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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 18, 2020 16:59:52 GMT -5
Hopefully the kids will see a lesson in this, don't burn bridges on your way out the door.
They will definitely lose some top players to ECNL clubs. If they don't get ECNL next year, it'll be tough to get top talent without offering full rides.
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Post by oldboy on Apr 18, 2020 17:31:32 GMT -5
coffee In my opinion Tophat does a much better job at focusing on a possession style of soccer where comfort on the ball is very important and movement off of the ball is also important. They do this more than other clubs I have seen in Atlanta. Tophat also is a club that has an overarching defined style of play from U8 through U19. They play this way from the top team to the 5th team and beyond. I cannot pick another club in the city that does this.. We are many years away from the last time this statement was true. It was true for the academy age groups when Ted basically coached the entire academy when Buckhead was the club. Ted had a style and the academy played that way and he typically kept one or two older teams and so they also played that way. At this point with Ted limited to only the academy age groups and only having marginal oversight of the branch locations, it is really hit or miss what you get from a Tophat team. Troy’s style has never been Ted’s style either. So there’s that. The DA teams are generally the sum of the individual parts and don’t have a defined style other than “We have the best players.” That’s Troy’s style. What was the DA doesn’t reflect Ted to a great degree, especially at the oldest age groups. Even in the academy, they’ve shifted to much more of an all-star team recruitment based approach recently rather than the “we out train everybody else” approach that defined them for so long. I don’t mean any of that as a diss of an sort. Club’s change, especially when they expand as quickly as the merger forced Tophat to do. The team’s are good however they end up on the field together. If they end up shut out of ECNL they will suffer a massive talent drain. That’s just the nature of the top level and player and parent preferences for league affiliations. This thing goes in cycles. One club gets on top for awhile, then another takes their place. Nothing new under the sun in any of this.
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Apr 18, 2020 19:13:54 GMT -5
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 18, 2020 19:13:54 GMT -5
It's super easy to play good possession passing soccer when everyone on the team is very skilled. The girls that come for other clubs and make the top 2-3 teams would match that statement. They're only going to take a few raw athletes with only pretty good ball-handling skills. I'm sure they develop many of their own also.
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Post by oldtrafford on Apr 19, 2020 10:49:29 GMT -5
while i completely get some of the nth hate, it's a little early to start talking about the downfall of their girl's program.
the reality is they have the most consistent high-level training / curriculum of any club in town. yes there are always exceptions. santos, inter, etc etc have developed some great kids and have quality coaches here and there. this is about consistency of product though. if you're arguing nth isn't the best in town there in recent years, that's based more on the (valid) reasons you don't like them than for actual soccer reasons.
leaving nth over the loss of DA shouldn't be a given either. if you're a hs aged girl with a real scholarship chance at nth, ok, leaving makes some sense. the showcases are important. u14 (maybe u15) and under though, nth will be back in an elite league sooner than later. you're better off staying-from coaching to competition/depth of who you train with and against.
having said all of that, it's a big positive for ga soccer to have some of the nth talent spread across the city. more quality players and more clubs benefits everyone.
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Post by justwatching on Apr 19, 2020 11:30:22 GMT -5
I agree with that, just because Tophat lost DA does not automatically mean kids need to leave. Tophat will still be an elite program where colleges seek players from. Tophat will need a plan and parents and players will need a little patience.
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Post by onekickpop on Apr 19, 2020 11:30:25 GMT -5
It’s unfortunate that as parents some appear so invested and in some cases interested in the demise of a strong program. I can guarantee you that these TH girls just want to play the sport they love. Watch them play, watch their communication on the field, and watch the respect they have for their coaches and the program. I am sure these kids are devastated but it will all work out for them in the end.
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Post by crazzzy4soccer on Apr 19, 2020 11:37:30 GMT -5
It’s unfortunate that as parents some appear so invested and in some cases interested in the demise of a strong program. I can guarantee you that these TH girls just want to play the sport they love. Watch them play, watch their communication on the field, and watch the respect they have for their coaches and the program. I am sure these kids are devastated but it will all work out for them in the end. Thank you! As a TH parent this is stressful- our girls love their team and the idea of separating is not making them or us parents happy! It’s crazy all this ugliness wishing TH to fall apart without realizing its about the kids. Politics-club drama whatever at the end these girls love the sport, love their team and are proud to wear the HATTERS name. A bunch of adults happy kids be displaced over adult pettiness- is RIDICULOUS!
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 19, 2020 15:36:50 GMT -5
I’ve said it - the right thing to do since this about kids is let them in ECNL. It’s good for everyone involved.
I’ll blame one organization and one organization only: The US Soccer Federation - it’s utterly embarrassing what they have done over the past 4 years with girls soccer. They played bully and came across like the mafia. april heinrich And Miriam Hickey tried to pull off the great con and should be in jail.
Someone said (maybe on here) that April Heinrich was coaching in ecnl now...
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Post by sanesoccerdad on Apr 19, 2020 17:32:28 GMT -5
It’s unfortunate that as parents some appear so invested and in some cases interested in the demise of a strong program. I can guarantee you that these TH girls just want to play the sport they love. Watch them play, watch their communication on the field, and watch the respect they have for their coaches and the program. I am sure these kids are devastated but it will all work out for them in the end. Thank you! As a TH parent this is stressful- our girls love their team and the idea of separating is not making them or us parents happy! It’s crazy all this ugliness wishing TH to fall apart without realizing its about the kids. Politics-club drama whatever at the end these girls love the sport, love their team and are proud to wear the HATTERS name. A bunch of adults happy kids be displaced over adult pettiness- is RIDICULOUS! Haters gonna hate, so I'm not surprised some non-TH parents are enjoying the perceived schadenfreude. But, no one has to let them be right. I feel really bad for your child (and her teammates) if they are all happy as you say and their parents are making them leave their team because "DA" or "ECNL" isn't in the description. Nothing says people have to quit TH just because they aren't in the "top" league anymore.
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Apr 19, 2020 19:56:02 GMT -5
Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 19, 2020 19:56:02 GMT -5
Thank you! As a TH parent this is stressful- our girls love their team and the idea of separating is not making them or us parents happy! It’s crazy all this ugliness wishing TH to fall apart without realizing its about the kids. Politics-club drama whatever at the end these girls love the sport, love their team and are proud to wear the HATTERS name. A bunch of adults happy kids be displaced over adult pettiness- is RIDICULOUS! Haters gonna hate, so I'm not surprised some non-TH parents are enjoying the perceived schadenfreude. But, no one has to let them be right. I feel really bad for your child (and her teammates) if they are all happy as you say and their parents are making them leave their team because "DA" or "ECNL" isn't in the description. Nothing says people have to quit TH just because they aren't in the "top" league anymore. Exactly. I REALLY hate it for the players at Tophat. I have friends whose kids have been or are currently at TH and I feel for them. I've also heard alot of praise from TH parents on this forum talking about how the TH program and the coaches are compared to others in the ATL. So, if you are at TH now and feel this is truly the best club for development, it shouldn't matter what patch is on the jersey. Their jersey will still be a Hatters jersey. Are TH parents opinions on this changing now?
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Apr 19, 2020 20:13:19 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 19, 2020 20:13:19 GMT -5
Haters gonna hate, so I'm not surprised some non-TH parents are enjoying the perceived schadenfreude. But, no one has to let them be right. I feel really bad for your child (and her teammates) if they are all happy as you say and their parents are making them leave their team because "DA" or "ECNL" isn't in the description. Nothing says people have to quit TH just because they aren't in the "top" league anymore. Exactly. I REALLY hate it for the players at Tophat. I have friends whose kids have been or are currently at TH and I feel for them. I've also heard alot of praise from TH parents on this forum talking about how the TH program and the coaches are compared to others in the ATL. So, if you are at TH now and feel this is truly the best club for development, it shouldn't matter what patch is on the jersey. Their jersey will still be a Hatters jersey. Are TH parents opinions on this changing now? Heard that most are choosing to stay U15 and up. Hard to know whether that is fact or posturing. Only time will tell.
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Apr 19, 2020 20:14:48 GMT -5
Haters gonna hate, so I'm not surprised some non-TH parents are enjoying the perceived schadenfreude. But, no one has to let them be right. I feel really bad for your child (and her teammates) if they are all happy as you say and their parents are making them leave their team because "DA" or "ECNL" isn't in the description. Nothing says people have to quit TH just because they aren't in the "top" league anymore. Exactly. I REALLY hate it for the players at Tophat. I have friends whose kids have been or are currently at TH and I feel for them. I've also heard alot of praise from TH parents on this forum talking about how the TH program and the coaches are compared to others in the ATL. So, if you are at TH now and feel this is truly the best club for development, it shouldn't matter what patch is on the jersey. Their jersey will still be a Hatters jersey. Are TH parents opinions on this changing now? My daughters is an 03 Rising Jr. If the opportunity is still there to be seen by lower D1 higher D2 schools we are staying put. She has had the opportunity to practice with some great D1 goalies and some great goalie coaches and there is no reason to leave. I HOPE
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Apr 19, 2020 20:26:11 GMT -5
Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 19, 2020 20:26:11 GMT -5
Exactly. I REALLY hate it for the players at Tophat. I have friends whose kids have been or are currently at TH and I feel for them. I've also heard alot of praise from TH parents on this forum talking about how the TH program and the coaches are compared to others in the ATL. So, if you are at TH now and feel this is truly the best club for development, it shouldn't matter what patch is on the jersey. Their jersey will still be a Hatters jersey. Are TH parents opinions on this changing now? My daughters is an 03 Rising Jr. If the opportunity is still there to be seen by lower D1 higher D2 schools we are staying put. She has had the opportunity to practice with some great D1 goalies and some great goalie coaches and there is no reason to leave. I HOPE I've heard great things about the goalie coaching/coaches! If I were in your shoes and that was the case I would stay for sure. Players CAN (and do) get signed to D1 and D2 schools without playing in ECNL or DA, even though the constant hyperbole tell you that is not the case. Does TH and her coach/coaches do a good job of promoting your daughter to colleges? Have they tlaked to you, guided you, or shown you what you need to meet your daughters goals? Asking for a friend
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Apr 19, 2020 20:36:36 GMT -5
My daughters is an 03 Rising Jr. If the opportunity is still there to be seen by lower D1 higher D2 schools we are staying put. She has had the opportunity to practice with some great D1 goalies and some great goalie coaches and there is no reason to leave. I HOPE I've heard great things about the goalie coaching/coaches! If I were in your shoes and that was the case I would stay for sure. Players CAN (and do) get signed to D1 and D2 schools without playing in ECNL or DA, even though the constant hyperbole tell you that is not the case. Does TH and her coach/coaches do a good job of promoting your daughter to colleges? Have they tlaked to you, guided you, or shown you what you need to meet your daughters goals? Asking for a friend I have to say I am biased when it comes to Ron A at Tophat. He has been key in giving her the opportunity to practice with the DA goalies even though she doesn't play DA and has guided my daughter and myself in opportunities for her to look at. He has even made call for us for the national team and other colleges (Not the USA national team but another country). IMO I think he cares more about my daughters improvement and development then her goals against average and is always open to talk. I am positive we have other people on this forum that would agree with me.
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Apr 19, 2020 21:01:15 GMT -5
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Post by coffee on Apr 19, 2020 21:01:15 GMT -5
The goalkeeping training hasn’t been that good at all Tophat locations: quality and quantity. I’ve had to take that into my own hands, and seek other sources.
That one aspect is a sore spot for me that you just reminded me of. My niece trains with DPL and DA, and from their reports it’s been exceptional.
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Apr 19, 2020 21:13:33 GMT -5
Post by blu on Apr 19, 2020 21:13:33 GMT -5
Will Tophat retain all their coaches?
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Apr 19, 2020 21:21:35 GMT -5
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Post by atlfooty on Apr 19, 2020 21:21:35 GMT -5
Will Tophat retain all their coaches? Who does TH even have as coaches? TG JG KH I don’t think DPL coaches are even the great. Who are they?
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Apr 19, 2020 21:27:14 GMT -5
Will Tophat retain all their coaches? Who does TH even have as coaches? TG JG KH I don’t think DPL coaches are even the great. Who are they? Bill Urban did the 01/02 DPL Girls The remaining teams we're coaches by Eddie Hernandez. Heard great things about both
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Apr 19, 2020 21:43:31 GMT -5
Post by blu on Apr 19, 2020 21:43:31 GMT -5
They must have really made ECNL mad because Nasa already has ECNL for the boys, seems like adding them for the girls is a no brainer.
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Apr 19, 2020 22:02:44 GMT -5
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Post by dadofthree on Apr 19, 2020 22:02:44 GMT -5
Who does TH even have as coaches? TG JG KH I don’t think DPL coaches are even the great. Who are they? Bill Urban did the 01/02 DPL Girls The remaining teams we're coaches by Eddie Hernandez. Heard great things about both They are both great coaches. EH just got his B license which allowed him to to do GDA coaching and is working on his A. The girls love both.
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NTH
Apr 20, 2020 6:26:24 GMT -5
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Post by atv on Apr 20, 2020 6:26:24 GMT -5
The new Girls Academy League (GAL) tier of the DPL, TopHat will be playing in, appears to have teams speckled around the country in Florida, California, Texas. This sounds like an absolute nightmare. It may be fine for some .... enjoy! However, I’m sure glad we’re not playing in it based solely on the perceived travel.
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Apr 20, 2020 7:34:35 GMT -5
Post by Strikeorkeep on Apr 20, 2020 7:34:35 GMT -5
I've heard great things about the goalie coaching/coaches! If I were in your shoes and that was the case I would stay for sure. Players CAN (and do) get signed to D1 and D2 schools without playing in ECNL or DA, even though the constant hyperbole tell you that is not the case. Does TH and her coach/coaches do a good job of promoting your daughter to colleges? Have they tlaked to you, guided you, or shown you what you need to meet your daughters goals? Asking for a friend I have to say I am biased when it comes to Ron A at Tophat. He has been key in giving her the opportunity to practice with the DA goalies even though she doesn't play DA and has guided my daughter and myself in opportunities for her to look at. He has even made call for us for the national team and other colleges (Not the USA national team but another country). IMO I think he cares more about my daughters improvement and development then her goals against average and is always open to talk. I am positive we have other people on this forum that would agree with me. Ron and Bruster are awesome but I think Tophat really misses Kim B and Ashley B. Those 2 were really great GK coaches and had great rapport with the girls IMO. I know a few GKs left when they lost ECNL and Kim B tihs summer.
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Post by OTPSoccer on Apr 20, 2020 8:58:57 GMT -5
Will Tophat retain all their coaches? Who does TH even have as coaches? TG JG KH I don’t think DPL coaches are even the great. Who are they? Why would you say that their DPL coaches aren't that great, then ask who they are? I don't even have a girl soccer player, so no dog in the hunt. But that's a pretty weak post. Zero credibility.
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Post by mistergrinch on Apr 20, 2020 9:27:31 GMT -5
What is there to be jealous of? I do not see any championships cups shining from there from the past few years. What do you have to tote so much about??? You have the #1 spot, this month, from soccer wire for being top club to develop girls, that's about it. Not hating just stating facts. Agree with @soccermaxx72, you leadership needs to take a step back and reevaluate. Their college signee list.
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Apr 20, 2020 13:31:40 GMT -5
Post by Lady Soccer Whistledown on Apr 20, 2020 13:31:40 GMT -5
What is there to be jealous of? I do not see any championships cups shining from there from the past few years. What do you have to tote so much about??? You have the #1 spot, this month, from soccer wire for being top club to develop girls, that's about it. Not hating just stating facts. Agree with @soccermaxx72, you leadership needs to take a step back and reevaluate. Their college signee list.
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Apr 20, 2020 13:39:37 GMT -5
Post by Lady Soccer Whistledown on Apr 20, 2020 13:39:37 GMT -5
Hate to burst your bubble, but majority of the girls on the college signee list was committed BEFORE they went to Tophat. Correct me if I am wrong, didn't TH make the proclamation that they would not be contacting coaches on behest of players anymore? They are riding the coat tails of girls that were committed way before they even got there.
USC -prior Concorde Virginia Tech - Prior Concorde Florida State - Prior Concorde Cal Berkeley - Prior Concorde Vanderbilt - Prior Concorde
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Post by ultimatedad on Apr 20, 2020 13:42:34 GMT -5
Why did all those girls jump if CF brought them so much success? Honest question.
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Post by gtc on Apr 20, 2020 13:59:53 GMT -5
Why did all those girls jump if CF brought them so much success? Honest question. Because US Soccer told them they had to play DA in order to have any chance at the National Team. Those girls didn't want to risk having no shot at the National Teams just because they played ECNL. Also, check out CF's list of 2020 college signees...Notre Dame (2), Stanford, Vanderbilt, VA Tech (2), UGA (2), Clemson, Tennessee, (2) Furman, Mercer, Miami, etc. Both TH and CF do an excellent job of placing talent in college.
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Apr 20, 2020 14:21:36 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 20, 2020 14:21:36 GMT -5
Why did all those girls jump if CF brought them so much success? Honest question. Because US Soccer told them they had to play DA in order to have any chance at the National Team. Those girls didn't want to risk having no shot at the National Teams just because they played ECNL. Also, check out CF's list of 2020 college signees...Notre Dame (2), Stanford, Vanderbilt, VA Tech (2), UGA (2), Clemson, Tennessee, (2) Furman, Mercer, Miami, etc. Both TH and CF do an excellent job of placing talent in college. I don't really think the distinction here is that Concorde doesn't have a good signed list. They do. As for the committed before switching clubs there are plenty that did switch after commitment but plenty that did not. Don't forget that there are kids that committed before the new recruiting rules that are just freshmen and sophomores now that are committed to places like UNC and Vanderbilt. Both Concorde and Tophat have large numbers of kids that go to great D1 programs. It is the rest of the clubs that fall behind for the girls side. All of the rest of the big 6 have a handful of kids going to power 5 conferences year to year but rare to have more than 3 or 4 in one year unlike NTH and Concorde.
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Apr 20, 2020 14:35:10 GMT -5
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Post by ultimatedad on Apr 20, 2020 14:35:10 GMT -5
How do the colleges know so early who they want? Recruiting Freshman and sophomores?
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