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Post by mistergrinch on Sept 3, 2020 13:36:18 GMT -5
BREAKING: #PennState's director of athletic medicine, Wayne Sebastianelli, says that cardiac MRI scans revealed that roughly 30-35 percent of Big Ten athletes who tested positive for COVID-19 appeared to have myocarditis. t.co/md4p1IoaLhwell, that's not good |
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Post by fridge on Sept 3, 2020 14:19:56 GMT -5
I question the significance of this for a few reasons. First, NFL/NBA/NHL/MLS/etc all are playing and if this issue were truly significant one would expect them not go play. Second, if it were that serious, you would expect more players to opt out--whether they are professionals or not. Third, SEC, ACC and Big 12 also had this info and their assessment is to play. Fourth, while there have been hundreds of games that have occurred to date, there has not been a cardiac event. (And, I know there could be at some point God forbid, but just like there are several cardiac events each year from high school to college to pro). Which means that if a kid doesn't want to play Big Ten football due to this cardiac issue as outlined by this article, they have every right to opt out and hope the heart inflammation gets better for next year. (I also read that when this heart issue was raised weeks ago by the Big Ten, a U of Michigan cardiologist said it was not reliable which may be a reason the other leagues did not rely on it.)
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 3, 2020 14:26:33 GMT -5
I question the significance of this for a few reasons. First, NFL/NBA/NHL/MLS/etc all are playing and if this issue were truly significant one would expect them not go play. Second, if it were that serious, you would expect more players to opt out--whether they are professionals or not. Third, SEC, ACC and Big 12 also had this info and their assessment is to play. Fourth, while there have been hundreds of games that have occurred to date, there has not been a cardiac event. (And, I know there could be at some point God forbid, but just like there are several cardiac events each year from high school to college to pro). Which means that if a kid doesn't want to play Big Ten football due to this cardiac issue as outlined by this article, they have every right to opt out and hope the heart inflammation gets better for next year. (I also read that when this heart issue was raised weeks ago by the Big Ten, a U of Michigan cardiologist said it was not reliable which may be a reason the other leagues did not rely on it.) This is all very true. My guess is that the pros are also getting scanned if they test positive but are either not finding that they have myocarditis or are electing to take the risk of playing if it is deemed mild. This disease is still too new to draw conclusions at this point. I just hope no one DOES die as a result of playing sports after having COVID and myocarditis. As an aside, who knows how many of us have myocarditis after a bunch of other illnesses? Could be that we do after the flu or cold or GI bug but don't know it because we were not scanned. Trying to gather a lot of information in a short time means we are going to have stuff that possibly is not relevant but you cannot know until it is all over. |
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Post by footyfan on Sept 3, 2020 14:33:19 GMT -5
I question the significance of this for a few reasons. First, NFL/NBA/NHL/MLS/etc all are playing and if this issue were truly significant one would expect them not go play. Second, if it were that serious, you would expect more players to opt out--whether they are professionals or not. Third, SEC, ACC and Big 12 also had this info and their assessment is to play. Fourth, while there have been hundreds of games that have occurred to date, there has not been a cardiac event. (And, I know there could be at some point God forbid, but just like there are several cardiac events each year from high school to college to pro). Which means that if a kid doesn't want to play Big Ten football due to this cardiac issue as outlined by this article, they have every right to opt out and hope the heart inflammation gets better for next year. (I also read that when this heart issue was raised weeks ago by the Big Ten, a U of Michigan cardiologist said it was not reliable which may be a reason the other leagues did not rely on it.) This is all very true. My guess is that the pros are also getting scanned if they test positive but are either not finding that they have myocarditis or are electing to take the risk of playing if it is deemed mild. This disease is still too new to draw conclusions at this point. I just hope no one DOES die as a result of playing sports after having COVID and myocarditis. As an aside, who knows how many of us have myocarditis after a bunch of other illnesses? Could be that we do after the flu or cold or GI bug but don't know it because we were not scanned. Trying to gather a lot of information in a short time means we are going to have stuff that possibly is not relevant but you cannot know until it is all over. I agree with this assessment. |
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Post by flix on Sept 3, 2020 14:33:33 GMT -5
I don’t understand how high schools are conducting virtual classes but the football teams go to the schools and practice?
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Post by bogan on Sept 3, 2020 14:37:23 GMT -5
I don’t understand how high schools are conducting virtual classes but the football teams go to the schools and practice? Well, this is the South... |
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Post by Keeper on Sept 3, 2020 15:18:40 GMT -5
I don’t understand how high schools are conducting virtual classes but the football teams go to the schools and practice? Money. It’s all about them Benjamin’s. Same reason some conferences are playing football and some aren’t. |
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Post by kidsocceruber on Sept 3, 2020 15:23:05 GMT -5
I don’t understand how high schools are conducting virtual classes but the football teams go to the schools and practice? Just heard today that there is a covid case that has put a 2 week suspension of all football activity. I'm not sure if it's just at our High School or in Fulton County. |
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Post by bogan on Sept 3, 2020 15:26:16 GMT -5
I don’t understand how high schools are conducting virtual classes but the football teams go to the schools and practice? Just heard today that there is a covid case that has put a 2 week suspension of all football activity. I'm not sure if it's just at our High School or in Fulton County. Not sure-watched Cherokee High play Carver last night on TV. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Sept 3, 2020 15:36:14 GMT -5
I don’t understand how high schools are conducting virtual classes but the football teams go to the schools and practice?
It really i$ a fa$cinating que$tion, i$n't it?
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Post by bogan on Sept 3, 2020 15:46:13 GMT -5
I don’t understand how high schools are conducting virtual classes but the football teams go to the schools and practice?
It really i$ a fa$cinating que$tion, i$n't it?
$urely i$. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Sept 3, 2020 17:27:30 GMT -5
This is all very true. My guess is that the pros are also getting scanned if they test positive but are either not finding that they have myocarditis or are electing to take the risk of playing if it is deemed mild. This disease is still too new to draw conclusions at this point. I just hope no one DOES die as a result of playing sports after having COVID and myocarditis. As an aside, who knows how many of us have myocarditis after a bunch of other illnesses? Could be that we do after the flu or cold or GI bug but don't know it because we were not scanned. Trying to gather a lot of information in a short time means we are going to have stuff that possibly is not relevant but you cannot know until it is all over. I believe most of the former players who may or may not show symptoms of CTE have all alluded to the fact that if they had known some of the medical risks prior to, they still would not change a thing and would have gone forward and played their football careers. Sometimes knowing doesn't really change anything. The lure of the CA$H is more tantalizing. Looked it up, if you're a rookie in the NFL your minimum is $480k per year. If you can't make a squad and you only make the practice squad you still pull down a minimum of $8k/week. Couple that with the fanfare, fame and glory that comes with the world of being an NFL pro and we see why some will not give up the limelight, their health be damned... |
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Post by Respect on Sept 3, 2020 17:38:21 GMT -5
I question the significance of this for a few reasons. First, NFL/NBA/NHL/MLS/etc all are playing and if this issue were truly significant one would expect them not go play. Second, if it were that serious, you would expect more players to opt out--whether they are professionals or not. Third, SEC, ACC and Big 12 also had this info and their assessment is to play. Fourth, while there have been hundreds of games that have occurred to date, there has not been a cardiac event. (And, I know there could be at some point God forbid, but just like there are several cardiac events each year from high school to college to pro). Which means that if a kid doesn't want to play Big Ten football due to this cardiac issue as outlined by this article, they have every right to opt out and hope the heart inflammation gets better for next year. (I also read that when this heart issue was raised weeks ago by the Big Ten, a U of Michigan cardiologist said it was not reliable which may be a reason the other leagues did not rely on it.) This just says that we all have different levels of risk tolerance. Humans always resolve ambiguity in different ways. Some are more risk adverse and some are more risk tolerant. Unfortunately (or fortunately) we also excel at resolving ambiguity in the face of a threat but are less well equipped to think long-term intelligently, i.e. we instead follow our instincts. Also, after relying on our own individual risk level bias, many follow the "heard" to resolve conflicting information, i.e. we seek out safety in numbers. Also, in many cases, and as stated in other related posts here, money drives behavior: pursue of wealth and power changes the way we think and behave. All this to say that the way a group of persons (Points 1, 2, and 3) decide how to deal with the risk of myocarditis is not a valid reason to claim the issue does not exist, is not significant, or should be ignored altogether. Point 4, perhaps those diagnosed with myocarditis are not playing to begin with but that would be an assumption on my part. I just hope none of our children develop this disease either as a result of a Covid-19 infection or other viruses. |
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Post by newposter on Sept 3, 2020 19:02:33 GMT -5
Any posting of an article by ESPN or SI? I haven't been able to confirm this with an internet search. Please post if you have one.
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Post by hotspur1 on Sept 3, 2020 19:18:45 GMT -5
BREAKING: #PennState's director of athletic medicine, Wayne Sebastianelli, says that cardiac MRI scans revealed that roughly 30-35 percent of Big Ten athletes who tested positive for COVID-19 appeared to have myocarditis. t.co/md4p1IoaLhwell, that's not good Having trouble linking but completely false narrative |
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Post by Respect on Sept 3, 2020 19:30:11 GMT -5
Fake news. No he didn’t. Having trouble linking but completely false narrative At 1h 07” minutes or so, what he actually said. |
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Post by newposter on Sept 3, 2020 19:35:39 GMT -5
This is nowhere to be found on ESPNs website. Probably bc it's not a reliable resource.
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Post by footyfan on Sept 3, 2020 20:00:35 GMT -5
The article I posted now contains a correction:
"CORRECTION: Penn State Health later clarified that the 30-35% figure pertaining to COVID-19-positive Big Ten athletes verbally shared with Dr. Wayne Sebastianelli by a colleague was actually published at the lower rate of 15%. He was unaware of that when he made his comments at the State College school board meeting, and when he confirmed his comments to the Centre Daily Times."
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Post by newposter on Sept 3, 2020 20:24:43 GMT -5
Still dont see reference to them cancelling football.
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Post by newposter on Sept 3, 2020 20:33:13 GMT -5
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Post by bogan on Sept 3, 2020 20:51:15 GMT -5
Badges?! We don’t need no stinking badges...
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Post by flix on Sept 4, 2020 7:01:51 GMT -5
I don’t understand how high schools are conducting virtual classes but the football teams go to the schools and practice?
It really i$ a fa$cinating que$tion, i$n't it?
I see the sarcasm but don’t understand it? Am I wrong in assuming if there are games that there won’t be spectators? If there are no spectators, I would assume no concession stands. If no spectators, then no parking fees. So where is the money in high school football now? |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 4, 2020 7:29:38 GMT -5
It really i$ a fa$cinating que$tion, i$n't it?
I see the sarcasm but don’t understand it? Am I wrong in assuming if there are games that there won’t be spectators? If there are no spectators, I would assume no concession stands. If no spectators, then no parking fees. So where is the money in high school football now? Actually many schools are allowing limited spectators. They are allowing family members of players, band and cheerleaders. Some are allowing concessions as well with socially distanced lines. Some are also allowing seniors and other students to purchase limited numbers of tickets ahead of time to keep the numbers appropriately socially distanced. |
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Post by fridge on Sept 4, 2020 7:43:53 GMT -5
I honestly don't think letting in a couple hundred fans into a HS football game will have a material financial impact for the high school. I think they are playing for other reasons.
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Post by flix on Sept 4, 2020 7:44:31 GMT -5
I see the sarcasm but don’t understand it? Am I wrong in assuming if there are games that there won’t be spectators? If there are no spectators, I would assume no concession stands. If no spectators, then no parking fees. So where is the money in high school football now? Actually many schools are allowing limited spectators. They are allowing family members of players, band and cheerleaders. Some are allowing concessions as well with socially distanced lines. Some are also allowing seniors and other students to purchase limited numbers of tickets ahead of time to keep the numbers appropriately socially distanced. Thanks for the information. That plan doesn’t sound too smart to me but what do I know. They will let high schoolers play but not college? I would assume you would play college football as there really is money at stake and not let high schoolers play. But I’m not going to be a hater as club sports are playing also. |
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Post by bogan on Sept 4, 2020 7:52:48 GMT -5
Actually many schools are allowing limited spectators. They are allowing family members of players, band and cheerleaders. Some are allowing concessions as well with socially distanced lines. Some are also allowing seniors and other students to purchase limited numbers of tickets ahead of time to keep the numbers appropriately socially distanced. Thanks for the information. That plan doesn’t sound too smart to me but what do I know. They will let high schoolers play but not college? I would assume you would play college football as there really is money at stake and not let high schoolers play. But I’m not going to be a hater as club sports are playing also. This is the South-God, Country, Family and Football. Not necessarily in that order... |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 4, 2020 8:13:31 GMT -5
I honestly don't think letting in a couple hundred fans into a HS football game will have a material financial impact for the high school. I think they are playing for other reasons. Well it probably depends on the school. I DO know that a lot of high school bands run the concession stands and take a cut of that to fund the bands. Many also sell spirit wear there to support the cheerleaders or the football booster club or both. High school football costs a lot of money to produce. Some high school coaches make 6 figures, just saying. |
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Post by kidsocceruber on Sept 4, 2020 8:28:25 GMT -5
Not to mention the schools and each sport sell Booster Club memberships which include admission(parking for football also) to the games.
If they can't let people in they can't sell those booster club memberships, at least not at the same price. Money lost for those teams, which if you're on a soccer board for HS you know this will impact the budget for the year.
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Post by ball2futbol on Sept 4, 2020 9:13:23 GMT -5
The local games on tv last night, had a good number of fans in attendance but allowed plenty of space for distancing. On another note, I've been surprised at the money parents pay out for kids these days to play high school "revenue" sports like football.
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Post by mistergrinch on Sept 4, 2020 10:18:49 GMT -5
The local games on tv last night, had a good number of fans in attendance but allowed plenty of space for distancing. On another note, I've been surprised at the money parents pay out for kids these days to play high school "revenue" sports like football. not just football.. I heard before (probably here) that it costs almost the same as club fees to play at some of the bigger HS here for soccer. |
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