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Post by soccernoleuk on Mar 23, 2020 15:38:42 GMT -5
Will this be a win for local High School teams? If UFA is swapping DA for ECNL, all those kids are now eligible to play high school soccer. I am thinking some high school teams just got a lot better.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Mar 23, 2020 16:34:26 GMT -5
Congrats to UFA, this will make them very strong in ECNL. The biggest loser with this announcement is Atlanta Fire who is already weak in ECNL. AFU is already at a disadvantage with their location and now some of those ufa players who didn’t want to play DA due to school will move back to ufa. Atlanta Fire is now sandwiched by ufa and gsa for ecnl, yikes
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Post by justwatching on Mar 23, 2020 16:46:32 GMT -5
I am Curious why do some people see this as a win for UFA? Why do you feel like UFA being in ECNL is more appealing than GDA? I know some prefer one league over the other so I'm interested in hearing the rationale as it pertains to UFA. I know my daughter is of the opinion she wants to play DA because she sees that as the top league (exposure and competition) overall around the the country. I have also heard coaches tell the really high level players they should play DA as the first choice and then ECNL as a second choice. Not to say my daughter or the coaches are right but even on this forum (knowing most opinions on here are far from soccer experts) GDA is generally talked of being the higher league. So why is UFA going to ECNL a better situation for them? I don't think that one can argue that either is better especially in the past couple of years. Both leagues have great clubs and crappy clubs. Both have great teams and crappy teams. The two leagues have been at war and, while DA had the advantage, it has clearly given it up. When DA started 3 or 4 years ago, many of the top national clubs jumped to it and made their ECNL teams the "second team." And so, DA clearly was perceived then as the top league especially with the federation's backing. This perception has changed given over the past 3 years, we are now up to about 10 of the top 20 clubs in the nation have now gone "all-in" ECNL (Eclipse, PDA, Michigan Hawks, Concorde Fire, Mass Stars, NC Courage, Real Colo, Dallas Texans, etc). I am in tune with the college game and most college coaches feedback, and would not agree with what you heard. I hear colleges coaches saying three things--"We like the ECNL showcases way better as they are more organized; We deem the leagues equal; We wish DA was not created as ECNL was doing great and the creation of DA has just made it harder on us as now we need to go to BOTH leagues showcases." I will defer to UFA but my thoughts on why DA is eroding has been posted many times.... I agree both DA and ECNL have good and bad clubs/teams but I pulled a couple ynt rosters as datapoints to try and compare things as much as possible without actually playing on the field. I looked at the rosters in the last posted games for the U16 and then the U17 USYWNT and this is what the breakdown of players were: Total player pool on roster 40 DA = 35 ECNL = 5 Other = 0 Granted these selections could be biased because USSF is picking them but those are some pretty big discrepancies in representation. Especially when you look at the overall pool of players is much larger in ECNL than it is in DA. So can you really say ECNL and DA are overall equal in talent? Based on this single data comparison I don't think you can. I also understand I am only talking about the top <1% of players and it might not represent the overall player pool quality. Maybe DA has more top talent players and ECNL could have more player talent parity across the league...? Also, I am not fighting for DA or ECNL I just like to look at as many facts as possible and try to remove opinion when we can. I have viewed GDA over ECNL in recent years but also think ECNL is a top level league so just asking questions to understand why some think this move is better for the club and kids (I get more local games and ability to play in HS if they want). |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 23, 2020 17:08:51 GMT -5
USSF: "We created a league for the best players from which we will do the majority of our scouting."
(Later) USSF: "Most of our players come from the league we created for ease in scouting. See! It works!"
GDA is absolutely crumbling from the outsides at the moment. They've got to be down to nearly 60 clubs. I would guess ECNL is around 100, with more teams than that due to several clubs having 2 teams.
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Post by soccerlegacy on Mar 23, 2020 18:20:52 GMT -5
justwatching, are UFA's GDA players (now former GDA players) not as good as they were as of 1 day ago? Simply because now they are UFA's ECNL players? Are the NC Courage players currently on their roster not as good as they were 1 day ago, or Real Colorado? and on and on... The point is... 4 years ago, there was no GDA. The best players in those clubs were ECNL. GDA came about, and those clubs and some others formed the new league and placed their ECNL teams in it. Some other clubs (just as respectable) decided not to go the GDA way and stayed in ECNL (just as a local 'for instance'... Concorde). Now those clubs are going back to ECNL. Nothing has changed except the badge on the arm. It simply divided them into two separate but equal leagues. As for the numbers being skewed... it may be as simple as the answer that atlfutboldad states... probably is. I don't think you can say, based on one specific data point, that it proves anything. I understand trying not be subjective by ruling out personal opinion, but you need to look at the whole picture, to truly be objective.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 23, 2020 21:03:31 GMT -5
There wont be much upheaval this time. UFA may start looking more attractive to a few players already on the far north playing in NL. They may even draw some defectors back from AFU, but it's not going to be like CF losing DA or NTH losing ECNL. AFU may get a few new 2nd team players from the surrounding area.Will be more interesting to see gore things go at lower levels with SCCL-P additions.
With regard to SCCL summer, we know NTH bowed out. How was it looking at UFA? I know AFU and GSA had good draws for tryouts.
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Post by justwatching on Mar 23, 2020 22:26:31 GMT -5
soccerlegacy I'm not saying any of those kids are any different now that their club is playing ECNL. I suspect many players next year will be the same as this year and those that want to try and stay DA will leave if the option is available to them. I am not saying the league makes any difference in making the players better or worse. I'm also not saying NC Courage and Real Colorado are not big losses for DA because they are I'm just trying to look at what's available to see why the move to ECNL for clubs is a good move for the kids and if the level of play is equivalent. If the leagues are equal I would expect the percentages of representation such as the YNT and top 10 college signings this year to be relatively close with more for ECNL because of the population of ECNL versus that of GDA. I'm just comparing kids selected for what should be the highest team they can play for the YNTs. According to those numbers of representation there is a big difference. Like I said maybe it's because USSF picks those players so in turn picks their own. I don't know but if that is the case it also gives extra points to GDA over ECNL in the areas of exposure. I would have looked at college signings but that is a lot more difficult and more time consuming than I had this afternoon since there are so many colleges to look at, the data is not in a single place, and players decide college choiceson more than just soccer. Perhaps with the quarantine happening I will have time to look at that as well to see if the numbers change. I have no ideas if they will and honestly hope they are more even. But also just because when DA started they pulled the same available players from ECNL doesn't mean that they would remain equal either. If you start and take a lot of the best talent (not saying they did) you will be the stronger of the two. Just like if some leave and go back you still might have the majority of the best.
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Post by fridge on Mar 24, 2020 8:09:55 GMT -5
Congrats to UFA, this will make them very strong in ECNL. The biggest loser with this announcement is Atlanta Fire who is already weak in ECNL. AFU is already at a disadvantage with their location and now some of those ufa players who didn’t want to play DA due to school will move back to ufa. Atlanta Fire is now sandwiched by ufa and gsa for ecnl, yikes I think UFA has a bright future due to demographics. However, in the short term, I don't think UFA will be "very strong in ECNL." UFA will be middle of the pack type club if lucky. CF, GSA, NC Courage, Armada and/or Sunrise will be ahead of them in most tables. Be mindful that CF pretty much swept them in DA 2 years ago and NC Courage is near the top of the tables in all DA fixtures (and I suspect beat them this year). Meanwhile, GSA uses its talent and finds a way to get it done. |
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Post by fridge on Mar 24, 2020 8:37:53 GMT -5
As for Soccerlegacy, I think it is fair to consider the USWNT roster slots as a data point--but one data point. It's a great marketing point for DA teams. That said, as noted already, the federation made it clear that it would start focusing on DA recruiting. In this war against ECNL, the federation has every incentive to give slots to DA kids rightly or wrongly.
What you can't overlook is regardless of DA or ECNL, it mostly comes down to your local division. While DA Cali is strong, GA teams are assigned to the SE division where 80% of the games are played. (The other 20% is played against the top teams which are comparable on a national level.) The SE conference just lost one of its best teams in NC Courage and a mid tier club in UFA. That leaves Charlotte and IMG or USA (depending on age group) as the only solid competition for TH. So, I would argue that the SE ECNL division top/bottom is now stronger/more competitive than the SE DA division.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 24, 2020 8:59:03 GMT -5
As for Soccerlegacy, I think it is fair to consider the USWNT roster slots as a data point--but one data point. It's a great marketing point for DA teams. That said, as noted already, the federation made it clear that it would start focusing on DA recruiting. In this war against ECNL, the federation has every incentive to give slots to DA kids rightly or wrongly. What you can't overlook is regardless of DA or ECNL, it mostly comes down to your local division. While DA Cali is strong, GA teams are assigned to the SE division where 80% of the games are played. (The other 20% is played against the top teams which are comparable on a national level.) The SE conference just lost one of its best teams in NC Courage and a mid tier club in UFA. That leaves Charlotte and IMG or USA (depending on age group) as the only solid competition for TH. So, I would argue that the SE ECNL division top/bottom is now stronger/more competitive than the SE DA division. Will be another interesting 12 months that's for -- is CSA the next team to give up DA, being the only team left in North Carolina. Without Girls DA though, does UFA ever get that coveted invite to ECNL? Still surprised SSA isn't trying to get ecnl on their own, maybe they are -- seems they would be good fit. That's part of the reason girls DA was started, the feds wanted control --- would have worked if they collaborated with ECNL, they could have easily created some sort of joint structure that worked for both US Club and the federation, instead the Feds basically cut of contact with ECNL leadership. If the leaders of these groups haven't set down in the last few months together to get this figured out, they are more inept at the federation then we all thought. I'd be harrasing US Club soccer for a sit down and discussion.... |
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Post by mistergrinch on Mar 24, 2020 10:04:34 GMT -5
As for Soccerlegacy, I think it is fair to consider the USWNT roster slots as a data point--but one data point. It's a great marketing point for DA teams. That said, as noted already, the federation made it clear that it would start focusing on DA recruiting. In this war against ECNL, the federation has every incentive to give slots to DA kids rightly or wrongly. What you can't overlook is regardless of DA or ECNL, it mostly comes down to your local division. While DA Cali is strong, GA teams are assigned to the SE division where 80% of the games are played. (The other 20% is played against the top teams which are comparable on a national level.) The SE conference just lost one of its best teams in NC Courage and a mid tier club in UFA. That leaves Charlotte and IMG or USA (depending on age group) as the only solid competition for TH. So, I would argue that the SE ECNL division top/bottom is now stronger/more competitive than the SE DA division. Did you hit your head, house? That's what this thread is about.  |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 24, 2020 10:07:06 GMT -5
Ha -- na, just stating, that if they didn't first have DA, would ecnl have ever invited them to the party?
(for example if girls DA never existed would have encl finally caved and invited UFA to join)
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Post by soccerlegacy on Mar 24, 2020 10:11:36 GMT -5
As for Soccerlegacy, I think it is fair to consider the USWNT roster slots as a data point--but one data point. It's a great marketing point for DA teams. That said, as noted already, the federation made it clear that it would start focusing on DA recruiting. In this war against ECNL, the federation has every incentive to give slots to DA kids rightly or wrongly. Wrongly... very wrongly, IMHO. To exclude/prefer certain players for others, not based on talent, but on league affiliation is "wrongly". I agree with Soccerhouse. They should have sat down with ECNL before the creation of Girls DA and worked on creating a better pipeline, versus the power-play move... cutting them out of the process. |
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Post by soccerlegacy on Mar 24, 2020 10:23:32 GMT -5
Side question:
Does anyone know what the pay scale of a DA coach versus an ECNL coach is, if any? I didn't know if DA coaches were getting paid better because of federation money, or if they are equivalent to an ECNL coach. I would think they would because of the increased demands placed on the job. Just curious what impact that would mean for the UFA GDA coaches.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 24, 2020 10:24:20 GMT -5
As for Soccerlegacy, I think it is fair to consider the USWNT roster slots as a data point--but one data point. It's a great marketing point for DA teams. That said, as noted already, the federation made it clear that it would start focusing on DA recruiting. In this war against ECNL, the federation has every incentive to give slots to DA kids rightly or wrongly. Wrongly... very wrongly, IMHO. To exclude/prefer certain players for others, not based on talent, but on league affiliation is "wrongly". I agree with Soccerhouse. They should have sat down with ECNL before the creation of Girls DA and worked on creating a better pipeline, versus the power-play move... cutting them out of the process. we have threads way back when the feds failed to sit down with ecnl leadership -- it was a debacle, they met years ago, and the feds basically stated, we don't need girls da, we have ecnl -- done. then out of nowhere they dropped girls DA -- another example of piss poor leadership out of the feds. I'm telling you -- if they aren't setting up conference calls right to discuss this, the feds aren't doing there job. Paul Riley has been extremely outspoken about the negatives of girls DA in recent months, the writing was on the wall that NC Courage would pull out -- he clearly isn't happy with leadership. NC Courage has won the 2 previous NWSL championships, and are continuing to build on their extremely strong roster. My guess they would be favored again this season. They get it right now from top to bottom! Three consecutive NWSL shields as well. I expect a ripple effect even more now - NCFC is the biggest club in the country if i'm not mistaken |
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Post by justwatching on Mar 24, 2020 10:30:10 GMT -5
Ok an additional data point...
I looked at end of the 2019 season women's college rankings top 5 schools (Standford, UNC, UCLA, Washington State, BYU) commitments (as listed by Top Drawer Soccer).
Total Commitments = 90
DA = 63
ECNL = 19
Other = 6
Club not listed = 1
International = 1
So Top 5 College Commitments:
DA = 70%; ECNL = 21%
YNT (U16 and U17 single game rosters)
DA = 87.5%
ECNL - 12.5%
So the college signings at top schools are still not where I would expect for equivalent leagues. 70% vs 20% is a big gap and even bigger when you consider ECNL has more teams (~96 vs ~65)
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Post by fridge on Mar 24, 2020 11:58:11 GMT -5
Ugh! You made me have to dig deep. I love the effort and insight.
Although you focused on the top 5 schools for 2019 season, I am not sure that is reflective what the future holds for DA given it lost 3 more top notch clubs.
Further I wanted to dig deeper bc it is a bit limited to focus on only 5 teams--especially when the top 10 switches each year (hell WSU and BYU have never been in the elite 8 as far as I recall let alone the final 4). In this one year analysis, 4 of the teams you cited (which is fair) are heavy in the California market which we know is very strong DA. The fifth is UNC which takes several kids from the local CSA and NC Courage each year. which converted to DA when it began.
So, I did a broader review of 2020 kids for a handful of ACC schools (Duke, Clemson, ND, UVA, FSU) and the top Big Ten (Penn State, Wisc and Michigan) and SEC schools (Vandy and USC). All of these schools would round off the top 10 and at the very worst the Top 20. For 2020 commits it is truly in the 50/50 range. (UVA was crazy DA at 8 out of 9 but it has a strong local DA team in FC Virginia) If I would have taken them out of the mix, it would have been like 70/30 ECNL. The Big 10 schools with PDA and Michigan Hawks were pretty ECNL focused. So, I think it is way closer than one may realize. And, regardless the numbers will continue to get worse for DA as 120 girls from Real Colo, Dallas Texans and NC Courage will be in the ECNL column for the 2021 and 2022 classes.
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Post by mistergrinch on Mar 24, 2020 12:32:41 GMT -5
As for Soccerlegacy, I think it is fair to consider the USWNT roster slots as a data point--but one data point. It's a great marketing point for DA teams. That said, as noted already, the federation made it clear that it would start focusing on DA recruiting. In this war against ECNL, the federation has every incentive to give slots to DA kids rightly or wrongly.
I agree with Soccerhouse. They should have sat down with ECNL before the creation of Girls DA and worked on creating a better pipeline, versus the power-play move... cutting them out of the process. You mean US Soccer, who just submitted legal filings calling their own 4x world champion women less skilled and having an easier job? nah.. they'd never do something that stupid. |
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Post by coffee on Mar 24, 2020 12:39:38 GMT -5
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Post by soccernoleuk on Mar 24, 2020 13:33:50 GMT -5
Congrats to UFA, this will make them very strong in ECNL. The biggest loser with this announcement is Atlanta Fire who is already weak in ECNL. AFU is already at a disadvantage with their location and now some of those ufa players who didn’t want to play DA due to school will move back to ufa. Atlanta Fire is now sandwiched by ufa and gsa for ecnl, yikes I think UFA has a bright future due to demographics. However, in the short term, I don't think UFA will be "very strong in ECNL." UFA will be middle of the pack type club if lucky. CF, GSA, NC Courage, Armada and/or Sunrise will be ahead of them in most tables. Be mindful that CF pretty much swept them in DA 2 years ago and NC Courage is near the top of the tables in all DA fixtures (and I suspect beat them this year). Meanwhile, GSA uses its talent and finds a way to get it done. Unless something changes, NC Courage won't have any bearing on how well UFA does in ECNL because they won't play in the same conference. NC Courage will be part of the Mid-Atlantic Conference while UFA will be in the Southeast Conference. As for how well UFA does, I think it will depend on age group just like most other clubs. They will most likely be better than AFU and FC Alabama, while GSA, and both CF teams will most likely be good competition for them. As for the Florida teams, I have no clue. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 24, 2020 14:06:47 GMT -5
I think that generally they will be at a similar level to what they have now. The overall problem is that they're in Cumming and not central ATL like NTH/CF. SSA and GSA are a little further out so they will be a bit weaker generally. AFU and UFA are further out still. The more central the club, the easier to draw players from more parts of the city.
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Post by justwatching on Mar 24, 2020 14:08:45 GMT -5
Ugh! You made me have to dig deep. I love the effort and insight. Although you focused on the top 5 schools for 2019 season, I am not sure that is reflective what the future holds for DA given it lost 3 more top notch clubs. Further I wanted to dig deeper bc it is a bit limited to focus on only 5 teams--especially when the top 10 switches each year (hell WSU and BYU have never been in the elite 8 as far as I recall let alone the final 4). In this one year analysis, 4 of the teams you cited (which is fair) are heavy in the California market which we know is very strong DA. The fifth is UNC which takes several kids from the local CSA and NC Courage each year. which converted to DA when it began. So, I did a broader review of 2020 kids for a handful of ACC schools (Duke, Clemson, ND, UVA, FSU) and the top Big Ten (Penn State, Wisc and Michigan) and SEC schools (Vandy and USC). All of these schools would round off the top 10 and at the very worst the Top 20. For 2020 commits it is truly in the 50/50 range. (UVA was crazy DA at 8 out of 9 but it has a strong local DA team in FC Virginia) If I would have taken them out of the mix, it would have been like 70/30 ECNL. The Big 10 schools with PDA and Michigan Hawks were pretty ECNL focused. So, I think it is way closer than one may realize. And, regardless the numbers will continue to get worse for DA as 120 girls from Real Colo, Dallas Texans and NC Courage will be in the ECNL column for the 2021 and 2022 classes. Thanks for that info. It makes sense for sure that as you move further from the top of the rankings you would get a wider spread for players from different leagues and closer to even. That is what I would have anticipated. I went ahead and looked a little further too since I had a few minutes and the data is actually easier to find and compile than I thought. I looked at the top 15 women's college teams for the end of the 2019 season and here is what the data is: Total Commitments = 233 DA = 128 - 54.94% ECNL = 75 - 32.19% Other = 24 - 10.30% International = 3 - 1.29% Didn't list club = 3 - 1.29% Top 5 Schools (Stanford, UNC, UCLA, Wash. State U, BYU) Total Commitments = 90 DA = 63 - 70% ECNL = 19 - 21.11% Other = 6 - 6.67% International = 1 - 1.11% Didn't list club = 1 - 1.11% 6-10 Schools (South Carolina, FSU, USC, UVA, Wisconsin) Total Commitments = 72 DA = 35 - 48.61% ECNL = 30 - 41.67% Other = 6 - 8.33% International = 1 - 1.39% Didn't list club = 0 10-15 Schools (Kansas, Arkansas, Penn State, Santa Clara, Michigan) Total Commitments = 71 DA = 30 - 42.25% ECNL = 26 - 36.62% Other = 12 - 16.90% International = 1 - 1.41% Didn't list club = 2 - 2.82% So top 5 schools are no where close (helps give more credibility to the YNT makeup data). As you get to the next 5 and then again the next 5 after that the distribution starts to get closer to even (I still think ECNL numbers should be a decent amount higher than DA to show parity with the size difference in player pools). I would expect that same trend to continue the further down the rankings you go. To me that still indicates that DA has a better edge on top talent and after you move pass those top percentages of kids the middle is a closer comparison. Again, I wasn't using this to argue which is a better league just wanted a more objective way to evaluate which league is a better situation for clubs leaving like UFA. Obviously, there is more to it than kids going to top colleges to play and YNT selections but that to me is a good indication of where the talent is. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Mar 24, 2020 14:32:07 GMT -5
Keep in mind.. Girls DA is only - 3 years in? And all those clubs that WERE ECNL and switched - had girls who were already in HS when the switch happened.
I'd be curious as to how many of those top 5 DA commits were on teams that were originally ECNL. I bet that number is high.
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Post by fridge on Mar 24, 2020 14:40:49 GMT -5
Of the high level recruits, probably 75% of the 2019s and 50% of the 2020s were ECNL kids when recruited and committed (or on the cusp of commitment). That said, the point I think the DA proponents are making is the shift in talent went over to DA so apples to apples DA had that talent the last 2 years making DA a "better" league.
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Post by honeybadger on Mar 24, 2020 14:47:05 GMT -5
1. I assume the DA team will basically become the ECNL team.
2. Would the ECNL deal have any bearing on the UFA NPL team; any word on if UFA drops NPL?
3. And if UFA drops NPL, does that affect the SCCL1 team at Norcross? 05 Norcross Girls were a respectable 6-5-3 and finished 4th this year. SCCL1 05 lost to the NPL team 2-1 in a tournament this year.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 24, 2020 23:03:38 GMT -5
Take Southern California DA clubs out of the mix and are the numbers still skewed more than 50/50? If they are that way...it's about to change with over 5% of GDA clubs moving to ECNL. It feels like a snowball starting down the hill. honeybadger I doubt NPL stays viable or that they go through with the DPL nonsense at this point. So yes, they will likely be looking for a home for the Forsyth Premier team. But I doubt they unseat the Norcross Premier team from SCCL (unless they want a mass exodus from Norcross). Perhaps UFA will be the club that pushes for the creation of a Southeast ECRL division. They may stick around in diminishing NPL until they can find a better option. |
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Mar 25, 2020 7:31:31 GMT -5
1. I assume the DA team will basically become the ECNL team. 2. Would the ECNL deal have any bearing on the UFA NPL team; any word on if UFA drops NPL? 3. And if UFA drops NPL, does that affect the SCCL1 team at Norcross? 05 Norcross Girls were a respectable 6-5-3 and finished 4th this year. SCCL1 05 lost to the NPL team 2-1 in a tournament this year. Remember honey badger, the big clubs make decisions based off entire club not a team. So the UFA pyramid will change to ECNL at Forsyth, the second team that was NPL will be SCCL by their own pyramid and norcross will continue to be the third place on pyramid which is now SCCL premier. So specifically for the 05 norcross girls, the options are to decide to stay at norcross and drop to SCCL premier, could go back to Atlanta Fire which now has SCCL, go to GSA SCCL or LSA piedmont National League |
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Post by kidsocceruber on Mar 25, 2020 7:46:46 GMT -5
1. I assume the DA team will basically become the ECNL team. 2. Would the ECNL deal have any bearing on the UFA NPL team; any word on if UFA drops NPL? 3. And if UFA drops NPL, does that affect the SCCL1 team at Norcross? 05 Norcross Girls were a respectable 6-5-3 and finished 4th this year. SCCL1 05 lost to the NPL team 2-1 in a tournament this year. Remember honey badger, the big clubs make decisions based off entire club not a team. So the UFA pyramid will change to ECNL at Forsyth, the second team that was NPL will be SCCL by their own pyramid and norcross will continue to be the third place on pyramid which is now SCCL premier. So specifically for the 05 norcross girls, the options are to decide to stay at norcross and drop to SCCL premier, could go back to Atlanta Fire which now has SCCL, go to GSA SCCL or LSA piedmont National League This will present more problems if it's actually how things shake out at Forsyth, since I'm guessing the NPL girls won't want to drop down to SCCL and the SCCL-Pgirls won't want to drop down to whatever lower level is created... |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Mar 25, 2020 8:46:52 GMT -5
Everything I am reading indicates, that while UFA is really 1 club, they seem to run each location as separate clubs. Other than not wanting to do this, why don't they run it all together and pool their players?
- They could take their top 16-18 players from each age group and make a single ECNL team.
- Next take the second group and make an SCCL team.
- They could continue this on down until you fill all teams. Or once they fill their top teams then they can go location based. At something like SCCL-P2 they can even have 2 teams if they want (Norcross & Forsyth).
As for practices they could either split practices between locations, or even determine it based on the makeup of the team. If most of the team is Forsyth based, then practices are held at Fowler (the opposite takes place for a Norcross based team).
To me the way it is currently setup just seems like 2 separate clubs sharing the same name, but maybe I'm just not informed enough or not understanding it correctly.
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Post by honeybadger on Mar 25, 2020 9:10:23 GMT -5
1. I assume the DA team will basically become the ECNL team. 2. Would the ECNL deal have any bearing on the UFA NPL team; any word on if UFA drops NPL? 3. And if UFA drops NPL, does that affect the SCCL1 team at Norcross? 05 Norcross Girls were a respectable 6-5-3 and finished 4th this year. SCCL1 05 lost to the NPL team 2-1 in a tournament this year. Remember honey badger, the big clubs make decisions based off entire club not a team. So the UFA pyramid will change to ECNL at Forsyth, the second team that was NPL will be SCCL by their own pyramid and norcross will continue to be the third place on pyramid which is now SCCL premier. So specifically for the 05 norcross girls, the options are to decide to stay at norcross and drop to SCCL premier, could go back to Atlanta Fire which now has SCCL, go to GSA SCCL or LSA piedmont National League The 03 and 05 girls I know will not accept that. Norcross is akready SCCL1-not SCCL P |
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