my hand at this virus. So don't claim I am. And yes, it's awful when anyone dies from this-just like it's awful when anyone dies of flu, pneumonia, etc. I'm only saying if we wait until there are ZERO cases of CV19 in the USA before things are allowed to open, then soccer will be the last things on our mind. We will be too busy protecting our homes and families from intruders willing to kill us for food. From friends and family on the front lines, this is way worse than the flu. We have multiple nurses in our extended family and they are pretty much scared shizatless right now about how many patients they are losing. |
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Post by honeybadger on Mar 29, 2020 9:19:22 GMT -5
I hear you. We have nurses and doctors in my family too. I agree, nothing wrong with being scared now. I'm thinking in terms of the summer. Just my opinion but I think we will be mostly over this by then.
Obviously I could be wrong.
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Post by honeybadger on Mar 29, 2020 9:45:55 GMT -5
Here's why NY is a hotbed right now. These are from Tweets and video clips from NY leaders a month or so ago:
NY Health Commissioner, Oxiris Barbot, urge New Yorkers in early February to spend as much time as possible in crowded public places, long after coronavirus had been established in the U.S.
Sen. John Liu (D-NY): “there’s really no need to panic and to avoid activities that we always do as New Yorkers”
NY Senator Brian Kavanaugh warned that “it is very important that we ensure that we don’t have misinformation and many in the media have been covering this issue as if it’s, you know, a terrible plague that people have to avoid.”
A tweet by New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio dismissing the coronavirus in late March, encouraging folks to go to movie theaters and dine out.
"Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus, I thought I would offer some suggestions. Here’s the first: thru Thurs 3/5 go see “The Traitor” @filmlinc. If “The Wire” was a true story + set in Italy, it would be this film.
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Post by mistergrinch on Mar 29, 2020 10:08:38 GMT -5
I hear you. We have nurses and doctors in my family too. I agree, nothing wrong with being scared now. I'm thinking in terms of the summer. Just my opinion but I think we will be mostly over this by then. Obviously I could be wrong. This was sent to me by a friend at the CDC... they do not expect it to be over as soon as you're hoping
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Post by honeybadger on Mar 29, 2020 10:48:17 GMT -5
I don't mean over 100%. It will become an annual thing like the flu. My point is, there will be more harm done to the country by shutting down for 3 months than by the virus.
It won't take long for civil unrest to become more dangerous to local hospitals, police, fire, than CV19. Heck, we go nuts for TP on day 1 of this--day 91?? Tell the people they can't go in public until June? Forget it. Tens of thousands will die then. Just watch closely to the more frequent stories of violence around big cities as this continues. That vioelnce will come to Roswell, Norcross, Duluth, Marietta, Gainesville, Smyrna, Braselton, etc.
My only point is "leaders" better understand that just like with flu deaths, auto deaths, gun deaths, dietary deaths, there has always been an acceptable number of deaths in return for the overall benefit. Always has. For example, 50,000+ people a year die from automobile crashes. Not one person ever demands we start walking. Why? Because the result would be more deaths overall by not having transportation.
Our kids need to be outdoors being kids and socializing before spring is over. Therefore, it;s only my opinion that the club leaders need to think hard about this. The Gov. needs to think hard. County leaders need to think hard.
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Post by coffee on Mar 29, 2020 10:57:30 GMT -5
This was sent to me by a friend at the CDC... they do not expect it to be over as soon as you're hoping... covid19.healthdata.org/Great link. Thank you mistergrinch. Fantastic information there. Especially if you change the data view selector to just the State of Georgia. That makes me think that they (local Georgia governments) could safely remove restrictions on personal movement and behavior by sometime in July. Maybe late June? 🤞 I was expecting a slower/longer tapering off of required hospital beds and deaths. I think that if interstate, or International travel is relaxed at the same time we could easily see a resurgence of cases, and therefore a renewed need to lock down. |
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Post by honeybadger on Mar 29, 2020 11:44:56 GMT -5
Let's hope we get back soon!
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Post by Keeper on Mar 29, 2020 12:06:29 GMT -5
Frankly I think Georgia is precariously teetering on the edge. Take a drive around the ATL and see all the young people ignoring the mandates... people are still being dumb, and thus it will continue to get worse. Parents likely need to threaten taking away phone, internet and car privileges. Thankfully we're more rural in terms of chances of exposure. Slow your roll there buddy. I’ve seen plenty of 30-50 year old adults out ignoring the stay at home notices too. It’s not just the young people unless the young people include everyone under 65 years old. Difference is a lot of 20somethings have jobs in restaurants, bars, & other businesses that haven’t shut down while us old pre- millennials have all been able to work from home. |
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Post by Keeper on Mar 29, 2020 12:26:29 GMT -5
Let's hope we get back soon! Hope all you want but you have to start thinking realistically. We haven’t even made it 1/3 of the way up the mountain. The six weeks of April and early May will be the beginning of the worst and how we respond during that will depend on if things start getting back to normal by July 4th, or Labor Day. Schools are done till Fall. Youth Soccer and sports are done till Fall. Tryouts will be moved to July (at the earliest) Professional sports and major events are done til at least July. If billionaires are not able to restart their money machines of professional sports even to play in empty arenas till Summer then the other stuff is definitely not happening. We all just need to stay calm, prepare for the long term and trust the CDC & true medical experts for news and ignore any briefing that orange clown does on it. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 29, 2020 12:30:49 GMT -5
Frankly I think Georgia is precariously teetering on the edge. Take a drive around the ATL and see all the young people ignoring the mandates... people are still being dumb, and thus it will continue to get worse. Parents likely need to threaten taking away phone, internet and car privileges. Thankfully we're more rural in terms of chances of exposure. Slow your roll there buddy. I’ve seen plenty of 30-50 year old adults out ignoring the stay at home notices too. It’s not just the young people unless the young people include everyone under 65 years old. Difference is a lot of 20somethings have jobs in restaurants, bars, & other businesses that haven’t shut down while us old pre- millennials have all been able to work from home. I am in the 30-50 age group. I have cooked a lot in the last 2 weeks, but we have also done our part to try to keep the restaurants in business by ordering take out or going through a drive through a few times per week too. So we are going out some for that purpose. We also usually bring the kids in the car too just to get them out of the house. So many people are suffering financially so we try to support them as safely as possible as well. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Mar 29, 2020 12:45:24 GMT -5
Frankly I think Georgia is precariously teetering on the edge. Take a drive around the ATL and see all the young people ignoring the mandates... people are still being dumb, and thus it will continue to get worse. Parents likely need to threaten taking away phone, internet and car privileges. Thankfully we're more rural in terms of chances of exposure. Slow your roll there buddy. I’ve seen plenty of 30-50 year old adults out ignoring the stay at home notices too. It’s not just the young people unless the young people include everyone under 65 years old. Difference is a lot of 20somethings have jobs in restaurants, bars, & other businesses that haven’t shut down while us old pre- millennials have all been able to work from home. Yeah.. I've seen courts full of boomers playing pickleball. Hard to blame them when they got a steady diet of 'this is a hoax' until the last week or two. I'm sure someone will be held accountable for that part. /s |
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Post by honeybadger on Mar 29, 2020 13:36:41 GMT -5
Slow your roll there buddy. I’ve seen plenty of 30-50 year old adults out ignoring the stay at home notices too. It’s not just the young people unless the young people include everyone under 65 years old. Difference is a lot of 20somethings have jobs in restaurants, bars, & other businesses that haven’t shut down while us old pre- millennials have all been able to work from home. I am in the 30-50 age group. I have cooked a lot in the last 2 weeks, but we have also done our part to try to keep the restaurants in business by ordering take out or going through a drive through a few times per week too. So we are going out some for that purpose. We also usually bring the kids in the car too just to get them out of the house. So many people are suffering financially so we try to support them as safely as possible as well. Agree there! We have decided as a family to be more local in our dining experiences when this is over. We now do take out locally as much as we can and will dine in more local establishments when this is through. |
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Post by rifle on Mar 29, 2020 21:04:15 GMT -5
This was sent to me by a friend at the CDC... they do not expect it to be over as soon as you're hoping covid19.healthdata.org/That’s chilling. For all those who mention Influenza or H1N1 or some cocktail of medication you never heard of as any part of a discussion about what is happening right now.. I offer this: a global pandemic is serious. Stop trying to process whom to blame and start trying to prevent it from spreading. Pretty please with sugar on top. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 29, 2020 21:50:19 GMT -5
People are stupid and a lot of unsuspecting people will die from it. My understanding with H1N1 is that around 1/6 of the US population [60M) was infected and around 12K died. This won't even be comparable. More people will likely die in NYC alone next month.
I am not expecting tryouts until at least August. There's more important things going on. Be smart, stay alive.
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Post by honeybadger on Mar 30, 2020 9:28:48 GMT -5
I will say this. We live in a chain reaction world. When one school system shuts down because of snow, the other systems close one by one-they don't want to be left out. When the NBA shut down, the other sports followed in a domino effect. The same will happen in reverse. Right now China is getting ready to ramp up the pro basketball league. people will clamor for that on TV. Other leagues will see that. They will not want to be deprived of profit. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with this but imagine a country where basketball is back, pro soccer is back baseball is kicking in, summer football preparation is amping up. NO WAY will soccer clubs allow there 1,000+ members to sit back with nothing to do and no profit to make. To be honest with you, if we are in May, and all of a sudden the statistics show CV19 rates are declining, and sports is now on TV, and businesses are now opening back up, it's going to be really hard for any of us as parents to justify sitting closed in a house and our kids not out with their teammates playing. Again, just stating the psychological aspects of how society works. I may look like a fool come this time in May {my wife reminds me daily that I am:)  } |
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Post by honeybadger on Mar 30, 2020 11:06:51 GMT -5
Yesterday was the first day that the number of new CV19 cases were less than the previous day. That’s good news. A ways to go but I stand by my prediction we will be back to some type of soccer before summer
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 30, 2020 12:54:38 GMT -5
The problem is that there is still interstate travel. New York and New Jersey need to be quarantined. The rest of the country can stay/wait it out, but they are very far from the end of it. Another outbreak will be right around the corner. We have too many Dennis Nedry's...
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Post by mistergrinch on Mar 30, 2020 12:57:12 GMT -5
Yesterday was the first day that the number of new CV19 cases were less than the previous day. That’s good news. A ways to go but I stand by my prediction we will be back to some type of soccer before summer The numbers aren't nearly as high as reality, because we simply can't/won't test everyone. Talk to anyone working in the trenches - they're testing a tiny fraction of those showing symptoms.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 30, 2020 13:38:41 GMT -5
I have friends in their mid-30s in San Diego who have the virus, they were told they won't be tested because they're not in the high-risk group. They're just fighting it at home for the past week.
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Post by soccerlegacy on Mar 30, 2020 13:46:48 GMT -5
The problem is that there is still interstate travel. New York and New Jersey need to be quarantined. The rest of the country can stay/wait it out, but they are very far from the end of it. Another outbreak will be right around the corner. We have too many Dennis Nedry's... Ha! You made me look it up!  Dennis Nedry - was a computer programmer at Jurassic Park and the secondary antagonist of the original Jurassic Park Film. Due to his financial problems and low salary, he accepted a bribe from Biosyn to smuggle dinosaur embryos off the island. |
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Post by soccerdad76 on Mar 30, 2020 13:55:42 GMT -5
US Club just (not surprisingly) extended the suspension through the end of April. Member update alluded to the idea of extending the season into July, if possible.
I do not wish to debate if that will be possible; time will tell. I’m hoping that IF it is possible to re-start in May, that the clubs cancel summer SCCL and “take back” the lost March and April by pushing into summer. Then have tryouts at the end in July.
Lot of ifs 😜
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 30, 2020 14:05:04 GMT -5
The problem is that there is still interstate travel. New York and New Jersey need to be quarantined. The rest of the country can stay/wait it out, but they are very far from the end of it. Another outbreak will be right around the corner. We have too many Dennis Nedry's... Ha! You made me look it up! Dennis Nedry - was a computer programmer at Jurassic Park and the secondary antagonist of the original Jurassic Park Film. Due to his financial problems and low salary, he accepted a bribe from Biosyn to smuggle dinosaur embryos off the island. Nedry was the inevitable/necessary little bit of chaos needed to make everything fall apart. He shut down the electric fences which lead to the dinosaur escapes...all so that he could complete a little financial transaction to cover his ass. It bit him in the butt just like everyone else. One stupid person is all it takes to make it all cascade again. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 30, 2020 14:29:26 GMT -5
The only way Tryouts stay on track is if we go back to some semblance of training/games in May, but that too is predicated on Schools going back. Once schools are back in session, look for the domino effect to kick it. Till then it's No Bueno for Futbol. However, one good thing that may come out of this is maybe us having tryouts in late July just before the season starts, instead of the backwards way of how we do tryouts now in May/June and then two months off and utter surprise when a player you picked 8+ weeks ago just doesn't measure up...
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Post by footyfan on Mar 30, 2020 14:40:55 GMT -5
Pro basketball in China won't happen until earliest May per ESPN, and that assumes the current strict quarantines continue to work and that they can find places to cluster teams to avoid travel: www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28962005/what-nba-learn-china-attempt-restart-basketball-coronavirus-pandemicWhomever you blame, the US is 6-8 weeks behind the China in this pandemic. Even if you base your unrealistic desire to have the kids back on the soccer pitch soon after people start getting jealous watching chinese basketball teams play in empty arenas, that would be May +6-8 weeks. |
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Post by honeybadger on Mar 30, 2020 16:25:45 GMT -5
The good news is since so many have the virus who we don't even know about means the fatality rate is even lower than official numbers. That's a positive.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Mar 30, 2020 17:20:30 GMT -5
Slow your roll there buddy. I’ve seen plenty of 30-50 year old adults out ignoring the stay at home notices too. It’s not just the young people unless the young people include everyone under 65 years old. Difference is a lot of 20somethings have jobs in restaurants, bars, & other businesses that haven’t shut down while us old pre- millennials have all been able to work from home. Yeah.. I've seen courts full of boomers playing pickleball. Hard to blame them when they got a steady diet of 'this is a hoax' until the last week or two. I'm sure someone will be held accountable for that part. /s Not so fast. The person in question never told the people that the virus was a "hoax". He said the media coverage and the opposing party critiques of how it was being handled was a hoax, and for the most part I believe that to be true. The opposing party and media played it up a lot more than if a (D) was in office. www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/ |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 30, 2020 19:03:17 GMT -5
Hey at least he's getting loads and loads of coverage with his daily press briefing, for that we can all collectively be thankful...
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Post by footyfan on Mar 30, 2020 20:48:21 GMT -5
The good news is since so many have the virus who we don't even know about means the fatality rate is even lower than official numbers. That's a positive. Lets hope so! AND that those who have it that we dont know about stop dying. And that we actually count all those who have died due to the virus(see Italy, UK, France) www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/Always click on "yesterday" since there is a lag in the data. |
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