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Post by soccerlegacy on May 22, 2018 14:35:44 GMT -5
Hypothetically, if the defender had stumbled but regained his footing and continued on would it have been called a foul? or was it only called a foul because the player went to the ground? My point is, he went to the ground of his own volition, hence, it wasn't a foul.
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 22, 2018 13:39:15 GMT -5
Ok, I'm not a ref, but IMHO it was incidental contact at best. That happens in soccer... players feet sometimes get tangled up, you can't call it every time someone falls down from that.
Second, I have watched it a few times, and the defender falls backwards, not forwards, which is what would happen running at a full sprint and someone truly clips the heels with enough force for the player to go down. Instead, it looks like he was either trying to make a slide tackle on the ball or he was flopping. My point is... Either way, the contact isn't what brought the defender down, so no foul should have been called.
Finally, if he would have taken more time in the VAR monitor and watched it a few times, he would have been able to see this as well. instead, he took one glance and made a call reversal.
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 22, 2018 8:46:51 GMT -5
I’ll tell you what’s wrong with youth soccer and it has to do with the pay to play system. There’s no true pay to play development clubs that have the right development structure paths for U5 - U14. Here in the United States we “officially” start competing at U9 - U12 for Academy. Tell me which clubs focus on development and not winning? None of them. Each club is the best at developing right? Wrong, besides most MLS academies, our youth system is still pay to play and the results are measured by wins and losses at Academy and even up to U14/15 levels. For what? Return on investment? Children grow physically and mentally the most for these ages and if we don’t focus on technical/tactical at the early ages then all is lost by the time they are teens. Unfortunately, clubs advertise Win Loss Records because this is the only way they can market themselves, keep growing. To some degree we, the parents, have only ourselves to blame for that. An example that comes to mind is the girl’s pre-academy coach at NTH- North (old NASA). He used to run u9-10 academy with a major concentration on fundamentals, footwork, etc, used true pool play, put the kids in different positions and especially tried to put them in positions where they weren’t naturally comfortable, etc. and he still does that with pre academy. But with the u9-10s the parents got upset about not winning games and complained. We were playing against u9 teams that had set teams, set positions, etc. Because of the pressure to win- from the parents- gradually I’ve seen academy change (over the last 10 years or so) to concentrate more on W’s and L’s. I understand the desire for instant gratification and getting a win now but it has changed how the kids are developed. It's been a while, but was that coach Ward?? If so, he was always in it for the kids.... don't even know if he's still around. There are still some pockets of good around. I know the small club one of my kids is at, still focuses on development over winning, with emphasis on fundamentals and footwork. But I don't think anyone uses true pool play anymore, which I don't think is as effective anyway.
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NPL ?
May 21, 2018 15:34:41 GMT -5
Post by soccerlegacy on May 21, 2018 15:34:41 GMT -5
Nope. doesn't have anything on expanding to two full seasons.
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NPL ?
May 21, 2018 14:34:18 GMT -5
Post by soccerlegacy on May 21, 2018 14:34:18 GMT -5
I have seen talk about NPL expanding to a fall and a spring schedule but can't seem to find any info on this to confirm it. Does anyone have any information on this, or a link, or something?
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 18, 2018 12:10:00 GMT -5
LOL.
Nobody knows yet what the comparisons will be... and that's from either side of this stupid, stupid turf war.
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 18, 2018 8:25:27 GMT -5
Thank you for posting this! This may be intriguing to my oldest child.
anyone else on here have experience with college club soccer?
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 18, 2018 8:15:13 GMT -5
Anyone know anything about the new staff at the announced NTH Milton area? Dont know anything about Mike G or the staff. Thoughts? Just be careful. They will sell it to you as the next big thing for their club, but it still takes getting the talent in there and that is harder and longer than you may think. Sure, you can have good coaches there, but to them its just a job, so they will work and coach no matter what the talent level is at. But if the top level players in the area don't come or the larger body of the organization doesn't force it's inclusion into the system, it will struggle for quite a few years. Just my thoughts.
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 18, 2018 8:06:38 GMT -5
I'd temper the expectations just a bit...
It's not easy to open a new branch and have it succeed for at least a few years... if ever...AND... the track record for NTH (or at least NASA at that time) does not make this a 100% lock. They opened a NASA-Cherokee branch years ago, and it was a complete dud. They now only play rec games out of the location. I get that everyone is enamored with NTH, but you'll have to wiat and see just how much focus is placed on building that up.
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 17, 2018 13:56:57 GMT -5
I have heard Dave Nier at Concorde West (formerly Concorde North) is an excellent coach and the kids and parents love him. Anyone on here know about him?
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 17, 2018 13:35:47 GMT -5
I absolutely think so... I called a friend and asked her how much she paid for her kids the last couple of years: I will highlight the U12 Fee Schedule 2016 - 2017 : $1,275 2017 - 2018 : $1,275 2018 - 2019 : $2,130 That is an almost $900 bump. I also see that the DA prices(fees) are not listed. I believe they were around $1995 the last couple of years, so I wonder what the prices for DA will be this year $2,500, $2,700, $3,000? I think academy fees(not DA) last year were $1915 Correct.
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 17, 2018 12:17:55 GMT -5
Ya think! And that doesn't even cover the extra $365 you have to pay at UFA - Forsyth if you don't live in the county.
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 16, 2018 11:03:45 GMT -5
On a similar yet different question... When can you guest play for another club?
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 15, 2018 10:42:04 GMT -5
Spot on! ... and I think the majority of parents and players feel the same way. But much like society, it's that small minority that screw it up for the rest of us and rules like those for tryouts get out in place.
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 14, 2018 15:16:28 GMT -5
Call me crazy - but club loyalty needs to fit into the equation. Yea I know it’s a 2 way street, but too often I see the club long timer booted for some random player that showed 5 mins of flash while going to 6 tryouts. Again - every kid on every team from DA down to team 10 should know where they stand this week. I have a kid that’s been at our club since he was 5 and I’m still amazed when the club and coaches can’t be honest with him/her and myself. Loyalty to me doesn’t necessarily mean your kid MAKEs THE TEAM, what it means is you are owed an honest conversation regardless of who is paying. That’s all I ask for, unfortunately I’m constantly disappointed..... honesty and proper communication goes a long way. Unfortunately, I have found UFA to be severely lacking in the honesty and communication department.
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 14, 2018 8:27:44 GMT -5
Not that it matters but how old was this ref? Second, I'm stunned that either coach didn't do anything. If I was a coach and saw a parent going on to the field, I would be meeting halfway across the field!!
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NPL ?
May 10, 2018 11:07:08 GMT -5
Post by soccerlegacy on May 10, 2018 11:07:08 GMT -5
Question... everyone is talking about the cost of ECNL and DA, but does NPL cost the same as well? I mean, with all the travel I would assume so, but I don't want to assume...
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 10, 2018 11:06:42 GMT -5
Question... everyone is talking about the cost of ECNL and DA, but does NPL cost the same as well? I mena, with all the travel I would assume so, but I don't want to assume...
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 9, 2018 14:25:09 GMT -5
Also I would not worry if your team does not get sccl. you are probably better off. Maybe, but what WILL suck is if you stay in Athena A and win it, but have no where to advance. Promotion/Relegation is sadly gone. Geez, WTH has happened with youth soccer? Sad days...
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 9, 2018 10:16:45 GMT -5
I have heard that currently their thought process is that the SCCL will played out of which ever branch is the strongest at any particular age group. In other words, after ECNL, the next highest team would get the SCCL.
For instance, if the next highest team is at Concorde North for say the U13 girls, that is where it will be based... but the U14's girls next highest is out of Concorde Central, then the SCCL would be based out of there. (FYI, I'm not with Concorde so those are fictitious examples, I have no idea who is the next highest team at any age group).
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 9, 2018 9:16:05 GMT -5
How was the college recruiting better at Chiefs vs GSA? I don't know much about Chiefs and I rarely see their teams playing in the major tournaments...I would like to hear more on how they do better that a Big 6 club. That's the thing many parents just don't know about. Players can and do get recruited from the non-mega clubs all the time. A good coach and club that cares about the kids on his team will work hand-in-hand with the players to get them exposed to recruiters. Sometimes the mega clubs are too big for their own good and just see numbers. What is important is finding a coach that is in it for the right reasons, knows what he's doing, and treats his kids as if they were his own. I have a family member that has coached at both big and small clubs. He isn't in it for the money, he just enjoys coaching. If you a child is lucky enough to get him as a coach, he will work to get your child in the door with the recruiters... calling them, emailing them, networking with college coaches he has relationships with. Many of his players have received scholarships due in no small part to his efforts... from the big and the small clubs he's been at. Many have said it on this forum, it's about finding the right coach, the club should be secondary.
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 8, 2018 13:09:17 GMT -5
To oraclesfriend and Slickdaddy... so you "heard" that there was a spring season for those 8th graders for Aug.-Dec. birthdays. Well, my kid got caught in that with the very first year of the age mandate, and let me tell you, there was NO season. So to me it sounds like you haven't experienced it and you're regurgitating what the clubs "sad" would happen. In reality it did not happen. And this will happen again when she is in 12th grade. It's hard to have to tell your kid, who just loves playing, that she will have to miss 2 full seasons because someone made a stupid decision that effects less than 1% of all kids playing soccer.
As for playing in the same grades, IMHO it does make a difference whether you are at the same school/class or not. The players have share the same experiences and tend to "click" with their own grade level. Just my observations...
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 8, 2018 12:37:29 GMT -5
I'm not sure why people were doubting and bashing SOURCE and georgiasoccer411 but they were being real about the situation. With much of the info now out, their stories check out for the most part. SCCL is just an overhyped classic 2 or 3 league. The idea is great but it's just another money grab at this moment. They could have hired a good consulting team to materialize this idea Epic but nope. Not in a mood to write all the things that could be done better with this league. Go and read some of the previous posts on this topic. Just another hustle, heck, even the sccl logo looks like a joke. Ga soccer, and non-SCCL clubs should come out winning in this. message for gasoccer : organize better and reduce travel, stop being greedy message for big 5: organize better, stop being greedy and hire real football people. example AU is doing great because AB hired Tata, Tony etc real football people. They even invested in a nice training facility and offer free development/training opportunity for their academy players message to the forum: stop jumping on every new trend and being at the mercy of these organizations. There are much better topics to discuss with the state of soccer than sccl. for instance, we have "coaching crisis", promotion or relegation, pay to play, Government soccer funding, soccer fields and facilities etc. I don't see why this league should be "overhyped classic 2 or 3". The level of play should be better than Classic 1/Athena A. The clubs created this league because they were dissatisfied with the organization and travel of SRPL and think they can do better. It is a low bar to beat. I am not associated with one of those clubs but it seems to me they might be very successful with a strong possibility to add a second division next year and a considerable threat to the smaller Atlanta based clubs. I will give examples from the division I am most familiar with, rising U16G Athena A. That division included teams from Savannah, Macon, Tifton, Columbus and Augusta, so travel was very bad for Atlanta teams. Teams now associated with the big 5 finished first, second, third, fifth and eighth. I imagine most parents from those teams are hoping their daughter plays SSCL rather than Athena A or NL this year. If SSCL is successful, my guess is the lower level teams from those clubs, and players from the smaller Atlanta clubs playing Athena A or B will be looking to join next year. I see that was your first post... nice to see someone new joining in! Just wanted to speak to your last point. Being that the SCCL is already a 3rd tier/4th tier in the pyrimad for some clubs, I wonder if the players (or their parents) from those smaller clubs that are playing Athena A or B would be able to justify driving longer distances to practices for the sake of making a lower tier team? Or would the vacant RPL spots left behind by those big 5 teams, which will now be there for the taking by the smaller clubs.. would make a move to one of the big 5 clubs less likely? It is a sh*t show for sure, curious (and a litle affraid) to see the all the happenings this tryout season.
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NPL ?
May 8, 2018 9:02:23 GMT -5
Post by soccerlegacy on May 8, 2018 9:02:23 GMT -5
I would like to hear from those that have had experience with NPL (particularly on the girls side, but all comments are welcome). I have one friend whose daughter played in it last year and she said the competition was not very good (and I'm being polite when I say that). With the changes occurring with SCCL, and it being even further from our home (too far now), her only other option, if she were to stay at her club (yes, UFA-Forsyth), would be to play for the NPL team, but is it worth it?
I don't want all the travel and cost if we are to play inferior teams, but I don't want to base it off of just one persons perspective. Can anyone share their thoughts on NPL/ And will the changes make it a stronger league now?
Any comments are appreciated.
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 7, 2018 15:53:16 GMT -5
To me it has nothing to do with helping or hurting the late birthdays vs the early ones. It has to do with playing with kids that are in your same grade which most times means your friends from school. Well that... and the whole 8th-9th and 12th grade spring seasons being basically lost.
The reason to change would be to fix a dumb decision in the first place...
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 4, 2018 13:41:02 GMT -5
Would it be current music or something that parents would listen to? Are you saying parents don't listen to current music? Well... I guess I'm thinking of myself, LOL... just not a fan of very many of the "artists" kids listen to today. I speaking of stuff that is less mainstream and more "high school age" centric.
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 4, 2018 13:35:38 GMT -5
I have never understood the reason for cheerleaders in this day and age. It's just pointless, IMHO.
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 4, 2018 12:43:55 GMT -5
Depends... What is the music playing? It could be really annoying having to listen to crappy music for an entire match. Like having to listen to vuvuzelas...
Would it be current music or something that parents would listen to?
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 4, 2018 9:39:17 GMT -5
Sounds about right and pretty much what my eyes have shown me in watching both leagues.
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 3, 2018 15:45:02 GMT -5
I just feel sorry for any of the new members that are joining having to read through that monster of a thread about the teams being "kicked out"! LOL It'll make your eyes crossed and your head hurt.
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