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Post by Keeper on Apr 5, 2020 17:35:14 GMT -5
I've joked about tryouts being carried out later in the summer but personally, I'm not a fan of late June or July tryouts. We've all done Super-Y in the summer and it is brutally hot in Atlanta. Plus as an ongoing habit, we can't have tryouts way too late into the summer since the money grubbing clubs do actually have to plan for coaches, fields, team dynamics and the appropriate infrastructure needed to support said teams. I know these are trying times, but another mother suggested the following: Conducting tryouts in December? We keep teams the way they currently are, unless someone doesn't want to stay with their current team, then they are free to talk with other clubs if there is a spot for them. Following a robust fall season(fingers crossed), we clear off the first week of December to have full-on citywide tryouts. You open up the recruitment period the Friday before thanksgiving all the way through to tryouts. I'll now sit back and listen to your thoughts, agreements, disagreements or alternate ideas... Well I am not a mother but I did suggest this above. Play Fall 2020 as Spring 2020, allow players that want to leave to file for a transfer if they want (especially U15-U19) and then do tryouts in January when the new year starts. Let normal tournaments go though December, and hopefully finish seasons by Dec like a normal Fall season. Tryouts for U9-U14 could be mid January like HS and then U15-19 could be in early May as the HS season ends and BEFORE school let’s out for summer so it doesn't conflict with vacations like it does now. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 5, 2020 18:06:35 GMT -5
I've joked about tryouts being carried out later in the summer but personally, I'm not a fan of late June or July tryouts. We've all done Super-Y in the summer and it is brutally hot in Atlanta. Plus as an ongoing habit, we can't have tryouts way too late into the summer since the money grubbing clubs do actually have to plan for coaches, fields, team dynamics and the appropriate infrastructure needed to support said teams. I know these are trying times, but another mother suggested the following: Conducting tryouts in December? We keep teams the way they currently are, unless someone doesn't want to stay with their current team, then they are free to talk with other clubs if there is a spot for them. Following a robust fall season(fingers crossed), we clear off the first week of December to have full-on citywide tryouts. You open up the recruitment period the Friday before thanksgiving all the way through to tryouts. I'll now sit back and listen to your thoughts, agreements, disagreements or alternate ideas... Well I am not a mother but I did suggest this above. Play Fall 2020 as Spring 2020, allow players that want to leave to file for a transfer if they want (especially U15-U19) and then do tryouts in January when the new year starts. Let normal tournaments go though December, and hopefully finish seasons by Dec like a normal Fall season. Tryouts for U9-U14 could be mid January like HS and then U15-19 could be in early May as the HS season ends and BEFORE school let’s out for summer so it doesn't conflict with vacations like it does now. I don't think this will work at all. First you have the issue of the U19 teams which affects usually about 20-40% of teams with juniors that stay but the rest are seniors and gone. You have the new kids going up to the double age group, the current 03's. So that will mess up the oldest age groups. Then you have the number of kids wanting to move clubs which usually is about 3-4 kids per top team and a similar number on the second team. Then you have the kids that have decided they don't want to play at all anymore. Last year my daughter had two teammates quit all together and another one who wanted to drop down due to wanting less commitment. This year we are aware of two more who wish to drop commitment levels or quit and another with a season ending injury. My point is that each top level team at a club will have to deal with likely 3-5 changes. That trickle down effect is huge. There are new leagues starting too that will change people's preferences. If the clubs are considering this then they would have to actually tell every kid that wanted to change what their plan was for the kids and then let the chips fall. Even in many clubs with multiple younger teams that go from 7v7 to 9v9 or 9v9 to 11v11, how do you propose to address that? Nope. January (or December) won't work IMHO. Too many shifts. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 5, 2020 18:18:34 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with late June evening tryouts. Stay hydrated and try your best. It would actually allow coaches to see work ethic in the heat. We did it my sophomore year (possibly other years also), but it was 90+ in Montgomery in June/July... it was brutal.
Fingers crossed and keep your kid active. This spring may do more to affect players touch than any other time in their lives. Mines juggling confidence has improved tremendously.
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Post by footyfan on Apr 5, 2020 18:48:33 GMT -5
Quick question, what is the history of the school year mandate? When I played club it was birth year. Until 1983, all FIFA member countries were grouped youth by birth year. Then FIFA switched from birth year to school year. Within two years, FIFA changed back to birth year but the U.S. didn't. That said, I have sympathy for kids that just want to play with their school friends. Beau Dure from Soccer America had a decent piece on this in 2018. (https://rantingsoccerdad.com/2018/07/26/repealing-the-birth-year-mandate-and-other-obvious-moves ) In it he argues for just the top leagues (ie DA or ECNL), be birth year mandate. The rest of the leagues and the recreation leagues can keep friends together. Might be a good compromise. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 6, 2020 12:49:00 GMT -5
I've joked about tryouts being carried out later in the summer but personally, I'm not a fan of late June or July tryouts. We've all done Super-Y in the summer and it is brutally hot in Atlanta. Plus as an ongoing habit, we can't have tryouts way too late into the summer since the money grubbing clubs do actually have to plan for coaches, fields, team dynamics and the appropriate infrastructure needed to support said teams. I know these are trying times, but another mother suggested the following: Conducting tryouts in December? We keep teams the way they currently are, unless someone doesn't want to stay with their current team, then they are free to talk with other clubs if there is a spot for them. Following a robust fall season(fingers crossed), we clear off the first week of December to have full-on citywide tryouts. You open up the recruitment period the Friday before thanksgiving all the way through to tryouts. I'll now sit back and listen to your thoughts, agreements, disagreements or alternate ideas... Well I am not a mother but I did suggest this above. Play Fall 2020 as Spring 2020, allow players that want to leave to file for a transfer if they want (especially U15-U19) and then do tryouts in January when the new year starts. Let normal tournaments go though December, and hopefully finish seasons by Dec like a normal Fall season. Tryouts for U9-U14 could be mid January like HS and then U15-19 could be in early May as the HS season ends and BEFORE school let’s out for summer so it doesn't conflict with vacations like it does now. Sorry for the repeat post, but I still think you both have a good idea that is worth exploring a little further. Other than the graduating players, everyone can adjust accordingly... |
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Post by honeybadger on Apr 6, 2020 13:03:53 GMT -5
Well I am not a mother but I did suggest this above. Play Fall 2020 as Spring 2020, allow players that want to leave to file for a transfer if they want (especially U15-U19) and then do tryouts in January when the new year starts. Let normal tournaments go though December, and hopefully finish seasons by Dec like a normal Fall season. Tryouts for U9-U14 could be mid January like HS and then U15-19 could be in early May as the HS season ends and BEFORE school let’s out for summer so it doesn't conflict with vacations like it does now. Sorry for the repeat post, but I still think you both have a good idea that is worth exploring a little further. Other than the graduating players, everyone can adjust accordingly.... I love that idea!!! |
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Post by mistergrinch on Apr 6, 2020 16:02:27 GMT -5
I like the idea - but I think Oracle lays out some good reasons above why it won't work...or would at least be very problematic.
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Post by footyfan on Apr 6, 2020 17:05:58 GMT -5
I like the idea - but I think Oracle lays out some good reasons above why it won't work...or would at least be very problematic. I can imagine if moving the cut-off age for leagues by 3 months has people upset, changing the season end by 5 months might be a problem too. Not to mention, USSF is not usually in "listen mode." |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 7, 2020 14:57:01 GMT -5
Since this seems to be the thread where we're talking about the pandemic the most...
In Georgia, 1500 new cases today (nearly 3x the previous highest documented cases jump) and 100 new deaths...33% of the total deaths up to this point...in one day. If people had taken this seriously for the past 3+ weeks, there might have been a reasonable end in sight, but I figure this is just going to keep on keeping on running through the entire state (and country) for another month or two.
For the country we are over 12K deaths, so this one is definitely worse than the H1N1 crisis.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 7, 2020 15:18:26 GMT -5
Since this seems to be the thread where we're talking about the pandemic the most... In Georgia, 1500 new cases today (nearly 3x the previous highest documented cases jump) and 100 new deaths...33% of the total deaths up to this point...in one day. If people had taken this seriously for the past 3+ weeks, there might have been a reasonable end in sight, but I figure this is just going to keep on keeping on running through the entire state (and country) for another month or two. For the country we are over 12K deaths, so this one is definitely worse than the H1N1 crisis. I agree with you, but don't forget that for the number of cases they have tried to increase testing. Thus far Georgia has not been good about testing so our numbers have been artificially low. I would say that is the case nation wide. In New York they recently said that they are no longer testing all of the people they find dead at home which they were earlier in this process. They only count those dead at home if they had a positive test done prior to dying. This is a serious illness, but if people follow the social distancing guidelines things will improve in a few weeks. I do not think it is bad to go outside and exercise (ride your bike, walk, run, kick a ball around) as long as you are 6 feet away from others. It may be June before they start letting us do more and I expect the releases to normal activity to be done in waves. I am going to be optimistic though because we have seen some improvement in New York with the new cases. Deaths were up there today but that will happen since the deaths will peak after the new cases. Also Italy is seeing some steady improvement with flattening over their curve as well. So I am going to be positive and say that if we are good (not perfect necessarily) we will see improvement enough for some activities by sometime in June. Btw how many on this forum are actually wiping down their groceries? I don't. I just wash my hands after touching the things recently from the store. |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Apr 7, 2020 17:12:46 GMT -5
"They only count those dead at home if they had a positive test done prior to dying."
I'm not sure I believe that. I had heard they were attributing COVID-19 to deaths if they were uncertain of how someone died, whether they had the virus or not. So, in other words if someone died due to a heart attack, if they couldn't immediately rule the death cardiac related, they were including them with the COVID-19 numbers.
Bottom line is at this point I don't think anyone, including the CDC, knows how accurate the numbers actually are. More people have the virus, or have had it than reported, and it's anyone's guess regarding the deaths.
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Post by footyfan on Apr 7, 2020 21:14:46 GMT -5
UK death counts underreported by 80% due to way data was handled/packaged by gov.uk per data from NHS
Though I'd bet the revised numbers in US uptick by less than that once more reliable data come in.
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Post by mistergrinch on Apr 8, 2020 12:04:27 GMT -5
Considering how behind we were/are on testing - the numbers are always going to skew low. Heard through the grapevine from nurses that as of 2 weeks ago, GA was only able to test a few hundred per day.. it's ramped up some now, but I bet they still can't test nearly the amount to get an accurate count.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 8, 2020 12:51:33 GMT -5
What we really need to get moving on is the antibody test. Once we have that available to the public and can determine who is immune (if the tests show that prior infected people are immune) then we can start to determine what policies are appropriate. We will also learn just how many people who were not very symptomatic (or had symptoms prior to the US government even realizing that it was here) and never had testing actually were infected. That would be a real game changer.
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Post by Keeper on Apr 8, 2020 20:52:53 GMT -5
USClub leagues are allowed to run tryouts the first two weeks of May, this has been true for the last couple of years so non Ga Soccer leagues/clubs have always had the option. I'm not really finding support for that. I found Florida and NJ NPL teams that had April [2019] tryouts. Regardless, I'm guessing we won't see tryouts until July at the earliest. BUSA promoting tryout registration now and have already move their dates back from early May to 10th-12th, and later depending on level/age. www.birminghamunited.com/tryouts/ |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 8, 2020 21:34:47 GMT -5
I'm not really finding support for that. I found Florida and NJ NPL teams that had April [2019] tryouts. Regardless, I'm guessing we won't see tryouts until July at the earliest. BUSA promoting tryout registration now and have already move their dates back from early May to 10th-12th, and later depending on level/age. www.birminghamunited.com/tryouts/Interesting. A big bold statement that dates may change due to COVID 19 is at the top of the page. Also don't forget that Alabama is one of the states that has not been aggressive with shelter in place orders. The restrictions appear to be working and the number of new cases is stabilizing. Hopefully we will have tryouts as usual, but it is hard to say how they will let us return to normal... |
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Post by Keeper on Apr 8, 2020 22:48:45 GMT -5
BUSA promoting tryout registration now and have already move their dates back from early May to 10th-12th, and later depending on level/age. www.birminghamunited.com/tryouts/Interesting. A big bold statement that dates may change due to COVID 19 is at the top of the page. Also don't forget that Alabama is one of the states that has not been aggressive with shelter in place orders. The restrictions appear to be working and the number of new cases is stabilizing. Hopefully we will have tryouts as usual, but it is hard to say how they will let us return to normal... Brings up an interesting question, since USClub allows tryouts to begin in May what’s more important to the Atlanta USClub/SCCL clubs, having tryouts then or pushing them back to June as to not takeaway from their May Tournament money. |
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Post by honeybadger on Apr 9, 2020 17:15:30 GMT -5
Good question:)
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Post by soccernoleuk on Apr 9, 2020 19:00:10 GMT -5
My opinion is that, if we are doing anything in May it will be training. I don't believe there will be any Spring season games, unless they decide to delay them until mid-June and into July. I don't think there will be any tournaments.
My thinking is that at some point in May training starts up again. They might reschedule everything so each team has more room and ask coaches to design training so the kids remain apart as much as possible. From there I think tryouts happen sometime in June. My guess is all the clubs get together and try to get 3-4 weeks of training in first so players aren't walking on the field after a couple months off and having to complete a week of tryouts.
Based on info out there today I don't know this is the best option, or how everything will actually happen. It is just how I think everything will turn out.
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