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Post by mamadona on Oct 28, 2024 12:43:05 GMT -5
I'm assuming older age group would remain a catch all age group vs creating a separate u19 group right? Oh I see what you mean. What about the ones in their senior year but held back or Aug birthdays, will they still be allowed on U18? U15 = freshmen U16 = sophomores u17 = juniors u18 = seniors There will be no U19 Someone correct me if I'm wrong please |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 28, 2024 13:31:01 GMT -5
I think the oldest age group historically was a u18/u19 composite team.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Oct 28, 2024 16:32:53 GMT -5
As I said before in this post. No matter where you put the age brackets some group of kids are going to get screwed from it. Right now Early month birthday kids get an advantage to be on higher level teams. If they change it back, it will just benefit the August and later birthdate kids and screw over the ones currently getting the benefit. Either way some kid is getting messed over. At this point honestly they should just leave it be, and if higher level leagues want to change it for them only let them do it, and either way they need to do it better than they did it last time. They need to grandfather people in that are say U13 and over playing 11v11 already, and only start this for the Academy age kids and lower. Then the next year it will be U14 and above is grandfathered in and so on and so forth until all 11v11 age groups are with whatever new standard they want to enact. That way you don't mess over folks again that have already lived through one set of age changes already. I'm so glad my son has aged out, and my daughter only plays recreation if that after this season. As a referee this won't affect me at all, so I won't give a crap once all my kids quit playing or age out. While I hear what you are saying I disagree with you. I think someone would getting screwed. Yes some teams will be mixed up some but I don't think that entails being screwed. You are never entitled to a spot on a team year over year. I think the change to birth year actually screwed people by trapping players. If they want to grandfather people, I hope they do it for those who have already started high school but not go back further. Nope no one is guaranteed a spot, but as others have already posted statistics on this post and other age change posts here historically. The majority of higher level teams tend to be front loaded with the closest birth months to the start of that age group, with the later months lagging and almost non-existent. This is because the older kids (even by a only a few months) tend to be bigger and faster than the younger ones even within the same year age group. So yes it screws someone over PERIOD. You may not care because it helps your kid, but keep in mind it does screw someone else over. I think the trapped player argument is overblown. Most high level teams train and play year round trying to keep their players from even playing High School to begin with. The lower levels have fixed the issue by having friendly seasons in the spring for U15 aged kids that are still in 8th grade. I know my kid actually played in that season even though he wasn't a trap year kid and simultaneously played for his HS and the spring friendly season. It was not that hard to do, and he did not get any fatigue from doing it. |
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Post by maze on Oct 29, 2024 19:00:25 GMT -5
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Post by maze on Nov 4, 2024 9:14:06 GMT -5
So if they go with a August 1st date then wouldn't that mean that you will have a number of kids in the state (GA) that would have to play with a younger class than currently? In other words, wouldn't you now have a group of sophomores playing on a team of mostly freshman instead of the other way around? Almost seems like you would make the cut off state specific since school starts differently in many states.
Sorry if already discussed somewhere in this thread.
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Post by atlnoleg on Nov 4, 2024 9:19:02 GMT -5
I would think they will leave it to each state to determine based on school cut-off dates. I think August 1 is being used because it catches all states. But there has to be some parents on here who had kids in club soccer before they switched it to calendar year. How did they do it back then?
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Post by redydc on Nov 4, 2024 11:00:10 GMT -5
So if they go with a August 1st date then wouldn't that mean that you will have a number of kids in the state (GA) that would have to play with a younger class than currently? In other words, wouldn't you now have a group of sophomores playing on a team of mostly freshman instead of the other way around? Almost seems like you would make the cut off state specific since school starts differently in many states. Sorry if already discussed somewhere in this thread. I *think* it remains to be determined, but logically, I think they would go strictly by graduation year. My 2011 son has an early August birthday and is in 8th grade. After the change, his entire team would be comprised of only players who are in that same grade (a combo of 2010 and 2011 players). If they make August 1st a hard cutoff, then he would be the sole 8th grader on a team of 7th graders, defeating the purpose of the graduation year change. I would assume players in his situation could simply "play up" to stay with the graduation year, but I guess that all has to be worked out. |
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Post by playfromtheback on Nov 4, 2024 11:03:49 GMT -5
My understanding (and I was not around in pre 2017/18) is that it will not be state by state. The date cut off, should this go through, will be 8/1 across the country. However, if someone wants to play up they can. So as an example, one of my son's friends is a current u13 7th grader with a birthday in late August. They would have the option if they wanted, to play up and be one of the youngest on the team but still play with his grade. You will still have a few trapped players (one example is one of my sons teammate a u13 6th grader with a July birthday), but I don't see a way you can fully eliminate that.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 4, 2024 11:04:17 GMT -5
no age group change will be perfect and there are always strange outliers where kids don't line up with their class -- it is what it is -- you can't make rules that satisfy all 100% all the time.
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Post by playfromtheback on Nov 4, 2024 11:49:41 GMT -5
no age group change will be perfect and there are always strange outliers where kids don't line up with their class -- it is what it is -- you can't make rules that satisfy all 100% all the time. I agree but I think this proposal does a much better job than what we currently have. You go from 1/3 of your players roughly being trapped players without any options to 1/12 of players (in GA) having the option to play up with your grade. You will still have a handful of kids who were held back that will be trapped but it puts kids in a much better place as a whole. |
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Post by glorioushistory on Nov 4, 2024 12:06:23 GMT -5
Hello. Friendly request for parents to post information directly from clubs concerning the age change. Any idea what the mlsnext clubs will do? What about sccl/nal/npl teams on mlsnext clubs? Thanks.
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Post by maze on Nov 4, 2024 13:30:27 GMT -5
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Post by soccernoleuk on Nov 4, 2024 18:12:35 GMT -5
I still don't understand why they are paying so much attention to when the player was born. Just make it based on the year they graduate. That will ensure all kids on a team are in the same grade, and more likely than not playing with people they know...if that is the goal to help stop players from leaving soccer.
I'm just thankful we are done after this year and won't have to deal with it any longer.
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Post by footyfan on Nov 4, 2024 22:28:18 GMT -5
Its all silliness in the data void but my thoughts on an age group change:
There are 2 purposes to this: USYS wants to keep the casual player (highest level is likely high school) from dropping out (registration $$$) and US Club wants to align with college since ~0% go straight pro from ECNL.
Given these two, I'd say they align with graduation year since that determines their likely friends group, when they go to college, and when they can be recruited.
At least on the boys side, MLS Next/USL Academy and USYNTs will stay birth year and focus on top .01% going pro.
It will be interesting to see if US Club and USYS work together to figure out the casual/college divide and let USYS have SCCL/local leagues & "below" and let US Club have regional leagues (ECNL-RL, NPL, EDP, etc) & above (ECNL, National League, etc)
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 10, 2024 0:36:41 GMT -5
Hey there,
We were sent a link to provide input from our club to US soccer. Check with your club to see if you can too. No clue how much it will get used.
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Post by rookiemom on Nov 11, 2024 10:42:13 GMT -5
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Post by playfromtheback on Nov 11, 2024 11:42:19 GMT -5
Thank you! I filled this out. But call me cynical but I find it hard to believe they are truly going to listen to the feedback that is being asked for now if they are truly voting on this in 11 days. Even with it closing tomorrow they will need to package it up and get it out to whoever is voting on it, which will take a few days. By the time they get it how will they have time to review all this feedback. Purely just my opinion but this is a done deal. It's just a matter of if it is fall of 25 or 26 that this takes place (my guess is 25). |
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Post by rifle on Nov 11, 2024 12:58:30 GMT -5
Whatever is decided..
Should come with an apology.
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Post by gob31 on Nov 11, 2024 13:32:49 GMT -5
I still don't understand why they are paying so much attention to when the player was born. Just make it based on the year they graduate. That will ensure all kids on a team are in the same grade, and more likely than not playing with people they know...if that is the goal to help stop players from leaving soccer. I'm just thankful we are done after this year and won't have to deal with it any longer. Because you already have kids redshirting for athletic reasons. My son has a kid who is almost 18 months older than him in his grade, with several others well over a year older. He's a young birthday but that's still a huge age gap. Now imagine that at the U10-U11 level. It makes a major difference. Going solely by graduation year would incentivize parents to hold their kids back so they are older, bigger, and stronger than their classmates. It already happens with some regularity in HS football and it's getting more common for students to repeat a grade in middle school to have an advantage in HS. I know of at least 2 cases within 15 minutes of me where this happened. With the hypercompetitive soccer market around Atlanta, I think you'd see stuff like that explode. If you think it's tough being at the end of the age range now, imagine if they also let kids who are 18-24 months older play in the same group. |
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Post by soccer1320 on Nov 11, 2024 13:51:16 GMT -5
"school year (August 1-July 31 or September 1-August 31) registration" This is straight from www.ussoccer.com/ecosystem-review/player-registration. Your child will not be playing with kids 24 months older. School year means being born (August 1-July 31 or September 1-August 31). Birth year means (January 1-December 31). Example 1- your child is born Sept of 2008. They will be on a 2008-2009 team that covers Aug 2008 bdays to July 2009 bdays. They will be one of the oldest. Example 2- your child is born July of 2008. They will be on 2007-2008 team that covers Aug 2007- July 2008. They will be the youngest. Teams should be as follows if there is a change UNLESS they start with September instead of August. Aug 2007- July 2008 Aug 2008-July 2009 Aug 2009- July 2010 Aug 2010- July 2011 Those of us who went through this in reverse with the older girls already know the process...  Unless I am completely wrong in which that is always a possibility! Please correct me! |
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Post by gob31 on Nov 11, 2024 14:35:39 GMT -5
"school year (August 1-July 31 or September 1-August 31) registration" This is straight from www.ussoccer.com/ecosystem-review/player-registration. Your child will not be playing with kids 24 months older. School year means being born (August 1-July 31 or September 1-August 31). Birth year means (January 1-December 31). Example 1- your child is born Sept of 2008. They will be on a 2008-2009 team that covers Aug 2008 bdays to July 2009 bdays. They will be one of the oldest. Example 2- your child is born July of 2008. They will be on 2007-2008 team that covers Aug 2007- July 2008. They will be the youngest. Teams should be as follows if there is a change UNLESS they start with September instead of August. Aug 2007- July 2008 Aug 2008-July 2009 Aug 2009- July 2010 Aug 2010- July 2011 Those of us who went through this in reverse with the older girls already know the process... Unless I am completely wrong in which that is always a possibility! Please correct me! Yeah, I absolutely understand how the proposed system will work. My response was to the person asking why not just use graduation year and not look at when a kid was born at all. |
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Post by rookiemom on Nov 11, 2024 15:04:48 GMT -5
Thank you! I filled this out. But call me cynical but I find it hard to believe they are truly going to listen to the feedback that is being asked for now if they are truly voting on this in 11 days. Even with it closing tomorrow they will need to package it up and get it out to whoever is voting on it, which will take a few days. By the time they get it how will they have time to review all this feedback. Purely just my opinion but this is a done deal. It's just a matter of if it is fall of 25 or 26 that this takes place (my guess is 25). Agree. Sounds like it's a done deal and this is just optics to make people feel like they were given an opportunity to be heard. |
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Post by just4kicks on Nov 21, 2024 10:09:20 GMT -5
The vote is tomorrow...what are we thinking??
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Post by footyfan on Nov 21, 2024 11:00:03 GMT -5
It's already decided.
It is easier to say that the suggested reduction in kids playing soccer "was bc that foreign coach changed it back to birth year" than to say "we have failed in our duty to govern soccer by allowing the growth of youth sanctioning bodies at the cost of a shrinking the player pool"
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Post by playfromtheback on Nov 21, 2024 11:27:00 GMT -5
I think the only question is, is it for Fall of 25 or Fall of 26.
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Post by soccersoccersoccer on Nov 21, 2024 11:47:08 GMT -5
Does anyone know if the meeting will be live-streamed? Or how and when to expect to hear the results of the vote?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 21, 2024 12:04:10 GMT -5
I'll go back years ago, they claimed they changed it for the top players to better align with what was done internationally etc.
i chimed in with "Yo, British dude, the top players don't even play youth soccer, there already "labeled" great and are home growns or are playing in USL, so this change won't make any difference for these kids"
British dude response "Doesn't matter, it's better for the game"
remember at the end of the day, we are stupid parents, and they are coaches who are geniuses in all facets of life.
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Post by hometeamsoccer on Nov 22, 2024 9:48:25 GMT -5
Does anyone know if the meeting will be live-streamed? Or how and when to expect to hear the results of the vote? It looks like they live stream their meetings on the us soccer youtube channel. I am not sure the time of the meeting, though, but if you follow the channel I imagine it will pop up when they go live. |
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Post by soccersoccersoccer on Nov 22, 2024 10:20:06 GMT -5
It’s live-streaming now
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Post by rpsoccer on Nov 22, 2024 10:32:01 GMT -5
It is live now
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Unless I am completely wrong in which that is always a possibility!