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Apr 22, 2020 13:05:17 GMT -5
Post by westcoast on Apr 22, 2020 13:05:17 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 22, 2020 13:18:22 GMT -5
Wow -- what's the thought for the California teams -- not enough room in ecnl right now for them?
just looked at few rankings, the u17 teams for Beach FC, Legends FC are undefeated!
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Apr 22, 2020 13:22:26 GMT -5
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Post by dadofthree on Apr 22, 2020 13:22:26 GMT -5
Whats intresting about this is that they chose the regional league. So that says they will be moved up in a year, I would guess and its true that ECNL feels they have topped out. In southern Cal that leaves I think 4 or 5 DA clubs on the outside of the current DPL/GAL frame work that I assume will join DPL/GAL. I would say it also makes it more likely that DPL/GAL takes off else where because I doubt most DA clubs are going to "stoop" to playing in what will be percieved as a 2nd league.
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Apr 22, 2020 13:32:46 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 22, 2020 13:32:46 GMT -5
This Beach and Legends ECRL I heard last night from a friend in Cali. Pretty shocking to me that they would make this move. The only thing I can say is they must have received some sort of guarantee that they would join full ECNL next year. Maybe ECNL did not want to bother with a last minute realignment of the south west conference. Honestly there are tons of clubs out west now and seems like should be split into 3 groups instead of 2 (southwest and northwest). Regardless I would expect the players from Beach and Legends to try to move to other ECNL clubs this year. |
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Apr 22, 2020 13:55:33 GMT -5
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 22, 2020 13:55:33 GMT -5
Plus the ECRL teams will have a good shot at ECNL cup. There will have to be some realigning when those clubs are added to ECNL.
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Apr 22, 2020 14:05:29 GMT -5
Post by westcoast on Apr 22, 2020 14:05:29 GMT -5
From what I've heard, there are no guarantees given that any of these ECRL clubs will be granted full ECNL status next year. There are already a lot of existing ECNL clubs in the area, and many clubs are right on top of each other geographically, so the thought is that some clubs might be lobbying to keep clubs out who will be in their same geography. There are already 4 current ECNL clubs that practice at the same park in Orange County. Plus the ECRL teams will have a good shot at ECNL cup. There will have to be some realigning when those clubs are added to ECNL. |
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Apr 22, 2020 14:41:27 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 22, 2020 14:41:27 GMT -5
From what I've heard, there are no guarantees given that any of these ECRL clubs will be granted full ECNL status next year. There are already a lot of existing ECNL clubs in the area, and many clubs are right on top of each other geographically, so the thought is that some clubs might be lobbying to keep clubs out who will be in their same geography. There are already 4 current ECNL clubs that practice at the same park in Orange County. Plus the ECRL teams will have a good shot at ECNL cup. There will have to be some realigning when those clubs are added to ECNL. Well I can see that could be an issue. I just cannot believe high level clubs with those reputations would join a 2nd tier league. Maybe the draw of Open Cup was enough or there was some other compensation given, but seems like a tough situation for those kids and parents as well as the club leaders. |
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Apr 22, 2020 14:44:55 GMT -5
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Post by dadofthree on Apr 22, 2020 14:44:55 GMT -5
One question that came to mind is are those two clubs keeping dpl as well, as their 2nd team. If they are are they trying to play both sides and see which one gives them the best thing in the longer term future.
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Apr 22, 2020 15:12:28 GMT -5
Post by 04gparent on Apr 22, 2020 15:12:28 GMT -5
From what I've heard, there are no guarantees given that any of these ECRL clubs will be granted full ECNL status next year. There are already a lot of existing ECNL clubs in the area, and many clubs are right on top of each other geographically, so the thought is that some clubs might be lobbying to keep clubs out who will be in their same geography. There are already 4 current ECNL clubs that practice at the same park in Orange County. Well I can see that could be an issue. I just cannot believe high level clubs with those reputations would join a 2nd tier league. Maybe the draw of Open Cup was enough or there was some other compensation given, but seems like a tough situation for those kids and parents as well as the club leaders. You are asking the right questions. ECNL girls is not like boys where you can win you way into the highlest level playoffs for an ECLR team (unless that is changing). Also like pointed out earlier for Beach and the others which league will get the higher team? The announcement didnt say it, unless I overlooked it. |
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Apr 22, 2020 15:20:55 GMT -5
Post by westcoast on Apr 22, 2020 15:20:55 GMT -5
Beach's former GDA teams have been told that they are playing in ECRL. Well I can see that could be an issue. I just cannot believe high level clubs with those reputations would join a 2nd tier league. Maybe the draw of Open Cup was enough or there was some other compensation given, but seems like a tough situation for those kids and parents as well as the club leaders. You are asking the right questions. ECNL girls is not like boys where you can win you way into the highlest level playoffs for an ECLR team (unless that is changing). Also like pointed out earlier for Beach and the others which league will get the higher team? The announcement didnt say it, unless I overlooked it. |
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Apr 22, 2020 15:31:26 GMT -5
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Post by dadofthree on Apr 22, 2020 15:31:26 GMT -5
Beach's former GDA teams have been told that they are playing in ECRL. You are asking the right questions. ECNL girls is not like boys where you can win you way into the highlest level playoffs for an ECLR team (unless that is changing). Also like pointed out earlier for Beach and the others which league will get the higher team? The announcement didnt say it, unless I overlooked it. Cant imagine that that announcement went well. |
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Apr 22, 2020 15:34:45 GMT -5
I know I am going to take a lot of abuse from this post but a very serious question. (First off I am a Tophat Parent, and yes I want the best for my child/club but lets look at the facts. I also don't have a jet or a silver spoon in my mouth. I also didn't want to go to the evil empire
but after 2 years my daughter has received great coaching and I have met some great kids/parent some also not so great)
1) I know Tophat is very arrogant and thinks there Sh%T doesn't stink. Is that arrogance or confidence?
2) They have continually put up a winning program in pretty much all age groups in all leagues. Some of Tophat 3rd teams are better then some clubs first teams.
3) When they had DA and ECNL last year. The DA was top for all ages and the SECOND TEAM was middle of the pack in ECNL. Question 1. Why is Okay for Concorde Premier team (SECOND TEAM) given a pass for being middle off the road in most age group where Tophat was vilified? Also they are middle of the pack after gaining some Tophat players when ECNL was lost
4) Most people on here want their kid/club to play against the best but you are OK with Keeping out Tophat which was in first place in all ages except 1 (2 place) in DA. DPL Tophat second team first place in almost age groups except 1 (second place)
5) Again want to play against the best but we are excited to have AFU 33 wins 54 losses 25 ties-- 1 age group with a winning record. Concorde Premier 36 wins 51 losses 23 ties-- 1 team with a winning record. Would Tophat do better or worse then this?
6) Excited that UFA DA is joining ECNL. Congrats UFA you are a great club and i wish you the best but 15 wins - 23 losses 6 ties. 1 age group with a winning record. 0 Win 5 losses against Tophat 2 Goals For 18 Goals against Tophat. Would Tophat do better or worse then this?
7) I know most of the people that are complaining about Tophat are Concorde people. I understand why A) Tophat-Arrogant and pompous and can't stand the parents B) Supposedly Tophat steals kids (Last I check the parent had to OK this because they stroke the check. C) Market the players like they were home grown when 50% moved to Tophat. Tophat problem or your club problem for not bein able to keep them? D) Know if Tophat doesn't get ECNL large number of TH players will go to Concorde to make their teams stronger so they can be the arrogant/pompous group and rub it in Tophat faces.
So yes Tophat Director TG is arrogant/pompous and sometimes an a-hole but you rather have them not play ECNL? Please explain and remember you want to play against the best kids and clubs in Atlanta. According to what i stated above i think Tophat would bring the talent. Also when you bash me please bring reason why, not just because we dont like Tophat.
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Apr 22, 2020 16:26:20 GMT -5
Post by messindreams on Apr 22, 2020 16:26:20 GMT -5
I know I am going to take a lot of abuse from this post but a very serious question. (First off I am a Tophat Parent, and yes I want the best for my child/club but lets look at the facts. I also don't have a jet or a silver spoon in my mouth. I also didn't want to go to the evil empire but after 2 years my daughter has received great coaching and I have met some great kids/parent some also not so great) 1) I know Tophat is very arrogant and thinks there Sh%T doesn't stink. Is that arrogance or confidence? 2) They have continually put up a winning program in pretty much all age groups in all leagues. Some of Tophat 3rd teams are better then some clubs first teams. 3) When they had DA and ECNL last year. The DA was top for all ages and the SECOND TEAM was middle of the pack in ECNL. Question 1. Why is Okay for Concorde Premier team (SECOND TEAM) given a pass for being middle off the road in most age group where Tophat was vilified? Also they are middle of the pack after gaining some Tophat players when ECNL was lost 4) Most people on here want their kid/club to play against the best but you are OK with Keeping out Tophat which was in first place in all ages except 1 (2 place) in DA. DPL Tophat second team first place in almost age groups except 1 (second place) 5) Again want to play against the best but we are excited to have AFU 33 wins 54 losses 25 ties-- 1 age group with a winning record. Concorde Premier 36 wins 51 losses 23 ties-- 1 team with a winning record. Would Tophat do better or worse then this? 6) Excited that UFA DA is joining ECNL. Congrats UFA you are a great club and i wish you the best but 15 wins - 23 losses 6 ties. 1 age group with a winning record. 0 Win 5 losses against Tophat 2 Goals For 18 Goals against Tophat. Would Tophat do better or worse then this? 7) I know most of the people that are complaining about Tophat are Concorde people. I understand why A) Tophat-Arrogant and pompous and can't stand the parents B) Supposedly Tophat steals kids (Last I check the parent had to OK this because they stroke the check. C) Market the players like they were home grown when 50% moved to Tophat. Tophat problem or your club problem for not bein able to keep them? D) Know if Tophat doesn't get ECNL large number of TH players will go to Concorde to make their teams stronger so they can be the arrogant/pompous group and rub it in Tophat faces. So yes Tophat Director TG is arrogant/pompous and sometimes an a-hole but you rather have them not play ECNL? Please explain and remember you want to play against the best kids and clubs in Atlanta. According to what i stated above i think Tophat would bring the talent. Also when you bash me please bring reason why, not just because we dont like Tophat. Goalkeeperdad, As you quoted "Supposedly Tophat steals kids (Last I check the parent had to OK this because they stroke the check." so make the right decision for your kid and stop worrying about club politics. Good luck! |
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Apr 22, 2020 16:34:28 GMT -5
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Apr 22, 2020 16:34:28 GMT -5
I know I am going to take a lot of abuse from this post but a very serious question. (First off I am a Tophat Parent, and yes I want the best for my child/club but lets look at the facts. I also don't have a jet or a silver spoon in my mouth. I also didn't want to go to the evil empire but after 2 years my daughter has received great coaching and I have met some great kids/parent some also not so great) 1) I know Tophat is very arrogant and thinks there Sh%T doesn't stink. Is that arrogance or confidence? 2) They have continually put up a winning program in pretty much all age groups in all leagues. Some of Tophat 3rd teams are better then some clubs first teams. 3) When they had DA and ECNL last year. The DA was top for all ages and the SECOND TEAM was middle of the pack in ECNL. Question 1. Why is Okay for Concorde Premier team (SECOND TEAM) given a pass for being middle off the road in most age group where Tophat was vilified? Also they are middle of the pack after gaining some Tophat players when ECNL was lost 4) Most people on here want their kid/club to play against the best but you are OK with Keeping out Tophat which was in first place in all ages except 1 (2 place) in DA. DPL Tophat second team first place in almost age groups except 1 (second place) 5) Again want to play against the best but we are excited to have AFU 33 wins 54 losses 25 ties-- 1 age group with a winning record. Concorde Premier 36 wins 51 losses 23 ties-- 1 team with a winning record. Would Tophat do better or worse then this? 6) Excited that UFA DA is joining ECNL. Congrats UFA you are a great club and i wish you the best but 15 wins - 23 losses 6 ties. 1 age group with a winning record. 0 Win 5 losses against Tophat 2 Goals For 18 Goals against Tophat. Would Tophat do better or worse then this? 7) I know most of the people that are complaining about Tophat are Concorde people. I understand why A) Tophat-Arrogant and pompous and can't stand the parents B) Supposedly Tophat steals kids (Last I check the parent had to OK this because they stroke the check. C) Market the players like they were home grown when 50% moved to Tophat. Tophat problem or your club problem for not bein able to keep them? D) Know if Tophat doesn't get ECNL large number of TH players will go to Concorde to make their teams stronger so they can be the arrogant/pompous group and rub it in Tophat faces. So yes Tophat Director TG is arrogant/pompous and sometimes an a-hole but you rather have them not play ECNL? Please explain and remember you want to play against the best kids and clubs in Atlanta. According to what i stated above i think Tophat would bring the talent. Also when you bash me please bring reason why, not just because we dont like Tophat. Goalkeeperdad, As you quoted "Supposedly Tophat steals kids (Last I check the parent had to OK this because they stroke the check." so make the right decision for your kid and stop worrying about club politics. Good luck! ? |
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Post by footyfan on Apr 22, 2020 16:36:49 GMT -5
I think they were remarking on your worry about club politics. Not judging. This forum is 50% club politics.
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Post by soccerbro on Apr 22, 2020 17:14:43 GMT -5
Goalkeeper Dad -
Your post is fantastic. You seem befuddled by the hatred for Tophat and the perception that they are arrogant. Then you go to great lengths to basically say other clubs hate Tophat because all you do is win and you take shots at the other clubs.
With regard to your assertion that the other clubs should want to play against the best...I am new here, but my sense is most posters think talent will disperse to ecnl and they expect it to be the best. I am not ready to make any prognostications on player movement until we know exactly what Tophat is doing.
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Apr 22, 2020 18:18:15 GMT -5
Goalkeeper Dad - Your post is fantastic. You seem befuddled by the hatred for Tophat and the perception that they are arrogant. Then you go to great lengths to basically say other clubs hate Tophat because all you do is win and you take shots at the other clubs. With regard to your assertion that the other clubs should want to play against the best...I am new here, but my sense is most posters think talent will disperse to ecnl and they expect it to be the best. I am not ready to make any prognostications on player movement until we know exactly what Tophat is doing. Soccerbro. I do apologize if i came across as arrogant. That was not my intention, I have always try to bring fact. You stated "you go to great lengths to basically say other clubs hate Tophat because all you do is win and you take shots at the other clubs. " The records I posted are easily found on the ECNL and DA website for the clubs that are based in GA. I didn't post Concorde Platinum and GSA because their record is impressive. Now in regard to you saying about all Tophat does is win. Tophat who plays in a pretty good DA league from what i have been told. 33 wins 5 loses and 6 ties. They have scored 140 Goals and Given up 32. DPL many people have thrashed the league but i have been told the league was very good and competitive is 41 wins 9 loses and 7 Ties. Have scored 153 Goals and Given up 52. So yes I agree they don't always win but they have a pretty good program that can bring value to the ECNL league. I don't think 2 teams should be put in but i believe 1 should and the other should work their way up by winning or being in the top 2 in ECRL. SO again do you believe Tophat would not be a good option for ECNL? If you want to play against the best then you want the teams that would bring out the best. Again no disrespect to AFU, Concorde Premier or UFA I am just trying to bring proof that would help my case for Tophat to be in ECNL |
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Post by fridge on Apr 22, 2020 19:26:43 GMT -5
Goalkeeper Dad. You are a wonderful advocate for Top Hat. I agree in many respects even though you did go sideways nailing other clubs. TH is a great club. It has great players. It has great success. I appreciate you are "trying to bring proof that would help your case for Tophat to be in ECNL."
HOWEVER, your proof and your case is wholly irrelevant to the analysis--I say this with ZERO tone. The world does not revolve around TH.
From ECNL's perspective, it plain and simply doesn't need Top Hat. It needed Top Hat 2 years ago when DA was kicking its butt. However, TH stayed loyal to DA. Meanwhile, CF and other clubs went All-In to save the league. Last year Top Hat was again offered to go all-in with ECNL, it turned its back on ECNL again. And so, with DA collapsing this month, TH finally comes calling?
Do you think ECNL should not protect loyal clubs like AFU and GSA who have lost national team level players to TH as late as u14/15? What should ECNL say, "I know you've been loyal and I know TH who has thumbed its nose at ECNL and recruited your best players, but due to fairness we need to TH in."
With or without TH, ECNL is the top league by FAR, has 90% of the top clubs, has a balanced SE conference and has every reason to stay loyal to the clubs in the SE who were loyal to it. Again, I say it with no tone. It sucks for TH. From TH perspective, perhaps the lesson is "Life isn't always fair." From ECNL's perspective perhaps the lesson is "Loyalty will always be rewarded."
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Apr 22, 2020 19:50:39 GMT -5
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Apr 22, 2020 19:50:39 GMT -5
Goalkeeper Dad. You are a wonderful advocate for Top Hat. I agree in many respects even though you did go sideways nailing other clubs. TH is a great club. It has great players. It has great success. I appreciate you are "trying to bring proof that would help your case for Tophat to be in ECNL." HOWEVER, your proof and your case is wholly irrelevant to the analysis--I say this with ZERO tone. The world does not revolve around TH. From ECNL's perspective, it plain and simply doesn't need Top Hat. It needed Top Hat 2 years ago when DA was kicking its butt. However, TH stayed loyal to DA. Meanwhile, CF and other clubs went All-In to save the league. Last year Top Hat was again offered to go all-in with ECNL, it turned its back on ECNL again. And so, with DA collapsing this month, TH finally comes calling? Do you think ECNL should not protect loyal clubs like AFU and GSA who have lost national team level players to TH as late as u14/15? What should ECNL say, "I know you've been loyal and I know TH who has thumbed its nose at ECNL and recruited your best players, but due to fairness we need to TH in." With or without TH, ECNL is the top league by FAR, has 90% of the top clubs, has a balanced SE conference and has every reason to stay loyal to the clubs in the SE who were loyal to it. Again, I say it with no tone. It sucks for TH. From TH perspective, perhaps the lesson is "Life isn't always fair." From ECNL's perspective perhaps the lesson is "Loyalty will always be rewarded." Fridge. I appreciate your answer and I agree with a lot of what you said. 100% the world doesn't revolve around Tophat because if it did I don't think TG head would fit in GA. Yes, ECNL has no reason to accept Tophat. Tophat's arrogance has cost them the fast track to ECNL and now Tophat has to race and find the answer to a very difficult question. At no point was I saying ECNL should remove AFU, Concorde Premier or UFA. All I was saying that if you say that your best league you want the best teams in, at no point did I say remove them. if anything Concorde and AFU should be applauded for their foresight. In my opinion I think ECNL should grow their dominance and really stick it to US soccer. Create one ECNL with GA/Al NC or SC make a 10 team region cuts down on teams from Atl having to go to South Florida for not that competitive games. Then create FL into their own region. You can easily get 10 good clubs. This would make ECNL more powerful because it is a great league and your not traveling over 500 miles for conference matches. If ECNL doesn't give NTH ECNL more power to them. The other benefit of Tophat not getting ECNL may stop the arrogance at the top of Tophat. They would learn it about the kids not the all mighty dollar Unfortunately the kids and parents have to pay for the egos that have been created by the clubs and federations. Take God I have 2 years left of this crap. Maybe I should move my daughter to Track. LOL |
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Apr 22, 2020 20:04:31 GMT -5
Goalkeeper Dad. You are a wonderful advocate for Top Hat. I agree in many respects even though you did go sideways nailing other clubs. TH is a great club. It has great players. It has great success. I appreciate you are "trying to bring proof that would help your case for Tophat to be in ECNL." HOWEVER, your proof and your case is wholly irrelevant to the analysis--I say this with ZERO tone. The world does not revolve around TH. From ECNL's perspective, it plain and simply doesn't need Top Hat. It needed Top Hat 2 years ago when DA was kicking its butt. However, TH stayed loyal to DA. Meanwhile, CF and other clubs went All-In to save the league. Last year Top Hat was again offered to go all-in with ECNL, it turned its back on ECNL again. And so, with DA collapsing this month, TH finally comes calling? Do you think ECNL should not protect loyal clubs like AFU and GSA who have lost national team level players to TH as late as u14/15? What should ECNL say, "I know you've been loyal and I know TH who has thumbed its nose at ECNL and recruited your best players, but due to fairness we need to TH in." With or without TH, ECNL is the top league by FAR, has 90% of the top clubs, has a balanced SE conference and has every reason to stay loyal to the clubs in the SE who were loyal to it. Again, I say it with no tone. It sucks for TH. From TH perspective, perhaps the lesson is "Life isn't always fair." From ECNL's perspective perhaps the lesson is "Loyalty will always be rewarded." Nailed it |
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Post by soccergirldad on Apr 22, 2020 22:16:44 GMT -5
Goalkeeper Dad. You are a wonderful advocate for Top Hat. I agree in many respects even though you did go sideways nailing other clubs. TH is a great club. It has great players. It has great success. I appreciate you are "trying to bring proof that would help your case for Tophat to be in ECNL." HOWEVER, your proof and your case is wholly irrelevant to the analysis--I say this with ZERO tone. The world does not revolve around TH. From ECNL's perspective, it plain and simply doesn't need Top Hat. It needed Top Hat 2 years ago when DA was kicking its butt. However, TH stayed loyal to DA. Meanwhile, CF and other clubs went All-In to save the league. Last year Top Hat was again offered to go all-in with ECNL, it turned its back on ECNL again. And so, with DA collapsing this month, TH finally comes calling? Do you think ECNL should not protect loyal clubs like AFU and GSA who have lost national team level players to TH as late as u14/15? What should ECNL say, "I know you've been loyal and I know TH who has thumbed its nose at ECNL and recruited your best players, but due to fairness we need to TH in." With or without TH, ECNL is the top league by FAR, has 90% of the top clubs, has a balanced SE conference and has every reason to stay loyal to the clubs in the SE who were loyal to it. Again, I say it with no tone. It sucks for TH. From TH perspective, perhaps the lesson is "Life isn't always fair." From ECNL's perspective perhaps the lesson is "Loyalty will always be rewarded." Nailed it |
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Post by soccergirldad on Apr 22, 2020 22:18:37 GMT -5
Goalkeeper Dad. You are a wonderful advocate for Top Hat. I agree in many respects even though you did go sideways nailing other clubs. TH is a great club. It has great players. It has great success. I appreciate you are "trying to bring proof that would help your case for Tophat to be in ECNL." HOWEVER, your proof and your case is wholly irrelevant to the analysis--I say this with ZERO tone. The world does not revolve around TH. From ECNL's perspective, it plain and simply doesn't need Top Hat. It needed Top Hat 2 years ago when DA was kicking its butt. However, TH stayed loyal to DA. Meanwhile, CF and other clubs went All-In to save the league. Last year Top Hat was again offered to go all-in with ECNL, it turned its back on ECNL again. And so, with DA collapsing this month, TH finally comes calling? Do you think ECNL should not protect loyal clubs like AFU and GSA who have lost national team level players to TH as late as u14/15? What should ECNL say, "I know you've been loyal and I know TH who has thumbed its nose at ECNL and recruited your best players, but due to fairness we need to TH in." With or without TH, ECNL is the top league by FAR, has 90% of the top clubs, has a balanced SE conference and has every reason to stay loyal to the clubs in the SE who were loyal to it. Again, I say it with no tone. It sucks for TH. From TH perspective, perhaps the lesson is "Life isn't always fair." From ECNL's perspective perhaps the lesson is "Loyalty will always be rewarded." Nailed it |
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Post by soccergirldad on Apr 22, 2020 22:18:59 GMT -5
Couldn't have stated it any better!!!!
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Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 22, 2020 22:44:54 GMT -5
Goalkeeper Dad. You are a wonderful advocate for Top Hat. I agree in many respects even though you did go sideways nailing other clubs. TH is a great club. It has great players. It has great success. I appreciate you are "trying to bring proof that would help your case for Tophat to be in ECNL." HOWEVER, your proof and your case is wholly irrelevant to the analysis--I say this with ZERO tone. The world does not revolve around TH. From ECNL's perspective, it plain and simply doesn't need Top Hat. It needed Top Hat 2 years ago when DA was kicking its butt. However, TH stayed loyal to DA. Meanwhile, CF and other clubs went All-In to save the league. Last year Top Hat was again offered to go all-in with ECNL, it turned its back on ECNL again. And so, with DA collapsing this month, TH finally comes calling? Do you think ECNL should not protect loyal clubs like AFU and GSA who have lost national team level players to TH as late as u14/15? What should ECNL say, "I know you've been loyal and I know TH who has thumbed its nose at ECNL and recruited your best players, but due to fairness we need to TH in." With or without TH, ECNL is the top league by FAR, has 90% of the top clubs, has a balanced SE conference and has every reason to stay loyal to the clubs in the SE who were loyal to it. Again, I say it with no tone. It sucks for TH. From TH perspective, perhaps the lesson is "Life isn't always fair." From ECNL's perspective perhaps the lesson is "Loyalty will always be rewarded." I think fridge summed it up nicely while keeping a level non-insulting tone. I would also add that you are correct, @goalkeeper Dad. Tophat is currently one of the best clubs in the SE and their quality would fit well within ECNL. I don't think anyone denies that. I don't know the future, BUT if they continue to be "on the outside looking in" on what is considered the top league in the country, do you think TopHat will be able to continue the dominance like you stated? It could be, that in 3-4 years from now, as players choose other clubs, that TopHat will not have those gaudy numbers of wins and losses and will be considered just a very good club, while one or two of those other clubs (like Concorde, UFA, GSA and the like) become that powerhouse instead. This goes back to TopHat unfortunately backing the wrong horse (DA) while at the same time dismissing ECNL. I truly feel for the players. They will now have to make that tough choice ( leaving the club they came up in, friends, coaches, etc.) that many girls from other clubs had to make when deciding to move to Tophat... as was said, the soccer world doesn't revolve around Tophat (especially now), just because they are good at this moment in time. |
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Apr 23, 2020 7:15:45 GMT -5
I knew my post was going to create a little controversy but I do need to say 1 thing.
I do agree with Soccerlegacy I think fridge summed it up nicely while keeping a level non-insulting tone. I guess I was not succussful in doing that. So with that being said I do apologize if I have offended any parent or club by what I have posted in regards to Concorde Premier, AFU and UFA. (All great clubs and I wish them nothing but success) My intentions were to never say disparaging remarks about the club or the kids/Parents. My posts were to say that I believe Tophat should be put in ECNL and the reasons why.
I do agree with that if Tophat doesn't get a seat at the table it is their own fault because of their arrogance.
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Post by girlsoccer on Apr 23, 2020 8:08:06 GMT -5
I knew my post was going to create a little controversy but I do need to say 1 thing. I do agree with Soccerlegacy I think fridge summed it up nicely while keeping a level non-insulting tone. I guess I was not succussful in doing that. So with that being said I do apologize if I have offended any parent or club by what I have posted in regards to Concorde Premier, AFU and UFA. (All great clubs and I wish them nothing but success) My intentions were to never say disparaging remarks about the club or the kids/Parents. My posts were to say that I believe Tophat should be put in ECNL and the reasons why. I do agree with that if Tophat doesn't get a seat at the table it is their own fault because of their arrogance. That is kind of you to say but I did not read an insulting tone in your post. You stated the records of different teams/clubs but didn’t do any name calling. I thought it was fine. People are just extra sensitive (understandably) right now. |
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Post by hattrick07 on Apr 23, 2020 8:50:57 GMT -5
I know I am going to take a lot of abuse from this post but a very serious question. (First off I am a Tophat Parent, and yes I want the best for my child/club but lets look at the facts. I also don't have a jet or a silver spoon in my mouth. I also didn't want to go to the evil empire but after 2 years my daughter has received great coaching and I have met some great kids/parent some also not so great) 1) I know Tophat is very arrogant and thinks there Sh%T doesn't stink. Is that arrogance or confidence? 2) They have continually put up a winning program in pretty much all age groups in all leagues. Some of Tophat 3rd teams are better then some clubs first teams. 3) When they had DA and ECNL last year. The DA was top for all ages and the SECOND TEAM was middle of the pack in ECNL. Question 1. Why is Okay for Concorde Premier team (SECOND TEAM) given a pass for being middle off the road in most age group where Tophat was vilified? Also they are middle of the pack after gaining some Tophat players when ECNL was lost 4) Most people on here want their kid/club to play against the best but you are OK with Keeping out Tophat which was in first place in all ages except 1 (2 place) in DA. DPL Tophat second team first place in almost age groups except 1 (second place) 5) Again want to play against the best but we are excited to have AFU 33 wins 54 losses 25 ties-- 1 age group with a winning record. Concorde Premier 36 wins 51 losses 23 ties-- 1 team with a winning record. Would Tophat do better or worse then this? 6) Excited that UFA DA is joining ECNL. Congrats UFA you are a great club and i wish you the best but 15 wins - 23 losses 6 ties. 1 age group with a winning record. 0 Win 5 losses against Tophat 2 Goals For 18 Goals against Tophat. Would Tophat do better or worse then this? 7) I know most of the people that are complaining about Tophat are Concorde people. I understand why A) Tophat-Arrogant and pompous and can't stand the parents B) Supposedly Tophat steals kids (Last I check the parent had to OK this because they stroke the check. C) Market the players like they were home grown when 50% moved to Tophat. Tophat problem or your club problem for not bein able to keep them? D) Know if Tophat doesn't get ECNL large number of TH players will go to Concorde to make their teams stronger so they can be the arrogant/pompous group and rub it in Tophat faces. So yes Tophat Director TG is arrogant/pompous and sometimes an a-hole but you rather have them not play ECNL? Please explain and remember you want to play against the best kids and clubs in Atlanta. According to what i stated above i think Tophat would bring the talent. Also when you bash me please bring reason why, not just because we dont like Tophat. Goalkeeperdad, As you quoted "Supposedly Tophat steals kids (Last I check the parent had to OK this because they stroke the check." so make the right decision for your kid and stop worrying about club politics. Good luck! |
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Post by futbolpadre on Apr 23, 2020 9:00:00 GMT -5
I know I am going to take a lot of abuse from this post but a very serious question. (First off I am a Tophat Parent, and yes I want the best for my child/club but lets look at the facts. I also don't have a jet or a silver spoon in my mouth. I also didn't want to go to the evil empire but after 2 years my daughter has received great coaching and I have met some great kids/parent some also not so great) 1) I know Tophat is very arrogant and thinks there Sh%T doesn't stink. Is that arrogance or confidence? 2) They have continually put up a winning program in pretty much all age groups in all leagues. Some of Tophat 3rd teams are better then some clubs first teams. 3) When they had DA and ECNL last year. The DA was top for all ages and the SECOND TEAM was middle of the pack in ECNL. Question 1. Why is Okay for Concorde Premier team (SECOND TEAM) given a pass for being middle off the road in most age group where Tophat was vilified? Also they are middle of the pack after gaining some Tophat players when ECNL was lost 4) Most people on here want their kid/club to play against the best but you are OK with Keeping out Tophat which was in first place in all ages except 1 (2 place) in DA. DPL Tophat second team first place in almost age groups except 1 (second place) 5) Again want to play against the best but we are excited to have AFU 33 wins 54 losses 25 ties-- 1 age group with a winning record. Concorde Premier 36 wins 51 losses 23 ties-- 1 team with a winning record. Would Tophat do better or worse then this? 6) Excited that UFA DA is joining ECNL. Congrats UFA you are a great club and i wish you the best but 15 wins - 23 losses 6 ties. 1 age group with a winning record. 0 Win 5 losses against Tophat 2 Goals For 18 Goals against Tophat. Would Tophat do better or worse then this? 7) I know most of the people that are complaining about Tophat are Concorde people. I understand why A) Tophat-Arrogant and pompous and can't stand the parents B) Supposedly Tophat steals kids (Last I check the parent had to OK this because they stroke the check. C) Market the players like they were home grown when 50% moved to Tophat. Tophat problem or your club problem for not bein able to keep them? D) Know if Tophat doesn't get ECNL large number of TH players will go to Concorde to make their teams stronger so they can be the arrogant/pompous group and rub it in Tophat faces. So yes Tophat Director TG is arrogant/pompous and sometimes an a-hole but you rather have them not play ECNL? Please explain and remember you want to play against the best kids and clubs in Atlanta. According to what i stated above i think Tophat would bring the talent. Also when you bash me please bring reason why, not just because we dont like Tophat. I may be in the minority here, but I am a Concorde parent and would love to see Tophat get into ECNL. I think Concorde and TH are arguably the two best girls clubs in the SE and are less than 5 miles apart, yet their top 2 teams never play each other anymore. I would welcome TH, and would enjoy renewing the rivalry we had through academy and initially with ECNL and even DA for one year. |
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Post by hattrick07 on Apr 23, 2020 9:03:26 GMT -5
Historically, TH has simply recruited the best girls from other teams. For example, a couple of years ago there were 1/2 dozen Concorde girls who moved to TH in one age bracket. Because of this, many of the homegrown TH girls, took the back seat to players from Concorde, AFU, LSA, GSA and Santos. So is TH only exceptional as a result of recruiting top players from other teams? I truly believe TH has a good training program, but I also believe they have been at the top because they recruited top players from other clubs. With DA and ECNL, they will no longer be the destination club for girls, and all the other clubs with not only retain their top players they will also absorb top players from TH.
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Post by coffee on Apr 23, 2020 9:17:13 GMT -5
...I do agree with that if Tophat doesn't get a seat at the table it is their own fault because of their arrogance. Unfortunately 99.9% of the people that make up the they of Tophat had no say in the arrogance you speak of. But they are all being screwed for it. |
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I also think the travel people are anticipating from GAL, if that's where they end up, will not be much different than ECNLdas no true
