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Post by soccermaxx72 on Aug 9, 2020 21:55:11 GMT -5
That’s per ESPN and SI.
If college football cancels, does that likely mean high school football cancels?
If so and then all fall high school sports likely follow, will club sports just move forward or feel pressure to shut down like they did in the spring?
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 9, 2020 22:38:55 GMT -5
Ugh.
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Post by Keeper on Aug 9, 2020 23:12:17 GMT -5
I don’t think this will make club sports be canceled as school sports can’t be justified if the kids aren’t in the classrooms and most wont and the ones going back now won’t be there come October without massive social changes. Club sports seem to be okay since a small vocal group of minorities are okay with killing off/writing off another minority group of older and at health risk people.
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Post by rocko1989 on Aug 10, 2020 5:21:34 GMT -5
That’s per ESPN and SI. If college football cancels, does that likely mean high school football cancels? If so and then all fall high school sports likely follow, will club sports just move forward or feel pressure to shut down like they did in the spring? I think you pose a couple of good questions, and I do not have an answer. My guess is if college football cancels for this Fall, we will see a good amount of pressure to pretty much cancel everything else for the Fall. Again, just a guess on my end. |
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Post by bogan on Aug 10, 2020 7:14:26 GMT -5
To quote Mr Bill..Oh nooooooo! |
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 10, 2020 7:41:49 GMT -5
To quote Mr Bill..Oh nooooooo! and now I can guess your age within ~5 years.
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Post by bogan on Aug 10, 2020 7:56:10 GMT -5
To quote Mr Bill..Oh nooooooo! and now I can guess your age within ~5 years.
Yeah, I’m getting to be an old fart... |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Aug 10, 2020 7:58:27 GMT -5
That’s per ESPN and SI. If college football cancels, does that likely mean high school football cancels? If so and then all fall high school sports likely follow, will club sports just move forward or feel pressure to shut down like they did in the spring? I'm not convinced that college FB will cancel. I think we're just watching massive change in college sports happen in a matter of days that frankly should have occurred a long time ago. Anything can happen, so those reports may be correct. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 10, 2020 10:33:37 GMT -5
This will be interesting: rumor from one power 5 AD -- they are worried/terrified of the players organizing and it shifting the paradigm of amateur sports.  |
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Post by mightydawg on Aug 10, 2020 10:37:54 GMT -5
The cynic in me wonders if the threat of cancelling football is more of an effort to keep the players from organizing than it is about safety. The timing of the talk of cancellation originated in the Pac-12 right after a list of player demands was presented.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 10, 2020 10:52:19 GMT -5
The cynic in me wonders if the threat of cancelling football is more of an effort to keep the players from organizing than it is about safety. The timing of the talk of cancellation originated in the Pac-12 right after a list of player demands was presented. That is exactly what some "insiders" are suggesting and gossip I'm hearing from a few inside the biz. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 10, 2020 10:53:54 GMT -5
Its about time they move NCAA football and basketball (possibly baseball) to a minor-league professional system that is a fundraising arm of the universities. There is no reason to keep the current paradigm anymore. No need for them to be student-athletes as they're about to be professionals anyways.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 10, 2020 11:02:27 GMT -5
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Post by mightydawg on Aug 10, 2020 11:15:56 GMT -5
Its about time they move NCAA football and basketball (possibly baseball) to a minor-league professional system that is a fundraising arm of the universities. There is no reason to keep the current paradigm anymore. No need for them to be student-athletes as they're about to be professionals anyways. I am torn on the subject. If athletes take advantage of it, a free college education is a significant benefit. If you are talking about Vanderbilt ($73K per year), Duke ($77K per year), Northwestern ($78K per year) and the like, players are receiving a $300K benefit not including the academic support and training support provided by the schools. Also, i don't know how you would manage setting the pay scale for recruits and the like. On the football side of it, I have seen too many 5 star players not pan out while a 2 or 3 star, turns into a superstar. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 10, 2020 11:20:49 GMT -5
the Image and likeness looks like is going to happen.
some of these kids also get $3,500 stipends each semester. If you attend any major university from out of state - they are getting an enormous deal!
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 10, 2020 11:30:13 GMT -5
The cynic in me wonders if the threat of cancelling football is more of an effort to keep the players from organizing than it is about safety. The timing of the talk of cancellation originated in the Pac-12 right after a list of player demands was presented. Players are organizing anyway. There are a lot of comments about players wanting to play and feeling they are safer than at home. Football is surely higher risk than some other sports but they are screening these kids frequently so in theory they are probably right that they are safer competing with the controls than not |
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Post by soccerfan30 on Aug 10, 2020 11:38:10 GMT -5
I personally dont care for college football but if national and state leadership had been more proactive in March this entire situation could have been avoided.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Aug 10, 2020 12:01:03 GMT -5
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Post by ball2futbol on Aug 10, 2020 12:19:30 GMT -5
The cynic in me wonders if the threat of cancelling football is more of an effort to keep the players from organizing than it is about safety. The timing of the talk of cancellation originated in the Pac-12 right after a list of player demands was presented. Players are organizing anyway. There are a lot of comments about players wanting to play and feeling they are safer than at home. Football is surely higher risk than some other sports but they are screening these kids frequently so in theory they are probably right that they are safer competing with the controls than not That's assuming all the controllable's or safety protocols are uniform. Unfortunately there's no true governing body that matters in collegiate sports to effectively put those controllable's in place. Sounds like the powers that be would rather destroy the current system themselves and rebuild it, than modify the current system and loose a modicum of control to student-athletes. That goes beyond just football players. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 10, 2020 12:27:14 GMT -5
Players are organizing anyway. There are a lot of comments about players wanting to play and feeling they are safer than at home. Football is surely higher risk than some other sports but they are screening these kids frequently so in theory they are probably right that they are safer competing with the controls than not That's assuming all the controllable's or safety protocols are uniform. Unfortunately there's no true governing body that matters in collegiate sports to effectively put those controllable's in place. Sounds like the powers that be would rather destroy the current system themselves and rebuild it, than modify the current system and loose a modicum of control to student-athletes. That goes beyond just football players. No doubt there are haves and have nots in the college football world. I agree they are not uniform. I think that is why some of the conferences wanted to stay in conference only. At least then they knew what their opponents were doing. I have some pretty big concerns about how this will affect the colleges going forward. Financial ramifications of the lack of TV revenue will hit the academic side and the other sports as well. Big trickle down effect. |
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Post by bogan on Aug 10, 2020 12:29:32 GMT -5
Players are organizing anyway. There are a lot of comments about players wanting to play and feeling they are safer than at home. Football is surely higher risk than some other sports but they are screening these kids frequently so in theory they are probably right that they are safer competing with the controls than not That's assuming all the controllable's or safety protocols are uniform. Unfortunately there's no true governing body that matters in collegiate sports to effectively put those controllable's in place. Sounds like the powers that be would rather destroy the current system themselves and rebuild it, than modify the current system and loose a modicum of control to student-athletes. That goes beyond just football players. I think someone did the math and figured out how much money they were going to lose on this season and called it quits. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 10, 2020 12:30:49 GMT -5
I have many friends and colleagues whose life and jobs are the business of college football -- this could/would be devastating to them after having the spring sports cancelled also.
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Post by ball2futbol on Aug 10, 2020 12:53:00 GMT -5
Agreed these schools/conferences knew what was coming and clearly didn't do a good job of planning, certainly not as a collective group. Once the MAC conference made their decision the BIG 10 didn't have enough regional opponents to compete financially and safely. This is all about a lack of leadership in collegiate sports and yes all the other sports will suffer for years to come.
IMO this is becoming less and less about CV-19 and more about control. If you can't maintain control you might as well fuel the flames and let it burn down and begin the rebuilding process. The other collegiate sports and those impacted professionally will be left picking up the ashes.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 10, 2020 13:04:00 GMT -5
prior to covid I thought the college sports and colleges costs bubble would burst. Imagine if colleges end up closing mid fall or for the spring and go 100% online.
nobody will ever go out of state again.
These schools are charging students full price for online classes -- its BS.
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Post by mightydawg on Aug 10, 2020 13:05:46 GMT -5
Agreed these schools/conferences knew what was coming and clearly didn't do a good job of planning, certainly not as a collective group. Once the MAC conference made their decision the BIG 10 didn't have enough regional opponents to compete financially and safely. This is all about a lack of leadership in collegiate sports and yes all the other sports will suffer for years to come. IMO this is becoming less and less about CV-19 and more about control. If you can't maintain control you might as well fuel the flames and let it burn down and begin the rebuilding process. The other collegiate sports and those impacted professionally will be left picking up the ashes. MAC had nothing to do with Big 10(14) calling it quits. Big 10(14) had decided on a conference only schedule a month ago. The financial ramifications of the loss of TV money for the big schools and the loss of ability of the small schools to play pay check games will likely lead to most non-revenue sports that are not needed to comply with title IX being cut. |
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Post by ball2futbol on Aug 10, 2020 13:14:19 GMT -5
I stand corrected on the BIG 10, you're right they did decide on conference only early. Everything else is a power grab.
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Post by atlutd17 on Aug 10, 2020 14:00:12 GMT -5
Maybe the time has come for D1 college football to become Minor League Football, still affiliated with the colleges but outside NCAA.
NCAA is outdated for the top college players who are getting screwed over considering what they bring to their schools.
The pretend "student athlete" would become what he's always been at that level: athlete first, student second. That's reality, not an opinion.
Below that level, the NCAA should improve and continue to serve a great need of student athletes.
PS By comparison take a look at the soccer teams of some major universities in Mexico.
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Post by guest on Aug 10, 2020 14:05:39 GMT -5
I looked at this guys twitter page, because I normally check sources POV so I know how high to set my BS meter. Aside from the truthfulness or no: 66 tweets or retweets in the last 24 hours. How does one even do that? |
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Post by guest on Aug 10, 2020 14:13:42 GMT -5
Maybe the time has come for D1 college football to become Minor League Football, still affiliated with the colleges but outside NCAA. NCAA is outdated for the top college players who are getting screwed over considering what they bring to their schools. The pretend "student athlete" would become what he's always been at that level: athlete first, student second. That's reality, not an opinion. Below that level, the NCAA should improve and continue to serve a great need of student athletes. PS By comparison take a look at the soccer teams of some major universities in Mexico. I’m not sure how this would work. You could certainly say no more college football and a new USL type league created for football. (UFL?) But I don’t think UGA, Clemson or anyone else is going to have a league not controlled by them to be affiliated with them. It would just be “the Georgia Rattlers” or some such Minor league team. No G logo or bulldogs. Also let’s be honest, if college football goes away, so does most other sports. Not all certainly, I know there are plenty of schools that offer men’s golf and not football. But the number of college team would be cut by more than half. |
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Post by guest on Aug 10, 2020 14:16:43 GMT -5
And while I’m thinking of it, if there are fewer college non-football teams, then you wouldn’t need many HS sports right? Just play Club soccer, no HS. It’s becoming like that in many sports.
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