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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Aug 23, 2019 9:20:09 GMT -5
Here we go again. Disappointing loss to Purdue. Granted it was an away game but we play in one toughest conferences and loss. This is an embarrassment to soccer in Georgia. We have one of the greatest talent pools here but continue to lose out because no one wants to go to a losing program.
Before anybody says the girls are leaving for better opportunity to to play elsewhere I say Bullsh&t. Girls are going elsewhere because they don't want to go to a losing program. Since 2015 to now we are 19-45-9. I hate for people to lose their job but it is time for a change. I don't know who but there has to be a good mid-major coach that would be more then happy to come to Georgia. We need a new exciting coach who can energize the program and keep some of our top talent in Georgia.
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Post by 04gparent on Aug 23, 2019 9:53:53 GMT -5
Here we go again. Disappointing loss to Purdue. Granted it was an away game but we play in one toughest conferences and loss. This is an embarrassment to soccer in Georgia. We have one of the greatest talent pools here but continue to lose out because no one wants to go to a losing program. Before anybody says the girls are leaving for better opportunity to to play elsewhere I say Bullsh&t. Girls are going elsewhere because they don't want to go to a losing program. Since 2015 to now we are 19-45-9. I hate for people to lose their job but it is time for a change. I don't know who but there has to be a good mid-major coach that would be more then happy to come to Georgia. We need a new exciting coach who can energize the program and keep some of our top talent in Georgia. So just curious. What makes Georgia > Purdue? Your whole post is based on the premise that Georgia > Purdue in soccer. Why? I am not defending the coach or the program. Before I can say the 1 goal loss is a MAJOR dissappointment I have to base this on expectations.... |
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Post by soccerloafer on Aug 23, 2019 9:58:02 GMT -5
Here we go again. Disappointing loss to Purdue. Granted it was an away game but we play in one toughest conferences and loss. This is an embarrassment to soccer in Georgia. We have one of the greatest talent pools here but continue to lose out because no one wants to go to a losing program. Before anybody says the girls are leaving for better opportunity to to play elsewhere I say Bullsh&t. Girls are going elsewhere because they don't want to go to a losing program. Since 2015 to now we are 19-45-9. I hate for people to lose their job but it is time for a change. I don't know who but there has to be a good mid-major coach that would be more then happy to come to Georgia. We need a new exciting coach who can energize the program and keep some of our top talent in Georgia. So just curious. What makes Georgia > Purdue? Your whole post is based on the premise that Georgia > Purdue in soccer. Why? I am not defending the coach or the program. Before I can say the 1 goal loss is a MAJOR dissappointment I have to base this on expectations.... Georgia is within a stone's throw of one of the nations top markets for developing great female players. Purdue is in a cornfield (ok, it's a really good school of similar size to UGA). UGA is not attracting top players from the local clubs. A dynamic and exciting coach would. Vanderbilt, for example, has risen from the bottom to the top of the SEC by heavily recruiting from Atlanta clubs. Give the right situation, no reason UGA could not attract the same caliber of player. For what it's worth, I am not a UGA alum, necessarily a fan, or plan to have my kids attend there. So this is a pretty neutral commentary on what I've seen of the local programs over the past few years. |
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Post by 04gparent on Aug 23, 2019 10:15:26 GMT -5
So just curious. What makes Georgia > Purdue? Your whole post is based on the premise that Georgia > Purdue in soccer. Why? I am not defending the coach or the program. Before I can say the 1 goal loss is a MAJOR dissappointment I have to base this on expectations.... Georgia is within a stone's throw of one of the nations top markets for developing great female players. Purdue is in a cornfield (ok, it's a really good school of similar size to UGA). UGA is not attracting top players from the local clubs. A dynamic and exciting coach would. Vanderbilt, for example, has risen from the bottom to the top of the SEC by heavily recruiting from Atlanta clubs. Give the right situation, no reason UGA could not attract the same caliber of player. For what it's worth, I am not a UGA alum, necessarily a fan, or plan to have my kids attend there. So this is a pretty neutral commentary on what I've seen of the local programs over the past few years. I admit I am playing devil's advocate here, but Purdue sits halfway between 2 major cities that also develop top Girls talent (Chicago, Indianapolis). They have every right to be good also... Once again not defending the coach as I agree his record should be better! I also believe this is probably a make or break season for him. I also believe UGA has an issue with funding when it comes to women's soccer. Other like program in Southeast are putting more resources in their women's soccer program (Vandy, Clemson, South Carolina). Go to those campuses and tour the facilities for women's soccer... It will open your eyes as to why they may be missing on certain recruits. I hope UGA turns it around. It would be greate for them to put out a quality product. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 23, 2019 10:19:37 GMT -5
Not a fan of UGA at all, but having been in Athens for both the Holeman and Lesesne eras, comparing the two is not even close...and I'm not saying Holeman wasn't a great coach.
That said, they also tied Duke and the loss to Purdue was not a bad one. The season is long but I don't have high expectations for the team, will see.
On the plus side, next weekend UGA will host a mini-tourney next weekend with Auburn, Maryland and Va Tech. 2 games Friday, 2 games Sunday. Will try to make 2-3 of them.
Friday: 4:30 PM Auburn vs Maryland, 7 PM UGA vs Va Tech
Sunday: 12 PM UGA vs Maryland, 2:30 PM Auburn vs Va Tech
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Aug 23, 2019 10:22:39 GMT -5
Here we go again. Disappointing loss to Purdue. Granted it was an away game but we play in one toughest conferences and loss. This is an embarrassment to soccer in Georgia. We have one of the greatest talent pools here but continue to lose out because no one wants to go to a losing program. Before anybody says the girls are leaving for better opportunity to to play elsewhere I say Bullsh&t. Girls are going elsewhere because they don't want to go to a losing program. Since 2015 to now we are 19-45-9. I hate for people to lose their job but it is time for a change. I don't know who but there has to be a good mid-major coach that would be more then happy to come to Georgia. We need a new exciting coach who can energize the program and keep some of our top talent in Georgia. So just curious. What makes Georgia > Purdue? Your whole post is based on the premise that Georgia > Purdue in soccer. Why? I am not defending the coach or the program. Before I can say the 1 goal loss is a MAJOR dissappointment I have to base this on expectations.... I am basing this on Georgia playing in a much tougher conference then the Big 10. Basing in on never heard Indiana being a hot bed for women's soccer. Don't get me wrong not saying the Big 10 and Purdue our garbage but I feel we should be much better then we are. We have a program such as KSU (lower program in my mind then Georgia) getting recruits to stay here and out preforming Georgia. In case you forgot KSU beat Georgia last year. I have no dig in this fight I just want to see our home grown girls stay here and shine. What better place to shine then UGA |
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Aug 23, 2019 10:26:31 GMT -5
Not a fan of UGA at all, but having been in Athens for both the Holeman and Lesesne eras, comparing the two is not even close...and I'm not saying Holeman wasn't a great coach. That said, they also tied Duke and the loss to Purdue was not a bad one. The season is long but I don't have high expectations for the team, will see. On the plus side, next weekend UGA will host a mini-tourney next weekend with Auburn, Maryland and Va Tech. 2 games Friday, 2 games Sunday. Will try to make 2-3 of them. Friday: 4:30 PM Auburn vs Maryland, 7 PM UGA vs Va Tech Sunday: 12 PM UGA vs Maryland, 2:30 PM Auburn vs Va Tech I would like to see if Duke played their starters for this one? If I recall it was an exhibition game. |
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Post by mightydawg on Aug 23, 2019 10:29:53 GMT -5
Like a number of sports, if UGA can keep talented kids within a 5 hour drive from campus in state, it would be top notch in almost every sport. When a new coach starts, the coach has to sell players on a dream and starting a new tradition at the school. That generally lasts for 2 to 3 years. If the results do not come after that point, it is really hard to sell the players of why they should come to your school. Lesesne's era has been the worst era in UGA soccer history. Bill Barker never had a losing season. Sue Patberg had 2 losing seasons out of 5. Patrick Barker never had a losing season. Steve Holeman had 1 losing season out of 5. Lesesne has had 4 losing seasons. In fact, Lesesne has had the 4 worst seasons in Georgia history. 7 losing seasons out of 24 and 4 of those are on Lesesne's watch. Time for a change.
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Post by fridge on Aug 23, 2019 10:38:23 GMT -5
Rather than speculate, look at Purdue's record. Last year, Purdue was second from the bottom at 1W/7L/3D and 6/8/4 overall. They didn't make the Big Ten tourney. This year they lost to Xavier and beat Marquette. So frankly, a team that one would hope UGA would beat. I didn't see the game. Maybe UGA outshot them 20/1 and Purdue got lucky. Early in the season, but UGA needs to turn it around. From what I see they have good keeper play and reduced how many goals they give up per game. But they are not scoring--last year I believe they averaged less than a goal a game and this stat is distorted bc they got a bunch (6?) of goals against Charlotte.
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Aug 23, 2019 10:54:00 GMT -5
Time to get futsalgawdess out of retirement. If I remember correctly I think she played and coached overseas. Is very knowledgeable of the game and sounds like she is tied in to many of the clubs locally.
My vote is for her, would definitely be better then what we have now. I be the first to buy a ticket if she takes the job
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 23, 2019 11:08:23 GMT -5
like always, SEC play will determine their fate -- the SEC is no longer a cake walk dominated by the Gators. The league probably doesn't have a national title contender but week to week the top 1/2 bring it.
With a talent pool as rich as Georgia, you have to lock down your borders and retain your top players. Its why the hoops team struggles, top talent leaves the state. The top girls are just not truly considering Georgia. And international players are starting to play a huge roll as well in the women's college game.
Georgia's goal this should be win 5 games in the SEC
In the SEC the past 4 seasons they were
1-6-3 in 2018/19
0-9-1 in 2017/18
3-8-0 in 2016/17
4-7-0 in 2015/16
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 23, 2019 13:20:55 GMT -5
What's actually more surprising is that USCeast (gamecocks) have a much better soccer program than UGA. USCeast has 5 Georgia players on their roster of 30 (and only 5 from SC) and is ranked #16 on TDS. Georgia actually has 16 Georgia girls on their roster of 33. On a side note, I'll bet that if MLS can keep getting bigger domestically, you may see more SEC schools add men's soccer in the next 5-10 years.
BTW, I think the ACC is the toughest conference in womens soccer. UNC & Duke...plus returning champions FSU.
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Aug 23, 2019 15:58:31 GMT -5
I agree the ACC is the toughest conference.
1) ACC
2) PAC12
3) SEC
4) Big 12/Big 10
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Post by soccerguru on Aug 23, 2019 22:14:27 GMT -5
EM is a beast at goal for UGA Women's soccer. She's been a stud her entire life and I think she is an amazing young lady and I've known her since she was in 2nd grade.
Most of the top talent in Women's soccer in GA leave for "big time" programs. You can't blame them for wanting to compete for a National title.
UGA is the cream in regards to Football, Gymnastics, and country club sports Equestrian, Tennis and Golf. Besides that they do not get the very best athletes. Many reasons exist.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Aug 25, 2019 14:05:01 GMT -5
@goalkeeper Dad thanks for the vote of confidence but alas, I don't see that in the cards. The politics alone would drive me insane. Plus I'm Carolina Blue. With that being said, UGA should be putting a better product on the field. Most soccer players also tend to be halfway decent students, so I would couple regular scholarship offers with the Hope as a tool to attract the local talent. I haven't seen the team this season but if I remember correctly they had/have two wingers-backs that need some help up the spine. I think if their middle is sured up, they could make a good showing in the SEC.
However, I believe your logic of the type of Coach UGA needs is on the right track. You want a dynamic, successful coach, who understands the landscape of soccer in the Metro Atlanta area. I'm thinking someone who has coached and even lead a successful club for girls like say, hmmm, Tophat. UGA needs someone who has found success wherever they've been and who has coached on the east coast(Clemson), the midwest(Missouri), the southwest(Texas Tech) and the west coast(Washington, State). Having coached across the 4 corners of the country there is some validity and cache when they reach out to recruit you because you know they bring a winning mentality.
I'm sure some of you old timers on here know who I have in mind. I know TS would love to return to Georgia but then again that brings up the other elephant in the room $$$ UGA does not pay it's soccer coaches a lot. Let me be clear, $150K is no chump change but when you're making more than twice and almost three times that amount, it's hard to walk away from that security.
Sadly, BL will first have to make way for any new blood to replace him. Not sure what the contract situation is but to save the program, UGA may have to pull the trigger and give him a buyout.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 26, 2019 10:22:10 GMT -5
This is pretty clutch from fsu:
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 26, 2019 11:39:50 GMT -5
This is pretty clutch from fsu: Golazo! I watched the first half of the game and it was an entertaining match. Clearly some great players on both sides. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 26, 2019 13:05:22 GMT -5
They need to pay the soccer players as well as the football players.
"-)
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Post by mightydawg on Aug 27, 2019 10:00:54 GMT -5
What's actually more surprising is that USCeast (gamecocks) have a much better soccer program than UGA. USCeast has 5 Georgia players on their roster of 30 (and only 5 from SC) and is ranked #16 on TDS. Georgia actually has 16 Georgia girls on their roster of 33. On a side note, I'll bet that if MLS can keep getting bigger domestically, you may see more SEC schools add men's soccer in the next 5-10 years.
BTW, I think the ACC is the toughest conference in womens soccer. UNC & Duke...plus returning champions FSU.
Men soccer is not being added and will not be added to big state schools that do not already have programs. Title IX requires that the number of athletic scholarships be 50/50 between men and women or match the student body population. Football is 85 male scholarships. It takes alot of women's sports to make up for football. Most large state schools have a majority women student body. In order to add men's soccer, the school would need to add at least 1 if not 2 additional women's sports. At most schools, the only sports making money are football, men's basketball and women's basketball. There are a few outliers at different schools but that it is. Athletic departments are not going to add sports that lose money that they are not required by law to add. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 27, 2019 10:46:40 GMT -5
That was future talk. So you're saying college athletic departments don't pay attention to popularity trends of professional sports?
If they can add men's soccer that makes a little money, I'm sure they can find another women's sport to balance out those 10-14 scholarships (see equestrian).
Also, I don't know how it is at other schools, but UGA doesn't even charge for attendance at women's soccer games. Perhaps they could alleviate some of their budget shortfall by charging $5 for adults (under 16) for attendance. I know Auburn charges an admission fee.
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Aug 27, 2019 11:09:45 GMT -5
That was future talk. So you're saying college athletic departments don't pay attention to popularity trends of professional sports? If they can add men's soccer that makes a little money, I'm sure they can find another women's sport to balance out those 10-14 scholarships (see equestrian). Also, I don't know how it is at other schools, but UGA doesn't even charge for attendance at women's soccer games. Perhaps they could alleviate some of their budget shortfall by charging $5 for adults (under 16) for attendance. I know Auburn charges an admission fee. I agree with charging if necessary but they can't even think about doing that until they put out a winning program. Hell a .500 team. Also I think Georgia is 3-4 richest athletic department in the nation they can afford to pay a little more to get a dynamic coach to come to Georgia. From what I heard the football team recruiting budget this past year was 2.5 million dollars. I think they can spare about 100K and be just fine just my opinion |
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Aug 27, 2019 11:15:22 GMT -5
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 27, 2019 11:30:44 GMT -5
Also, I don't know how it is at other schools, but UGA doesn't even charge for attendance at women's soccer games. Perhaps they could alleviate some of their budget shortfall by charging $5 for adults (under 16) for attendance. I know Auburn charges an admission fee.
Nobody will pay. It doesn't help that the stadium is a couple of miles from the main campus and downtown... well, and the whole 'they suck' part.
UNC charges roughly $5 (season ticket is $34).. and they're a wee bit better.
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Post by soccerloafer on Aug 27, 2019 12:04:05 GMT -5
What's actually more surprising is that USCeast (gamecocks) have a much better soccer program than UGA. USCeast has 5 Georgia players on their roster of 30 (and only 5 from SC) and is ranked #16 on TDS. Georgia actually has 16 Georgia girls on their roster of 33. On a side note, I'll bet that if MLS can keep getting bigger domestically, you may see more SEC schools add men's soccer in the next 5-10 years.
BTW, I think the ACC is the toughest conference in womens soccer. UNC & Duke...plus returning champions FSU.
Men soccer is not being added and will not be added to big state schools that do not already have programs. Title IX requires that the number of athletic scholarships be 50/50 between men and women or match the student body population. Football is 85 male scholarships. It takes alot of women's sports to make up for football. Most large state schools have a majority women student body. In order to add men's soccer, the school would need to add at least 1 if not 2 additional women's sports. At most schools, the only sports making money are football, men's basketball and women's basketball. There are a few outliers at different schools but that it is. Athletic departments are not going to add sports that lose money that they are not required by law to add. Well, actually, unless the NCAA clamps down on it, there will be a lot more men playing soccer in the next few years... for women's teams. They just have to claim to identify as a female. If you think I'm kidding, look at track and field this past year. |
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Post by firedragon on Aug 28, 2019 21:49:29 GMT -5
It’s pathetic that Georgia doesn’t have a men’s soccer team. And don’t give me that old Title IX excuse. Clemson has a men’s soccer team and they’re also the National Champs of college football.
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 28, 2019 22:28:25 GMT -5
It’s pathetic that Georgia doesn’t have a men’s soccer team. And don’t give me that old Title IX excuse. Clemson has a men’s soccer team and they’re also the National Champs of college football. Pretty sure none of the SEC schools have men's soccer. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 28, 2019 22:33:44 GMT -5
It’s pathetic that Georgia doesn’t have a men’s soccer team. And don’t give me that old Title IX excuse. Clemson has a men’s soccer team and they’re also the National Champs of college football. Pretty sure none of the SEC schools have men's soccer. South cackalacka And Kentucky |
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 29, 2019 8:54:30 GMT -5
Pretty sure none of the SEC schools have men's soccer. South cackalacka And Kentucky Interesting - TIL. What conference do they play in? Can't have 2-team conference, right? |
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Post by firedragon on Aug 29, 2019 9:50:17 GMT -5
South Carolina and Kentucky play in Conference USA for men’s soccer. As a side note, I’ve written the athletic director of UGA about this. I don’t just complain on forums. I’m a graduate of UGA and have skin in the game.
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Post by mightydawg on Aug 29, 2019 10:27:29 GMT -5
It’s pathetic that Georgia doesn’t have a men’s soccer team. And don’t give me that old Title IX excuse. Clemson has a men’s soccer team and they’re also the National Champs of college football. Clemson has had a men's soccer team since 1967, well before Title IX came into effect. Clemson's student body is also 52% male. UGA's student body is 43% male. Clemson has 8 male sports and 9 female sports. UGA has 8 male sports and 11 female sports. Why are more female sports offered at both schools? Title IX. Clemson and UGA offer the same male sports except Clemson has men's soccer and UGA has swimming and diving. Could UGA drop swimming and diving and start men's soccer? Sure but not likely considering the rich history of swimming and diving at UGA. However, you can't look at these stats and say that Title IX does not have an impact on the lack of male sports at colleges with major football programs. |
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