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Post by soccergirlz on Jul 1, 2024 8:05:06 GMT -5
Saw a post this morning that club soccer is going to back to graduation year vs birth year for age brackets in Fall of 2025.....Is this really happening?
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Post by newguy on Jul 1, 2024 8:47:00 GMT -5
Saw a post this morning that club soccer is going to back to graduation year vs birth year for age brackets in Fall of 2025.....Is this really happening? Any link? |
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Post by mightydawg on Jul 1, 2024 8:49:05 GMT -5
I would be surprised. Not to mention, if this were being done, it would have been announced before tryouts.
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Post by diamondmid on Jul 1, 2024 9:30:01 GMT -5
I would be surprised. Not to mention, if this were being done, it would have been announced before tryouts. Fall of 2025 - not this Fall (2024). Plenty of time to make that announcement. |
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Post by randomparent on Jul 1, 2024 10:02:19 GMT -5
Saw a post this morning that club soccer is going to back to graduation year vs birth year for age brackets in Fall of 2025.....Is this really happening? This is good news for everyone. |
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Post by playfromtheback on Jul 1, 2024 10:08:08 GMT -5
Saw a post this morning that club soccer is going to back to graduation year vs birth year for age brackets in Fall of 2025.....Is this really happening? This is good news for everyone. I don't know all the history as to why it isn't this way, but I do think this would be great. For my son personally (2012) he would benefit from this. If this doesn't change he would have to find something to do in the spring of his 8th grade year as he would be a u15 then his senior year integrate with a whole new group of boys. Is it the end of the world no, but would it be nice yes. Am I holding my breath that this will happen... NO |
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Post by lajolla39 on Jul 1, 2024 10:29:24 GMT -5
Currently "trapped" players can always choose to continue playing up with their current team if they want to. But this change would also allow them to play down with their classmates.
It only matters to recruiters at the u15 level. ECNL wants to make it a one stop shop for college coaches when the look to recruit u15/u16 players.
This change is going to split ECNL and GA events (specifically tournaments) if GA doesn't follow suit. If GA doesn't follow we'll end up with 2 top girls leagues that can't play each other. *
* Lower age ECNL grade aged teams could always play up at GA calendar based events again specifically tournaments. GA could do the same at ECNL tournaments.
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Post by gob31 on Jul 1, 2024 10:40:40 GMT -5
Saw a post this morning that club soccer is going to back to graduation year vs birth year for age brackets in Fall of 2025.....Is this really happening? This is good news for everyone. It's great news for kids who are redshirted or older in their grade because they now get to compete with younger kids. Your u10 tryout is going to look very different when a bunch of players who would have been u11 show up. My older son has a summer birthday but was ready to start kindergarten at 5, so is one of the younger kids in his class. He has multiple classmates who were redshirted are more than a year older and a couple that are 16-18 months older than him. That's a huge deal at the younger levels and is going to push the younger kids down the food chain where they'll get less attention and worse coaching. It could also increase kids being held back for athletic purposes, which is already becoming more and more common in HS football. Kids are repeating middle school grades so they are bigger, stronger, faster than their classmates. I'd hate to see this move to soccer as well. This might not be as big of a deal for older kids, but at the younger ages, the top teams are going to simply be the biggest and fastest kid who may be 15-18 months older than kids he's playing against (even more than now) At least in the current model, no one is more than 364 days older. A mid-level kid who is 15 months older than a good younger kid is likely going to get put on the higher team every time. |
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Post by randomparent on Jul 1, 2024 10:52:06 GMT -5
This is good news for everyone. It's great news for kids who are redshirted or older in their grade because they now get to compete with younger kids. Your u10 tryout is going to look very different when a bunch of players who would have been u11 show up. My older son has a summer birthday but was ready to start kindergarten at 5, so is one of the younger kids in his class. He has multiple classmates who were redshirted are more than a year older and a couple that are 16-18 months older than him. That's a huge deal at the younger levels and is going to push the younger kids down the food chain where they'll get less attention and worse coaching. It could also increase kids being held back for athletic purposes, which is already becoming more and more common in HS football. Kids are repeating middle school grades so they are bigger, stronger, faster than their classmates. I'd hate to see this move to soccer as well. This might not be as big of a deal for older kids, but at the younger ages, the top teams are going to simply be the biggest and fastest kid who may be 15-18 months older than kids he's playing against (even more than now) At least in the current model, no one is more than 364 days older. A mid-level kid who is 15 months older than a good younger kid is likely going to get put on the higher team every time. It is just switching the cut off to August 1st - July 31. Not by grade. It just lines up most kids (not all) so it is easier for college recruiters to recruit. Since no one (boys or girls) are playing meaningful professional soccer, seems like a no brainer. |
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Post by atlantagray on Jul 1, 2024 10:58:02 GMT -5
Currently "trapped" players can always choose to continue playing up with their current team if they want to. But this change would also allow them to play down with their classmates. It only matters to recruiters at the u15 level. ECNL wants to make it a one stop shop for college coaches when the look to recruit u15/u16 players. This change is going to split ECNL and GA events (specifically tournaments) if GA doesn't follow suit. If GA doesn't follow we'll end up with 2 top girls leagues that can't play each other. * * Lower age ECNL grade aged teams could always play up at GA calendar based events again specifically tournaments. GA could do the same at ECNL tournaments.
the GAL cope is embarrassing at this point- TH if one of a handful of top clubs left in GAL. I use the term "handful" generously. TH will continue to stay relevant despite GAL, and with multiple top clubs leaving GAL for ECNL year over year, GAL will 100% do everything in their power to keep TH |
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Post by lajolla39 on Jul 1, 2024 11:08:32 GMT -5
Currently "trapped" players can always choose to continue playing up with their current team if they want to. But this change would also allow them to play down with their classmates. It only matters to recruiters at the u15 level. ECNL wants to make it a one stop shop for college coaches when the look to recruit u15/u16 players. This change is going to split ECNL and GA events (specifically tournaments) if GA doesn't follow suit. If GA doesn't follow we'll end up with 2 top girls leagues that can't play each other. * * Lower age ECNL grade aged teams could always play up at GA calendar based events again specifically tournaments. GA could do the same at ECNL tournaments.
the GAL cope is embarrassing at this point- TH if one of a handful of clubs left in GAL. I use the term "handful" generously. TH will continue to stay relevant despite GAL, and with multiple top clubs leaving GAL for ECNL year over year, GAL will 100% do everything in their power to keep TH You seem so have a lot of hate for GAL. Let it go. Let the results speak for themselves. I'm just going to assume your kid doesn't play for a GAL club. What I see is ECNL has more top teams but once you get past the top 20 clubs GA and ECNL are pretty much the same thing. These are frighten words for some of the ECNL parents high on koolaid but it's true and you can see it by scrolling through the ranking app. |
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Post by atlantagray on Jul 1, 2024 12:51:50 GMT -5
"If GA doesn't follow we'll end up with 2 top girls leagues that can't play each other. *"
the GAL cope is embarrassing at this point- TH if one of a handful of clubs left in GAL. I use the term "handful" generously. TH will continue to stay relevant despite GAL, and with multiple top clubs leaving GAL for ECNL year over year, GAL will 100% do everything in their power to keep TH You seem so have a lot of hate for GAL. Let it go. Let the results speak for themselves. I'm just going to assume your kid doesn't play for a GAL club. What I see is ECNL has more top teams but once you get past the top 20 clubs GA and ECNL are pretty much the same thing. These are frighten words for some of the ECNL parents high on koolaid but it's true and you can see it by scrolling through the ranking app. nah I don't hate GAL by any means. Nor do I hate usys or ecrl or sccl. You seem to disregard any data or information that can be construed as negative in regard to gal. Let me remind you that recent news of top clubs fleeing gal for ecnl prompted you to post a "scoreboard" in here to control narrative by highlighting gal adding a score of what amount to rec clubs. your playing coy is just annoying (and funni.) |
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Post by proudplayer on Jul 1, 2024 13:15:50 GMT -5
Before these ECNL vs GAL arguments escalate into virtual punches, can anyone provide an actual reputable link announcing the new age changes for 2025?
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Post by soccergurl on Jul 1, 2024 13:27:09 GMT -5
You seem so have a lot of hate for GAL. Let it go. Let the results speak for themselves. I'm just going to assume your kid doesn't play for a GAL club. What I see is ECNL has more top teams but once you get past the top 20 clubs GA and ECNL are pretty much the same thing. These are frighten words for some of the ECNL parents high on koolaid but it's true and you can see it by scrolling through the ranking app. |me tink u vewy vewy funni| |me tink u di one tryin 2 gaslite us|
|me tink most kids not play gally in metro atlanta| |me tink u perpetuate hate btw ecnl & gally| |me tink i say again TH is a top tier club| |me tink u cum to ATL forum to promote gally| |me tink u hurt wen no bodi agree wit ur luv of gally| |me tink u still vewy vewy funni|
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Post by lajolla39 on Jul 1, 2024 13:46:14 GMT -5
You seem so have a lot of hate for GAL. Let it go. Let the results speak for themselves. I'm just going to assume your kid doesn't play for a GAL club. What I see is ECNL has more top teams but once you get past the top 20 clubs GA and ECNL are pretty much the same thing. These are frighten words for some of the ECNL parents high on koolaid but it's true and you can see it by scrolling through the ranking app. nah I don't hate GAL by any means. Nor do I hate usys or ecrl or sccl. You seem to disregard any data or information that can be construed as negative in regard to gal. Let me remind you that recent news of top clubs fleeing gal for ecnl prompted you to post a "scoreboard" in here to control narrative by highlighting gal adding a score of what amount to rec clubs. your playing coy is just annoying (and funni.) How is listing the teams that ECNL and GA added or lost controlling the narrative? If anything it provided details/facts that are often lost when people react emotionally. |
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Post by randomparent on Jul 1, 2024 14:49:11 GMT -5
Before these ECNL vs GAL arguments escalate into virtual punches, can anyone provide an actual reputable link announcing the new age changes for 2025? Just google it. |
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Post by mightydawg on Jul 1, 2024 15:31:32 GMT -5
For some of the newer members with younger kids, school year is the way that soccer was divided until August 1, 2017. Beginning on August 1, 2017, US Soccer moved to birth year registration to "help create clarity, improve understanding about developmental progress and enhance playing environments as a part of the U.S. Soccer Player Development Initiatives (PDI’s)."
Before the change, kids born in the earlier part of the calendar (Aug 1 to Dec 31) dominated top level teams. After the change, it created a hole because many of the "top" players were now the young kids at an older age group.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jul 1, 2024 18:15:35 GMT -5
#AgeMandate Loading... Are we regurgitating topics again? I believe this was discussed a few years ago. Like then, like I did 3 years ago, I'll take my leave of absence now and return in 2-3 weeks when it dies down. 🏃♀️🏃♀️🏃♀️ gasoccerforum.com/post/57207/thread |
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Post by soccerrivals on Jul 1, 2024 18:20:54 GMT -5
Before these ECNL vs GAL arguments escalate into virtual punches, can anyone provide an actual reputable link announcing the new age changes for 2025? Just google it. Google returns nothing about the mandate soccer year change. If there is any potential change, I'm sure all soccer forums will be filled with discussions. |
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Post by newguy on Jul 1, 2024 18:35:13 GMT -5
Google returns nothing about the mandate soccer year change. If there is any potential change, I'm sure all soccer forums will be filled with discussions. I did some digging because google wasn’t super helpful. It sounds like it was mentioned on some ECNL podcast (which I didn’t realize was a thing) by an anonymous academy director as something being announced soon. |
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Post by atlantagray on Jul 1, 2024 19:56:23 GMT -5
Google returns nothing about the mandate soccer year change. If there is any potential change, I'm sure all soccer forums will be filled with discussions. Best I've got is an Atlanta based girls ECNL director mentioned it to me Friday. |
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Post by triffling on Jul 1, 2024 20:16:13 GMT -5
And before the 2017 change the school year model was probably a 15 year thing. Soccer in the 80’s and 90’s was birth year.
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Post by gob31 on Jul 1, 2024 22:22:26 GMT -5
It's great news for kids who are redshirted or older in their grade because they now get to compete with younger kids. Your u10 tryout is going to look very different when a bunch of players who would have been u11 show up. My older son has a summer birthday but was ready to start kindergarten at 5, so is one of the younger kids in his class. He has multiple classmates who were redshirted are more than a year older and a couple that are 16-18 months older than him. That's a huge deal at the younger levels and is going to push the younger kids down the food chain where they'll get less attention and worse coaching. It could also increase kids being held back for athletic purposes, which is already becoming more and more common in HS football. Kids are repeating middle school grades so they are bigger, stronger, faster than their classmates. I'd hate to see this move to soccer as well. This might not be as big of a deal for older kids, but at the younger ages, the top teams are going to simply be the biggest and fastest kid who may be 15-18 months older than kids he's playing against (even more than now) At least in the current model, no one is more than 364 days older. A mid-level kid who is 15 months older than a good younger kid is likely going to get put on the higher team every time. It is just switching the cut off to August 1st - July 31. Not by grade. It just lines up most kids (not all) so it is easier for college recruiters to recruit. Since no one (boys or girls) are playing meaningful professional soccer, seems like a no brainer. Got it. So just going back to the way it used to be. It'll be interesting to see the impact on established teams if this is put in place. I deal with academy-aged kids, so this will cause a lot of movement. |
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Post by gob31 on Jul 1, 2024 22:26:13 GMT -5
And before the 2017 change the school year model was probably a 15 year thing. Soccer in the 80’s and 90’s was birth year. I played in the 80's and 90's and it was still school year. I was a summer birthday so was one of the younger players on my team, but a friend of mine with an early October birthday played a year younger. We still referred to it by birth year, but it was the school calendar that determined it. My friend was born in October of 1978 but played with the 79's, while I played with the 78's. Man, I feel old typing that out... |
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Post by gob31 on Jul 1, 2024 22:29:26 GMT -5
Before the change, kids born in the earlier part of the calendar (Aug 1 to Dec 31) dominated top level teams. After the change, it created a hole because many of the "top" players were now the young kids at an older age group. That hasn't really changed. My son's team is pretty strong, and they only have a handful of kids born after April. It just shifted the birth months that make up the top teams. |
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Post by footyfan on Jul 2, 2024 7:59:50 GMT -5
The age mandate was birth year until the 80s, then school year until 2017 and birth year since. That part is not up for discussion.
50% of the kids would benefit, 50% wouldn't. We just swap one group for the other.
The only reason USSF would switch back would be money. I don’t see the money in it for them. Maybe ECNL thinks they can make more money from the switch though.
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Post by randomparent on Jul 2, 2024 8:23:28 GMT -5
Before the change, kids born in the earlier part of the calendar (Aug 1 to Dec 31) dominated top level teams. After the change, it created a hole because many of the "top" players were now the young kids at an older age group. That hasn't really changed. My son's team is pretty strong, and they only have a handful of kids born after April. It just shifted the birth months that make up the top teams. This is misinformation. I am so sick of this garbage. You are telling me that my sons January 1st birthday gives him some sort of advantage? If other kids just worked harder maybe they wouldn't have to make excuses like, wow your son is taller than everyone else, or look how much strong he looks, nice mustache, or he is faster than the other kids. My son is only successful because he trains hard, if a kid with a December 30th birthday trained as hard as my kid they would accomplish the same things. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 2, 2024 8:33:34 GMT -5
yea if your kid is the younger half of the age group, its makes for a rocky junior and senior season as those teams have to merge twice. some teams were fortunate that each season the teams were heavy with the older half, but I've seen the opposite like this season, where so many 06s are coming back, there is no room for 07s at many positions.
look i never was a fan of the age mandate, it was an attempt to fix what was wrong with youth soccer, and we know it made no difference. Keep in mind, the cluster of the federation, it took more than 6 months for the feds and youth soccer to figure out if a kid was born in 2003 were they a u12 or u11......the DA apparently was using the "wrong" age group delineations for years...
it was a clown show. I've heard nothing about this, but I like the move, I assume MLS next would stay with birth year, having systems use different age groups is actually good, because it gives the younger half an opportunity to be the older players in the school year system. I remember when the kids were young, the top teams were mostly kids born Aug - Dec, the bigger older kids for sure.
seems this system is better for girls as well, where so many are recruited etc, makes it easier -
boys honestly, if a boy isn't at an mls club, there fate is already decided pretty much, so let them just enjoy soccer with their peers.
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Post by atlantagray on Jul 2, 2024 9:10:53 GMT -5
That hasn't really changed. My son's team is pretty strong, and they only have a handful of kids born after April. It just shifted the birth months that make up the top teams. This is misinformation. I am so sick of this garbage. You are telling me that my sons January 1st birthday gives him some sort of advantage? If other kids just worked harder maybe they wouldn't have to make excuses like, wow your son is taller than everyone else, or look how much strong he looks, nice mustache, or he is faster than the other kids. My son is only successful because he trains hard, if a kid with a December 30th birthday trained as hard as my kid they would accomplish the same things. relative age effect (RAE) data is pretty clear and the concept is becoming common knowledge. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/37/Month_of_birth_distribution_UEFA_youth_tournaments_2010.pdfAttachments:
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Post by footyfan on Jul 2, 2024 10:08:32 GMT -5
This is misinformation. I am so sick of this garbage. You are telling me that my sons January 1st birthday gives him some sort of advantage? If other kids just worked harder maybe they wouldn't have to make excuses like, wow your son is taller than everyone else, or look how much strong he looks, nice mustache, or he is faster than the other kids. My son is only successful because he trains hard, if a kid with a December 30th birthday trained as hard as my kid they would accomplish the same things. relative age effect (RAE) data is pretty clear and the concept is becoming common knowledge. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/37/Month_of_birth_distribution_UEFA_youth_tournaments_2010.pdfThe oldest in any grouping will be favored. Now it is Jan birth month. Redrawing the age groups just shifts the curve. If we return to school year, the peak would be at August(?) and fall off from there to July. I'm not saying I care which way it goes(school or birth). If USSF thinks they will keep more kids involved in soccer and therefore increase registration fees($$$), I could actually see them change. That said, currently if former "trap year" kids bump younger kids from the oldest combined birth year teams, they usually go to the second team or another club. So that registration fee isn't usually lost for USSF. |
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