Yea - I don’t expect this to happen at this point.
I haven’t heard anyone say they agree with this at This point and Klopp made it sound like they weren’t even in the loop at all.
Klopp also said don't blame coaches or players? Ok, I give them until Thursday. Then I am anti-Big 6 for any club whose players/coaches don't take a stand. I still actively rooted against Klopp/Pool for the first time today.
Aleksander Ceferin - UEFA President comment on European Super League plan:
"This idea is a spit in the face of all football lovers and our society as well. We must not let them take [football] away from us. I have seen many things in my life, I was a criminal lawyer for 24 years. I've seen many people. I've never seen anyone like that. ... We didn't know we had snakes working close to us, but now we know."
For the European Super League, just watch this interview from Sky Sports and at about 1:13 he'll disclose the owners' view from the mouth of a board member "Our primary job is to maximize our revenues and profits. The wider good of the game is a secondary concern". I'm not sure how much clearer this can get, no matter what they say in public. And they couldn't care less for the banning or the World Cup or the EPL (watch the whole video). I just hope the league doesn't happen for the good of the sport.
Domestically, when some MLS owners have pulled the plug on their own academy programs because "they don't see the value" in them, and neither the MLS nor USSF react to that, I need no further proof they do not care about the sport or its betterment either. I can easily predict how soccer will evolve in this country, unless USL or something else pull some kind of a miracle.
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"April 20 (Reuters) - UEFA president Aleksander Ceferin on Tuesday told the English Premier League’s “Big Six” clubs who have joined a breakaway European Super League that they had made a “huge mistake”, and urged them to think again.
Speaking at UEFA’s congress, the Slovenian criticised the attitude of owners who he said view the game as a “product” and fans as “consumers” but then spoke directly to the Premier League rebels.
“I would like to address the owners of some English clubs. Gentlemen, you made a huge mistake. Some will say it is greed, others disdain, arrogance or complete ignorance of England’s football culture, but actually it doesn’t matter,” he said.
“What matters is that there is still time to change your mind, everyone makes mistakes, English fans deserve to have you correct your mistake, they deserve respect.”
Manchester United, Liverpool, Manchester City, Tottenham Hotspur, Chelsea and Arsenal have signed up to the 12-team Super League along with top Spanish and Italian clubs.
“England, this incredible nation with such strong and unique links to football, deserves to have you correct your mistake. It deserves respect,” Ceferin added.
“Correct your mistake, turn back, come to your senses. Not out of love for football – because I imagine some of you don’t have much of that – but out of respect for those who bleed themselves dry so that they can go to the stadium to support their team and want the dream to be kept alive. Do it out of respect for the English people, for the home of football.”
While Ceferin’s comments make clear that the door is obviously open for the clubs to come back into UEFA’s Champions League fold, he made a broad attack on what he considers the thinking behind a closed league with permanent membership for elite clubs.
“For some, supporters have become consumers, fans have become customers and competitions have become products.
“Champions League elimination for some is no longer a sporting failure, it is an industrial risk that some are no longer willing to take,” he said.
The Slovenian said the leading clubs should recall their histories.
“The big clubs today were not necessarily big clubs in the past, and there is no guarantee that they will be big clubs in the future. Football is dynamic, football is unpredictable. This is what makes it a beautiful game. This is what makes it is so popular and so successful.
“Where were Manchester United in the decade before Sir Alex (Ferguson) arrived on the scene? You remember, I’m sure you do. And where were Juventus 15 years ago? As much as I know, they were in Serie B,” he said.
“If the clubs that dominated European football 30 or 40 years ago had decided to form a Super League, what would it have looked like? Nottingham Forest, Aston Villa, Hamburg, Steaua Bucharest, Porto, PSV (Eindhoven), Red Star (Belgrade)... These were Europe’s cream of the crop back then.
“That would be a Super League, but football changes and some do not understand, they see only changes in their bank accounts.
“Those clubs who think they are big and untouchable today should remember where they came from.” (Reporting by Simon Evans, Editing by Timothy Heritage and Christian Radnedge)"
“For some, supporters have become consumers, fans have become customers and competitions have become products." Describes the big difference between the fans in US Europe and US, how owners treat them and why in some countries nobody can "own" more than 49% of a team. Nobody should own control football, it belongs to everyone. The business of a football club is not and should not be like any other business. Competition in sports should never be eliminated, except ON the field.
“Champions League elimination for some is no longer a sporting failure, it is an industrial risk that some are no longer willing to take,” Exactly why this is happening, to corner the market, maximize revenue and profits at the expense of the wider good of the sport (their words). And this is why we don't see promotion/relegation in the US.
“The big clubs today were not necessarily big clubs in the past, and there is no guarantee that they will be big clubs in the future. Football is dynamic, football is unpredictable. This is what makes it a beautiful game. This is what makes it is so popular and so successful." Could this be what has been happening here as well?
“Where were Manchester United in the decade before Sir Alex (Ferguson) arrived on the scene? You remember, I’m sure you do. And where were Juventus 15 years ago? As much as I know, they were in Serie B,” True and same for Arsenal, and Atletico Madrid .. Imagine where the breakaways would be today if the top 10-12 clubs did 30-40 years ago what the breakaways are about to do now.
“If the clubs that dominated European football 30 or 40 years ago had decided to form a Super League, what would it have looked like? Nottingham Forest, Aston Villa, Hamburg, Steaua Bucharest, Porto, PSV (Eindhoven), Red Star (Belgrade)... These were Europe’s cream of the crop back then." Spot on. And he left out Ajax, Anderlecht, Monchengladbach, Marseilles, Sevilla, Dynamo Kiev, and few others ...
“Those clubs who think they are big and untouchable today should remember where they came from.” EXACTLY.
Just one question for UEFA though: Who has been feeding the monster the last 20 years?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 21, 2021 12:28:29 GMT -5
The think that hurts soccer compared to american sports is these clubs also buy the players and then have to pay them as well. In american sport besides mls, to the best of my knowledge they aren't buying players unless they are buying out contracts.
The clubs are spending millions to just acquire players and that is before they even pay a dime in salary.
the TV contracts seem to all be crap besides the EPL in terms of global growth. Bein is still not available on many cable providers etc.
Fewer clubs to divide the revenue share and fewer pointless games. The whole impetus for ESL.
May go to 18 (to control # of games) but why choke the talent and opportunities any further than 18 when quality is still high? Those games are not pointless to the English fans and there is still parity (used to be even tighter 20 years ago) among so many teams without a major drop in quality is what makes the EPL so special. The English fan wants a good Fulham and a good Burnley, or a different Fulham and a different Burnley among all those EFL and below teams who have a chance to become that under the current system. Not only that, but the next best league in overall market value to watch good, competitive, and many unpredictable matches is the EFL with 24 teams. When it comes to the pyramid, the English got it right. Love the quality of the EPL, it's fantastic, and the EFL is a pretty exciting league to follow as well, with a good product. And their grassroots are deep, and funded bc of it (could always be better of course). I only wish the financial gap between the rich 6 and the rest in EPL was a little smaller.
The way it's been going last 10 years the financial gap is getting alarmingly bigger. If nothing is done, this gap may eventually grow enough to translate to an inequality in the standings on a regular basis and games will become predictable (see LaLiga). We may have the big 6 monopolize the top 4 for a very long time and fans will start getting bored. It's not happening yet, but if underachievers Arsenal and Spurs for instance keep pouring more money than Leicester or West Ham or Everton or Villa or Leeds, eventually will happen. Can't overachieve forever or when the gap gets too big. And that's when next league the big boys try to pull off, might actually happen. Hopefully what happened last 72 hours might be the best thing for football, if it becomes a lesson learned.
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