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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 28, 2020 13:06:00 GMT -5
The CF 19s are good. core team has been together off and on since u13. A handful left for AU but are back and handful from AU are on the team now also.
MLS next is going to have to recruit clubs in. in my opinion youth soccer teams should not be going all the way down to Orlando to play games. Sometimes that can be one game.
As I said the boys ecnl southeast league has got it right. Nashville is the farthest location. Knoxville is even doable for a day trip if needed.
MLS next needs to mimic the travel -- problem is that probably isn't optimal for the MLS teams and probably defeats the purpose of the league from an MLS standpoint.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 28, 2020 14:53:37 GMT -5
Maybe the question should be asked whether the MLS clubs having academies in a country as big as ours even makes sense? Maybe they should be doing an ODP-like situation, where they get top kids from different clubs together once a week for high-level training. And then pull what they feel are the best 18 to occasionally compete against other MLS clubs doing the same thing.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Sept 28, 2020 15:33:40 GMT -5
Maybe the question should be asked whether the MLS clubs having academies in a country as big as ours even makes sense? Maybe they should be doing an ODP-like situation, where they get top kids from different clubs together once a week for high-level training. And then pull what they feel are the best 18 to occasionally compete against other MLS clubs doing the same thing. Where have I heard that, hmmm... oh year, I believe Minnesota United just launched this model 🤔 www.soccerwire.com/news/minnesota-united-fc-reveals-structure-for-new-youth-development-program/ |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 28, 2020 16:12:40 GMT -5
Had no idea.
I think a system like this could slow some of the trend of toward moving to larger clubs/elite teams. Play with your friends locally and still have the opportunity for higher level training. And AU coaches wouldn't have to play politics like the ODP coaches do (they could probably streamline/reduce the training staff at the MLS clubs to just a few people...work with different age groups on different days). Gives some bragging rights for the small clubs also.
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Post by soccergurl on Oct 18, 2020 20:28:12 GMT -5
AU vs NASA anybody know the scores from weekend matchups?
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Post by Brinker on Oct 19, 2020 13:13:04 GMT -5
AU vs NASA anybody know the scores from weekend matchups? NASA 07 beat AU 6-0 but it was mostly 08 kids for AU. |
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Post by soccergurl on Oct 19, 2020 14:29:53 GMT -5
not doubting u but ecnl website has it as au winning 6-0 and in other ages looks like au won all easily esp. U15s & U16s
U14s: 6-0 AU(officially); U15s: 3-0 AU; U16s: 5-2 AU; U19s: 3-2 AU;
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Post by Brinker on Oct 19, 2020 16:17:17 GMT -5
not doubting u but ecnl website has it as au winning 6-0 and in other ages looks like au won all easily esp. U15s & U16s U14s: 6-0 AU(officially); U15s: 3-0 AU; U16s: 5-2 AU; U19s: 3-2 AU; ECNL Website was wrong but fixed now. NASA 07 won over AU 6-0 (08s). |
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Post by soccergurl on Oct 19, 2020 16:27:17 GMT -5
how about the other scores correct?
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Post by Brinker on Oct 19, 2020 18:05:39 GMT -5
how about the other scores correct? I don’t know. I only saw the NASA 07 game. |
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Post by flix on Oct 19, 2020 18:41:35 GMT -5
not doubting u but ecnl website has it as au winning 6-0 and in other ages looks like au won all easily esp. U15s & U16s U14s: 6-0 AU(officially); U15s: 3-0 AU; U16s: 5-2 AU; U19s: 3-2 AU; ECNL Website is wrong. Trust me, NASA 07 won easily over AU 6-0 (08s and some 07s). Where are you getting your info from?There are no 07’s on that team. You guys easily won but to me it was due to your huge size advantage and very direct style of play. You guys missed a ton of scoring opportunities other teams would have finished. And once again, your subbing pattern suggested playing for a win while everybody played for AU. |
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Post by Brinker on Oct 19, 2020 19:33:56 GMT -5
ECNL Website was wrong but fixed now. NASA 07 won over AU 6-0 (08s). Where are you getting your info from?There are no 07’s on that team. You guys easily won but to me it was due to your huge size advantage and very direct style of play. You guys missed a ton of scoring opportunities other teams would have finished. And once again, your subbing pattern suggested playing for a win while everybody played for AU. Ok thanks for letting me know there were no 07s on the team. The AU team plays very well for 08s. And yes NASA missed a bunch of scoring opportunities. Not sure about the subbing comment as all the NASA kids played as they do every game. |
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Post by ecnlquestions on Oct 19, 2020 20:59:35 GMT -5
ECNL Website is wrong. Trust me, NASA 07 won easily over AU 6-0 (08s and some 07s). Where are you getting your info from?There are no 07’s on that team. You guys easily won but to me it was due to your huge size advantage and very direct style of play. You guys missed a ton of scoring opportunities other teams would have finished. And once again, your subbing pattern suggested playing for a win while everybody played for AU. Atlanta United lost to Alabama 3-0 too? Did they have a direct style as well? With your pick of any players in the state I would hope not to be losing games 6-0 (even if you are playing up). Might be worth getting better at defending? |
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Post by onekickpop on Oct 19, 2020 21:41:29 GMT -5
Looks like 6-0 and 3-0 losses against NASA and Alabama. I’m guessing ECNL is a practice league for AU and they save their 07’s for MLSNEXT? Sounds like a wasted trip for the Alabama boys. Assuming the AU 07’s are playing up against 06’s I wonder how they are doing? Are they winning their games? I suppose in the grand scheme a loss is a learning/development lesson. Sort of stupid to even be in the mix as they are likely not remotely interested in ECNL playoffs. Safe to assume that GSA and UFA (#1 and 2) played and beat these same 08’s (6-1, 5-2)?
GSA, UFA, NASA would give AU 07’s a good battle. Not one of those teams would be a walk in the park for them.
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Post by hammertime on Oct 19, 2020 21:59:04 GMT -5
Atlanta United lost to Alabama 3-0 too? Did they have a direct style as well? With your pick of any players in the state I would hope not to be losing games 6-0 (even if you are playing up). Might be worth getting better at defending? Playing up with 12-14 year old boys is always going to present problems as you get kids who may be better technically against some boys who may have already hit puberty. I have no insight as to whether the AU 07/08 group needs better defenders. But even if their opponents are accustomed to a style of play that works it from the back as soon as they play one long ball forward and realize the opponent isn't strong enough or quick enough (due to physical limitations) to defend a direct style of play they are going to play direct all day long. |
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Post by ecnlquestions on Oct 19, 2020 22:09:56 GMT -5
Playing up with 12-14 year old boys is always going to present problems as you get kids who may be better technically against some boys who may have already hit puberty. I have no insight as to whether the AU 07/08 group needs better defenders. But even if their opponents are accustomed to a style of play that works it from the back as soon as they play one long ball forward and realize the opponent isn't strong enough or quick enough (due to physical limitations) to defend a direct style of play they are going to play direct all day long. It just seems to me that every time AU loses it’s because the other team sits in or plays direct. If you play a high line at all times then you are forcing teams into playing a more direct style of soccer. NASA shouldn’t be criticized for approaching the game that way if their opponents are allowing them the space to get in behind over and over again. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 20, 2020 6:44:40 GMT -5
It just seems to me that every time AU loses it’s because the other team sits in or plays direct. If you play a high line at all times then you are forcing teams into playing a more direct style of soccer. NASA shouldn’t be criticized for approaching the game that way if their opponents are allowing them the space to get in behind over and over again. No team of children should be criticized on an anonymous forum for winning, losing, playing up, playing a certain style. Criticism for playing players down, reckless play, leaving kids on the bench at the younger ages, verbally abusive or just plain rude coaches and players all make sense to me. |
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Post by flix on Oct 20, 2020 8:41:14 GMT -5
Atlanta United lost to Alabama 3-0 too? Did they have a direct style as well? With your pick of any players in the state I would hope not to be losing games 6-0 (even if you are playing up). Might be worth getting better at defending? Why do you believe Atlanta United is going across the State gobbling up all the best 11 or 12 year olds? That’s nonsense. Yes, Alabama had a direct style also. Anyone who knows anything about the sport will agree someone can score three goals but it doesn’t necessarily mean they played better soccer, it means they put the ball into the back of the net. |
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Post by flix on Oct 20, 2020 8:52:52 GMT -5
It just seems to me that every time AU loses it’s because the other team sits in or plays direct. If you play a high line at all times then you are forcing teams into playing a more direct style of soccer. NASA shouldn’t be criticized for approaching the game that way if their opponents are allowing them the space to get in behind over and over again. I’ve seen NASA play before and trust me, that’s how you guys play. In fact, ECNL as a whole is very direct. A lot of kickball at times. I don’t agree that if you play a high line, it forces the team to just kick the ball and chase after it. Yes, you guys won 6-0, but you also beat Alabama 5-1, which is about the same thing. GSA beat Concorde 7-1........ do they also need to work on defending or is it just AU? The top three teams are who you would expect they would be. But football is a funny sport because AU with no 07’s beat FC Alliance, 4-3, who NASA couldn’t score on in a 1-0 loss....... I think the switch from DA to ECNL has switched the focus on winning to get in the playoffs. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 20, 2020 8:58:27 GMT -5
agree -
I will say I've noticed way to many boys ecnl teams in the southeast playing punt and bang it forward with reckless abandon and zero attempt to combine passes.
I haven't been impressed with any of the Tennessee and Bama teams to date. I'll refrain from comment on the Georgia teams, but it's clear the standard of play is not the same level as DA.
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Post by bogan on Oct 20, 2020 9:03:53 GMT -5
Flix said “... I think the switch from DA to ECNL has switched the focus on winning to get in the playoffs.”
Bingo.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 20, 2020 9:33:32 GMT -5
I should clarify that I am not a fan of direct play all of the time. I do not think it develops players as well. I do think it is ok to use it in certain situations.
I feel like AU (and occasionally other teams) get trashed because they lose games while trying to develop players. Are we here to win or develop? Changing tactics to beat a team is part of development but I do think we spend too much time trashing on other teams rather than looking at the big picture. We are here so that our kids can develop, not win.
Btw I have watched a few college men's soccer games recently and have been disappointed to see sloppy play that is mostly direct. I hope that they are sloppy due to covid...because what I have seen in the ACC the last two weeks is very UGLY soccer.
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Post by onekickpop on Oct 20, 2020 9:56:12 GMT -5
Surprised to hear this. The U13/14/15 coaches at NASA do not run their sessions this way. I’ve seen them practice at Terrell Mill working on pass build up from the back and quick ball movement. Also, we recognize many of them from DA (NASA, Concorde, Smyrna). Gailey and Austin are from Concorde and Tomlin has been with NASA forever. All good coaches who are respected in the SE. Regardless, ECNL focus is more on winning than developing it appears. Hence the reason you see GSA so dominant as they “play direct” and pack size/speed up top and in their midfield. They’ve dominated every game except their one tie against NASA. ECNL style of play is where sheer size and physicality will dominate at U13/14. It just seems to me that every time AU loses it’s because the other team sits in or plays direct. If you play a high line at all times then you are forcing teams into playing a more direct style of soccer. NASA shouldn’t be criticized for approaching the game that way if their opponents are allowing them the space to get in behind over and over again. I’ve seen NASA play before and trust me, that’s how you guys play. In fact, ECNL as a whole is very direct. A lot of kickball at times. I don’t agree that if you play a high line, it forces the team to just kick the ball and chase after it. Yes, you guys won 6-0, but you also beat Alabama 5-1, which is about the same thing. GSA beat Concorde 7-1........ do they also need to work on defending or is it just AU? The top three teams are who you would expect they would be. But football is a funny sport because AU with no 07’s beat FC Alliance, 4-3, who NASA couldn’t score on in a 1-0 loss....... I think the switch from DA to ECNL has switched the focus on winning to get in the playoffs. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 20, 2020 10:07:20 GMT -5
There is direct and then there is litterally rec ball, with no attempt to combine passes. if your not playing direct at times, then I'd said your failing as well. Direct play has to be a part of a teams strategy. Often, it might not be necessary, but direct diagonal or through balls into space are dangerous and really put pressure on the defense. this is not soccer -  |
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Post by hammertime on Oct 20, 2020 10:12:23 GMT -5
Flix said “... I think the switch from DA to ECNL has switched the focus on winning to get in the playoffs.” Bingo. That may be true for UFA and Concorde Platinum but doesn't look like Atlanta United is solely focused on winning. Otherwise they wouldn't be fielding teams an age group down in some of the U14-U16 games. I still wonder if AU will even send teams to nationals if they qualify. Maybe too small of a sample size and can be easily fixed by fielding the appropriate aged team in future matches but right now the AU U14s are 6th, the U15s 4th and U16s 2nd (if you adjust current standings for a win and a loss over the weekend). |
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Post by roki12 on Oct 20, 2020 10:13:26 GMT -5
AU is the boys version of Tophat...the club everyone loves to hate.
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Post by onekickpop on Oct 20, 2020 10:32:01 GMT -5
I doubt if AU really cares much about ECNL championships. Their focus is MLSNEXT. These are likely just scrimmages to them to try and stay sharp which is why it makes little sense for some of these games to count in ECNL, especially at U13/14. Flix said “... I think the switch from DA to ECNL has switched the focus on winning to get in the playoffs.” Bingo. That may be true for UFA and Concorde Platinum but doesn't look like Atlanta United is solely focused on winning. Otherwise they wouldn't be fielding teams an age group down in some of the U14-U16 games. I still wonder if AU will even send teams to nationals if they qualify. Maybe too small of a sample size and can be easily fixed by fielding the appropriate aged team in future matches but right now the AU U14s are 6th, the U15s 4th and U16s 2nd (if you adjust current standings for a win and a loss over the weekend). |
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Post by Brinker on Oct 20, 2020 10:35:20 GMT -5
It just seems to me that every time AU loses it’s because the other team sits in or plays direct. If you play a high line at all times then you are forcing teams into playing a more direct style of soccer. NASA shouldn’t be criticized for approaching the game that way if their opponents are allowing them the space to get in behind over and over again. I’ve seen NASA play before and trust me, that’s how you guys play. In fact, ECNL as a whole is very direct. A lot of kickball at times. I don’t agree that if you play a high line, it forces the team to just kick the ball and chase after it. Yes, you guys won 6-0, but you also beat Alabama 5-1, which is about the same thing. GSA beat Concorde 7-1........ do they also need to work on defending or is it just AU? The top three teams are who you would expect they would be. But football is a funny sport because AU with no 07’s beat FC Alliance, 4-3, who NASA couldn’t score on in a 1-0 loss....... I think the switch from DA to ECNL has switched the focus on winning to get in the playoffs. Just to clarify the comment above. NASA 07 beat FC Alliance 7-1, so not sure where the 1-0 loss comment is coming from. But yes NASA did lose some 1-0 games they should have won. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 20, 2020 10:43:17 GMT -5
AU is the boys version of Tophat...the club everyone loves to hate. You are sooooo spot on with this post. It truly doesn't matter what Atlanta United does, some portion of the forum will always find fault with it. Much like TH, AU lives rent free in some folks heads all the time. I don't think it should matter, their mandate is very different from every other club in the state. Like a myriad of other posters have pointed out ad-nauseam, these games are not happening in a vacuum but with the collaboration and approval of other coaches and clubs locally... 😳😷😳 |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 20, 2020 11:33:28 GMT -5
It's par for the course -- for years concorde has been hated on. KSA has been hated on. UFA has been hated on. Tophat has been hated on. GSA has been hated on. And we all know AFU has been hated on.
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