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Jun 8, 2020 9:54:14 GMT -5
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Post by winning on Jun 8, 2020 9:54:14 GMT -5
If you actually read before you spoke you would see that I actually was giving kudos to the girls who are still on the team, not disparaging the GAL SE conference. Only on this forum could a compliment be twisted into an insult, let alone re: an issue that’s a complete non sequitur.🤦🏾♂️ However, you do bring up an interesting topic re: the strength of the GAL SE conference. Re: the ream we’re discussing, the 06s went undefeated against West FL, IMG, United Soccer Alliance and Weston last season by a combined score of 36-3. Not a typo—36 to 🤬 3!!🤯😳 And that’s before you add to the conference NTH’s second team (again, solid team, but it looks REALLY bad when a new conference has to resort to adding a club’s second team in order to fill out its top level of competition) and whatever the heck Wake FC is (wasn’t their highest level for girls at the NPL level last season?🤔). And you don’t even want to do a deep dive into FC Dallas electing to jump ship for ECNL in the 11th hour.😱😱😱 Believe me, the very LAST thing you want to be doing is making an argument re: the strength of the GAL Southeast. Here’s an interesting question - What if all the SE GA and former DA teams were actually better than every ECNL SE team and TH’s scoring differential was based solely on the fact that TH is very, very good with style of play and player development? It’s certainly seems to be reflected in college recruitment when compared to every other SE ECNL club. We can do what if’s all day. What you assert as a hypothetical simply isn’t the case, so your asserted conclusion is moot, as is the Stanfofd/GA etc. point. Believe we’ve all seen more direct play and or mild attempt to build out of the back in both DA and ECNL than a consistent, concerted effort to build out of the back in either league. It’s hard to build out of the back/have the personnel to do it effectively. That’s why most teams don’t do it regardless of the league or conference. |
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Jun 8, 2020 10:47:01 GMT -5
Post by justwatching on Jun 8, 2020 10:47:01 GMT -5
winning if your intention was for your original comment to be a compliment it didn't read that way and after your last post it undoubtedly wasn't with your true underlying intentions being very clear. You do realize Tophat second team at one time was ECNL right? And you have several clubs as the last poster pointed out with a second team in ECNL. However you want to present the goal differential and W/L records of teams it doesn't make the SE ECNL or SE GAL conferences any stronger or weaker then each other. It is what it is they are both on the weaker side of both leagues for overall strength. I don't know what SE ECNL teams get for in season out of conference games but at least those are planned for GAL along with a game against a strong ECNL club. Also looking at Wake FC I would expect them to be at least as good as some local Atlanta ECNL teams. But i wasn't trying to get into a back and forth on SE GAL vs SE ECNL I just thought your post was funny because whether you intended it to be or not it read as a diss to the SE GAL strength. Maybe it was a sideways compliment 🤔 😆 Agree to disagree, justwatching . The original compliment was genuine, as I’ve seen their games from the sides for 2 years now. My comment about records was because you decided to bring up the strength of the 2 conferences, which, in my opinion, is an argument you will lose every time when comparing the two (at least in this age group we’re discussing), as supported by the fact that you had to argue OUT-of-conference schedules to attempt to make your point re: schedule strength. That’s the beauty of the forum, I guess. Reasonable people can engage in lively discussion and ultimately agree to disagree about things like the relative strength of the conferences/leagues, as well as the strength of each SE conference as compared to other conferences within their own respective leagues. Guess I will just have to wait until you play that strong ECNL club you mentioned in your last post and use that as something of a barometer. I’m assuming that is NC Courage, the last team the girls played before COVID-19 changes everything. Post the time and location of that match on here a few days in advance, and I’ll be there to see that heavyweight battle. Again I wasn't adding in out of conference match ups to increase the strength of GA Southeastern conference but it does add to the strength of the overall non-tournament/non-showcase schedule (Proposed Schedule regular season games against top 100 clubs via SoccerWire: SE GA - 8, SE ECNL - 5 (assuming no crossover games). If the proposed schedule is what really happens some of these teams have 8 out of conference (regular season/non-tournament/non-showcase) games against very good clubs. The potential addition of a NC Courage game is also a positive, they are a good club with typically strong teams. So that is a good game to be able to pick up and play. It doesn't matter that they are in ECNL if it happens it is a quality game on the schedule. Any good club whether GA, ECNL, NL, NPL, etc. that can be picked up as a "regular season" game is a positive, no? If you were a club director and there was a good club looking to get a game in would you turn it down because they are not in your same league? No matter what you seem to think about ECNL or GAL, SE ECNL is not a super strong conference (I'm not saying it is bad either) and is very comparable to SE GA so please stop thinking that it is something it is not. There are some good and some bad teams in both conferences. But from an overall strength of schedule the proposed schedule of the SE GA teams does look a little more appealing. Nothing is official though so until actual schedules are posted with dates we can wait to see what the year really looks like. With a new startup league (or any other startup) I wouldn't be surprised to see changes as we get closer to the start of the season. More than anything I just hope all the ECNL teams and GA teams can play in some tournaments against each other. Speculating on paper doesn't do anything but waste people's time reading it and typing it. |
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Jun 8, 2020 11:50:25 GMT -5
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Post by crazzzy4soccer on Jun 8, 2020 11:50:25 GMT -5
Non-TH people, can we let this die? The chips have fallen and TH is in their own world (still), lets leave it at that. This is one of my FAVORITE posts! Why because those who have chosen to stay with TH, have made their decision- it’s silly that’s still being debated if we (not you) made the right decision for (ours not your) child(ren). And again they are children- and I’m more than sure this time next year there will be another dozen or so threads solely about TH. |
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Jun 8, 2020 12:46:11 GMT -5
Post by fridge on Jun 8, 2020 12:46:11 GMT -5
First of all, this is the soccer forum. I love the great input ATLFUBOLDAD provides. However, I would respectfully say if you don't like this thread, stop looking at it. Second, if you truly want the thread to cease, then the TH PR machine needs to stop w/ these ongoing unrealistic responses and accept reality. Indeed, the most recent is that TH will pick up friendly games against ECNL teams like NC Courage. How many friendlies did TH play last year against ECNL teams? Even if either group wanted to play, they play too many games to slip in a freindly. That said, I think it would be nice for the ECNL teams to at least play a one or two GAL games so they learn how to handle a Stanford like game plan.  |
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Post by fridge on Jun 8, 2020 12:55:29 GMT -5
Agree to disagree, justwatching . The original compliment was genuine, as I’ve seen their games from the sides for 2 years now. My comment about records was because you decided to bring up the strength of the 2 conferences, which, in my opinion, is an argument you will lose every time when comparing the two (at least in this age group we’re discussing), as supported by the fact that you had to argue OUT-of-conference schedules to attempt to make your point re: schedule strength. That’s the beauty of the forum, I guess. Reasonable people can engage in lively discussion and ultimately agree to disagree about things like the relative strength of the conferences/leagues, as well as the strength of each SE conference as compared to other conferences within their own respective leagues. Guess I will just have to wait until you play that strong ECNL club you mentioned in your last post and use that as something of a barometer. I’m assuming that is NC Courage, the last team the girls played before COVID-19 changes everything. Post the time and location of that match on here a few days in advance, and I’ll be there to see that heavyweight battle. Again I wasn't adding in out of conference match ups to increase the strength of GA Southeastern conference but it does add to the strength of the overall non-tournament/non-showcase schedule (Proposed Schedule regular season games against top 100 clubs via SoccerWire: SE GA - 8, SE ECNL - 5 (assuming no crossover games). If the proposed schedule is what really happens some of these teams have 8 out of conference (regular season/non-tournament/non-showcase) games against very good clubs. The potential addition of a NC Courage game is also a positive, they are a good club with typically strong teams. So that is a good game to be able to pick up and play. It doesn't matter that they are in ECNL if it happens it is a quality game on the schedule. Any good club whether GA, ECNL, NL, NPL, etc. that can be picked up as a "regular season" game is a positive, no? If you were a club director and there was a good club looking to get a game in would you turn it down because they are not in your same league? No matter what you seem to think about ECNL or GAL, SE ECNL is not a super strong conference (I'm not saying it is bad either) and is very comparable to SE GA so please stop thinking that it is something it is not. There are some good and some bad teams in both conferences. But from an overall strength of schedule the proposed schedule of the SE GA teams does look a little more appealing. Nothing is official though so until actual schedules are posted with dates we can wait to see what the year really looks like. With a new startup league (or any other startup) I wouldn't be surprised to see changes as we get closer to the start of the season. More than anything I just hope all the ECNL teams and GA teams can play in some tournaments against each other. Speculating on paper doesn't do anything but waste people's time reading it and typing it. The main issue you keep ignoring is that your using 2019 rosters to make a 2020 argument--it doesn't work. ECNL has picked up far more talent in converting top DA clubs and top DA talent from GAL clubs. Again, that is the reality. CF when it lost DA had a similar challenge. They got lucky, however, and lost around 8 kids total in ALL the age groups. But yes, they were really good kids and CF did suffer to some degree, but bc it was a couple kids/team, it was not fatal. Losing 5 or 6 starters per team is a completely different story. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 8, 2020 13:03:05 GMT -5
First of all, this is the soccer forum. I love the great input ATLFUBOLDAD provides. However, I would respectfully say if you don't like this thread, stop looking at it. Second, if you truly want the thread to cease, then the TH PR machine needs to stop w/ these ongoing unrealistic responses and accept reality. Indeed, the most recent is that TH will pick up friendly games against ECNL teams like NC Courage. How many friendlies did TH play last year against ECNL teams? Even if either group wanted to play, they play too many games to slip in a freindly. That said, I think it would be nice for the ECNL teams to at least play a one or two GAL games so they learn how to handle a Stanford like game plan. What bothers me about your last few posts is calling parents who post on this forum the "TH PR machine." Why is a TH parent statement any more of a PR statement than any other club? It is not like TG is the one posting these comments on the forum under multiple different aliases. These comments are made by parents just like the rest of the parents on here who defend or deflect or proudly exclaim their feelings on their clubs. As a proud college football fan this sort of argument just reminds me of football conference or even within conference arguments. The debates are all opinions by individuals. They have been informative in some ways and just spewing BS in other ways. There are true rivalries within the soccer community that start at U8. A lot of this posturing is to defend a decision made to stay at NTH, go to another club or go to NTH. Go where your kid will develop and have fun and get whatever exposure you want/need or don't want or need. |
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Jun 8, 2020 13:28:46 GMT -5
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Post by justwatching on Jun 8, 2020 13:28:46 GMT -5
fridgeHopefully Tophat and the ECNL clubs will meet on the field next season. Also 5 or 6 players per team is simply not true.
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Jun 8, 2020 15:10:53 GMT -5
Post by fridge on Jun 8, 2020 15:10:53 GMT -5
I think that would be really cool for them all to play. It was a GREAT rivalry on the field. I think, however, it is highly unlikely given, like I said, there was no DA/ECNL cross over in the past 2 years. So, I am not sure what would change this year.
As for TH losses per team, I have heard 06s had the least amount of losses and 07s had huge losses, but on average it was 5-6 per team.
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Post by fridge on Jun 8, 2020 15:31:55 GMT -5
First of all, this is the soccer forum. I love the great input ATLFUBOLDAD provides. However, I would respectfully say if you don't like this thread, stop looking at it. Second, if you truly want the thread to cease, then the TH PR machine needs to stop w/ these ongoing unrealistic responses and accept reality. Indeed, the most recent is that TH will pick up friendly games against ECNL teams like NC Courage. How many friendlies did TH play last year against ECNL teams? Even if either group wanted to play, they play too many games to slip in a freindly. That said, I think it would be nice for the ECNL teams to at least play a one or two GAL games so they learn how to handle a Stanford like game plan. What bothers me about your last few posts is calling parents who post on this forum the "TH PR machine." Why is a TH parent statement any more of a PR statement than any other club? It is not like TG is the one posting these comments on the forum under multiple different aliases. These comments are made by parents just like the rest of the parents on here who defend or deflect or proudly exclaim their feelings on their clubs. As a proud college football fan this sort of argument just reminds me of football conference or even within conference arguments. The debates are all opinions by individuals. They have been informative in some ways and just spewing BS in other ways. There are true rivalries within the soccer community that start at U8. A lot of this posturing is to defend a decision made to stay at NTH, go to another club or go to NTH. Go where your kid will develop and have fun and get whatever exposure you want/need or don't want or need. That's a fair argument. I would respectfully say, however, that a solid amount of info on here espoused by TH people over the past few weeks (and frankly, over the years) is either completely ignorant or purposeful misinformation. And, let's be honest, it was to steer kids to stay at TH. TH was NEVER in the running for two ECNL teams. I nicely said that was BS at the time and got shouted down. They were literally begging for one team and will spend the next year no matter what they say privately lobbying to rejoin ECNL. Further, as the rosters have been released and folks are understandably concerned by the significant loss of players and exposure, the new talking point is "well, we will play lots of ECNL teams in friendlies." That one also is wishful thinking to a very very large degree given, again, there has been no local DA/ECNL crossover w/ TH in the past few years. So, I think it is fair to call out the PR machine bc people read and want to believe what they say--and I agree you are NOT part of the PR machine. |
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Post by winning on Jun 8, 2020 18:28:17 GMT -5
Again I wasn't adding in out of conference match ups to increase the strength of GA Southeastern conference but it does add to the strength of the overall non-tournament/non-showcase schedule (Proposed Schedule regular season games against top 100 clubs via SoccerWire: SE GA - 8, SE ECNL - 5 (assuming no crossover games). If the proposed schedule is what really happens some of these teams have 8 out of conference (regular season/non-tournament/non-showcase) games against very good clubs. The potential addition of a NC Courage game is also a positive, they are a good club with typically strong teams. So that is a good game to be able to pick up and play. It doesn't matter that they are in ECNL if it happens it is a quality game on the schedule. Any good club whether GA, ECNL, NL, NPL, etc. that can be picked up as a "regular season" game is a positive, no? If you were a club director and there was a good club looking to get a game in would you turn it down because they are not in your same league? No matter what you seem to think about ECNL or GAL, SE ECNL is not a super strong conference (I'm not saying it is bad either) and is very comparable to SE GA so please stop thinking that it is something it is not. There are some good and some bad teams in both conferences. But from an overall strength of schedule the proposed schedule of the SE GA teams does look a little more appealing. Nothing is official though so until actual schedules are posted with dates we can wait to see what the year really looks like. With a new startup league (or any other startup) I wouldn't be surprised to see changes as we get closer to the start of the season. More than anything I just hope all the ECNL teams and GA teams can play in some tournaments against each other. Speculating on paper doesn't do anything but waste people's time reading it and typing it. The main issue you keep ignoring is that your using 2019 rosters to make a 2020 argument--it doesn't work. ECNL has picked up far more talent in converting top DA clubs and top DA talent from GAL clubs. Again, that is the reality. CF when it lost DA had a similar challenge. They got lucky, however, and lost around 8 kids total in ALL the age groups. But yes, they were really good kids and CF did suffer to some degree, but bc it was a couple kids/team, it was not fatal. Losing 5 or 6 starters per team is a completely different story. Exactly, fridge. Not only have you had this exodus of top players from DA to ECNL, that trend is likely to continue as more ECNL offers are made to GA clubs in the future just like with FC Dallas. Justwatching, that talent drain will simply continue. That’s why citing the top 100 list for your out of conference strength of schedule is simply laughable. Those DA squads aren’t the same teams anymore. I mean, do you really think Tophat is still #1 on that list after what just happened this tryout season?🤣😂🤣 Yeah, maybe the SE isn’t the strongest in ECNL (was never my argument by the way—just that it is was way stronger than SE GAL), but the SE is clearly the weakest in all of GA, and it’s not even close. |
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Post by dadofthree on Jun 8, 2020 19:51:45 GMT -5
While I no longer have a daughter at TH I think it is really easy to say that GA is going to fail when in reality no one knows. When DA started everyone was like ECNL is dead now its just the opposite. We will need to see if ECNL can be a front runner. There are a number of questions they will have to answer or folks will move back to GA including are they able to have elite competetion when they have as many clubs as they have and how do they to get all the teams to showcases and will college coaches be able to go to all of them, will they have to qualify certain showcases for better competetion if they do that what happens to the bottom teams in these cases and a number more. People seem to forget that 66 clubs with the majority of them deemed to be the top by US Soccer (as evidenced by them being DA clubs) make up GA and because of that it isnt going anywhere. It will have good competetion and college coaches will go see it.
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Post by justwatching on Jun 8, 2020 22:52:26 GMT -5
winningA couple things... Again 5 or 6 leaving per team isn't true. 07s definetly took a big hit though. This comment..."the new talking point is "well, we will play lots of ECNL teams in friendlies..." I have never heard that talking point made personally from parents, TH as a club, or written in this forum anywhere. Most TH parents that I know of that want to play ECNL teams during the season is simply to shut them up by beating them not in order to get more competition. I for one hope TH top teams get a chance to play the local ECNL teams in tournaments to see how things really look rather than speculating. I know crossover events/friendlies won't happen for the most part. I think there are only a few club's/teams that would actually be OK setting these games up. The top 100 list I'm sure has winning somewhere in its criteria for ranking clubs but the list is of the top 100 clubs based on a lot of different factors. I would be surprised if the quality of the training, style of play, club philosophy, player development, college placement, YNT placement, etc. were not some of them. All of those factors have not changed with the changing of the league. If those clubs were the top in the country at developing high level soccer players and the staff has not dramatically changed or philosophy hasn't been altered nothing has changed as a club. If you were with a club for development three months ago and they were doing a great job then chances are they will still do a great good and be a top club in the country.
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Post by winning on Jun 9, 2020 22:47:54 GMT -5
winningA couple things... Again 5 or 6 leaving per team isn't true. 07s definetly took a big hit though. This comment..."the new talking point is "well, we will play lots of ECNL teams in friendlies..." I have never heard that talking point made personally from parents, TH as a club, or written in this forum anywhere. Most TH parents that I know of that want to play ECNL teams during the season is simply to shut them up by beating them not in order to get more competition. I for one hope TH top teams get a chance to play the local ECNL teams in tournaments to see how things really look rather than speculating. I know crossover events/friendlies won't happen for the most part. I think there are only a few club's/teams that would actually be OK setting these games up. The top 100 list I'm sure has winning somewhere in its criteria for ranking clubs but the list is of the top 100 clubs based on a lot of different factors. I would be blown away if the quality of the training, style of play, club philosophy, player development, college placement, YNT placement, etc. were not some of them. All of those factors have not changed with the changing of the league. If those clubs were the top in the country at developing high level soccer players and the staff has not dramatically changed or philosophy hasn't been altered nothing has changed as a club. If you were with a club for development three months ago and they were doing a great job then chances are they will still do a great good and be a top club in the country. @just watching 1. I never said anything about 6 or 7 people leaving every team. 2. I never said that what you cited was the NTH new talking point (although I have to admit that YOU keep talking a LOT about this and actually were the first person to mention a comparison of the 2 leagues. I’m just up to the challenge). Seriously, are you feeling okay? You seem off your game. Regardless, I do agree that a good way to shut either you or me up is to see a top ECNL team duke it out with a top GA squad. To that end, as previously requested (you still haven’t agreed to do this), once you have the date, time & location of the 06 Tophat GA Gold match vs. NC Courage, please post the info on the forum, preferably as a new thread and days in advance. I trust Tophat will be the best in the SE, and I imagine that Courage will be in the top 3 in the Mid-Atlantic. I know it’s only a friendly and neither an actual out-of-conference match with implications on either team’s records nor likely to be a battle of two #1s at the time, but I’ll take it. 3. Nice try but the flaw in your argument is that you presuppose that the “quality of the training, style of play, club philosophy, player development, college placement and YNT placement” will remain the same in light of the exodus of top players 04 and younger. Sure, the club philosophy and player development should stay the same, but I submit to you that every single other aspect that you listed will undoubtedly be adversely impacted by the loss of so many of the best players on their respective teams. H@ll, those Tophat strengths you quote above are LARGELY dependent on having girls with exceptional soccer abilities (i.e., the better players on those teams), and if you subscribe to the position that your better players have better soccer skills and are able to employ those skills better than other players of the same age (I think most people would agree with that position, as that’s kinda how pretty much ALL sports work), then those other aspects will without question take a nosedive next season and probably in seasons to follow. At this point, Justwatching, I tire of this discussion. You’re losing arguments left and right and have been reduced to bringing up new ones and then inexplicably falsely attributing them to me (e.g., see 1 and 2 above). Whether you want to give it to me or not, I’m TAKING the win! Now on this ECNL v. GA debate, what we need is empirical evidence. Again, since we’ve been speaking about 1 team in particular, post the game specifics when you get them so we can put the matter to bed (well, kinda, since it will only be 1 game). We can pick this up again the Monday that immediately follows. Until then... tmp.gif |
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Post by soccerrealist2019 on Jun 9, 2020 22:58:15 GMT -5
winningA couple things... Again 5 or 6 leaving per team isn't true. 07s definetly took a big hit though. This comment..."the new talking point is "well, we will play lots of ECNL teams in friendlies..." I have never heard that talking point made personally from parents, TH as a club, or written in this forum anywhere. Most TH parents that I know of that want to play ECNL teams during the season is simply to shut them up by beating them not in order to get more competition. I for one hope TH top teams get a chance to play the local ECNL teams in tournaments to see how things really look rather than speculating. I know crossover events/friendlies won't happen for the most part. I think there are only a few club's/teams that would actually be OK setting these games up. The top 100 list I'm sure has winning somewhere in its criteria for ranking clubs but the list is of the top 100 clubs based on a lot of different factors. I would be blown away if the quality of the training, style of play, club philosophy, player development, college placement, YNT placement, etc. were not some of them. All of those factors have not changed with the changing of the league. If those clubs were the top in the country at developing high level soccer players and the staff has not dramatically changed or philosophy hasn't been altered nothing has changed as a club. If you were with a club for development three months ago and they were doing a great job then chances are they will still do a great good and be a top club in the country. @just watching 1. I never said anything about 6 or 7 people leaving every team. 2. I never said that what you cited was the NTH new talking point (although I have to admit that YOU keep talking a LOT about this and actually were the first person to mention a comparison of the 2 leagues. I’m just up to the challenge). Seriously, are you feeling okay? You seem off your game. Regardless, I do agree that a good way to shut either you or me up is to see a top ECNL team duke it out with a top GA squad. To that end, as previously requested (you still haven’t agreed to do this), once you have the date, time & location of the 06 Tophat GA Gold match vs. NC Courage, please post the info on the forum, preferably as a new thread and days in advance. I trust Tophat will be the best in the SE, and I imagine that Courage will be in the top 3 in the Mid-Atlantic. I know it’s only a friendly and neither an actual out-of-conference match with implications on either team’s records nor likely to be a battle of two #1s at the time, but I’ll take it. 3. Nice try but the flaw in your argument is that you presuppose that the “quality of the training, style of play, club philosophy, player development, college placement and YNT placement” will remain the same in light of the exodus of top players 04 and younger. Sure, the club philosophy and player development should stay the same, but I submit to you that every single other aspect that you listed will undoubtedly be adversely impacted by the loss of so many of the best players on their respective teams. H@ll, those Tophat strengths you quote above are LARGELY dependent on having girls with exceptional soccer abilities (i.e., the better players on those teams), and if you subscribe to the position that your better players have better soccer skills and are able to employ those skills better than other players of the same age (I think most people would agree with that position, as that’s kinda how pretty much ALL sports work), then those other aspects will without question take a nosedive next season and probably in seasons to follow. At this point, Justwatching, I tire of this discussion. You’re losing arguments left and right and have been reduced to bringing up new ones and then inexplicably falsely attributing them to me (e.g., see 1 and 2 above). Whether you want to give it to me or not, I’m TAKING the win! Now on this ECNL v. GA debate, what we need is empirical evidence. Again, since we’ve been speaking about 1 team in particular, post the game specifics when you get them so we can put the matter to bed (well, kinda, since it will only be 1 game). We can pick this up again the Monday that immediately follows. Until then... tmp.gif TKO!!!!! Somebody get the fight doctor. Better yet get a priest. Time to perform last rites. RIP justwatching 😥 |
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Jun 10, 2020 0:54:14 GMT -5
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Post by justwatching on Jun 10, 2020 0:54:14 GMT -5
winning and soccerrealist sounds like you two need to go on a date and get a room so you can pat eachothers backs some more:). winning I think I got you and fridge or someone else mixed up with the comment on the number of players per team that left. winning But I'm not sure what argument you think you won. You have said nothing on here that takes away from Tophat or any other GA club. Being the loudest around or attempting to change my words doesn't mean you win the argument. People who stayed aren't trying to justify to themselves that there are at least good out of conference ganes or friendlies with ECNL teams. People stayed because they see value in Tophat or those other GA clubs they play for right now. Tophat was a top club and still is. The GA clubs who were previous DA clubs are likely also still good clubs that colleges will recruit from. If you were a college recruiter and your top recruits came from Tophat or any other top GA club do you stop going to see them play? Of course not. SE ECNL is still SE ECNL, typically ok. Thone teams are probably slightly stronger with the addition of some Tophat players. But i do question with those new players do those clubs all of a sudden become good at developing them or change their club style of play and club philosophy? I doubt it. They might just pick up a few more wins because of the additions. I would expect for some of those former Tophat players to have a much different experience. With Tophat losing some players some of the successes that they had over in guessing the last 10 years (well before getting DA or ECNL) might be affected some in the immediacy but not for long. They are still who they are. I am very familiar with the clubs in the area and from what i have seen Tophat does the best job of technical development of any club in Atlanta and because that's independent of who comes to play I suspect that will not change with whatever numbers of kids that left. The only way to really settle this is to have the teams play or try to make inferences from new college signings and YNT invites over the next few years. I think I do agree with you on one thing that this argument is over. I will take Proverbs advice and tap out of this one. Don't answer the foolish arguments of fools, or you will become as foolish as they are... I don't want you to rub off on me so argument is over 🤣
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 10, 2020 6:14:13 GMT -5
I have a question....NTH development gets brought up a lot. Its no secret that NTH recruits a LOT, so with that thought in mind.
Of the players that left NTH, how many were developed there and how many were transplants from another club already?
I have no clue how many kids have left, I only know of a few and they were all transplants, but I did hear an interesting story from a parent.
Rumor has it that a NTH player left for CF and one of her old NTH teammates "guilted" her into coming back and not to leave the team..blah blah blah (the CF team was full). Anyway the player told CF nevermind and went back to NTH. Well thats all great however, the friend that guilted her into coming back then called CF and took the spot, that team is now full again.
And yes I know it wasn't the player but the parents that called the club
As far as friendly games against NTH, Troy had never wanted to do them before. It will be interesting if he has eaten some humble pie and changed his mind or if he is still walking around thinking he's better than everyone else.
Will TH still be strong? Only time will tell. I do think they will have no problem in the GAL (yes I will continue calling it GAL because GA reads Georgia to me)
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Post by liverpoolfc on Jun 10, 2020 7:45:12 GMT -5
why all these parents begging for a friendly with TopHat? Just stop already Tophat isn't in your league... hahah
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Post by mistergrinch on Jun 10, 2020 9:03:33 GMT -5
This thread delivers.
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Jun 10, 2020 10:34:45 GMT -5
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Post by dadofthree on Jun 10, 2020 10:34:45 GMT -5
why all these parents begging for a friendly with TopHat? Just stop already Tophat isn't in your league... hahah Whats great about this post is no matter what side you are on your right. TH supporter everyone is below you.....everyone elses supporters now that TH has lost DA they are no good and they are so far beneath us why would we play them. |
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Jun 10, 2020 17:47:26 GMT -5
Post by liverpoolfc on Jun 10, 2020 17:47:26 GMT -5
hahaha you know TH will always deliver...
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Post by winning on Jun 10, 2020 20:49:37 GMT -5
winning and soccerrealist sounds like you two need to go on a date and get a room so you can pat eachothers backs some more:). winning I think I got you and fridge or someone else mixed up with the comment on the number of players per team that left. winning But I'm not sure what argument you think you won. You have said nothing on here that takes away from Tophat or any other GA club. Being the loudest around or attempting to change my words doesn't mean you win the argument. People who stayed aren't trying to justify to themselves that there are at least good out of conference ganes or friendlies with ECNL teams. People stayed because they see value in Tophat or those other GA clubs they play for right now. Tophat was a top club and still is. The GA clubs who were previous DA clubs are likely also still good clubs that colleges will recruit from. If you were a college recruiter and your top recruits came from Tophat or any other top GA club do you stop going to see them play? Of course not. SE ECNL is still SE ECNL, typically ok. Thone teams are probably slightly stronger with the addition of some Tophat players. But i do question with those new players do those clubs all of a sudden become good at developing them or change their club style of play and club philosophy? I doubt it. They might just pick up a few more wins because of the additions. I would expect for some of those former Tophat players to have a much different experience. With Tophat losing some players some of the successes that they had over in guessing the last 10 years (well before getting DA or ECNL) might be affected some in the immediacy but not for long. They are still who they are. I am very familiar with the clubs in the area and from what i have seen Tophat does the best job of technical development of any club in Atlanta and because that's independent of who comes to play I suspect that will not change with whatever numbers of kids that left. The only way to really settle this is to have the teams play or try to make inferences from new college signings and YNT invites over the next few years. I think I do agree with you on one thing that this argument is over. I will take Proverbs advice and tap out of this one. Don't answer the foolish arguments of fools, or you will become as foolish as they are... I don't want you to rub off on me so argument is over 🤣 Soccerrealist seems to know when the fight is over and who the victor is. Good on you, soccerealist! Justwatching, I’ve led you to the water of truth. If you don’t want to drink it, that’s entirely on you. Don’t say I didn’t warn you though. |
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Post by winning on Jun 10, 2020 20:51:00 GMT -5
hahaha you know TH will always deliver... Now THAT’S the best joke I’ve heard all day.😂🤣😂🤣😂 |
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Post by insideinfo on Jun 10, 2020 22:00:47 GMT -5
This thread is comical, and an attempt at NTH to stay relevant.
There is no such thing as bad publicity
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Jun 10, 2020 23:03:31 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerphreak on Jun 10, 2020 23:03:31 GMT -5
[quote author=" SoccerMom" source="/post/49479/thread" I did hear an interesting story from a parent. Rumor has it that a NTH player left for CF and one of her old NTH teammates "guilted" her into coming back and not to leave the team..blah blah blah (the CF team was full). Anyway the player told CF nevermind and went back to NTH. Well thats all great however, the friend that guilted her into coming back then called CF and took the spot, that team is now full again. And yes I know it wasn't the player but the parents that called the club Let me shed some light on what really happened as that story is not entirely true. The top girls on that team were being heavily recruited by various ECNL teams and one had committed to a club and then rescinded after speaking with Troy. This was a decision made by her family for the sake of the oldest player at TH, not because another parent or player had convinced them otherwise. Two other players at the same time who also tried out decided to stay at TH based on similar conversations with TG and promises that were supposedly made. During this time, some of the parents got wind of the mini private tryout sessions at UFA and Cf and got nervous and butthurt as they didnt get on the special list. The parent's of those players that didn't get "the call" had banded together and tried to keep the rest of the team intact because they knew many of the players would not crack the CF or UFA lineup and were very concerned about the future of that great TH team. They worked hard and put some vodka in that koolaid they were serving because they convinced many of them to stay. Dont get me wrong a few of those girls would have made any team but their parents believed in the Tophat brand and encouraged their players and others to stay.Good for them. TG was clueless and didnt realize that the dynamic of that team was very unstable and many of them didn't get along or even played well together throughout the season so imagine his surprise when his key players made the "it's me, not you" call. He was oblivious to what was going on because he didn't have a relationship with his team and never made an attempt to really get to know his players. Shame on him. He is part of the reason that team fell apart. Moving along. The final roster came out at TH and the lies started coming to surface. Parents were initially told that the talent that was coming to the team was far better than the players who had left and "rutrow" that caused panic because the fact was that 2 players were actually being moved up from DPL and two came from another club because they had been dropped to their 2nd team. Not quite the superstars they were expecting so naturally momma bear who was initially part of the "stay train" moved her cub to another club and asked the ECNL coach to reconsider her player so she left. Good for her and shame on anyone else who felt duped by her actions. It is our job to do was is best for our players and if anyone felt duped, then they clearly didn't do what was in their child's best interest. The one thing I have learned in soccer is trust no one, listen to your player and do what is best for them, not what is best for others. |
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Post by ultimatedad on Jun 11, 2020 3:08:19 GMT -5
Wow what a great life lesson. That's how we all should be. Giant ......you fill out the rest.
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Post by insideinfo on Jun 11, 2020 6:23:28 GMT -5
[quote author=" SoccerMom" source="/post/49479/thread" I did hear an interesting story from a parent. Rumor has it that a NTH player left for CF and one of her old NTH teammates "guilted" her into coming back and not to leave the team..blah blah blah (the CF team was full). Anyway the player told CF nevermind and went back to NTH. Well thats all great however, the friend that guilted her into coming back then called CF and took the spot, that team is now full again. And yes I know it wasn't the player but the parents that called the club Let me shed some light on what really happened as that story is not entirely true. The top girls on that team were being heavily recruited by various ECNL teams and one had committed to a club and then rescinded after speaking with Troy. This was a decision made by her family for the sake of the oldest player at TH, not because another parent or player had convinced them otherwise. Two other players at the same time who also tried out decided to stay at TH based on similar conversations with TG and promises that were supposedly made. During this time, some of the parents got wind of the mini private tryout sessions at UFA and Cf and got nervous and butthurt as they didnt get on the special list. The parent's of those players that didn't get "the call" had banded together and tried to keep the rest of the team intact because they knew many of the players would not crack the CF or UFA lineup and were very concerned about the future of that great TH team. They worked hard and put some vodka in that koolaid they were serving because they convinced many of them to stay. Dont get me wrong a few of those girls would have made any team but their parents believed in the Tophat brand and encouraged their players and others to stay.Good for them. TG was clueless and didnt realize that the dynamic of that team was very unstable and many of them didn't get along or even played well together throughout the season so imagine his surprise when his key players made the "it's me, not you" call. He was oblivious to what was going on because he didn't have a relationship with his team and never made an attempt to really get to know his players. Shame on him. He is part of the reason that team fell apart. Moving along. The final roster came out at TH and the lies started coming to surface. Parents were initially told that the talent that was coming to the team was far better than the players who had left and "rutrow" that caused panic because the fact was that 2 players were actually being moved up from DPL and two came from another club because they had been dropped to their 2nd team. Not quite the superstars they were expecting so naturally momma bear who was initially part of the "stay train" moved her cub to another club and asked the ECNL coach to reconsider her player so she left. Good for her and shame on anyone else who felt duped by her actions. It is our job to do was is best for our players and if anyone felt duped, then they clearly didn't do what was in their child's best interest. The one thing I have learned in soccer is trust no one, listen to your player and do what is best for them, not what is best for others. So you think your version makes it sound better? It boils down to the same thing, you just took longer to get there. Good luck at Concorde |
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Post by liverpoolfc on Jun 11, 2020 7:18:15 GMT -5
This thread is comical, and an attempt at NTH to stay relevant. There is no such thing as bad publicity I wonder why NTH name kept been named on every thread...jajajaja NTH is always relevant..want a prove? just look at all the thread on here and do yourself a favor don't count how many times TH name was mentioned or else night will catch up on you.. enjoy your weekend. |
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Post by ball2futbol on Jun 11, 2020 7:46:11 GMT -5
This entire thread is more entertaining than an full season of Dynasty (circa 80's)! I will say, the last paragraph or so was spot on especially the very last two sentences! The TH drain wasn't as deep as expected with the exception of the 07's but from what I've seen and heard it was fairly selective as it relates to CF! Reality is they didn't need to raid the pantry to tip the scales. Looking forward to the season!
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Post by oldgasoccer on Jun 11, 2020 7:52:13 GMT -5
Funny thing about the TH 07's.....the top team is now made up of mostly NTH North girls. That group actually beat the group of girls that left 4-1 in a tournament final after losing 3-0 earlier. The 07's still have a bunch of talent and should not be slept on.
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Post by fridge on Jun 11, 2020 9:04:31 GMT -5
[quote author=" SoccerMom " source="/post/49479/thread" I did hear an interesting story from a parent. Rumor has it that a NTH player left for CF and one of her old NTH teammates "guilted" her into coming back and not to leave the team..blah blah blah (the CF team was full). Anyway the player told CF nevermind and went back to NTH. Well thats all great however, the friend that guilted her into coming back then called CF and took the spot, that team is now full again. And yes I know it wasn't the player but the parents that called the club Let me shed some light on what really happened as that story is not entirely true. The top girls on that team were being heavily recruited by various ECNL teams and one had committed to a club and then rescinded after speaking with Troy. This was a decision made by her family for the sake of the oldest player at TH, not because another parent or player had convinced them otherwise. Two other players at the same time who also tried out decided to stay at TH based on similar conversations with TG and promises that were supposedly made. During this time, some of the parents got wind of the mini private tryout sessions at UFA and Cf and got nervous and butthurt as they didnt get on the special list. The parent's of those players that didn't get "the call" had banded together and tried to keep the rest of the team intact because they knew many of the players would not crack the CF or UFA lineup and were very concerned about the future of that great TH team. They worked hard and put some vodka in that koolaid they were serving because they convinced many of them to stay. Dont get me wrong a few of those girls would have made any team but their parents believed in the Tophat brand and encouraged their players and others to stay.Good for them. TG was clueless and didnt realize that the dynamic of that team was very unstable and many of them didn't get along or even played well together throughout the season so imagine his surprise when his key players made the "it's me, not you" call. He was oblivious to what was going on because he didn't have a relationship with his team and never made an attempt to really get to know his players. Shame on him. He is part of the reason that team fell apart. Moving along. The final roster came out at TH and the lies started coming to surface. Parents were initially told that the talent that was coming to the team was far better than the players who had left and "rutrow" that caused panic because the fact was that 2 players were actually being moved up from DPL and two came from another club because they had been dropped to their 2nd team. Not quite the superstars they were expecting so naturally momma bear who was initially part of the "stay train" moved her cub to another club and asked the ECNL coach to reconsider her player so she left. Good for her and shame on anyone else who felt duped by her actions. It is our job to do was is best for our players and if anyone felt duped, then they clearly didn't do what was in their child's best interest. The one thing I have learned in soccer is trust no one, listen to your player and do what is best for them, not what is best for others. And so, this insider confirms the TH PR machine that spills misinformation to the detriment of kids who unfortunately relied on it: We are negotiating for two ECNL teams; GAL will be the best league as we will play teams like FC Dallas; TH brand is what the college coaches trust not the league/competition; GAL will play a Stanford brand of soccer; We won't lose any girls; We may lose a couple, but we have better girls coming in; We will be playing ECNL teams, etc. Look at this thread, these are all in there! Just so no one is surprised, the next one will be, "Don't worry, we will get ECNL next year." |
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