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Post by holding on May 24, 2020 8:49:52 GMT -5
Every year, there is the normal depletion and elevation of players on the top team at any club. Most expected some moves from many clubs with the loss of GDA and the creation of new leagues. So far, this is what I know of some of the movements with NTH. Do you think this is a normal ebb n flow or something more and why? 2003 - Unknown 2004 - 6 2005 - 5 2006 - Unknown 2007 - 5, no 8, wait 11, you know what, maybe whole team 🤦♂️ 2008 - 5 Even with the loss of these players that were probably developed at and recruited from other clubs I would imagine what’s left should be able to handle West Florida and Weston twice a year. |
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Post by gunner on May 24, 2020 9:04:30 GMT -5
I don't really know the girls but I talk some of the parents and it seem more about location and opportunity than the failure of Tophat. To each there own not every team fits. every player especially when the coaches don't know the players. Gunner I don't know all the girls also but all I know is all the people are jumping off the bandwagon and all we have are the girls that will be wearing the Navy and Gold and we will rise again From what I am hearing we are still are having girls call Tophat because they know what it means to wear NAVY AND GOLD...Next girl upstwa This might actually make Tophat a better team/club due to it causing the staff to actually get to know the players and delevelope them. I like soccer but watching teams with so much talent get neutralized due to the inability to make in game tactical changes is embarrassing. Tophat got complacent and fail to fully connect with many of the girls that left. Again I wish all parties involved the best. Just know that a coach will always get the best out of players that believe in them and there goal and that's what I think Tophat lost sight of... We Tophat we the best mindset doesn't work when you focus on select players and have no real team chemistry. Soccer is a beautiful game a real team sport. |
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Post by girlsoccer on May 24, 2020 11:25:09 GMT -5
Rumors are only 4 girls are staying. Two field players that use to play at NTH North and the two keepers. All of the Buckhead players are leaving. All of the players that came from other clubs are leaving. I guess the Buckhead players and imports understood that Tophat would show no loyalty to them in the future and so they showed no loyalty back to Tophat. Totally understandable. Here is thing. Other clubs are doing the same thing now. They are taking these ex-Tophat players and showing no loyalty to their own players. Could Tophat use this as an opportunity to differentiate themselves from other clubs in a new way and show some loyalty to players at their own club? There was a 07 Gold team at North the year before last. They were not as technical or big as the 07 Buckhead Gold, but they were a very good team. They all enjoyed playing with and for each other. The were unselfish and played as a team. They even beat the Buckhead team in the finals of a tournament 4-1 after losing to them 3-0 earlier in the same tournament. They would beat all of teams with the players that Tophat is going to look at now. All of the North girls are still in the club on the top three teams, except for 2. They left because they had ECNL offers and had to commit before Tophat had made up their mind and sent out offers. All of those girls would play together again in a heart beat. But instead of looking within...... Tophat could become the club that everyone fights to get into early and becomes known for developing their own great talent. They have great coaches and facilities. But I think it will come down to the fact that when you look at a new player you see possibility and potential. When you look at a player you know you tend to see flaws or limitations. Tophat has some new potential as a club, but Tophat will probably keep trying the same thing it is known for now. Agree. The previous NTh North 07 team was a good solid team that could be special if they stayed together and were developed well. |
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Post by crazzzy4soccer on May 24, 2020 11:41:37 GMT -5
Every year, there is the normal depletion and elevation of players on the top team at any club. Most expected some moves from many clubs with the loss of GDA and the creation of new leagues. So far, this is what I know of some of the movements with NTH. Do you think this is a normal ebb n flow or something more and why? 2003 - Unknown 2004 - 6 2005 - 5 2006 - Unknown 2007 - 5, no 8, wait 11, you know what, maybe whole team 🤦♂️ 2008 - 5 Even with the loss of these players that were probably developed at and recruited from other clubs I would imagine what’s left should be able to handle West Florida and Weston twice a year. I find this so funny. 5 from the 08s? 😂😂😂 Oh the rumors of a child’rens club. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 24, 2020 15:39:33 GMT -5
Even with the loss of these players that were probably developed at and recruited from other clubs I would imagine what’s left should be able to handle West Florida and Weston twice a year. I find this so funny. 5 from the 08s? 😂😂😂 Oh the rumors of a child’rens club. Curios as to if you find the numbers overall wrong or just the 2008s specifically? I am 100% sure about my numbers, so if you're unaware of which 2008s please private message me and we can discuss specifics... and nope I do not hate TH or have an axe to grind with TH or any other TH hubris you may want to attach to my post...🤔 |
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Post by atlutd17 on May 24, 2020 16:09:22 GMT -5
In two long threads about NTH and ECNL, I find very interesting the fact it's all about the shiny league and there is ZERO talk on the coaching staff like it doesn't matter one bit.
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Post by shaka on May 24, 2020 17:05:14 GMT -5
I find this so funny. 5 from the 08s? 😂😂😂 Oh the rumors of a child’rens club. Curios as to if you find the numbers overall wrong or just the 2008s specifically? I am 100% sure about my numbers, so if you're unaware of which 2008s please private message me and we can discuss specifics... and nope I do not hate TH or have an axe to grind with TH or any other TH hubris you may want to attach to my post...🤔 So you want to discuss with crazzzy which 11 & 12 year old girls are leaving/staying at NTH? Really? |
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Post by oldhat on May 24, 2020 17:26:59 GMT -5
Curios as to if you find the numbers overall wrong or just the 2008s specifically? I am 100% sure about my numbers, so if you're unaware of which 2008s please private message me and we can discuss specifics... and nope I do not hate TH or have an axe to grind with TH or any other TH hubris you may want to attach to my post...🤔 So you want to discuss with crazzzy which 11 & 12 year old girls are leaving/staying at NTH? Really? |
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Post by oldhat on May 24, 2020 17:28:08 GMT -5
It is more about the philosophy of the club toward attaining players and the fallout from those choices than the individual girls themselves.
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Post by atlutd17 on May 24, 2020 21:16:34 GMT -5
There is something seriously wrong with the whole youth soccer landscape. Will take time and can only hope the MLS and USYS will finally fix this mess. A paper dog chasing and asbestos cat through hell has a better chance than MLS fixing youth soccer. USL Academy might actually be a more promising structure. |
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Post by baller84 on May 24, 2020 22:08:53 GMT -5
A paper dog chasing and asbestos cat through hell has a better chance than MLS fixing youth soccer. USL Academy might actually be a more promising structure. I understand that's an option only if you're a USL club. |
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Post by atlutd17 on May 24, 2020 22:16:32 GMT -5
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Post by BubbleDad on May 24, 2020 22:27:20 GMT -5
I can't tell Tophat is under pressure. Slots have already been filled for 06G top 4 teams.
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Post by collegesoccer on May 24, 2020 22:48:16 GMT -5
In life people will always move and always think things are better elsewhere. Now with these players moving time to remember, next in line let's go. TOPHAT WILL NOT FAIL. WE WILL STEP UP AND WISH THE GIRLS WHO LEFT BEST OF LUCK I don't really know the girls but I talk with some of the parents and it seem more about location and opportunity than the failure of Tophat. To each their own not every team fits. every player especially when the coaches don't know the players. I’ve already heard who some of the players who are coming to Tophat - they are better than some who are leaving. It’s going to be an interesting year. |
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Post by gunner on May 25, 2020 0:14:51 GMT -5
I don't really know the girls but I talk with some of the parents and it seem more about location and opportunity than the failure of Tophat. To each their own not every team fits. every player especially when the coaches don't know the players. I’ve already heard who some of the players who are coming to Tophat - they are better than some who are leaving. It’s going to be an interesting year. I have watch the girls play that left and if you think they are not good soccer players you are just entertaining yourself with Tophat tactics. Keep in mind your only as strong as your weakest person.... sad when that's your coach coaching to many teams and with no real connection with the players. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 25, 2020 1:48:44 GMT -5
Curios as to if you find the numbers overall wrong or just the 2008s specifically? I am 100% sure about my numbers, so if you're unaware of which 2008s please private message me and we can discuss specifics... and nope I do not hate TH or have an axe to grind with TH or any other TH hubris you may want to attach to my post...🤔 So you want to discuss with crazzzy which 11 & 12 year old girls are leaving/staying at NTH? Really? You are completely right, for a moment, I let the TH Hubris and naysayers get to me. No excuses, my apologies everyone 🙏🙏🙏 |
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Post by collegesoccer on May 25, 2020 6:40:49 GMT -5
I’ve already heard who some of the players who are coming to Tophat - they are better than some who are leaving. It’s going to be an interesting year. I have watch the girls play that left and if you think they are not good soccer players you are just entertaining yourself with Tophat tactics. Keep in mind your only as strong as your weakest person.... sad when that's your coach coaching to many teams and with no real connection with the players. Slow down and read - take a breath. No one said the players leaving weren’t good. They would not have been at Tophat if they weren’t good. I said players who are coming this year are better than some who are leaving. Also, some who are leaving we’re the source of drama on the teams. The teams will have better culture without them. Tophat will be fine. And your child’s team will be fine with Tophat old players. It’s all good. |
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Post by Soccerphreak on May 25, 2020 7:59:38 GMT -5
I don't really know the girls but I talk with some of the parents and it seem more about location and opportunity than the failure of Tophat. To each their own not every team fits. every player especially when the coaches don't know the players. I’ve already heard who some of the players who are coming to Tophat - they are better than some who are leaving. It’s going to be an interesting year. Are you really lying to yourself? In what age group are you expecting better talent? The top players have already left the 04 05 06 and 07 teams. All of the top players on the various ECNL teams stayed put and the ones who got cut are the ones you are referencing so put the pipe down sir and stop trying to convince yourself otherwise. |
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Post by Soccerphreak on May 25, 2020 8:14:53 GMT -5
2003 - Unknown
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As always you are correct. I just wanted to add an update
06 - 3 players (their leading goal scorer left and its rumored that one of their players is moving up to the 05 team) this one is pretty hush as they dont want the team to find out to avoid any further movement.
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Post by soccergirldad on May 25, 2020 8:23:25 GMT -5
2003 - Unknown 2004 - 6 2005 - 5 2006 - Unknown 2007 - 5, no 8, wait 11, you know what, maybe whole team 🤦♂️ 2008 - 5 As always you are correct. I just wanted to add an update 06 - 3 players (their leading goal scorer left and its rumored that one of their players is moving up to the 05 team) this one is pretty hush as they dont want the team to find out to avoid any further movement. True. Heard from a parent that a former 06 TH player(leading scorer) is now on Concorde's 05 team (Platinum) and the TH 05 keeper(Originally from Concorde) and defender is on the same Concorde team. |
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Post by holding on May 25, 2020 8:38:26 GMT -5
2003 - Unknown 2004 - 6 2005 - 5 2006 - Unknown 2007 - 5, no 8, wait 11, you know what, maybe whole team 🤦♂️ 2008 - 5 As always you are correct. I just wanted to add an update 06 - 3 players (their leading goal scorer left and its rumored that one of their players is moving up to the 05 team) this one is pretty hush as they dont want the team to find out to avoid any further movement. Nothing like being honest with everyone so they can make the best decision for their kids in case that might impact their decision. [/quote] |
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Post by justwatching on May 25, 2020 10:13:47 GMT -5
So it is very sad what happened to that 07 TH team and how it seems to have happened but to one degree it speaks pretty highly of TH and the quality of talent they have at the club. It shouldn't be lost that you have 9 kids go from TH to Concorde top team and displace their current kids. Sucks for those Concorde players but I guess Concorde sees a significant difference in players between the two. I'm not sure what the total number of new players are on that Concorde 07 Platinum team but there are at least 10.
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Post by fgug on May 25, 2020 10:58:12 GMT -5
So it is very sad what happened to that 07 TH team and how it seems to have happened but to one degree it speaks pretty highly of TH and the quality of talent they have at the club. It shouldn't be lost that you have 9 kids go from TH to Concorde top team and displace their current kids. Sucks for those Concorde players but I guess Concorde sees a significant difference in players between the two. I'm not sure what the total number of new players are on that Concorde 07 Platinum team but there are at least 10. I couldn’t agree more. It Concorde prefers 9 TH players rather than its own, theres not much else to say in terms of perceived quality. |
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Post by greenmonkey on May 25, 2020 10:59:47 GMT -5
So it is very sad what happened to that 07 TH team and how it seems to have happened but to one degree it speaks pretty highly of TH and the quality of talent they have at the club. It shouldn't be lost that you have 9 kids go from TH to Concorde top team and displace their current kids. Sucks for those Concorde players but I guess Concorde sees a significant difference in players between the two. I'm not sure what the total number of new players are on that Concorde 07 Platinum team but there are at least 10. And likewise a few years ago players left Concorde North 06 and completely displaced a Tophat Gold team. And the UFA 07 or 08 team that displaced the Tophat team. And an “entire team” from somewhere that relocated to Tophat Milton (was that the 03s a few years ago) and Honeybadger had half a 05 team leave AFU for UFA and on and on and on ... This is not a new occurrence. Players follow coaches or other players or leagues all the time! |
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Post by soccergurl on May 25, 2020 11:33:41 GMT -5
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Post by nunyah on May 25, 2020 12:13:24 GMT -5
I think it's hilarious that people post on this forum, thinking they are covert or incognito, when everyone knows exactly who they are.
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Post by justwatching on May 25, 2020 13:50:25 GMT -5
So it is very sad what happened to that 07 TH team and how it seems to have happened but to one degree it speaks pretty highly of TH and the quality of talent they have at the club. It shouldn't be lost that you have 9 kids go from TH to Concorde top team and displace their current kids. Sucks for those Concorde players but I guess Concorde sees a significant difference in players between the two. I'm not sure what the total number of new players are on that Concorde 07 Platinum team but there are at least 10. And likewise a few years ago players left Concorde North 06 and completely displaced a Tophat Gold team. And the UFA 07 or 08 team that displaced the Tophat team. And an “entire team” from somewhere that relocated to Tophat Milton (was that the 03s a few years ago) and Honeybadger had half a 05 team leave AFU for UFA and on and on and on ... This is not a new occurrence. Players follow coaches or other players or leagues all the time! Looking at last year's teams' make up I'm not so sure this comment has a lot of truth to it but that probably goes for a significant percentage of posts on this forum. |
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Post by rifle on May 25, 2020 14:00:53 GMT -5
I think it's hilarious that people post on this forum, thinking they are covert or incognito, when everyone knows exactly who they are. beats the old anonymous forum. At least there is continuity of user names to grow some trust over time. I think the forum would be even more useful with actual names... but I do appreciate that some want to avoid accountability for the words thrown around. |
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Post by oldhat on May 25, 2020 21:15:38 GMT -5
Rumors are only 4 girls are staying. Two field players that use to play at NTH North and the two keepers. All of the Buckhead players are leaving. All of the players that came from other clubs are leaving. I guess the Buckhead players and imports understood that Tophat would show no loyalty to them in the future and so they showed no loyalty back to Tophat. Totally understandable. Here is thing. Other clubs are doing the same thing now. They are taking these ex-Tophat players and showing no loyalty to their own players. Could Tophat use this as an opportunity to differentiate themselves from other clubs in a new way and show some loyalty to players at their own club? There was a 07 Gold team at North the year before last. They were not as technical or big as the 07 Buckhead Gold, but they were a very good team. They all enjoyed playing with and for each other. The were unselfish and played as a team. They even beat the Buckhead team in the finals of a tournament 4-1 after losing to them 3-0 earlier in the same tournament. They would beat all of teams with the players that Tophat is going to look at now. All of the North girls are still in the club on the top three teams, except for 2. They left because they had ECNL offers and had to commit before Tophat had made up their mind and sent out offers. All of those girls would play together again in a heart beat. But instead of looking within...... Tophat could become the club that everyone fights to get into early and becomes known for developing their own great talent. They have great coaches and facilities. But I think it will come down to the fact that when you look at a new player you see possibility and potential. When you look at a player you know you tend to see flaws or limitations. Tophat has some new potential as a club, but Tophat will probably keep trying the same thing it is known for now. OMG...is TH showing some loyalty....heard that 8 former 07North girls are now on Gold. 4 are on DPL. Milton has gotten rid of all non-Milton 07 girls players. Will Milton soon be a completely separate entity from the rest of NTH? |
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Post by soccerelite11 on May 25, 2020 22:34:18 GMT -5
Rumors are flying about the 07 Girls abandoning ship and heading for ECNL programs. Is it happening at other age groups? Without ECNL can Tophat recruit the Top talent? Will Tophat promote from within? Are those girls from 2nd and 3rd teams that could supposedly beat most clubs 1st teams really that talented? Or will Tophat go for other clubs 1st team leftovers? Is Tophat planning just for what is best for next year or what is best for the club in 5-10 years? Stay tuned and find out in the next exciting episode of "As the Tophat World Turns." Yippee. Another post where people are obsessing over Tophat but trying to act like they really don’t care. Nobody gives a crap about top hat. The moderators of this forum should have a limit on the number of top hat posts allowed each week. We have hit the discuss at ad nauseom level long ago. |
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