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Post by firedragon on Aug 29, 2019 10:58:13 GMT -5
You’re right. Title IX does inhibit the formation of a men’s soccer team at UGA. I just don’t care. Where there’s a will, there’s a way. It’s the will that’s missing right now.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 29, 2019 11:16:56 GMT -5
You’re right. Title IX does inhibit the formation of a men’s soccer team at UGA. I just don’t care. Where there’s a will, there’s a way. It’s the will that’s missing right now. I agree with you. Besides Title IX (in its updated form) is appropriate. There must be an equal number of scholarships available for both genders. What will be interesting to see over time (may take many years) is whether CTE will cause enough of an issue with American football participation to cause schools to drop it and thus open up more sports options for men. Sooner or later there will be schools that drop football. It may take 20 years for it to be more than onesies twosies but I think it will happen. Regardless, there are many other sports available for women and men that could be added to SEC programs so that soccer could be added. Stanford has 36 sports to UGA's 23. |
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Post by firedragon on Aug 29, 2019 11:26:55 GMT -5
Since Atlanta United came along, soccer has exploded on the scene in Georgia. In ten years we’re gonna see some serious talent coming out of this stare. I’d love to see it go to my alma mater instead of being sucked away to Georgia Southern, Georgia State, South Carolina, North Carolina, and so on.
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Post by atv on Aug 29, 2019 11:48:35 GMT -5
I believe UGA could make the scholarship count work for men’s soccer (Title ix), if they wanted to. They may have to add another women’s sport to do it. However, the main reason they will not add a men’s soccer team is they consider it to be a non-revenue producing sport.
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Post by firedragon on Aug 29, 2019 14:44:34 GMT -5
Penny wise, pound foolish
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 29, 2019 16:06:12 GMT -5
Perhaps. Looks like Carolina's mens soccer games are pretty well attended. I'm willing to bet its a really good event to attend friday nights before home football games.
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Post by atv on Aug 29, 2019 16:28:33 GMT -5
Perhaps. Looks like Carolina's mens soccer games are pretty well attended. I'm willing to bet its a really good event to attend friday nights before home football games. . I think so too. However, small but I think it would at least draw similar attendance to baseball. Obviously, not football but Foley Field seats about 3k. Anyway, historically this has been the reason given. |
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Post by mightydawg on Aug 29, 2019 16:46:09 GMT -5
The money does not work out. University of Georgia spent $17,158,481 on women's teams and received $4,468,001 in revenue. Think about that for a minute. That is an average cost of $1.5 million per women's sport with average revenue of $400,000. That is $1.1 million loss per team. I would be willing to bet that most of the $4.4 million in revenue came from women's basketball due to TV contracts and from UGA's gymnastics. When there are only 3 sports that bring in the money (football, men's BB and women's BB), it is really hard to justify adding another loss to the books unless required by law to do so.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 29, 2019 17:09:01 GMT -5
That's why football should always have been taking out of the title ix equation. just too many scholarships to offset.
I don't see any big time colleges adding a non-revenue generating male sport any time soon. We can dream, but UGA and GA tech aren't adding a men's program. Only way it would happen is if the conference laid down the law and somehow was able to turn a profit on the sport.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 29, 2019 17:23:48 GMT -5
All true. But it helps if you charge admission. Women's gymnastics does. Women's soccer is pretty well attended also. Hell, you have to pay to attend middle school sports.
I personally don't care if UGA gets men's soccer. Hell, I'd be fine if the rest of the SEC does and uga doesn't. The point is somehow the cocks and the cats make it work with smaller budgets.
Also, I think they should take the college out of college football. Just make it semi-pro (it already is) and a fundraising arm of the colleges.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 29, 2019 19:35:37 GMT -5
The money does not work out. University of Georgia spent $17,158,481 on women's teams and received $4,468,001 in revenue. Think about that for a minute. That is an average cost of $1.5 million per women's sport with average revenue of $400,000. That is $1.1 million loss per team. I would be willing to bet that most of the $4.4 million in revenue came from women's basketball due to TV contracts and from UGA's gymnastics. When there are only 3 sports that bring in the money (football, men's BB and women's BB), it is really hard to justify adding another loss to the books unless required by law to do so. First the university won't make any money from a sport if it doesn't charge for it. The only other options to make money are merchandise and camps. Second, the goal of a university is to educate its student body. I think we can all agree that sports provide an invaluable education. Many of the CEOs of large corporations were college athletes. The university must extend those opportunities to all of its student body or none. Full stop. Finally, universities (at least all of the ones of which we are speaking) are not for profit so as long as the university isn't going into the red as a whole adding another non-revenue producing sport should not be a big deal. Most of these schools have huge athletic budgets and can afford to add more sports. We can support the schools by attending their games. Charge $2 or 3 for a women's match and I don't think you will see a drop off in attendance and you will make a couple thousand per game. As for UGA mistergrinch is right...the field location precludes the casual student fan from just strolling over from their dorm or apartment. That doesn't help UGA |
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Post by atv on Aug 29, 2019 19:38:24 GMT -5
UGA can always add women’s rowing....
Report sheds further light on football schools boosting women's rowing rosters to comply with Title IX (Yahoo News)
Clemson boasts a large women’s rowing roster with many who've never competed in the sport. Since the dawn of Title IX in 1972 there has been debate about how to balance men’s and women’s rosters so that schools meet the first prong of the law. Most colleges abide by the statute through equitable athletic opportunities to male and female athletes, which can be difficult with football rosters eclipsing the 100-man mark.
Clemson and Alabama are among a growing number of successful football schools building huge women’s rowing rosters to meet Title IX eligibility requirements.
(Who knows in a few years the US might win a world title in rowing as well)
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Post by girlsoccer on Aug 30, 2019 6:32:44 GMT -5
The money does not work out. University of Georgia spent $17,158,481 on women's teams and received $4,468,001 in revenue. Think about that for a minute. That is an average cost of $1.5 million per women's sport with average revenue of $400,000. That is $1.1 million loss per team. I would be willing to bet that most of the $4.4 million in revenue came from women's basketball due to TV contracts and from UGA's gymnastics. When there are only 3 sports that bring in the money (football, men's BB and women's BB), it is really hard to justify adding another loss to the books unless required by law to do so. Colleges aren’t for-profit corporations. Sports don’t have to “make money” to be valuable or even viable. If a sport was required to create net revenue there would be no college sports of any sort aside from football and an occasional basketball team. |
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Post by atv on Aug 30, 2019 8:15:22 GMT -5
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Post by olderthandirt on Aug 30, 2019 8:38:21 GMT -5
UGA can always add women’s rowing.... (Who knows in a few years the US might win a world title in rowing as well) For information purposes only:
All-Time Olympic Medals in Rowing:
1. USA 89 Total (33 Gold) 2. Great Britain 68 Total (31 Gold)
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 30, 2019 10:23:06 GMT -5
Not sure why the math seems hard.
Title IX says equal number of scholarships for men and women.
Football eats 85 scholarships.
How many women's sports are needed to make 85? Once you hit that point, then you can start adding other mens sports and women's sports equally.
You want to add men's soccer? That's 9.9 scholarships per team (how on earth the NCAA came up with a fractional number.. words fail). Now you have to add 9.9 scholarships for a women's sport.
The issue is that you already had to add a BUNCH of women's sports to offset football.
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Post by atv on Aug 30, 2019 11:01:53 GMT -5
Men’s college soccer is frankly stagnant in this country. It has experienced virtually zero growth since the 70’s because of a number of different factors, Title IX, concern of adding a non revenue producing sport, conference acceptance etc. I can’t find the article anymore but read a while back that BYU in an attempt to find a better future for men's soccer at a collegiate level had a team in USL 2 (formerly the PDL). I believe this experiment is still on-going and the team is thriving.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 30, 2019 12:25:38 GMT -5
Men’s college soccer is frankly stagnant in this country. It has experienced virtually zero growth since the 70’s because of a number of different factors, Title IX, concern of adding a non revenue producing sport, conference acceptance etc. I can’t find the article anymore but read a while back that BYU in an attempt to find a better future for men's soccer at a collegiate level had a team in USL 2 (formerly the PDL). I believe this experiment is still on-going and the team is thriving. wow -- never knew that about BYU, very intersting read on wiki en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYU_Cougars_men%27s_soccerlooks like starting in 2017, they decided to go back to collegiate club ball. soccer.byu.edu/content/cougars-return-collegiate-club-statusCougars Return to Collegiate Club Status The Brigham Young University men’s soccer team has announced that it is returning to the collegiate club ranks for the 2017 season. The move ends 15 seasons of competing in the Premier Development League (PDL). BYU will join the NIRSA Championship Series and compete in the West Coast Division. The Cougars will play nine regular-season games against such in-state foes as Utah State, Utah, Utah Valley and Weber State. In late October, the regional tournament will be hosted at Utah Valley University with the winner moving on to the national championship in Arizona. Some of the recent national champions include Virginia, North Carolina and Ohio State. “BYU men’s soccer is excited to return to collegiate club competition,” said head coach Brandon Gilliam. “The Cougars have done well in the PDL, but the program has grown apart from the students since the season was played during the summer months. The move back to collegiate club play will allow the program to reconnect with the student body and make it more connected to Brigham Young University as a whole.” The team will conduct tryouts on Friday, Sept. 15, ahead of the first game one week later at Utah State. Kickoff between the Aggies and the Cougars is set for 7 p.m. |
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Aug 30, 2019 16:51:46 GMT -5
The Georgia vs VT game will be televised on the Comcast Internet Station. If you have the voice option on your remote just say soccer and it should come up at 7pm Going to miss the first half but interested in seeing how the girls play for BL
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Post by guest on Sept 1, 2019 15:52:47 GMT -5
Well they certainly took care of bidness against Maryland, 5-0.
Also Auburn lost to a good VT team 3-1.
Felt like the game was played on the surface of the sun. It’s free to get in but seriously, $4 for a bottle of water?
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Sept 13, 2019 16:24:34 GMT -5
UGA plays a game they should win today against GSU. Played a very tough Clemson team and lost by 1 and played well against VT. Lets see if they can win the games they are supposed to win. IMO a loss here should put the nail in coaches coffin.
I think they just hired the coach in waiting, it looks like he has been running the practices as well as being very vocal during the games. From what I am hearing the girls have really connected with him
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Post by soccerfanga on Sept 15, 2019 7:19:21 GMT -5
UGA plays a game they should win today against GSU. Played a very tough Clemson team and lost by 1 and played well against VT. Lets see if they can win the games they are supposed to win. IMO a loss here should put the nail in coaches coffin. I think they just hired the coach in waiting, it looks like he has been running the practices as well as being very vocal during the games. From what I am hearing the girls have really connected with him Announcers stated Clemson game was more of a rivalry bc of proximity and the number of Georgia players on the team. Imagine if UGA could have kept those GA players. Very physical game, I watched as GA player was carted off by ambulance with what appeared to be a broken lower leg. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 15, 2019 7:25:26 GMT -5
UGA plays a game they should win today against GSU. Played a very tough Clemson team and lost by 1 and played well against VT. Lets see if they can win the games they are supposed to win. IMO a loss here should put the nail in coaches coffin. I think they just hired the coach in waiting, it looks like he has been running the practices as well as being very vocal during the games. From what I am hearing the girls have really connected with him Announcers stated Clemson game was more of a rivalry bc of proximity and the number of Georgia players on the team. Imagine if UGA could have kept those GA players. Very physical game, I watched as GA player was carted off by ambulance with what appeared to be a broken lower leg. I hate to hear that about the leg injury. I do not like to hear injuries like that being a measure of the physicality because those can happen during the course of any game and very brutally physical games can occur without injury. Was that broken leg the result of a reckless challenge? |
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Post by soccerfanga on Sept 15, 2019 7:48:07 GMT -5
Announcers stated Clemson game was more of a rivalry bc of proximity and the number of Georgia players on the team. Imagine if UGA could have kept those GA players. Very physical game, I watched as GA player was carted off by ambulance with what appeared to be a broken lower leg. I hate to hear that about the leg injury. I do not like to hear injuries like that being a measure of the physicality because those can happen during the course of any game and very brutally physical games can occur without injury. Was that broken leg the result of a reckless challenge? Missed the ball to clear and got the leg full swing in tight quarters. It was accidental I believe, a yellow was given. |
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Post by coffee on Sept 15, 2019 9:38:42 GMT -5
Are college games available to watch over the Internet?
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Post by Soccer Dad on Sept 17, 2019 10:30:33 GMT -5
Yes. SEC games played in SEC stadiums are available via SECN+ on the ESPN app. Most others are available through ESPN+. I believe UGA also plays two games per year on ESPNU. Double check me on that though.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 17, 2019 11:17:11 GMT -5
Yea -- ESPN+ is loaded with college soccer games
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Post by Strikermom on Sept 17, 2019 14:20:57 GMT -5
Channel 611 is SEC on DirectTv and 612 ACC as well.
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Post by coffee on Sept 17, 2019 14:43:54 GMT -5
Thanks for the Info!
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Sept 20, 2019 8:46:02 GMT -5
UGA plays South Carolina tonight in the season opener for the SEC. We will find out how the season will be, hopefully they will come out with some energy against a very tough team. Don't expect us to win but let's hope we can show some energy and some fight in this game. USC will come out hot after losing to Clemson so they will bring it tonight. I think if we can keep it to a one goal lose that will look promising for the team. If we get blown out please don't let BL get on the bus and pass the reigns on to Robert Lane and let him get the chance to show what he can do for the rest of the year
Good luck Ladies
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