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Apr 21, 2020 13:13:54 GMT -5
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Post by crazzzy4soccer on Apr 21, 2020 13:13:54 GMT -5
my child he no play in the league the hole year he play only th scrimage and the big tournamen in other state You have a 'he' playing for Tophat? fascinating The top 08s didn’t play in a league this year- they played up in 07 in almost every tournament and played inter-league- mostly against 07 TH teams. |
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Apr 21, 2020 13:30:53 GMT -5
Post by hattrick07 on Apr 21, 2020 13:30:53 GMT -5
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Apr 21, 2020 14:11:00 GMT -5
Post by Lady Soccer Whistledown on Apr 21, 2020 14:11:00 GMT -5
Maybe my understanding of this site is inaccurate. I thought the goal was about bringing parents, the Customers, together in a community to share experience and data points to support our kids and each other‘s kids, the Players. I can’t speak for other clubs and the experiences there, but here’s a place where we all should in a respectful, real way. Why have we given all of the power to the club and coach and would protect them -questioning each others’ purpose for being honest? I have heard “why blame tophat for the league falling apart, they couldn’t have known this was coming.” Or, is it the arrogance behind the machine blinded them to relationship building with other clubs/coaches who seemed to have heard about this around the nation months ago? Or is it that they poorly handled the ecnl relationship from the beginning? I have heard you can’t just blame one coach. Really? What if that one coach made the entire club/da about himself and didn’t hire any qualified coaches to develop our players. Maybe no one applied or showed interest- with the reputation the club has to the non-customers, it may start to make sense. With TG coaching 4 teams, maybe it stretches him so thin, maybe that’s the reason why emails about your player haven’t been forwarded from interested college coaches. Or why TG doesn’t reply to parents. Or why carpool to practices is longer for most than the actual practices because when you coach 4 teams, you cannot be in 4 places at once, so trainings are shortened to fit into just before pitch black hits the fields. Our silence has strengthened the machine, the illusion. Ask yourself why you went immediately to defend the club instead of asking your player- how did you feel when your coach didn’t join the info call today with your team? How did you feel when the assistant coach said don’t worry about the future, you won’t be playing games for a while anyways? What do you think about ECNL when your coach said it’s not that good of a league? But the best competition in the region just joined it. And the other local clubs with it are at the top of the conference and one team at GSA won the whole thing at nationals. How do you feel being lied to? I am so sorry...this is so wrong |
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Apr 21, 2020 14:13:22 GMT -5
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Apr 21, 2020 14:13:22 GMT -5
Sounds good! Just wanted to make sure people in our boat (I have an 03 Rising senior though) that is in the same boat and I’ve been on her weekly about making sure she’s stays in touch with the coaches she’s interested in. One thing to keep in mind as well is that D2 schools can talk earlier. I think it is May 1. My daughter is an 03 rising senior and last year she started talking with D2 schools before the D1 deadline so she had some experience with the process, etc. Also it gave her a good feel of where she would fall (ultimately she committed D1). Also she found the ID camps to be critical to getting her offer (obviously that may change with all the virus stuff). That's awesome congrats to you both. When you can or if you want you need to let us know where she going. Hopefully that will happen for my daughter that has been a dream of hers she when started playing |
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Apr 21, 2020 14:33:06 GMT -5
Post by Lady Soccer Whistledown on Apr 21, 2020 14:33:06 GMT -5
Interesting team picture at top of article 👀🎩 |
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Apr 21, 2020 14:35:28 GMT -5
Post by Lady Soccer Whistledown on Apr 21, 2020 14:35:28 GMT -5
Interesting team pic they chose for the article 👀🎩 |
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Apr 21, 2020 14:45:09 GMT -5
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Post by dadofthree on Apr 21, 2020 14:45:09 GMT -5
One thing to keep in mind as well is that D2 schools can talk earlier. I think it is May 1. My daughter is an 03 rising senior and last year she started talking with D2 schools before the D1 deadline so she had some experience with the process, etc. Also it gave her a good feel of where she would fall (ultimately she committed D1). Also she found the ID camps to be critical to getting her offer (obviously that may change with all the virus stuff). That's awesome congrats to you both. When you can or if you want you need to let us know where she going. Hopefully that will happen for my daughter that has been a dream of hers she when started playing She committed to PC in SC. I think based on your posts our daughters play on the same 03 dpl team. If we can help more we are listed in team snap. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 21, 2020 14:50:54 GMT -5
Someone nudge me when they finalize the DPL and GAL line-ups, I can always use a chuckle about travel.
So will they push for DPL and GAL to start at U12? Or will the 09's be leagueless? Or will they put them in with the peons in SCCL?
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Post by foosball31 on Apr 21, 2020 15:00:11 GMT -5
Isn't SCCL the highest level for U12 in Georgia? It seems as if there are so many people that are anti-tophat in most of the threads I have read. I don't comment much, but as a parent of two soccer players one on the girls side, and one of the boys side, I find it pretty petty to celebrate the misfortunes of any club. My daughter has friends and former teammates that play for tophat, and they were both very skilled, and very good people. So the last thing i would want is to wish them the misfortune of having to either A. not having a league or viable league to play in, or B. have to find another team to play for. I know the top 07 and 08 teams out of Buckhead from what I heard had a great year, and most of if not all of those girls would be accepted at ever club in the state. So before posting so much hatred for a particular club, maybe outline the top of the chat as "I hate Tophat", or "I have nothing positive to add but I want to get this off of my chest" as the title. I wish everyone a great transition back to soccer, and good look for all teams in the upcoming year.
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Apr 21, 2020 15:09:02 GMT -5
Post by soccergurl on Apr 21, 2020 15:09:02 GMT -5
my child he no play in the league the hole year he play only th scrimage and the big tournamen in other state You have a 'he' playing for Tophat? fascinating so sorry i want to mean she is girl |
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 21, 2020 17:33:59 GMT -5
Not to put you on the spot, but more because you've been around the game long enough. soccermom playing devil's advocate here, so I believe your daughter is all wrapped up for college, but knowing what you know and this being a year ago and you were in the same situation as many of these NTH families currently are, what would you do? Stay for your daughter's final year or go someplace else? What if you were two years out from an offer? Yes, thankfully my daughter is done with all of this and will be on her way to college in the fall. It has not been an easy ride by any means, every year it has been something different and decisions had to be made year after year. I always left the decision to stay or leave to her, its her journey not mine and if I forced her to play for someone she didn't want to. She wouldn't have grown to love the game the way she does. I gave her advice and let her know what could or couldn't happen with every decision. The NTH decision parents are having to make is a bit different than any I had to make, only because DPL/GAL is just not an established league. Who runs it? How many college coaches go watch them play? And if they do how many big colleges? I think the top 1/3 of DA kids will go somewhere else if they don't get ECNL. If it was my kids last year next year and she was all set for college..the first call we make is to their college coach and ask him or her what they feel is the best place for them to play. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 21, 2020 18:04:44 GMT -5
Quick question related to TH but not to this topic exactly. What league does their top 08 Girls team play in? Thanks in advance. On paper it would be the SCCL but I believe those are played out of the Milton and North locations. The top 2 girls 2008 teams are out of the Buckhead location. Gold 1 and Gold 2. Not sure if you remember the UFA migration to NTH last year, the team is made up of those young ladies. They don't play in any league but instead scrimmaged the other TH teams in-house. Think pre-DA, pre-DPL, SCCL, DA, DPL, etc. They primarily played up and abandoned the 9v9 for more 11v11 tournaments. Some loved the in-house scrimmages and high level tournaments (Jeff Cup, WAGs, etc.) while others hated it and left. They would have been the rising Pre-DA team but now not sure what NTH will do with that team if they stay. Oh wait yes we are back to the TH Decision 2020 Watch House-party 👀👀 |
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 21, 2020 18:36:35 GMT -5
FYI....
TG has been having a meeting with the DA parents for the last hour. And for those of you that say how come they only give info to them. Its because they only feel changes applies to them.
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Apr 21, 2020 19:11:25 GMT -5
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Apr 21, 2020 19:11:25 GMT -5
FYI.... TG has been having a meeting with the DA parents for the last hour. And for those of you that say how come they only give info to them. Its because they only feel changes applies to them. I agree and disagree. Yes a large portion 90% but the other 10% effects the second and third team's as well as the club reputation for the fringe girls fighting for college looks. But as usual TG treats the other teams and parents as second rate. Don't want to bash Tophat or TG but want to know that my dollar I spent at NTH means something. |
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Apr 21, 2020 19:15:21 GMT -5
Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Apr 21, 2020 19:15:21 GMT -5
FYI.... TG has been having a meeting with the DA parents for the last hour. And for those of you that say how come they only give info to them. Its because they only feel changes applies to them. I agree and disagree. Yes a large portion 90% but the other 10% effects the second and third team's as well as the club reputation for the fringe girls fighting for college looks. But as usual TG treats the other teams and parents as second rate. Don't want to bash Tophat or TG but want to know that my dollar I spent at NTH means something. Wonder how the players and parents will feel when TG comes to them to have there kids replace the ones that leave. I sure some if them will remember this move |
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Post by dadofthree on Apr 21, 2020 19:33:13 GMT -5
I would agree that it effects more than just the DA team. Some of the questions I have are - If they are going ECNL are they keeping DPL? If they are going GAL is DPL going to be allowed to play in showcases, etc like ECRL and ECNL? There is a rumor out there that if they go GAL they are going to have two top teams like Concord in ECNL is that true or not? All of these questions effect the folks on the 2nd team.
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Apr 21, 2020 20:33:23 GMT -5
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 21, 2020 20:33:23 GMT -5
Interesting idea they could have 2 teams in GAL. No reason NOT TO, I mean... they basically ARE the league in the SE. Their first team will likely demolish most of the competition and the 2nd team will be competitive. 3rd team in DPL (current SCCL team). SCCL could possibly be the 4th team.
But will they get enough families willing to do the travel for 3 teams per age group?
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Apr 21, 2020 20:49:05 GMT -5
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Post by dadofthree on Apr 21, 2020 20:49:05 GMT -5
Interesting idea they could have 2 teams in GAL. No reason NOT TO, I mean... they basically ARE the league in the SE. Their first team will likely demolish most of the competition and the 2nd team will be competitive. 3rd team in DPL (current SCCL team). SCCL could possibly be the 4th team. But will they get enough families willing to do the travel for 3 teams per age group? After I heard that I thought the same thing. The other things I though of it adds a built in travel buddy for all the travel and secondly does it actually add to the overall depth (ie yes might lose top top players but do you add at the 2nd team NPL/DPL level to play in a "top" league). The second piece would be important at the lower levels as they would then be able to train and maybe make the next top top player because you have more good players. |
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Apr 21, 2020 22:11:39 GMT -5
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 21, 2020 22:11:39 GMT -5
Interesting idea they could have 2 teams in GAL. No reason NOT TO, I mean... they basically ARE the league in the SE. Their first team will likely demolish most of the competition and the 2nd team will be competitive. 3rd team in DPL (current SCCL team). SCCL could possibly be the 4th team. But will they get enough families willing to do the travel for 3 teams per age group? You are assuming no one is leaving. Calls have already started and it will be a domino effect |
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Apr 21, 2020 22:25:57 GMT -5
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 21, 2020 22:25:57 GMT -5
8 expect them to lose at least 25% from the first and 2nd teams. Would be crazy if it's more than that.
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Apr 22, 2020 7:06:44 GMT -5
Post by interestedspectator on Apr 22, 2020 7:06:44 GMT -5
So what was said on the call?
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Apr 22, 2020 9:42:09 GMT -5
Post by justwatching on Apr 22, 2020 9:42:09 GMT -5
8 expect them to lose at least 25% from the first and 2nd teams. Would be crazy if it's more than that. HAHA is that your expectation or your hope lol |
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Apr 22, 2020 10:07:04 GMT -5
Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 22, 2020 10:07:04 GMT -5
8 expect them to lose at least 25% from the first and 2nd teams. Would be crazy if it's more than that. HAHA is that your expectation or your hope lol I think he meant "at most" 25%... What is your projection justwatching? You seem to know TH from the inside... |
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Apr 22, 2020 11:16:40 GMT -5
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 22, 2020 11:16:40 GMT -5
25% is about 4 players per team. Moving to make first team at other clubs, disappointed about GAL, parents not wanting to pay for extra travel, etc. 25% is just a conservative estimate. Could be lower, could be higher. Doesn't affect us in the least.
People oddly get very defensive about "their" clubs.
By comparison i would expect most top teams to lose about half that. 12-15%.
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Apr 22, 2020 12:23:17 GMT -5
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Post by justwatching on Apr 22, 2020 12:23:17 GMT -5
HAHA is that your expectation or your hope lol I think he meant "at most" 25%... What is your projection justwatching? You seem to know TH from the inside... I don't necessarily disagree or agree. I just wanted to give them a hard time since they seem interested in Tophat's demise. I really couldn't venture to take a guess right now on what the overall damage will be. I think from the 1st team I am most knowledgeable of there they will not lose any players due to DA going away. I have heard most other former DA teams look to stay intact but I am not as in the know with the other teams. You obviously have some players from multiple ages who were rumored to be leaving before all of this went down so I assume they are still planning on leaving hence why I said I don't think any leave from the team I am knowledgable of due to DA going away. |
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Apr 22, 2020 12:25:47 GMT -5
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Post by justwatching on Apr 22, 2020 12:25:47 GMT -5
I also think the travel people are anticipating from GAL, if that's where they end up, will not be much different than ECNL
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Post by soccergurl on Apr 22, 2020 12:34:32 GMT -5
I also think the travel people are anticipating from GAL, if that's where they end up, will not be much different than ECNL das no true dpl is in tx ca ecnl is have 4 teams in atl ecnl is no go to miami no mor dpl is go to va fl sc |
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Apr 22, 2020 12:44:34 GMT -5
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 22, 2020 12:44:34 GMT -5
Looking at what was left of the SE DA (5 clubs...actually likely 4 if Flames go into DPL), plus the DPL clubs (likely minus CSA). It looks like about 5 clubs for GAL and 5 for DPL (in the Southeast... and none are close). It seemed like DPL travel for regular season was more than ECNL with less games overall.
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Apr 22, 2020 12:54:15 GMT -5
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Post by shaka on Apr 22, 2020 12:54:15 GMT -5
I also think the travel people are anticipating from GAL, if that's where they end up, will not be much different than ECNL although GAL does not have any local teams, they have fewer games, showcases than ECNL Of course not official but Travel would not be increased it would just be a higher percentage of Travel based on number of games played. This was based on what was shared last week to the DA teams.We shall see :-) |
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Apr 22, 2020 12:56:42 GMT -5
Post by justwatching on Apr 22, 2020 12:56:42 GMT -5
I also think the travel people are anticipating from GAL, if that's where they end up, will not be much different than ECNL das no true dpl is in tx ca ecnl is have 4 teams in atl ecnl is no go to miami no mor dpl is go to va fl sc Like I said a lot of people are speculating and assuming a ton of travel but if you are looking at it objectively I think it will end up being a surprise that travel is close to the same. |
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