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Mike C
Nov 3, 2021 10:46:40 GMT -5
Post by grasshopper on Nov 3, 2021 10:46:40 GMT -5
I WILL SAY THIS AND I AM GETTING BACK TO WORK - SOME YOUTH SOCCER PARENTS ARE TOXIC.
SOME OF YOU SHOULD REALLY GO TO COUNSELING, FIND A HOBBY, AND STOP LIVING VICARIOUSLY THROUGH YOUR KIDS.
I either need to find a new sport or a new club for my kid. I really don't want to be associated with a bunch of insane, entitled, and whiny parents and a club that doesn't release parents when they are acting insane and ruining the team atmosphere for the rest of us. Now, we have to deal with HS drama in our adulthood..what a shame.
DIRECTORS SHOULDN'T BE SCARED OF PARENTS...AND THIS CLUB LACKS LEADERSHIP.
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Post by 03fk on Nov 3, 2021 11:09:20 GMT -5
I know it couldn’t be because of his great personality and the way he treats the girls. So surprised that this happened Lol since you don't have any facts - let me give them to you. 03fk oraclesfriend a very sensitive and insecure mom is projecting all of her insecurities onto her child. As a consequence, she is actively campaigning and bringing back this thread to get Coach Mike fired. She is talking to parents, directors, and even myself trashing Coach Mike because she is sensitive and thinks her daughter should be held accountable to REC LEVELS AND NOT THE "TOUGH" STANDARD AT ONE OF THE BEST CLUBS IN THE NATION. What a shame. These are the parents who raise snowflakes and have to buy buildings for their kids to get into college....because they were never taught hard-work, discipline, and accountability. But sure, blame it on the Coach's personality to feel better about your lack of self-accountability. I hope this answers your question. These are facts - not some made up bs. interestedspectator unitedmom Grasshopper you are right I have no clue what is going on. My daughter wasn’t one of the girls that was told she made the team then last minute cut. Your right I wasn’t one of the parents that heard the abuse first hand Your right I am not one of the parents that wants a tough coach. In my daughter’s 9 years of high level club soccer she has had the gambit of coaches. She has had soft coaches and really hard ones but in each case she would run through a wall for them. From day 1 she met Mike she was cautious. Also keep in mind it is not just parents that have issues with him. I have heard some Tophat coaches with negative comments as well. Just glad that my daughter that sucks will be playing for a top ten D2 school next year
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Post by fanatic21 on Nov 3, 2021 11:25:20 GMT -5
I WILL SAY THIS AND I AM GETTING BACK TO WORK - SOME YOUTH SOCCER PARENTS ARE TOXIC. SOME OF YOU SHOULD REALLY GO TO COUNSELING, FIND A HOBBY, AND STOP LIVING VICARIOUSLY THROUGH YOUR KIDS. I either need to find a new sport or a new club for my kid. I really don't want to be associated with a bunch of insane, entitled, and whiny parents and a club that doesn't release parents when they are acting insane and ruining the team atmosphere for the rest of us. Now, we have to deal with HS drama in our adulthood..what a shame. DIRECTORS SHOULDN'T BE SCARED OF PARENTS...AND THIS CLUB LACKS LEADERSHIP. Yes, the people who need counseling are the ones who share their opinion that coaches shouldn't say a kid sucks or tell a teenage girl she needs to lose weight; definitely not the ones who use all caps to scream at people to toughen up on a youth soccer forum. That's not physcho at all.
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Post by mistergrinch on Nov 3, 2021 11:51:47 GMT -5
Holy shizat, someone needs to take their meds.
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Post by SoccerFirst on Nov 3, 2021 12:09:53 GMT -5
From my experience if it is truly just one parent making a fuss, the DOC would swoop in and offer a release. If it’s a group of parents on a single team, standard procedure seems to be a DOC-team meeting, has this happened?
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Mike C
Nov 3, 2021 12:42:05 GMT -5
Post by grasshopper on Nov 3, 2021 12:42:05 GMT -5
I WILL SAY THIS AND I AM GETTING BACK TO WORK - SOME YOUTH SOCCER PARENTS ARE TOXIC. SOME OF YOU SHOULD REALLY GO TO COUNSELING, FIND A HOBBY, AND STOP LIVING VICARIOUSLY THROUGH YOUR KIDS. I either need to find a new sport or a new club for my kid. I really don't want to be associated with a bunch of insane, entitled, and whiny parents and a club that doesn't release parents when they are acting insane and ruining the team atmosphere for the rest of us. Now, we have to deal with HS drama in our adulthood..what a shame. DIRECTORS SHOULDN'T BE SCARED OF PARENTS...AND THIS CLUB LACKS LEADERSHIP. Yes, the people who need counseling are the ones who share their opinion that coaches shouldn't say a kid sucks or tell a teenage girl she needs to lose weight; definitely not the ones who use all caps to scream at people to toughen up on a youth soccer forum. That's not physcho at all. fanatic21 if you are going to use words at least learn how to spell them. It's spelled psycho not physcho but I digress. Lol and to the person who liked your comment - justhere4thecomments it's spelled here as in location - not hear as in hearing...see what happens when teachers just hand out grades? I write in capital letters so some of y'all slow folks can gather the main points. I am glad it triggered you. If the teenager is playing sports - weight matters. An elite athlete would not act the way you act, which is internalize the comment and cry about it. A WEAK PLAYER RAISED BY A WEAK PARENT WOULD INTERNALIZE IT LIKE YOU DID. An ELITE PLAYER would dig deeper and understand that conditioning, weight, and fitness matters in soccer. Said elite player would go to work because he or she really wants it. They would be logical and rational and understand the comment about weight has nothing to do with her and everything to do with her ABILITY TO PERFORM ON THE FIELD. Should schools and teachers be apprehended for giving a student an "F" if they don't meet the academic standards? According to some of these parents, everyone should get an A just for showing up. Lol Y'all are excellent examples of why some kids in the next gen are so mediocre.
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Post by rifle on Nov 3, 2021 13:07:26 GMT -5
fanatic21 - if you don't know anything about the situation,, why are you commenting and validating a side of the story without hearing the other? This is exactly my problem with this forum. A bunch of parents without knowledge about a situation - speaking on it. Find a hobby please. You know this is a public message board, right? There are a lot of soccer loving folks with no idea who this guy is. They are still free to join the discussion. You don’t have to like it.
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Post by fanatic21 on Nov 3, 2021 13:15:53 GMT -5
Yes, the people who need counseling are the ones who share their opinion that coaches shouldn't say a kid sucks or tell a teenage girl she needs to lose weight; definitely not the ones who use all caps to scream at people to toughen up on a youth soccer forum. That's not physcho at all. fanatic21 if you are going to use words at least learn how to spell them. It's spelled psycho not physcho but I digress. Lol and to the person who liked your comment - justhere4thecomments it's spelled here as in location - not hear as in hearing...see what happens when teachers just hand out grades? I write in capital letters so some of y'all slow folks can gather the main points. I am glad it triggered you. If the teenager is playing sports - weight matters. An elite athlete would not act the way you act, which is internalize the comment and cry about it. A WEAK PLAYER RAISED BY A WEAK PARENT WOULD INTERNALIZE IT LIKE YOU DID. An ELITE PLAYER would dig deeper and understand that conditioning, weight, and fitness matters in soccer. Said elite player would go to work because he or she really wants it. They would be logical and rational and understand the comment about weight has nothing to do with her and everything to do with her ABILITY TO PERFORM ON THE FIELD. Should schools and teachers be apprehended for giving a student an "F" if they don't meet the academic standards? According to some of these parents, everyone should get an A just for showing up. Lol Y'all are excellent examples of why some kids in the next gen are so mediocre. Your assumptions are comical
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Post by mightydawg on Nov 3, 2021 13:53:17 GMT -5
Yes, the people who need counseling are the ones who share their opinion that coaches shouldn't say a kid sucks or tell a teenage girl she needs to lose weight; definitely not the ones who use all caps to scream at people to toughen up on a youth soccer forum. That's not physcho at all. fanatic21 if you are going to use words at least learn how to spell them. It's spelled psycho not physcho but I digress. Lol and to the person who liked your comment - justhere4thecomments it's spelled here as in location - not hear as in hearing...see what happens when teachers just hand out grades? I write in capital letters so some of y'all slow folks can gather the main points. I am glad it triggered you. If the teenager is playing sports - weight matters. An elite athlete would not act the way you act, which is internalize the comment and cry about it. A WEAK PLAYER RAISED BY A WEAK PARENT WOULD INTERNALIZE IT LIKE YOU DID. An ELITE PLAYER would dig deeper and understand that conditioning, weight, and fitness matters in soccer. Said elite player would go to work because he or she really wants it. They would be logical and rational and understand the comment about weight has nothing to do with her and everything to do with her ABILITY TO PERFORM ON THE FIELD. Should schools and teachers be apprehended for giving a student an "F" if they don't meet the academic standards? According to some of these parents, everyone should get an A just for showing up. Lol Y'all are excellent examples of why some kids in the next gen are so mediocre. You realize that almost nothing you said is true. The list of ELITE PLAYERS, you know PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES, who use sports psychologists is long. The mental aspect of the game is hugely important and most experts agree that the correct frame of mind is a neutral frame of mind that focuses on staying in the moment. This concept of simply digging deeper is not what actually works. Coaches should push players to be the best player they can be but that does not involve personal attacks on a player. In soccer, weight has little to do with being a successful soccer player. Fitness and conditioning do but not weight. Why comment on weight? If a player does not have sufficient conditioning to allow the player to play more than 10 minutes, the conversation to have with the player is that they need to work on their conditioning. Losing 10 pounds (weight) is not necessarily going to change a player's conditioning.
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Mike C
Nov 3, 2021 19:31:28 GMT -5
Post by grasshopper on Nov 3, 2021 19:31:28 GMT -5
Your assumptions are comical fanatic21 and so are your posts...
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Mike C
Nov 3, 2021 19:33:16 GMT -5
Post by grasshopper on Nov 3, 2021 19:33:16 GMT -5
fanatic21 - if you don't know anything about the situation,, why are you commenting and validating a side of the story without hearing the other? This is exactly my problem with this forum. A bunch of parents without knowledge about a situation - speaking on it. Find a hobby please. You know this is a public message board, right? There are a lot of soccer loving folks with no idea who this guy is. They are still free to join the discussion. You don’t have to like it. rifle yes, I do know it's a public forum and I don't have to like it - neither do I have to agree with folks defaming a good coach just because they can't handle the standards required to play at this level. Y'all are comical and bored.
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Mike C
Nov 3, 2021 19:43:23 GMT -5
Post by grasshopper on Nov 3, 2021 19:43:23 GMT -5
You realize that almost nothing you said is true. The list of ELITE PLAYERS, you know PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES, who use sports psychologists is long. The mental aspect of the game is hugely important and most experts agree that the correct frame of mind is a neutral frame of mind that focuses on staying in the moment. This concept of simply digging deeper is not what actually works. Coaches should push players to be the best player they can be but that does not involve personal attacks on a player. In soccer, weight has little to do with being a successful soccer player. Fitness and conditioning do but not weight. Why comment on weight? If a player does not have sufficient conditioning to allow the player to play more than 10 minutes, the conversation to have with the player is that they need to work on their conditioning. Losing 10 pounds (weight) is not necessarily going to change a player's conditioning. mightydawg , LOL, your statement, " weight has little to do with being a successful soccer player," is that your personal opinion? Because I can share at least 10 articles stating that weight in fact does play a part in the performance of a player in a soccer game. As far as the use of psychologists used in the game is completely irrelevant to the point. Coach Mike C is a soccer coach - not a psychologist. If you believe soccer training should be supplemented by a sports psychologist - that is a duty the parents or club should provide and the responsibility should not be shifted to the coach to provide psychologist services in the 4-6 week he is spending with the players. The job of a coach is to work on skills, strategy, tactics, and arguably fitness. "Personal attacks" is a vague termed interpreted differently depending on how sensitive you are. What you consider personal attacks such as talking about weight - it's really not a personal attack if you consider the context. We cannot be that oblivious (I would say dumb but you will probably consider that a personal attack) to believe that an unfit player will perform the same on the field as a player who prioritizes nutrition, cardio, and skills. Please don't be delusional guys. Like I said - there are a million other outlets for kids to participate where weight doesn't matter - soccer is not one of them.
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Mike C
Nov 3, 2021 19:44:12 GMT -5
Post by grasshopper on Nov 3, 2021 19:44:12 GMT -5
From my experience if it is truly just one parent making a fuss, the DOC would swoop in and offer a release. If it’s a group of parents on a single team, standard procedure seems to be a DOC-team meeting, has this happened? soccerfirst no, the club is scared of the parent so now all of us have to deal with the consequences - lovely.
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Mike C
Nov 3, 2021 19:47:44 GMT -5
Post by grasshopper on Nov 3, 2021 19:47:44 GMT -5
Lol since you don't have any facts - let me give them to you. 03fk oraclesfriend a very sensitive and insecure mom is projecting all of her insecurities onto her child. As a consequence, she is actively campaigning and bringing back this thread to get Coach Mike fired. She is talking to parents, directors, and even myself trashing Coach Mike because she is sensitive and thinks her daughter should be held accountable to REC LEVELS AND NOT THE "TOUGH" STANDARD AT ONE OF THE BEST CLUBS IN THE NATION. What a shame. These are the parents who raise snowflakes and have to buy buildings for their kids to get into college....because they were never taught hard-work, discipline, and accountability. But sure, blame it on the Coach's personality to feel better about your lack of self-accountability. I hope this answers your question. These are facts - not some made up bs. interestedspectator unitedmom Grasshopper you are right I have no clue what is going on. My daughter wasn’t one of the girls that was told she made the team then last minute cut. Your right I wasn’t one of the parents that heard the abuse first hand Your right I am not one of the parents that wants a tough coach. In my daughter’s 9 years of high level club soccer she has had the gambit of coaches. She has had soft coaches and really hard ones but in each case she would run through a wall for them. From day 1 she met Mike she was cautious. Also keep in mind it is not just parents that have issues with him. I have heard some Tophat coaches with negative comments as well. Just glad that my daughter that sucks will be playing for a top ten D2 school next year 03fk - lol thank you for proving my point - you are stating your opinion on a subject you have no first hand knowledge - lovely. Congratulations on your daughter getting into a top ten D2 school! But it also reinforces the point. If your daughter had the skills, character, and self-accountability needed - she would be in a top 10 D1 school but I digress....y'all are really comical. Just be okay with the fact you guys HATE SELF-ACCOUNTABILITY and move on.
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Mike C
Nov 3, 2021 19:50:46 GMT -5
Post by grasshopper on Nov 3, 2021 19:50:46 GMT -5
I have no idea what things happened. And as I said, I do not think any of the above are appropriate, but I think almost every coach would be fired if we base it off a coach saying a player sucks during the game. I have had him for 2 kids and not had that experience with him. There are always 3 sides to every story. Player/parent, coach and then the truth. turfburns I agree! Beautifully stated.
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Mike C
Nov 3, 2021 20:00:22 GMT -5
Post by grasshopper on Nov 3, 2021 20:00:22 GMT -5
All opinions are welcome....a lot of parents love to throw stones while living in a glass house...so let's talk about us. WHO HOLDS US - SOCCER PARENTS - ACCOUNTABLE? gasoccerforum.com/post/66324/thread
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Post by rifle on Nov 3, 2021 20:04:40 GMT -5
I have no idea what things happened. And as I said, I do not think any of the above are appropriate, but I think almost every coach would be fired if we base it off a coach saying a player sucks during the game. I have had him for 2 kids and not had that experience with him. There are always 3 sides to every story. Player/parent, coach and then the truth. turfburns I agree! Beautifully stated. Dude will you please type your reply at the bottom, after the word “/ quote” and the “br” with the brackets around them? It’s a lot easier to follow the origin of the words. And for the record I’m not picking a fight with you. I think you make SOME sense. I also wonder if your name is Mike.
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Mike C
Nov 3, 2021 20:28:15 GMT -5
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Post by 03fk on Nov 3, 2021 20:28:15 GMT -5
Grasshopper you are right I have no clue what is going on. My daughter wasn’t one of the girls that was told she made the team then last minute cut. Your right I wasn’t one of the parents that heard the abuse first hand Your right I am not one of the parents that wants a tough coach. In my daughter’s 9 years of high level club soccer she has had the gambit of coaches. She has had soft coaches and really hard ones but in each case she would run through a wall for them. From day 1 she met Mike she was cautious. Also keep in mind it is not just parents that have issues with him. I have heard some Tophat coaches with negative comments as well. Just glad that my daughter that sucks will be playing for a top ten D2 school next year 03fk - lol thank you for proving my point - you are stating your opinion on a subject you have no first hand knowledge - lovely. Congratulations on your daughter getting into a top ten D2 school! But it also reinforces the point. If your daughter had the skills, character, and self-accountability needed - she would be in a top 10 D1 school but I digress....y'all are really comical. Just be okay with the fact you guys HATE SELF-ACCOUNTABILITY and move on. Mike sorry grasshopper. I guess you don’t understand sarcasm. I was there for all of that as well as my daughter. Yes my daughter is not playing at a top 10 D1 school. I am sure if we stayed with you (sorry grasshopper) we would be playing at a top 10. So I guess Mike was right she does suck if she could only get a D2 scholarship
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 3, 2021 20:40:36 GMT -5
Grasshopper you are right I have no clue what is going on. My daughter wasn’t one of the girls that was told she made the team then last minute cut. Your right I wasn’t one of the parents that heard the abuse first hand Your right I am not one of the parents that wants a tough coach. In my daughter’s 9 years of high level club soccer she has had the gambit of coaches. She has had soft coaches and really hard ones but in each case she would run through a wall for them. From day 1 she met Mike she was cautious. Also keep in mind it is not just parents that have issues with him. I have heard some Tophat coaches with negative comments as well. Just glad that my daughter that sucks will be playing for a top ten D2 school next year 03fk - lol thank you for proving my point - you are stating your opinion on a subject you have no first hand knowledge - lovely. Congratulations on your daughter getting into a top ten D2 school! But it also reinforces the point. If your daughter had the skills, character, and self-accountability needed - she would be in a top 10 D1 school but I digress....y'all are really comical. Just be okay with the fact you guys HATE SELF-ACCOUNTABILITY and move on. This is a personal attack on the daughter of the poster. There are a number of reasons that she might choose to play for a top ten D2 school instead of D1 school. Being able to go to a top D2 school takes skills and accountability too. Character is a very subjective word so I won't comment on it except to say that people of great character play at all levels of the game. They also may choose not to play in college. There are PLENTY of bad characters playing at the top level of all sports too. You can like this coach. Many people may like this coach. In case your head has been in the ground there are some coaches of pretty high level teams and athletes that were successful who were also abusive AND liked by some of their players. Paul Riley was abusive, but won NWSL titles. USA gymnastics won just a few Olympic medals. This creep in the NHL managed to do pretty well for himself. There was a recent note defending the front office personnel of the Thorns who allegedly was discriminatory towards other people. They said he was great with them. Your good experience does not outweigh or overrule their bad experience. It is totally OK to defend him and say what you like about him. I do not think it is appropriate to trash all people who had bad experiences. For the record it is not only one person with a gripe against Mike and TG does not care about only one complaint. He would have blown it off if only one person said something.
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Mike C
Nov 3, 2021 21:32:05 GMT -5
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Post by grasshopper on Nov 3, 2021 21:32:05 GMT -5
Dude will you please type your reply at the bottom, after the word “/ quote” and the “br” with the brackets around them? It’s a lot easier to follow the origin of the words. And for the record I’m not picking a fight with you. I think you make SOME sense. I also wonder if your name is Mike. rifle my bad! I will make sure to use the brackets. My name isn’t Mike (I am actually a woman) but I am glad we are finding some common ground.
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Mike C
Nov 3, 2021 21:36:11 GMT -5
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Post by grasshopper on Nov 3, 2021 21:36:11 GMT -5
Mike sorry grasshopper. I guess you don’t understand sarcasm. I was there for all of that as well as my daughter. Yes my daughter is not playing at a top 10 D1 school. I am sure if we stayed with you (sorry grasshopper) we would be playing at a top 10. So I guess Mike was right she does suck if she could only get a D2 scholarship 03fk I don’t like sarcasm - do you why? Because sarcasm is the language of the people who don’t have the balls to say what they mean. And btw, my name isn’t Mike but I do love grasshopper Unlike you, I am a woman of character who doesn’t crumble when negative feedback comes my way. I work in a man dominated field and I kick ass every single day. Do you know why? Because I wasn’t raised by a snowflake. I was raised by a man and a woman who taught me how to hold my own, to not internalize criticism and to be objective rather than emotional. Take some 📝.
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Mike C
Nov 3, 2021 21:51:56 GMT -5
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Post by grasshopper on Nov 3, 2021 21:51:56 GMT -5
This is a personal attack on the daughter of the poster. There are a number of reasons that she might choose to play for a top ten D2 school instead of D1 school. Being able to go to a top D2 school takes skills and accountability too. Character is a very subjective word so I won't comment on it except to say that people of great character play at all levels of the game. They also may choose not to play in college. There are PLENTY of bad characters playing at the top level of all sports too. You can like this coach. Many people may like this coach. In case your head has been in the ground there are some coaches of pretty high level teams and athletes that were successful who were also abusive AND liked by some of their players. Paul Riley was abusive, but won NWSL titles. USA gymnastics won just a few Olympic medals. This creep in the NHL managed to do pretty well for himself. There was a recent note defending the front office personnel of the Thorns who allegedly was discriminatory towards other people. They said he was great with them. Your good experience does not outweigh or overrule their bad experience. It is totally OK to defend him and say what you like about him. I do not think it is appropriate to trash all people who had bad experiences. For the record it is not only one person with a gripe against Mike and TG does not care about only one complaint. He would have blown it off if only one person said something. oraclesfriend - your points are well-taken and I would agree with most of it. Except that this bullying, harassment, and defamation always happens when ONE parent is held accountable and doesn’t like it. They run off to tell on the coach, start a defamation campaign, and always end up on this blog trashing folks. I agree coaches should be held accountable but so should parents. I agree bullying kids is not okay - but neither is bullying coaches and getting them fired just because you don’t like something they said. A lot of parents are here talking about abuse - but aren’t their comments on this blog abusive and defamatory in nature? Should other parents sit by on the sidelines and not say anything? The fact that Directors and clubs don’t get involved in this drama because they are AFRAID of being bashed my parents should tell you everything you need to know. Are we a mob or soccer parents? Some soccer parents are toxic and as a soccer parent, I’ve had it with the bs.
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Mike C
Nov 4, 2021 5:17:26 GMT -5
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Post by rifle on Nov 4, 2021 5:17:26 GMT -5
Dude will you please type your reply at the bottom, after the word “/ quote” and the “br” with the brackets around them? It’s a lot easier to follow the origin of the words. And for the record I’m not picking a fight with you. I think you make SOME sense. I also wonder if your name is Mike. rifle my bad! I will make sure to use the brackets. My name isn’t Mike (I am actually a woman) but I am glad we are finding some common ground. Thank you. You’ll see that the board software will automatically thread the responses quite nicely by itself. And it’s pet peeve time, madame. This is a “discussion (or message) board” not a “blog”. A blog has hosts who write a chronology of content + a peanut gallery who comments. A discussion board is uncurated - a free for all. I don’t know why that distinction triggers me but it does. Have a nice day.
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Mike C
Nov 4, 2021 5:32:20 GMT -5
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Post by bogan on Nov 4, 2021 5:32:20 GMT -5
rifle my bad! I will make sure to use the brackets. My name isn’t Mike (I am actually a woman) but I am glad we are finding some common ground. Thank you. You’ll see that the board software will automatically thread the responses quite nicely by itself. And it’s pet peeve time, madame. This is a “discussion (or message) board” not a “blog”. A blog has hosts who write a chronology of content + a peanut gallery who comments. A discussion board is uncurated - a free for all. I don’t know why that distinction triggers me but it does. Have a nice day. Ink N A Z I?! 🤣😜
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Mike C
Nov 4, 2021 5:43:27 GMT -5
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Post by rifle on Nov 4, 2021 5:43:27 GMT -5
Evidently, working around a bunch of pricks has rubbed off on me.. Or them maybe.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 4, 2021 7:16:06 GMT -5
This is a personal attack on the daughter of the poster. There are a number of reasons that she might choose to play for a top ten D2 school instead of D1 school. Being able to go to a top D2 school takes skills and accountability too. Character is a very subjective word so I won't comment on it except to say that people of great character play at all levels of the game. They also may choose not to play in college. There are PLENTY of bad characters playing at the top level of all sports too. You can like this coach. Many people may like this coach. In case your head has been in the ground there are some coaches of pretty high level teams and athletes that were successful who were also abusive AND liked by some of their players. Paul Riley was abusive, but won NWSL titles. USA gymnastics won just a few Olympic medals. This creep in the NHL managed to do pretty well for himself. There was a recent note defending the front office personnel of the Thorns who allegedly was discriminatory towards other people. They said he was great with them. Your good experience does not outweigh or overrule their bad experience. It is totally OK to defend him and say what you like about him. I do not think it is appropriate to trash all people who had bad experiences. For the record it is not only one person with a gripe against Mike and TG does not care about only one complaint. He would have blown it off if only one person said something. oraclesfriend - your points are well-taken and I would agree with most of it. Except that this bullying, harassment, and defamation always happens when ONE parent is held accountable and doesn’t like it. They run off to tell on the coach, start a defamation campaign, and always end up on this blog trashing folks. I agree coaches should be held accountable but so should parents. I agree bullying kids is not okay - but neither is bullying coaches and getting them fired just because you don’t like something they said. A lot of parents are here talking about abuse - but aren’t their comments on this blog abusive and defamatory in nature? Should other parents sit by on the sidelines and not say anything? The fact that Directors and clubs don’t get involved in this drama because they are AFRAID of being bashed my parents should tell you everything you need to know. Are we a mob or soccer parents? Some soccer parents are toxic and as a soccer parent, I’ve had it with the bs. As a fellow woman in a male dominated field I fist bump you for doing that and kicking ass at it. Obviously you are not a snowflake. Neither am I. But as a woman in a healthcare field I do take issue with adults being mean to children. I also played sports (sometimes even on boys teams and kicking ass there too) and am familiar with the old school way of doing things. Like many old school things berating, embarrassing and insulting comments towards athletes (elite and not elite) need to go away. The thing about the forum is that it is a place to ask questions, get information and opine about clubs/leagues/refs and so on. This particular thread was started once before by someone asking about this coach. It got some positive and some negative comments about the coach when it began. It was not begun by a disgruntled parent. Several of the initial negative comments were by people who were not on the current team that Mike got released from. In fact this was well before the season. A soccer sideline is an emotional place. Perhaps the best thing for Mike would be some feedback on what comments he made that offended people. He might learn to curb what he says and yet still hold people accountable. There are ways to do that without insulting, embarrassing and humiliating teen girls. I have always been able to let a lot roll off of me but that does not mean that I should have to subjected to that. Much of what I was subjected to in the past would now 100% be considered sexual harassment. It never got under my skin, but I stand by the rights of others to complain about that and get it changed. This is no different IMO.
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Post by dadofthree on Nov 4, 2021 8:52:32 GMT -5
This is a personal attack on the daughter of the poster. There are a number of reasons that she might choose to play for a top ten D2 school instead of D1 school. Being able to go to a top D2 school takes skills and accountability too. Character is a very subjective word so I won't comment on it except to say that people of great character play at all levels of the game. They also may choose not to play in college. There are PLENTY of bad characters playing at the top level of all sports too. You can like this coach. Many people may like this coach. In case your head has been in the ground there are some coaches of pretty high level teams and athletes that were successful who were also abusive AND liked by some of their players. Paul Riley was abusive, but won NWSL titles. USA gymnastics won just a few Olympic medals. This creep in the NHL managed to do pretty well for himself. There was a recent note defending the front office personnel of the Thorns who allegedly was discriminatory towards other people. They said he was great with them. Your good experience does not outweigh or overrule their bad experience. It is totally OK to defend him and say what you like about him. I do not think it is appropriate to trash all people who had bad experiences. For the record it is not only one person with a gripe against Mike and TG does not care about only one complaint. He would have blown it off if only one person said something. Can't agree more. Folks who think that the only division worth anything in college athletics is D1 are either ill informed, idiots or both. It is funny how the longer I am doing this the more I hear things like my kid is only going to play D1. As a parent of two girls playing in college (D1 and D3) I have seen all sides. There are reasons why to go to all colleges and play at all levels. My daughter who plays D3 LaCrosse went to the school to be a Pharmacist and found that she could play the sport she loved....win win. My D1 daughter went to her school because it was smaller eventhough she had some opportunities at larger D1 schools because she wanted to play right away and she fell in love with the school and campus. She had offers at D2 schools but never felt the vibe of the school. The D2 schools she had offers at would probably beat her D1 school 7 times out of 10 but she loved the school. Parents like those who say D1 or bust should remember it's the kids that have to make their own choice and know why they did it. If they don't know and havent made THEIR choice it will be tough. The life at each of these levels is too tough to fake the desire if it isn't theirs and is why there is so much burn out at all the NCAA levels.
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Post by oldhat on Nov 4, 2021 9:04:29 GMT -5
You definitely don’t want to play at Atlanta United. I could see 4/6 of those examples being heard over there. Some people things like that roll off their back while others it really bothers them. flix - you are a breath of fresh air. Most of these parents like oldhat want their kids to play soccer at a competitive level and get mad if a player gets called out about their weight? Go join the spelling bee, science fairs, and book club where weight doesn't matter. IF YOU ARE AN ATHLETE, WEIGHT MATTERS. I don't know how that's not common sense. Perhaps do your job as a parents and feed your child healthy food instead of wasting time gossiping on a forum. Second, all the other stuff about he said this, he said that - how do we know it's not made up? Are we supposed to take your word at face value oldhat ? Lol My experience has been completely different. Coach Mike is always trying to get his kids signed up with colleges, he actively recruits players for college and abroad. But I suppose we are supposed to believe what an old hat says on this forum.... I posted about some actual situations that occurred and asked if they were ok. Some people never addressed the situations and went straight to making assumptions about the poster. So let me give you some info about my snowflake self and my snowflake daughter. And no I don't care if some people figure out who we are. I took a while to think about replying to these comments. I don't want to seem self-aggrandizing or to be bragging on my kid. I coached high school football with some great coaches. The Head Coach was just inducted into the Georgia Coaches Hall of Fame. While I was there we won 2 state titles and had dozens of kids to go play college football (many at SEC schools). They won a lot more without me. I took over a girls' soccer team that had never won more than 6 games. Five years later we had won 3 region titles and made it to the final four in the play-offs (with only 2 girls that played athena II). I now run a junior wrestling program for one of the most successful coaches in GHSA history. Between softball, soccer, and wrestling he has won I believe 11 state titles. The coaches on the junior program have produced over 150 state champs and placers. Somewhere in this thread someone was talking about about what it took to be ELITE. I have been around ELITE. I have seen some of the best in the history of this state. They were always about developing and encouraging. Of course they were all demanding and held athletes accountable. But they never went after players personally or said things derogatory about there personalities. There is a huge difference between criticizing the way a player does something and criticizing the player. These are a couple of examples. If someone is playing poorly, take them out. Tell them why they were taken out and what they should of done. Don't tell them they suck and tell them to just go sit on the bench. Don't talk poorly about players where other players can hear. Talk about your good players and what makes them successful. If you are coaching kids 14 and under and they are wanting to quit a sport, I think you are doing a terrible job. The youth ages are about development and growth as players. It is not the time to weed out the "snowflakes" or "weak" kids. You never know what someone is going to develop into until after puberty. Now about that snowflake daughter. She is keeper. At her request and with doctor's permission, she has played in goal at U12 with a big toe broken in two places. At U14 she she fractured a thumb in two places. She played in a tournament the next weekend with a hard cast over that thumb, wrist, and forearm. Two weeks later she talked the doctor into letting her play in a big game with just a splint, even though the thumb was not completely healed. She has won the state wrestling tournament five times. She has been to USA Nationals wrestling tournament twice and finished 5th and 2nd. She is playing for Coach Rivah for the third time. I haven't seen a soccer coach that is more demanding and expects more out his players (and he develops them without having anyone quit). She is some kind of snowflake! So go ahead and type you keyboard warrior. Put down kids for "only" earning a Div II. scholarship. Some of us do have the experience and knowledge of what it takes to be ELITE. Some of you only think you do.
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Mike C
Nov 4, 2021 10:57:17 GMT -5
Post by oldhat on Nov 4, 2021 10:57:17 GMT -5
Tell me which one of these things is ok: A player just commits to play in college. A coach sees player and says unsarcastically, I can't believe you signed with someone. A player has a bad game. Player is separated from the rest of the team to practice on their own during most of practice. Telling a 13 year old girl they are lazy and need to lose weight. Having multiple players refuse to play on a team and instead choosing to play on a lower team because players/parents have zero respect for the coach. Talking on the sideline during a match where bench players can hear. Saying one player sucks. This player is awful and etc. Saying he should have taken different players at try-outs. Talking to some players and making them believe they made a team at the end of try-outs. Then never calling them yourself to tell them you decided to choose someone else. Some parents/players have had a good relationship with a coach. Some have had an awful time. Would you want your daughter spending time with someone you knew treated other girls poorly? Do I think any of the those things are good? Of course not! But I also recognize that life is not butterflies and rainbows! Not every coach, teacher, boss will like you, or see your value, but does that mean you quit or get them fired? No. Use it as a motivation! Prove yourself on the field. It is not always pretty or all positive, but it is part of being successful in life. I also don’t think saying someone sucks during the game means much either. Both of my kids have heard much worse from various coaches about players on their team while on the bench. Have you heard the top team benches? It is cut throat and the players pay zero attention. Mindset matters and I guess that is where the difference is- his players that thrive and the ones that don’t. And in regards to tryouts and players thinking they made the team, how about just asking? In all the years I have been in youth soccer, I have yet to find a club or coach with decent communication. Again, the attacks seems targeted and from a small group with an agenda. my reply: Let tell you a short story. Names are not mentioned. Coach says to player at the end of tryouts, "What do you think about being the second keeper on the team?" Player looks coach in the eye and responds, "I would rather be the first keeper." Coach says, "What if I said you are the second keeper?" Player responds, "I wouldn't be happy about it, but I would play." Coach says, "OK." Dad watches the interaction and ask what was said immediately afterward. Being a coach, dad is proud of his 12 year old daughter for looking him in the eye and with her responses. I would always want a player that wanted to be the top choice. Coach never calls to say he decided to only take only one keeper. Daughter takes spot on next lower team. Coach destroys the confidence of the keeper he did take. Player almost quits playing soccer. Leaves club and plays for another club. She is doing much better now. Family has zero respect for a coach that would treat 12 year old in such way and was friends with the other keeper that left club. Saw exactly how she was treated at practices because teams practiced once a week at the same field. Next year coach calls and ask daughter to play with him after being told not to call. Conversation last about 15 seconds. Coach is told, "No thanks." It is not a small group of people. Treatment of players like this have happened multiple times at multiple age groups.
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Post by turfburns on Nov 4, 2021 12:05:01 GMT -5
OMG so all of this bashing is about a few people who didn’t make a team a couple years ago? And parents of players that he was too hard on?!! The truth finally surfaces.
If the coach isn’t a fit, then go somewhere else- problem solved. Obviously he isn’t that bad if he still has another team and many people who pay to train with him. Glad this was solved, have a great week people.
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