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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Apr 20, 2020 14:42:01 GMT -5
Have any Tophat DA parents received an email or call since last week email?
The rumors are we are not getting ECNL/other rumors is a final decision hasn't been made/TG is negotiating 2 ECNL teams. Does anybody have an idea? After talking to my Daughter it sounds like we are staying pat with NTH but would like to get some answers. Of course things can change depending on coaches moving but it sounds like the coaches we like are staying pat
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Post by mistergrinch on Apr 20, 2020 14:53:29 GMT -5
Have any Tophat DA parents received an email or call since last week email? The rumors are we are not getting ECNL/other rumors is a final decision hasn't been made/TG is negotiating 2 ECNL teams. Does anybody have an idea? After talking to my Daughter it sounds like we are staying pat with NTH but would like to get some answers. Of course things can change depending on coaches moving but it sounds like the coaches we like are staying pat There's another thread with all kinds of info. New league (kind of an A league above DPL) with a bunch of the former DA clubs that didn't get ECNL |
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Post by interestedobserver on Apr 20, 2020 14:56:34 GMT -5
quite a conundrum for NTH....
if i'm not mistaken - dont a few of the coaches and, more importantly, board members have daughters that play DA at NTH? could present an interesting scenario for them should they allow their daughter(s) play ECNL for another club all the while spewing what they are planning is better.....hmmm....
should my daughter re-up at NTH and then i find out that the coaches daughter/board members decide it is best for their daughters to play ECNL - then NTH will have to answer to some blatant misrepresentation/fraud/conflict of interest inquiries....hope their D&O policies are current.
as they say - follow the money......in this instance follow the players
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Apr 20, 2020 15:20:25 GMT -5
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Post by shaka on Apr 20, 2020 15:20:25 GMT -5
quite a conundrum for NTH.... if i'm not mistaken - dont a few of the coaches and, more importantly, board members have daughters that play DA at NTH? could present an interesting scenario for them should they allow their daughter(s) play ECNL for another club all the while spewing what they are planning is better.....hmmm.... should my daughter re-up at NTH and then i find out that the coaches daughter/board members decide it is best for their daughters to play ECNL - then NTH will have to answer to some blatant misrepresentation/fraud/conflict of interest inquiries....hope their D&O policies are current. as they say - follow the money......in this instance follow the players I only know of one current board member who has a daughter playing at NTH - was playing DA. Not aware of any coaches |
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Post by fridge on Apr 20, 2020 15:26:17 GMT -5
Have any Tophat DA parents received an email or call since last week email? The rumors are we are not getting ECNL/other rumors is a final decision hasn't been made/TG is negotiating 2 ECNL teams. Does anybody have an idea? After talking to my Daughter it sounds like we are staying pat with NTH but would like to get some answers. Of course things can change depending on coaches moving but it sounds like the coaches we like are staying pat Read my post in the thread "better get your popcorn". There is NO WAY TH is holding up any announcement because they are trying to get "two teams." I heard from two very reliable sources they were told NO last week. I figured they would announce it by now. I guess they want to have a plan in place as to what they are doing before an announcement. Here is what they will say: -we are going to a new league and it will be just as competitive w/ many DA teams (partially true as there will be some good clubs in the new league, but those DA teams will lose lots of kids to ECNL and not to mention many major DA clubs left DA for ECNL in the last 30 days) -TH has a great name and regardless of league or competition, colleges will come to us (partially true--but the competition will not be as good and TH will have some leakage on players under 11th grade) -colleges love TH training, they will rather you train w/ TH then play elite competition (a departure when w/ DA they emphasized how important it is to be at the highest level of competition) -National Team wants the national team kids to stay w/ TH (this is contrary to federation wanting their kids to play elte competition) -don't worry, we will get ECNL next year (hmmm, what do they see changing next year? Add a 6th team to a cluttered Ga ECNL mis?) |
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Apr 20, 2020 15:47:23 GMT -5
Have any Tophat DA parents received an email or call since last week email? The rumors are we are not getting ECNL/other rumors is a final decision hasn't been made/TG is negotiating 2 ECNL teams. Does anybody have an idea? After talking to my Daughter it sounds like we are staying pat with NTH but would like to get some answers. Of course things can change depending on coaches moving but it sounds like the coaches we like are staying pat Read my post in the thread "better get your popcorn". There is NO WAY TH is holding up any announcement because they are trying to get "two teams." I heard from two very reliable sources they were told NO last week. I figured they would announce it by now. I guess they want to have a plan in place as to what they are doing before an announcement. Here is what they will say: -we are going to a new league and it will be just as competitive w/ many DA teams (partially true as there will be some good clubs in the new league, but those DA teams will lose lots of kids to ECNL and not to mention many major DA clubs left DA for ECNL in the last 30 days) -TH has a great name and regardless of league or competition, colleges will come to us (partially true--but the competition will not be as good and TH will have some leakage on players under 11th grade) -colleges love TH training, they will rather you train w/ TH then play elite competition (a departure when w/ DA they emphasized how important it is to be at the highest level of competition) -National Team wants the national team kids to stay w/ TH (this is contrary to federation wanting their kids to play elte competition) -don't worry, we will get ECNL next year (hmmm, what do they see changing next year? Add a 6th team to a cluttered Ga ECNL mis?) Fridge I appreciate your answer but I don't go based on what sources our saying. My sources are saying they are still in negotiations. That is the reason why I am asking for a parent of a current DA player to answer the question. If I went by sources on this forum my daughter would be playing lacrosse. Until I see something from TG or Tophat itself I guess we are still not in the know |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 20, 2020 16:20:32 GMT -5
Fridge I appreciate your answer but I don't go based on what sources our saying. My sources are saying they are still in negotiations. That is the reason why I am asking for a parent of a current DA player to answer the question. If I went by sources on this forum my daughter would be playing lacrosse. Until I see something from TG or Tophat itself I guess we are still not in the know And that is exactly my one true issue with NTH or any other club for that matter. You have to communicate with your customer base. TG sent a limited response out [April 15, 2020 at 10:34:59 PM EDT]. In there he said and i'm quoting [More info to come in the next 24-48 hours]. For those without a calendar before them, that was last Wednesday nite. Last I checked, your customer base is not only limited to the current GDA players. What about older girls who have younger sisters at the clubs? That is the one thing in my mind that is absolutely unforgivable, the lack of communication by a club and its leadership. Parents have to make real-world decisions for their girl(s) and you want them to make informed decisions. Even if you don't have a plan yet or are working on one, let them know with a simple update. Email and press releases through social media make this as simple as ever... 🙄🙄🙄 |
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Post by mistercalcio on Apr 20, 2020 16:28:23 GMT -5
[/quote]And that is exactly my one true issue with NTH or any other club for that matter. You have to communicate with your customer base. TG sent a limited response out [April 15, 2020 at 10:34:59 PM EDT]. In there he said and i'm quoting [More info to come in the next 24-48 hours]. For those without a calendar before them, that was last Wednesday nite. Last I checked, your customer base is not only limited to the current GDA players. What about older girls who have younger sisters at the clubs? That is the one thing in my mind that is absolutely unforgivable, the lack of communication by a club and its leadership. Parents have to make real-world decisions for their girl(s) and you want them to make informed decisions. Even if you don't have a plan yet or are working on one, let them know with a simple update. Email and press releases through social media make this as simple as ever... 🙄🙄🙄 [/quote]
So well said. The lack of or consistent LONG delays between communications is my biggest pet peeve with the clubs I’ve experienced over the years. Unfortunately this theme seems to be prevalent throughout our GA Soccer community. Part of being a leader is keeping your clients/consumers/players/families/whatever you want to call them informed - especially when something as drastic as this is going on (in addition to a worldwide pandemic). Sometimes letting people know there is still no concrete information to give is better than simply being silent. Leaders lead.
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Apr 20, 2020 16:52:16 GMT -5
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Post by shaka on Apr 20, 2020 16:52:16 GMT -5
Fridge I appreciate your answer but I don't go based on what sources our saying. My sources are saying they are still in negotiations. That is the reason why I am asking for a parent of a current DA player to answer the question. If I went by sources on this forum my daughter would be playing lacrosse. Until I see something from TG or Tophat itself I guess we are still not in the know And that is exactly my one true issue with NTH or any other club for that matter. You have to communicate with your customer base. TG sent a limited response out [April 15, 2020 at 10:34:59 PM EDT]. In there he said and i'm quoting [More info to come in the next 24-48 hours]. For those without a calendar before them, that was last Wednesday nite. Last I checked, your customer base is not only limited to the current GDA players. What about older girls who have younger sisters at the clubs? That is the one thing in my mind that is absolutely unforgivable, the lack of communication by a club and its leadership. Parents have to make real-world decisions for their girl(s) and you want them to make informed decisions. Even if you don't have a plan yet or are working on one, let them know with a simple update. Email and press releases through social media make this as simple as ever... 🙄🙄🙄 Well said FG. Is there anything close to a consensus regarding a club in this area whose leadership does communicate well? I’m not talking about coaches but directors, upper management. My experience with one big 5 club was bad and with another big 5 club being really bad |
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Post by Soccerphreak on Apr 20, 2020 20:56:46 GMT -5
TH is not getting ECNL. PERIOD!!! All of the local clubs know it too. For those of you who are naive and waiting for TH to tell you the truth, you are wasting your time because the other clubs in the GAL league are using THs name to sell the GAL to THEIR players and parents. Doesn't sound like a club that is still negotiating to me. TH was already given an answer and it's not the same answer they communicated. Just saying.
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Apr 20, 2020 21:49:28 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerphreak on Apr 20, 2020 21:49:28 GMT -5
quite a conundrum for NTH.... if i'm not mistaken - dont a few of the coaches and, more importantly, board members have daughters that play DA at NTH? could present an interesting scenario for them should they allow their daughter(s) play ECNL for another club all the while spewing what they are planning is better.....hmmm.... should my daughter re-up at NTH and then i find out that the coaches daughter/board members decide it is best for their daughters to play ECNL - then NTH will have to answer to some blatant misrepresentation/fraud/conflict of interest inquiries....hope their D&O policies are current. as they say - follow the money......in this instance follow the players Spill the beans! You have clearly heard something, otherwise this wouldnt be on your radar? 😆 Ohhh hold up TH is still negotiating ECNL so a TH parent who is also on the board would never think of actually moving their kid to another club right? Nahhh you're just thinking out loud right? 😉 |
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Apr 20, 2020 22:57:33 GMT -5
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 20, 2020 22:57:33 GMT -5
Read my post in the thread "better get your popcorn". There is NO WAY TH is holding up any announcement because they are trying to get "two teams." I heard from two very reliable sources they were told NO last week. I figured they would announce it by now. I guess they want to have a plan in place as to what they are doing before an announcement. Here is what they will say: -we are going to a new league and it will be just as competitive w/ many DA teams (partially true as there will be some good clubs in the new league, but those DA teams will lose lots of kids to ECNL and not to mention many major DA clubs left DA for ECNL in the last 30 days) -TH has a great name and regardless of league or competition, colleges will come to us (partially true--but the competition will not be as good and TH will have some leakage on players under 11th grade) -colleges love TH training, they will rather you train w/ TH then play elite competition (a departure when w/ DA they emphasized how important it is to be at the highest level of competition) -National Team wants the national team kids to stay w/ TH (this is contrary to federation wanting their kids to play elte competition) -don't worry, we will get ECNL next year (hmmm, what do they see changing next year? Add a 6th team to a cluttered Ga ECNL mis?) Fridge I appreciate your answer but I don't go based on what sources our saying. My sources are saying they are still in negotiations. That is the reason why I am asking for a parent of a current DA player to answer the question. If I went by sources on this forum my daughter would be playing lacrosse. Until I see something from TG or Tophat itself I guess we are still not in the know TG had a meeting with all GDA parents/players Saturday night |
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Apr 21, 2020 6:27:33 GMT -5
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Apr 21, 2020 6:27:33 GMT -5
Fridge I appreciate your answer but I don't go based on what sources our saying. My sources are saying they are still in negotiations. That is the reason why I am asking for a parent of a current DA player to answer the question. If I went by sources on this forum my daughter would be playing lacrosse. Until I see something from TG or Tophat itself I guess we are still not in the know TG had a meeting with all GDA parents/players Saturday night Would love to know what was said. Unfortunately my daughter doesn't play DA so we we have to wait until everyone else knows before we can find out what is going on. It is sad that a player and a paying parent of Tophat have to wait til everyone else knows to find out. I guess the money you pump into the club doesn't allow you a seat at the table. All I know if something is not said this week maybe I should persuade my daughter to go elsewhere. Anybody need an 03 DPL level goalie? |
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 21, 2020 6:36:03 GMT -5
TG had a meeting with all GDA parents/players Saturday night Would love to know what was said. Unfortunately my daughter doesn't play DA so we we have to wait until everyone else knows before we can find out what is going on. It is sad that a player and a paying parent of Tophat have to wait til everyone else knows to find out. I guess the money you pump into the club doesn't allow you a seat at the table. All I know if something is not said this week maybe I should persuade my daughter to go elsewhere. Anybody need an 03 DPL level goalie? You didn't miss much from what I heard. They don't have ECNL, they will do GAL (the new league). He made up an ECNL tentative schedule in a spreadsheet in case things change. He is selling the new GAL league as a great league, but also said he would drop them like a hotcake if ECNL came knocking. So in summary, he is not saying anything and not admitting to anything. He is just hoping people will stick around and ride it out |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 21, 2020 7:46:38 GMT -5
Not to put you on the spot, but more because you've been around the game long enough. soccermom playing devil's advocate here, so I believe your daughter is all wrapped up for college, but knowing what you know and this being a year ago and you were in the same situation as many of these NTH families currently are, what would you do? Stay for your daughter's final year or go someplace else? What if you were two years out from an offer? |
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Post by fridge on Apr 21, 2020 7:59:43 GMT -5
Not to put you on the spot, but more because you've been around the game long enough. soccermom playing devil's advocate here, so I believe your daughter is all wrapped up for college, but knowing what you know and this being a year ago and you were in the same situation as many of these NTH families currently are, what would you do? Stay for your daughter's final year or go someplace else? What if you were two years out from an offer? If you don't mind, I'd like to comment on this. If I had a daughter on TH who was a rising senior already committed, I would stay. She knows her teammates and will enjoy practice. I assume training is good and so, she will get to train w good speed of play and good coaching. Although the league won't be super competitive, there are good clubs and so, there will be some good games--especially at showcases. I think the key is for the player to enjoy her last year and continue her love of the game heading into college. Jumping to a foreign environment is unnecessary. I would opine differently for kids 10th grade and under. (Citing TH's own PR over the past years about the importance of playing in the best league against the best competition which was true.) I think 11th graders are right in the middle and they just need to balance things out. |
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Apr 21, 2020 8:01:54 GMT -5
Not to put you on the spot, but more because you've been around the game long enough. soccermom playing devil's advocate here, so I believe your daughter is all wrapped up for college, but knowing what you know and this being a year ago and you were in the same situation as many of these NTH families currently are, what would you do? Stay for your daughter's final year or go someplace else? What if you were two years out from an offer? Great question. We are entering our very important JR year. We are on some schools radar but we can't reach out to them until June 15 and by that time tryouts would be over. Would love to get opinions from people in the know and people that went through this |
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Post by atv on Apr 21, 2020 8:12:25 GMT -5
... I think the post coronavirus era comes into play here. IMO, weighing the opportunity cost of travel, money, and time makes it a much easier decision. We would leave. Given there are no other teams in this league in GA and closest league games will probably be FL and TX!
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Post by soccergurl on Apr 21, 2020 8:20:31 GMT -5
Not to put you on the spot, but more because you've been around the game long enough. soccermom playing devil's advocate here, so I believe your daughter is all wrapped up for college, but knowing what you know and this being a year ago and you were in the same situation as many of these NTH families currently are, what would you do? Stay for your daughter's final year or go someplace else? What if you were two years out from an offer? me I leave the club if i no get scholarship yet me no like the new league because of travel far and because they no gurantee stay in business if US no have money were new league get money dpl his not real league |
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Post by Strikeorkeep on Apr 21, 2020 8:29:40 GMT -5
Not to put you on the spot, but more because you've been around the game long enough. soccermom playing devil's advocate here, so I believe your daughter is all wrapped up for college, but knowing what you know and this being a year ago and you were in the same situation as many of these NTH families currently are, what would you do? Stay for your daughter's final year or go someplace else? What if you were two years out from an offer? Great question. We are entering our very important JR year. We are on some schools radar but we can't reach out to them until June 15 and by that time tryouts would be over. Would love to get opinions from people in the know and people that went through this I think it depends on the schools that you are looking at and/or interested in your kid. To some schools, it wont matter that TH isnt playing ECNL due to their reputation. Also have to consider if the current DA GK at your age group leaves, does your daughter move up? Or do they bring someone else in? Perhaps questions to ask current coach? |
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Apr 21, 2020 8:29:43 GMT -5
Post by interestedobserver on Apr 21, 2020 8:29:43 GMT -5
17 hours ago interestedobserver said:
quite a conundrum for NTH....
if i'm not mistaken - dont a few of the coaches and, more importantly, board members have daughters that play DA at NTH? could present an interesting scenario for them should they allow their daughter(s) play ECNL for another club all the while spewing what they are planning is better.....hmmm....
should my daughter re-up at NTH and then i find out that the coaches daughter/board members decide it is best for their daughters to play ECNL - then NTH will have to answer to some blatant misrepresentation/fraud/conflict of interest inquiries....hope their D&O policies are current.
as they say - follow the money......in this instance follow the players
Spill the beans! You have clearly heard something, otherwise this wouldnt be on your radar? 😆 Ohhh hold up TH is still negotiating ECNL so a TH parent who is also on the board would never think of actually moving their kid to another club right? Nahhh you're just thinking out loud right? 😉
NO BEANS TO SPILL..........just pointing out things that others may need to start thinking about.....the arrogance at NTH at the top of the coaching tree is very well documented....it will be interesting to see how far up this goes up at the board level.....if the DA player(s) with parents involved at the board or coaching indeed leave the club - then it will become crystal clear.....
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Apr 21, 2020 8:47:29 GMT -5
Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 21, 2020 8:47:29 GMT -5
Great question. We are entering our very important JR year. We are on some schools radar but we can't reach out to them until June 15 and by that time tryouts would be over. Would love to get opinions from people in the know and people that went through this I think it depends on the schools that you are looking at and/or interested in your kid. To some schools, it wont matter that TH isnt playing ECNL due to their reputation. Also have to consider if the current DA GK at your age group leaves, does your daughter move up? Or do they bring someone else in? Perhaps questions to ask current coach? I feel for the position you were put in. It sucks that people can't rely on USSF that caused this problem in the first place. That said, it will be an interesting case study to see if college coaches truly think you HAVE to play in the top league to get a D1 scholarship or if that has just been this crazy accusation that parents have built up in their own minds and spread around to others. I've always been of the belief that you don't have to play ECNL or DA to get a D1 scholarship. It will be interesting to see if this is correct. |
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Post by Keeper on Apr 21, 2020 10:06:38 GMT -5
Not to put you on the spot, but more because you've been around the game long enough. soccermom playing devil's advocate here, so I believe your daughter is all wrapped up for college, but knowing what you know and this being a year ago and you were in the same situation as many of these NTH families currently are, what would you do? Stay for your daughter's final year or go someplace else? What if you were two years out from an offer? Great question. We are entering our very important JR year. We are on some schools radar but we can't reach out to them until June 15 and by that time tryouts would be over. Would love to get opinions from people in the know and people that went through this Just FYI, you don’t have to wait til June 15th to reach out to schools. This is actually a great time to email coaches to get more on their radar and they can start putting together a profile on your player. Essentially you can start recruiting them they just can’t recruit you til June 15th. |
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Apr 21, 2020 10:38:56 GMT -5
Great question. We are entering our very important JR year. We are on some schools radar but we can't reach out to them until June 15 and by that time tryouts would be over. Would love to get opinions from people in the know and people that went through this Just FYI, you don’t have to wait til June 15th to reach out to schools. This is actually a great time to email coaches to get more on their radar and they can start putting together a profile on your player. Essentially you can start recruiting them they just can’t recruit you til June 15th. Jumpjumpkeep30. We have been doing that thankfully and her goalie coach has mention her to a couple of colleges also. The only negative is that we have to wait till the 15 to see if their was true interest or not. I think their is but I always side on the no interest until we truly hear from the coach. We have talked to NAIA schools and they have told us of their interest, hopefully it will be the same with NCAA schools, but till then we will do what you recommend. |
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Post by ne1btunc on Apr 21, 2020 12:07:08 GMT -5
Quick question related to TH but not to this topic exactly. What league does their top 08 Girls team play in? Thanks in advance.
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Post by Keeper on Apr 21, 2020 12:15:57 GMT -5
Just FYI, you don’t have to wait til June 15th to reach out to schools. This is actually a great time to email coaches to get more on their radar and they can start putting together a profile on your player. Essentially you can start recruiting them they just can’t recruit you til June 15th. Jumpjumpkeep30. We have been doing that thankfully and her goalie coach has mention her to a couple of colleges also. The only negative is that we have to wait till the 15 to see if their was true interest or not. I think their is but I always side on the no interest until we truly hear from the coach. We have talked to NAIA schools and they have told us of their interest, hopefully it will be the same with NCAA schools, but till then we will do what you recommend. Sounds good! Just wanted to make sure people in our boat (I have an 03 Rising senior though) that is in the same boat and I’ve been on her weekly about making sure she’s stays in touch with the coaches she’s interested in. |
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Post by Keeper on Apr 21, 2020 12:22:04 GMT -5
Quick question related to TH but not to this topic exactly. What league does their top 08 Girls team play in? Thanks in advance. Top 08 teams from North/NASA and Milton played this past year in the top SCCL league. Not sure where the top TH/Buckhead group played or if they were second teamers. |
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Post by soccergurl on Apr 21, 2020 12:22:34 GMT -5
Quick question related to TH but not to this topic exactly. What league does their top 08 Girls team play in? Thanks in advance. my child he no play in the league the hole year he play only th scrimage and the big tournamen in other state |
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Post by dadofthree on Apr 21, 2020 12:39:26 GMT -5
Jumpjumpkeep30. We have been doing that thankfully and her goalie coach has mention her to a couple of colleges also. The only negative is that we have to wait till the 15 to see if their was true interest or not. I think their is but I always side on the no interest until we truly hear from the coach. We have talked to NAIA schools and they have told us of their interest, hopefully it will be the same with NCAA schools, but till then we will do what you recommend. Sounds good! Just wanted to make sure people in our boat (I have an 03 Rising senior though) that is in the same boat and I’ve been on her weekly about making sure she’s stays in touch with the coaches she’s interested in. One thing to keep in mind as well is that D2 schools can talk earlier. I think it is May 1. My daughter is an 03 rising senior and last year she started talking with D2 schools before the D1 deadline so she had some experience with the process, etc. Also it gave her a good feel of where she would fall (ultimately she committed D1). Also she found the ID camps to be critical to getting her offer (obviously that may change with all the virus stuff). |
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Post by mistergrinch on Apr 21, 2020 12:58:50 GMT -5
Quick question related to TH but not to this topic exactly. What league does their top 08 Girls team play in? Thanks in advance. my child he no play in the league the hole year he play only th scrimage and the big tournamen in other state You have a 'he' playing for Tophat? fascinating |
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