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Post by mistercalcio on Jul 18, 2020 21:28:32 GMT -5
I’m constantly amazed at how non-empathetic some of the posters on this forum are. It’s a cliche that having children makes you look at the world in a different way but some of you consistently prove to be the exceptions to that rule.
How ridiculous do you want to sound when you constantly post things referring to flu comparisons, “so many more people die in car crashes!”, “the risk levels are so low for groups A, B, and C!”, etc etc etc. A psychologist could have a field day with some of the statements posted so seriously on here.
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Post by atlsoccerdad on Jul 18, 2020 21:39:34 GMT -5
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Post by rifle on Jul 18, 2020 21:59:59 GMT -5
It is amazing that the data isn’t transparent. I’d like to do things like sort by BMI, by age, etc to try to see statistical trends. Not sure how that type of data can account for comorbidities but surely there is a way to publish. The data I have seen only list a yes or no for comorbidity It would be interesting to see a breakdown. Age Gender Race Comorbidity 37 Female Black No 57 Female Black No 58 Female Black Yes 61 Female Black Yes 65 Female Black Yes 66 Female Black Yes 66 Male White Unknown 69 Male Black Yes 71 Female Black Yes 74 Male Black Yes 74 Female Black Yes 74 Female Unknown Unknown 75 Female White Yes 81 Male Black No 82 Female White Yes Where have you even found that much? A full or live data set that you can probe with a tableau-style interface would be pretty interesting. |
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Post by rifle on Jul 18, 2020 22:03:46 GMT -5
I’m constantly amazed at how non-empathetic some of the posters on this forum are. It’s a cliche that having children makes you look at the world in a different way but some of you consistently prove to be the exceptions to that rule. How ridiculous do you want to sound when you constantly post things referring to flu comparisons, “so many more people die in car crashes!”, “the risk levels are so low for groups A, B, and C!”, etc etc etc. A psychologist could have a field day with some of the statements posted so seriously on here. Who can remember the uproar over “death panels” a couple years ago? Pretty ironic, don’t you think? This country needs a reality check because fiction has become normalized. |
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Post by bogan on Jul 18, 2020 22:05:30 GMT -5
The data I have seen only list a yes or no for comorbidity It would be interesting to see a breakdown. Age Gender Race Comorbidity 37 Female Black No 57 Female Black No 58 Female Black Yes 61 Female Black Yes 65 Female Black Yes 66 Female Black Yes 66 Male White Unknown 69 Male Black Yes 71 Female Black Yes 74 Male Black Yes 74 Female Black Yes 74 Female Unknown Unknown 75 Female White Yes 81 Male Black No 82 Female White Yes Where have you even found that much? A full or live data set that you can probe with a tableau-style interface would be pretty interesting. District 4 health services |
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Post by rifle on Jul 18, 2020 22:08:51 GMT -5
Where have you even found that much? A full or live data set that you can probe with a tableau-style interface would be pretty interesting. District 4 health services link? |
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Post by bogan on Jul 18, 2020 22:18:19 GMT -5
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Post by mistergrinch on Jul 19, 2020 9:25:52 GMT -5
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Post by atlsoccerdad on Jul 19, 2020 10:50:57 GMT -5
We all know kids are germ parades. Combine this with the fact that they are also largely Covid asymptomatic spreaders and I am a little worried about what happens when they start mingling with other clubs especially in other hotspot states. But the truth is - we will be VERY upset if/when the season gets canceled.. This is currently our kids only outlet for managing this pandemic stress. |
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Post by bogan on Jul 19, 2020 11:30:41 GMT -5
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Post by ball2futbol on Jul 19, 2020 14:07:20 GMT -5
We all know kids are germ parades. Combine this with the fact that they are also largely Covid asymptomatic spreaders and I am a little worried about what happens when they start mingling with other clubs especially in other hotspot states. But the truth is - we will be VERY upset if/when the season gets canceled.. This is currently our kids only outlet for managing this pandemic stress. I could be completely off base. But if the trend here and other metros in surrounding states going virtual or at minimum some hybrid version of school, one can assume, provides a greater chance of an actual fall soccer season. Guess the trick is getting to that starting point to begin with. Could be my itchiness towards watching everyone play again, but the thought crossed my mind this morning. I'm just looking for bright spots! I certainly haven't seen any supportive information other than indoor vs outdoor transmission rates. Like you said can't imagine the mental and emotional stress at this age without an outlet to lean on during these times. I haven't heard anyone on either side disagree with the importance of youth rec activities. |
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Post by soccerspin on Jul 19, 2020 15:04:37 GMT -5
While I continue to hope for a fall soccer season, I don’t see how full virtual schooling helps to support that cause. If kids’ mental health and socialization concerns were a priority, we would’ve found a way to support some form of in-person school learning (as private schools and colleges have done).
That aside, if mask requirements and social distancing rules could not be followed in school, thus put pressure on them to go full virtual, how can contact sports be allowed when they don’t wear masks or socially distance? I understand inside vs outside air and duration of exposure may matter, but even those two concepts continue to be debated by doctors. (And when speaking of duration I’m not just talking during game play but also when the kids are standing around... on the sidelines or otherwise. Are they really 6ft apart? Hardly.)
And finally, even if there is a decision to allow our kids to continue sports in some fashion during this challenging time, it doesn’t mean they will allow for large gatherings (games and/or tournaments) or contact (games and scrimmages). It may mean going back to training sessions 6ft apart and/or in small groups.
That said, I still have my fingers crossed for some sort of season (with real training and actual games), but I’m not optimistic about it at all given where we are today.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jul 20, 2020 7:26:23 GMT -5
You are mixing the antibody test and the normal covid-19 test up. There are some antibody tests that can not distinguish between antibodies for covid-19 and other covid viruses, but there are also some that can. It depends on what antibody test you get, but none of those are the actual swab up the nose covid-19 test. Those only look for the covid-19 virus no others. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jul 20, 2020 7:41:21 GMT -5
I’m constantly amazed at how non-empathetic some of the posters on this forum are. It’s a cliche that having children makes you look at the world in a different way but some of you consistently prove to be the exceptions to that rule. How ridiculous do you want to sound when you constantly post things referring to flu comparisons, “so many more people die in car crashes!”, “the risk levels are so low for groups A, B, and C!”, etc etc etc. A psychologist could have a field day with some of the statements posted so seriously on here. Well here is the deal dude. I do care about people dying, but people do die everyday for things that we take bigger risks on everyday. I am a logical person. Stats and logic should prevail in any government regulations or measures. The fact is the mortality rate in people Under 1 to 17 in GA the last time I checked was 0.011%. Go look at the mortality rate for flu, accidents (accidents can be car or other), etc.... you can see yourself that the risk is a lot more in kids for those things than this virus. It seems as if people comparing it to the flu is a dog whistle for you, but I'm sorry while some people comparing certain stats with this virus to the flu is wrong, in my examples it is not. The flu kills more kids than this virus does and that is statistical fact. I'm not changing numbers to fit my narrative. I am simply dividing number of deaths by number of cases and coming up with that number. Anyone that has a elementary school math education can do it. So in my opinion when we start doing statistical analysis on the virus for kids and also go even further and take out people with severe comorbidities (conditions that people were already getting treated for and had a lower quality of life due to it like diabetes, morbid obesity, etc...) we can even find valid stats that show the mortality rate in healthy individuals is about as low as a bad flu season as well and also about even with risk of death by accident. My point is we can't make policy for 80% of Americans to protect the 20% that are unhealthy or older. You will do far more damage economically which will lead to poverty, famine, suicides, and other means of deaths than you will help protecting the vulnerable. No matter what you do someone is going to die. The point should be to have a policy that balances deaths by the economy going to hell and deaths from covid to some happy medium. Its clear that we are starting to do a better job protecting our vulnerable older folks as the death rate is going down and the average age of death is going down as well which means either the older folks are heeding warnings to protect themselves or our policies have protected them. This also means we don't have to shut down the entire country to accomplish this either. It seems to me that we can do 95% of normal just by wearing masks and good personal hygiene and keeping old and people with conditions isolated. That is what we should do. Open as much as we can (that means in person school and sporting events), and just be responsible at these events. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jul 20, 2020 7:50:57 GMT -5
While I continue to hope for a fall soccer season, I don’t see how full virtual schooling helps to support that cause. If kids’ mental health and socialization concerns were a priority, we would’ve found a way to support some form of in-person school learning (as private schools and colleges have done). That aside, if mask requirements and social distancing rules could not be followed in school, thus put pressure on them to go full virtual, how can contact sports be allowed when they don’t wear masks or socially distance? I understand inside vs outside air and duration of exposure may matter, but even those two concepts continue to be debated by doctors. (And when speaking of duration I’m not just talking during game play but also when the kids are standing around... on the sidelines or otherwise. Are they really 6ft apart? Hardly.) And finally, even if there is a decision to allow our kids to continue sports in some fashion during this challenging time, it doesn’t mean they will allow for large gatherings (games and/or tournaments) or contact (games and scrimmages). It may mean going back to training sessions 6ft apart and/or in small groups. That said, I still have my fingers crossed for some sort of season (with real training and actual games), but I’m not optimistic about it at all given where we are today. Well I'm still holding out hope that some counties will have in-person school and fight the trend all the more blue and purple large counties are pushing, and I hate to put it that way, but it is pretty clear who is in favor of in-person school and who isn't and it splits very neatly with whether the county is blue/purple or red. Coweta is still planning to have two options (online and in-person) as is Gwinnett and other outer suburb counties. In Coweta 71% of parents opted for in-person school. So I'm hoping the school board will listen to its constituents and keep that option open. I'm actually more irritated at this point of all the people without kids and people with kids that chose the online option and never intended to send their kids to in-person school getting their choice but now trying to stop the majority (71% in my county) of parents from having their choice. It irritates me because it stinks of "Karen" and "busy bodies". If you have your choice and your choice doesn't effect me then let me have my choice for my family as it doesn't effect you. Most of all I'm irritated that teachers are not wanting to go back and they get to tell their employer (both the school district and the tax payers) how and what they will do, when if any of us did that to our employers we would be fired. |
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Jul 20, 2020 8:51:03 GMT -5
Gwinnett county schools just announced fall digital so another big county
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Post by ga3v3 on Jul 20, 2020 9:05:23 GMT -5
While I continue to hope for a fall soccer season, I don’t see how full virtual schooling helps to support that cause. If kids’ mental health and socialization concerns were a priority, we would’ve found a way to support some form of in-person school learning (as private schools and colleges have done). That aside, if mask requirements and social distancing rules could not be followed in school, thus put pressure on them to go full virtual, how can contact sports be allowed when they don’t wear masks or socially distance? I understand inside vs outside air and duration of exposure may matter, but even those two concepts continue to be debated by doctors. (And when speaking of duration I’m not just talking during game play but also when the kids are standing around... on the sidelines or otherwise. Are they really 6ft apart? Hardly.) And finally, even if there is a decision to allow our kids to continue sports in some fashion during this challenging time, it doesn’t mean they will allow for large gatherings (games and/or tournaments) or contact (games and scrimmages). It may mean going back to training sessions 6ft apart and/or in small groups. That said, I still have my fingers crossed for some sort of season (with real training and actual games), but I’m not optimistic about it at all given where we are today. Well I'm still holding out hope that some counties will have in-person school and fight the trend all the more blue and purple large counties are pushing, and I hate to put it that way, but it is pretty clear who is in favor of in-person school and who isn't and it splits very neatly with whether the county is blue/purple or red. Coweta is still planning to have two options (online and in-person) as is Gwinnett and other outer suburb counties. In Coweta 71% of parents opted for in-person school. So I'm hoping the school board will listen to its constituents and keep that option open. I'm actually more irritated at this point of all the people without kids and people with kids that chose the online option and never intended to send their kids to in-person school getting their choice but now trying to stop the majority (71% in my county) of parents from having their choice. It irritates me because it stinks of "Karen" and "busy bodies". If you have your choice and your choice doesn't effect me then let me have my choice for my family as it doesn't effect you. Most of all I'm irritated that teachers are not wanting to go back and they get to tell their employer (both the school district and the tax payers) how and what they will do, when if any of us did that to our employers we would be fired. If the employer(local system)caves it’s on them not the employees. As far as being fired for telling an employer what they will do depends on how valuable the employees are. One other thing to consider Are substitute teachers who are not in high numbers to begin with. Once a tea her comes down and quarantined for at least 2 weeks you’ve basically have a long term sub. Multiply that by 3-5 teachers or more per school at any given time and you have no teachers for certain classes. What do you do with those students, how long is their curriculum disrupted and what is the end result in quality? Would it be better for an overall stable environment to have all teachers and students to work digitally from the beginning of the semester? Just a hypothetical but to me it seems a fairly likely Scenario to me.... |
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Post by USoCcer on Jul 20, 2020 9:44:13 GMT -5
Gwinnett county schools just announced fall digital so another big county That's interesting. Last week in the AJC, it said they had a virtual school board meeting that crashed due to the number of participants that tried to attend. Article stated at that time, there was only 1 school board member who favored digital learning. The rest were favoring a return to in person learning |
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Post by rifle on Jul 20, 2020 11:57:57 GMT -5
Slickdaddy96: thanks for being reasonable with your discussion points. They definitely made me think.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jul 20, 2020 13:18:06 GMT -5
Ooh! I have an idea! Kids in school and teachers at home.  |
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Post by bogan on Jul 20, 2020 13:21:41 GMT -5
Ooh! I have an idea! Kids in school and teachers at home. 🤔hmmmm. |
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Post by fridge on Jul 20, 2020 13:43:25 GMT -5
Slickdaddy, I showed similar data Friday and asked someone/anyone to give a data driven (e.g. objective) answer of when we can go to school in person. Crickets. No objective metric offered. I truly think people are so fearful and emotional about this that they want zero deaths zero hospitalizations. This is a virus, no deaths are impossible. Like I said Friday, look at the NE where the death tolls really cannot go any lower--yet most schools are going virtual. (That said, the invitation is still there-- I'd love to know where the goal posts are planted.)
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Post by honeybadger on Jul 20, 2020 14:42:18 GMT -5
Slickdaddy96 and fridge: spot on. We all know why the "crisis" is happening , though people don't want to mention it. It's so obvious this is so overblown if you'd just watch who is leading the march. But we can't say it or the "experts" on this board who will hammer us for it.
Of course, the virus is real. But all I know is this: I know two couples PERSONALLY here in Ga who went to get a covid test. Signed the paperwork, stood in line, got tired of waiting. Went. Got notified by mail they had covid-though they weren't tested. My own family in Birmingham went and got tested. He tested positive. The other 4 members of the house hold did not. They doctor wrote down "5 caes of covid" even though he was the only one tested. Gee, why would they do that?
I know for a fact 334 test centers in Florida reported on one particular day that all 5,000 people tested were positive. That is statistically impossible. You be be in a closed room of 5,000 people breathing on eacher and not all 5,000 would get COVID. Either the Tampa or Orlando newstation did an investigative story on it (google it if you need to I forget which station) and found one center who reported 100% positive in their database actually had 9.4% positive results.
You know, it's kind of like whenever the ballot boxes stuffed with votes are found in a dumpster after an election and the precinct claims it was just a mistake, the ballots just happen to always be the votes of one particular party. I'll let you all decide which party seems to always get screwed by the "mistake".
You know, it's kind of like whenever the voting machine has a "malfunction" it just always seem to be on people who voted for one party but the vote registered it as a vote for the other party. I'll let you all decide which party seems to have this happen to.
So yes, I'll compare it to the flu if I want to (I know, the Bill Nye Soccer Science guys on this board will laugh at comparing it to the flu) because in the end, we are talking risk of death or illness from a virus. CV19 is no worse than the flu.
If you are willing to shutdown the country for CV19 but not a bad flu season, you are either being scared to death by the media, or you are a hypocrite in my opinion.
Here are the major pandemics since I was born that were categorized as world wide/US only that killed the most.
1968-70: Hong Kong flu 1-3 million dead
1981 to present: AIDS/HIV 32 million +
2009: Swine flu 150,000-575,000 deaths
2017: US flu 45,000-96,000 US deaths
2019-present: COVID19 As of CDC numbers today 140,000 deaths in the US (and we know they are counting people who may have had 5 complications and if 1 of them happened to be covid the death was listed as covid. I know this because that female doctor on Trump's task force SAID they did that). Only my opinion but based on the stuff I wrote above that I personally know about, I'd say actual CV19 deaths are more likely 100,000 (in line with the seasonal flu of 2017). And that;s just my opinion.
Kids need to be out in the sun, and they need to be learning in person because digital learning doesn't work in schools that are in poor areas where a 13 year old is having to digitally learn while baby sitting younger siblings because both parents have to work. I witnessed that this spring because I teach in one of those schools.
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Post by USoCcer on Jul 20, 2020 14:42:41 GMT -5
Slickdaddy, I showed similar data Friday and asked someone/anyone to give a data driven (e.g. objective) answer of when we can go to school in person. Crickets. No objective metric offered. I truly think people are so fearful and emotional about this that they want zero deaths zero hospitalizations. This is a virus, no deaths are impossible. Like I said Friday, look at the NE where the death tolls really cannot go any lower--yet most schools are going virtual. (That said, the invitation is still there-- I'd love to know where the goal posts are planted.) You will never know where the goal posts are planted. Fulton and Gwinnett said "community spread" was the reason. When you argue "community spread" that covers you for an awful lot. So far, I think Cherokee is the first to go back to in person school on Aug 3rd as it stands now. That's just two weeks from today. 23% of Cherokee parents opted for digital learning. Yet 80 people protested the opening of schools in Cherokee at a school board meeting even though those parents had a digital learning choice. So what happens when children get sick with Covid when they are at home digital learning? Do we shut down digital learning? (It's a joke) |
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Post by atlutd17 on Jul 20, 2020 15:05:03 GMT -5
Clubs plan to be open for business this fall (it's a must to survive) until US Club and USYS make a decision by August.
US Club, USYS plan for business as usual until governors/mayors make a move followed by county, city and park authorities.
In that context while it looks unlikely there will be competitions across state lines (as that would require coordination under same policies that don't exist), there may be some states that will play or at least start playing next month and let the chips fall where they may.
The kids need to play and the healthy lifestyle, but weighing the trade off with the alternatives and consequences is a tall order and varies based on whom you ask.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jul 20, 2020 15:09:41 GMT -5
Slickdaddy, I showed similar data Friday and asked someone/anyone to give a data driven (e.g. objective) answer of when we can go to school in person. Crickets. No objective metric offered. I truly think people are so fearful and emotional about this that they want zero deaths zero hospitalizations. This is a virus, no deaths are impossible. Like I said Friday, look at the NE where the death tolls really cannot go any lower--yet most schools are going virtual. (That said, the invitation is still there-- I'd love to know where the goal posts are planted.) You will never know where the goal posts are planted. Fulton and Gwinnett said "community spread" was the reason. When you argue "community spread" that covers you for an awful lot. So far, I think Cherokee is the first to go back to in person school on Aug 3rd as it stands now. That's just two weeks from today. 23% of Cherokee parents opted for digital learning. Yet 80 people protested the opening of schools in Cherokee at a school board meeting even though those parents had a digital learning choice. So what happens when children get sick with Covid when they are at home digital learning? Do we shut down digital learning? (It's a joke) The dirty little secret about those protestors are that it isn't many families with school aged kids. It is people in the county without kids and teachers who don't want to go back to work, but we can't speak ill of the teachers. I have family members who are teachers, and none of them are complaining. They are going to do what their employer says to do as it should be. The teachers that don't want to go back need to quit their job. Now I understand if you have a very bad condition that is most susceptible to this, but most of the teachers that are complaining about this don't fit in that category. If the teacher problem is so bad, I do have a solution one school board member suggested to me recently. Why not get these student teachers to be in class for the teachers that have health issues or are older and have the older teacher log-in via Zoom or whatever and they are there the whole time while the student teacher teaches since student teachers are younger and not as susceptible to this, and also they have to teach classes anyway to get their degree in education, so it kills two birds with one stone. |
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Post by soccerspin on Jul 20, 2020 15:11:47 GMT -5
And they’ll make those decisions right after all the club and player registration fees have been paid...
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Post by bogan on Jul 20, 2020 15:12:32 GMT -5
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Post by 2316 on Jul 20, 2020 15:25:40 GMT -5
You are correct about Cherokee having a digital learning choice. However, being a parent of Cherokee students we discovered by talking to county school leaders, principals and athletics directors that the current digital solution is not NCAA approved. A waiver has been requested; however this waiver may not be granted until December 2020 and if the waiver is rejected then all the work the student has completed will not be recognized by the NCAA. If you have a child that is interested in playing sports at a NCAA school you have to take that into consideration; a chance that the waiver isn’t accepted. That’s the unfortunate situation in Cherokee for those interested in having their child opt into the digital learning program.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jul 20, 2020 15:59:41 GMT -5
Recently also the national and local media also states that hospitals were full and assuming they were covid-19 patients. A honest doctor in Athens spoke out and said that only 10% of their hospital beds are covid-19 right now. The rest are patients that had put off surgeries and other people with other conditions. So lets think about this, how much is this going on throughout the country and the national media is just spouting off hospital capacity issues and not breaking down those numbers to actual covid patients compared to other things. I hope more honest doctors start coming out and calling BS when they see it. |
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