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Post by mistergrinch on Mar 25, 2020 9:10:24 GMT -5
Everything I am reading indicates, that while UFA is really 1 club, they seem to run each location as separate clubs. Other than not wanting to do this, why don't they run it all together and pool their players?- They could take their top 16-18 players from each age group and make a single ECNL team. - Next take the second group and make an SCCL team. - They could continue this on down until you fill all teams. Or once they fill their top teams then they can go location based. At something like SCCL-P2 they can even have 2 teams if they want (Norcross & Forsyth). As for practices they could either split practices between locations, or even determine it based on the makeup of the team. If most of the team is Forsyth based, then practices are held at Fowler (the opposite takes place for a Norcross based team). To me the way it is currently setup just seems like 2 separate clubs sharing the same name, but maybe I'm just not informed enough or not understanding it correctly. because the two main branches aren't that close and aren't easy to get to. If you live in between norcross and forsyth (say, johns creek?) you can swing it. But if you live over in forsyth, getting to norcross is a nightmare and vice versa. Just checked and google maps shows it as over 1hr between Fowler and Pinckneyville as average drive time at 5.30pm. Screw that. |
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Post by honeybadger on Mar 25, 2020 9:11:21 GMT -5
1. I assume the DA team will basically become the ECNL team. 2. Would the ECNL deal have any bearing on the UFA NPL team; any word on if UFA drops NPL? 3. And if UFA drops NPL, does that affect the SCCL1 team at Norcross? 05 Norcross Girls were a respectable 6-5-3 and finished 4th this year. SCCL1 05 lost to the NPL team 2-1 in a tournament this year. Remember honey badger, the big clubs make decisions based off entire club not a team. So the UFA pyramid will change to ECNL at Forsyth, the second team that was NPL will be SCCL by their own pyramid and norcross will continue to be the third place on pyramid which is now SCCL premier. So specifically for the 05 norcross girls, the options are to decide to stay at norcross and drop to SCCL premier, could go back to Atlanta Fire which now has SCCL, go to GSA SCCL or LSA piedmont National League |
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Post by honeybadger on Mar 25, 2020 9:11:59 GMT -5
The 03 and 05 girls I know will not accept that. Norcross is already SCCL1-not SCCL P
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Post by soccerlegacy on Mar 25, 2020 9:23:36 GMT -5
Everything I am reading indicates, that while UFA is really 1 club, they seem to run each location as separate clubs. Other than not wanting to do this, why don't they run it all together and pool their players?- They could take their top 16-18 players from each age group and make a single ECNL team. - Next take the second group and make an SCCL team. - They could continue this on down until you fill all teams. Or once they fill their top teams then they can go location based. At something like SCCL-P2 they can even have 2 teams if they want (Norcross & Forsyth). As for practices they could either split practices between locations, or even determine it based on the makeup of the team. If most of the team is Forsyth based, then practices are held at Fowler (the opposite takes place for a Norcross based team). To me the way it is currently setup just seems like 2 separate clubs sharing the same name, but maybe I'm just not informed enough or not understanding it correctly. because the two main branches aren't that close and aren't easy to get to. If you live in between norcross and forsyth (say, johns creek?) you can swing it. But if you live over in forsyth, getting to norcross is a nightmare and vice versa. Just checked and google maps shows it as over 1hr between Fowler and Pinckneyville as average drive time at 5.30pm. Screw that. I get your point, however, other clubs and players do this very thing. Concorde's top teams are out of Central, Tophat is out of Buckhead, and I've heard time and time again that SSA focuses all of their top teams out of their 'Central" location. Getting to Ashford-Dunwoody (CF) or Buckhead (NTH) isn't exactly a picnic either. Everyone would like to have a top team at a location near them, but with Metro Atlanta as sprawled as it is, and with the traffic that comes along with it, it will just depend on how much of a sacrifice each individual is willing to make. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 25, 2020 9:40:23 GMT -5
Nothing prevented Norcross players from going to Forsyth in the past (aside from not wanting to drive). Pooling players sounds great...until you have to drive. UFA has a challenge ahead of it with the premier teams.
We're about at announcement time (April for most clubs, May is coaching announcements), so we plebs will have to wait and see what happens over the next month. I think the UFA ECNL announcement came out of left field considering they were considering the 2nd team in DPL just last month...
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Post by honeybadger on Mar 25, 2020 9:41:35 GMT -5
because the two main branches aren't that close and aren't easy to get to. If you live in between norcross and forsyth (say, johns creek?) you can swing it. But if you live over in forsyth, getting to norcross is a nightmare and vice versa. Just checked and google maps shows it as over 1hr between Fowler and Pinckneyville as average drive time at 5.30pm. Screw that. I get your point, however, other clubs and players do this very thing. Concorde's top teams are out of Central, Tophat is out of Buckhead, and I've heard time and time again that SSA focuses all of their top teams out of their 'Central" location. Getting to Ashford-Dunwoody (CF) or Buckhead (NTH) isn't exactly a picnic either. Everyone would like to have a top team at a location near them, but with Metro Atlanta as sprawled as it is, and with the traffic that comes along with it, it will just depend on how much of a sacrifice each individual is willing to make. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Mar 25, 2020 9:58:10 GMT -5
because the two main branches aren't that close and aren't easy to get to. If you live in between norcross and forsyth (say, johns creek?) you can swing it. But if you live over in forsyth, getting to norcross is a nightmare and vice versa. Just checked and google maps shows it as over 1hr between Fowler and Pinckneyville as average drive time at 5.30pm. Screw that. I get your point, however, other clubs and players do this very thing. Concorde's top teams are out of Central, Tophat is out of Buckhead, and I've heard time and time again that SSA focuses all of their top teams out of their 'Central" location. Getting to Ashford-Dunwoody (CF) or Buckhead (NTH) isn't exactly a picnic either. Everyone would like to have a top team at a location near them, but with Metro Atlanta as sprawled as it is, and with the traffic that comes along with it, it will just depend on how much of a sacrifice each individual is willing to make. You kind of proved my point. UFA runs their top teams out of Forsyth. The suggestion was to pool players and shift training between the locations..
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Post by kidsocceruber on Mar 25, 2020 10:03:46 GMT -5
Everything I am reading indicates, that while UFA is really 1 club, they seem to run each location as separate clubs. Other than not wanting to do this, why don't they run it all together and pool their players? - They could take their top 16-18 players from each age group and make a single ECNL team. - Next take the second group and make an SCCL team. - They could continue this on down until you fill all teams. Or once they fill their top teams then they can go location based. At something like SCCL-P2 they can even have 2 teams if they want (Norcross & Forsyth). As for practices they could either split practices between locations, or even determine it based on the makeup of the team. If most of the team is Forsyth based, then practices are held at Fowler (the opposite takes place for a Norcross based team). To me the way it is currently setup just seems like 2 separate clubs sharing the same name, but maybe I'm just not informed enough or not understanding it correctly. Fowler already has the DA team, so assuming all those girls stay then the ECNL team tryouts probably don't change a whole lot with the girls from Norcross trying out regardless if they wanted to step up. The real problem here is if NPL isn't replaced by something and those girls have to choose to play elsewhere or at a different level within UFA. As well the girls on the SCCL/P teams that wanted to try and move up within UFA now having fewer options to do so if that NPL team just dissolves rather than moving laterally. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 25, 2020 10:11:47 GMT -5
If I had to guess, with the big ECNL move they will likely keep Forsyth Premier teams in NPL with SSA, AFC, Chattanooga (and the remaining NC teams) and make it work for another year while the landscape evolves. After all, the boys NPL is pretty strong.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Mar 25, 2020 10:51:39 GMT -5
Everything I am reading indicates, that while UFA is really 1 club, they seem to run each location as separate clubs. Other than not wanting to do this, why don't they run it all together and pool their players? - They could take their top 16-18 players from each age group and make a single ECNL team. - Next take the second group and make an SCCL team. - They could continue this on down until you fill all teams. Or once they fill their top teams then they can go location based. At something like SCCL-P2 they can even have 2 teams if they want (Norcross & Forsyth). As for practices they could either split practices between locations, or even determine it based on the makeup of the team. If most of the team is Forsyth based, then practices are held at Fowler (the opposite takes place for a Norcross based team). To me the way it is currently setup just seems like 2 separate clubs sharing the same name, but maybe I'm just not informed enough or not understanding it correctly. Fowler already has the DA team, so assuming all those girls stay then the ECNL team tryouts probably don't change a whole lot with the girls from Norcross trying out regardless if they wanted to step up. The real problem here is if NPL isn't replaced by something and those girls have to choose to play elsewhere or at a different level within UFA. As well the girls on the SCCL/P teams that wanted to try and move up within UFA now having fewer options to do so if that NPL team just dissolves rather than moving laterally. Wrong, On the girls side, the girls will no longer have DA, just ecnl |
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Mar 25, 2020 10:52:49 GMT -5
If I had to guess, with the big ECNL move they will likely keep Forsyth Premier teams in NPL with SSA, AFC, Chattanooga (and the remaining NC teams) and make it work for another year while the landscape evolves. After all, the boys NPL is pretty strong. You may be correct for 1 more year but npl is toast in the grand scheme |
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Post by honeybadger on Mar 25, 2020 11:03:47 GMT -5
If I had to guess, with the big ECNL move they will likely keep Forsyth Premier teams in NPL with SSA, AFC, Chattanooga (and the remaining NC teams) and make it work for another year while the landscape evolves. After all, the boys NPL is pretty strong. You may be correct for 1 more year but npl is toast in the grand scheme At that point UFA may have a cluster. Norcross parents may leave en mass if they have to drop to SCCL2. |
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Post by lsagoalie on Mar 25, 2020 12:02:01 GMT -5
You may be correct for 1 more year but npl is toast in the grand scheme At that point UFA may have a cluster. Norcross parents may leave en mass if they have to drop to SCCL2. If you live north Gwinnett or south Hall, LSA will take 4-5 of you all for the 05 team. |
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Mar 25, 2020 12:03:40 GMT -5
Ha, Let’s get some good ol recruitin going on during these boring times, lol
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 25, 2020 12:31:15 GMT -5
If I had to guess, with the big ECNL move they will likely keep Forsyth Premier teams in NPL with SSA, AFC, Chattanooga (and the remaining NC teams) and make it work for another year while the landscape evolves. After all, the boys NPL is pretty strong. While it makes zero sense to me I have heard that DPL is still on the table as an option for girls premier teams. Maybe FG can weigh in as she has sources. |
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Post by Keeper on Mar 25, 2020 12:39:10 GMT -5
You may be correct for 1 more year but npl is toast in the grand scheme At that point UFA may have a cluster. Norcross parents may leave en mass if they have to drop to SCCL2. I’m sure between Ambush, Santos, & Rush/Chiefs getting SCCL those players would be welcome to come join one of those teams. |
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Post by kidsocceruber on Mar 25, 2020 12:41:59 GMT -5
Fowler already has the DA team, so assuming all those girls stay then the ECNL team tryouts probably don't change a whole lot with the girls from Norcross trying out regardless if they wanted to step up. The real problem here is if NPL isn't replaced by something and those girls have to choose to play elsewhere or at a different level within UFA. As well the girls on the SCCL/P teams that wanted to try and move up within UFA now having fewer options to do so if that NPL team just dissolves rather than moving laterally. Wrong, On the girls side, the girls will no longer have DA, just ecnl That's my point, they're all going to move to ECNL thus there won't be any openings to "combine" teams, too many girls not enough spots. |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Mar 25, 2020 14:27:58 GMT -5
I get your point, however, other clubs and players do this very thing. Concorde's top teams are out of Central, Tophat is out of Buckhead, and I've heard time and time again that SSA focuses all of their top teams out of their 'Central" location. Getting to Ashford-Dunwoody (CF) or Buckhead (NTH) isn't exactly a picnic either. Everyone would like to have a top team at a location near them, but with Metro Atlanta as sprawled as it is, and with the traffic that comes along with it, it will just depend on how much of a sacrifice each individual is willing to make. You kind of proved my point. UFA runs their top teams out of Forsyth. The suggestion was to pool players and shift training between the locations..
Yes the suggestion is to pool players. The shift of training is an option based on the makeup of the team. The club can base it out of Fowler for all I care. What I don't like is seeing UFA keep their teams separate and designating a location to play in a league. If the SCCL-P team is better than the SCCL team then they should swap spots. If the SCCL team is better than the NPL team then they should swap spots. The perception I have is that it doesn't matter how good a team is, they are given a league to play in whether they deserve to be there or not. I also think UFA could build even stronger teams if they pooled players across all their top teams. There are plenty of other clubs in the area that do this, as pointed out by others, and the parents deal with the drive. Just about everyone deals with a drive to Buckhead for TopHat, and same with Dunwoody for CF. Dacula & Lilburn aren't that close togeher, especially between 5-7pm weekdays, so GSA parents drive as well. Just my .02 cents. |
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Post by justwatching on Mar 25, 2020 14:38:15 GMT -5
Why would DPL not make sense for UFA second team? If NPL is presumed to be going down the drain in this area UFA's second team still needs somewhere to play. Unless they want to burn a couple seasons to try and make something like the National Leauge there aren't a lot of options for them. If you put them in SCCL that will push all other teams down and in return likely end up losing a lot of players who are not interested in moving down a league level. You might also lose some of those NPL kids that see SCCL as a step down also.
Going to ECNL for UFA's top girl's team and having SCCL for their "3rd" team on down doesn't solve the "2nd" team dilemma. If NPL is no longer viable as a league in the long term they are in the same type of scenario as TopHat was with their 2nd team when ECNL was gone from them.
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Post by soccerlegacy on Mar 25, 2020 14:58:59 GMT -5
Why would DPL not make sense for UFA second team? If NPL is presumed to be going down the drain in this area UFA's second team still needs somewhere to play. Unless they want to burn a couple seasons to try and make something like the National Leauge there aren't a lot of options for them. If you put them in SCCL that will push all other teams down and in return likely end up losing a lot of players who are not interested in moving down a league level. You might also lose some of those NPL kids that see SCCL as a step down also. Going to ECNL for UFA's top girl's team and having SCCL for their "3rd" team on down doesn't solve the "2nd" team dilemma. If NPL is no longer viable as a league in the long term they are in the same type of scenario as TopHat was with their 2nd team when ECNL was gone from them. Actually, in the cross-league games I have seen, NPL and SCCL are on equal footing (here in Georgia at least). I don't see where, IF the NPL team were to be placed in the SCCL, they would be rolling through their schedule with ease. It's all about how it is 'sold' by the clubs. It can be as simple as dropping NPL and stating that SCCL is now the 2nd team. To make this 2nd team, it will be just like making the ECNL team, you may have to sacrifice and drive a little more to be on the 2nd team. Edit: I forgot to address your other question about DPL... First, many have described it as being set up as a supplemental league to DA. If there is no longer DA, so what is the point? Second, DPL is new and not many teams in it, to support it. I have heard there would actually be more travel (not lesss) than what DA was doing and therefore the cost would be even greater... which shouldn't be the case for a 2nd tier, supplemental team. |
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Post by honeybadger on Mar 25, 2020 15:10:06 GMT -5
I agree with you=No way UFA NPL would just roll through SCCL1. In the 05 girls side, IMHO , GSA, TH and CF would beat them. Of course I could be wrong, just saying that we played them and in my opinion they would finish 3-4 in our league. But that isn't a knock-UFA NPL is a very good team, I'm simply saying we don't look at NPL as being superior to us.
UFA Norcross played UFA NPL and lost 2-1 when we still had 3 starters out with injuries (I'm sure they may have had injuries too so maybe it's all relative). Anyway, I see NPL/SCCL1 as similar. Depending on the teams.
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Post by justwatching on Mar 25, 2020 20:29:36 GMT -5
My comments have nothing to do with the NPL team rolling through SCCL. I personally don't hold SCCL as a high level league and don't disagree that NPL is not far from it either. I think my comments were misinterpreted. What I am saying is UFA could have a bad issue if that NPL team moves into the SCCL spot because that pushes everyone else at UFA down. I don't expect the current SCCL and SCCL-P team would be ok with moving down to SCCL-P and SCCL-3 (assuming that will be created). If that happens I would expect players to leave. honeybadger already said they didn't think players on their team or parents would be up for accepting downward movement within SCCL leagues. So the solution to not have that backlash is to add another league, hence DPL. I understand DPL is marketed as a way to get a chance at DA for players that don't make it but DPL and DA have zero affiliation from my understanding. It also has teams in the league that don't even have DA. DPL can market it however they want to but realistically it's just another league that is trying to set itself up as a level below DA. But whether it is DPL, ECRL, Piedmont, NL, Athena the easiest change for UFA's second team is to put them in a completely different league. If they are ok with losing some kids put them in SCCL. |
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Post by kidsocceruber on Mar 25, 2020 21:00:16 GMT -5
My comments have nothing to do with the NPL team rolling through SCCL. I personally don't hold SCCL as a high level league and don't disagree that NPL is not far from it either. I think my comments were misinterpreted. What I am saying is UFA could have a bad issue if that NPL team moves into the SCCL spot because that pushes everyone else at UFA down. I don't expect the current SCCL and SCCL-P team would be ok with moving down to SCCL-P and SCCL-3 (assuming that will be created). If that happens I would expect players to leave. honeybadger already said they didn't think players on their team or parents would be up for accepting downward movement within SCCL leagues. So the solution to not have that backlash is to add another league, hence DPL. I understand DPL is marketed as a way to get a chance at DA for players that don't make it but DPL and DA have zero affiliation from my understanding. It also has teams in the league that don't even have DA. DPL can market it however they want to but realistically it's just another league that is trying to set itself up as a level below DA. But whether it is DPL, ECRL, Piedmont, NL, Athena the easiest change for UFA's second team is to put them in a completely different league. If they are ok with losing some kids put them in SCCL. This is what I'm saying. If you evaporate that NPL team and push the girls down it'll have a serious effect. I know we're talking about the 05 girls specifically, but other years have to be in the same predicament to some degree. At Forsyth the 05 Athena B team was very good also(They won every game in the fall), the SCCL-P team beat an NPL team in a tournament and was competitive with another ECNL team losing 1-0 and they had a couple of key injuries with offensive difficulties. All of those girls eyeing to move up all of a sudden have 16 other girls to compete with at the level they either were at or if SCCL is forced over to Forsyth(Thus losing those SCCL girls at Norcross or them moving to Forsyth to fight for a spot against the incumbent NPL girls and the SCCL-P girls looking to move up. It can be a big mess unless there's a place above what was the 3rd team for those 2nd team NPL girls. Moving clubs isn't fun for anyone, no matter the reason. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 25, 2020 21:04:53 GMT -5
They're not going to just ignore the Premier team at Forsyth. They will stay in NPL with 6 teams until they can set how things evolve next year.
This is one of the problems with mergers. Norcross had a good club with solid teams. Dacula was a good club with R3PL teams. Now they are branches given little love from the merged club.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 25, 2020 21:05:30 GMT -5
My comments have nothing to do with the NPL team rolling through SCCL. I personally don't hold SCCL as a high level league and don't disagree that NPL is not far from it either. I think my comments were misinterpreted. What I am saying is UFA could have a bad issue if that NPL team moves into the SCCL spot because that pushes everyone else at UFA down. I don't expect the current SCCL and SCCL-P team would be ok with moving down to SCCL-P and SCCL-3 (assuming that will be created). If that happens I would expect players to leave. honeybadger already said they didn't think players on their team or parents would be up for accepting downward movement within SCCL leagues. So the solution to not have that backlash is to add another league, hence DPL. I understand DPL is marketed as a way to get a chance at DA for players that don't make it but DPL and DA have zero affiliation from my understanding. It also has teams in the league that don't even have DA. DPL can market it however they want to but realistically it's just another league that is trying to set itself up as a level below DA. But whether it is DPL, ECRL, Piedmont, NL, Athena the easiest change for UFA's second team is to put them in a completely different league. If they are ok with losing some kids put them in SCCL. I think your point is valid. I only said it makes no sense for two reasons. One is the DPL's stated purpose as the second team behind a DA team (though I agree that in the southeast that is not the case). The second reason is the travel would likely be greater than the ECNL team. I only say likely because no one knows how they will handle the travel. They could set it up with one Florida trip being a showcase style (3 games over a 3 day weekend). They could easily market it as an appropriate alternative as for a 2nd team. It may be fine. I think to put the Fowler 2nd team (or pool the Norcross and Fowler premier teams) in SCCL and drop everyone else down WILL bring about a major exodus. |
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Post by soccerguru on Mar 25, 2020 23:33:40 GMT -5
Decisions, Decisions, Decisions..... At some point, you have to assess your situation and determine what's best for your child and your family. Many people have said, "choose the best team that's closest to your house" and make it work. Some say, play what's closest to your house and just let them play. Others say, play the highest level your kid can play wherever it is and sacrifice everything to do it. Some parents have moved to other states for the highest level of soccer chasing one kids dream, when they have multiple kids.
Most of you, like me, have spent countless hours driving through Atlanta traffic for practices, training, games, pickup games etc. Enjoy the ride with your child, it will not last forever so please enjoy it.
I have seen so many kids give up their youth, chasing their dream to go play one year in college and say, I don't want to do this anymore. I have seen kids make their life about soccer and continue through college and become new club coaches and trainers, because soccer is their life.
So many paths, so many decisions but keep it real, be honest with yourself and definitely your kid. It's not the end of the world if they choose a different path than soccer and a Engineering Degree definitely pays more money.
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Post by honeybadger on Mar 26, 2020 7:33:28 GMT -5
THE UFA NPL team will become the ECRL team I believe. Therefore, nothing will change except the patches.
TOP=ECNL
FOWLER=ECRL
NORCROSS=SCCL1
FOWLER=SCCL2
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 26, 2020 8:08:12 GMT -5
THE UFA NPL team will become the ECRL team I believe. Therefore, nothing will change except the patches. TOP=ECNL FOWLER=ECRL NORCROSS=SCCL1 FOWLER=SCCL2 You are assuming that they will have an ECRL in the southeast. Where did you hear that? There is no announcement about that. |
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Post by soccerlegacy on Mar 26, 2020 8:55:01 GMT -5
I haven't heard of an ECRL either, but I have heard that it is unlikely due to the big 6 liking to have control over their own version of it with the SCCL.
As for UFA, I think they screwed themselves when they put out that pyramid showing SCCL below NPL. Everything is about perception, but perception is not always reality. Reality is that, like others have said, Norcross already had some quality teams... they were just given SCCL, as Forsyth just kept NPL. It doesn't mean the SCCL is truly UFA's 3rd team, it's more like a co-2nd team. The SCCL is a high level league (top of bracket SCCL teams, compete well with ECNL teams), it just needs to be promoted as one by UFA. Much like the Norcross branch itself, it seems to get dismissed by UFA and therefore the parents of UFA.
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Post by westcoastsoccer on Mar 26, 2020 13:00:34 GMT -5
THE UFA NPL team will become the ECRL team I believe. Therefore, nothing will change except the patches. TOP=ECNL FOWLER=ECRL NORCROSS=SCCL1 FOWLER=SCCL2 Out of curiosity why would any team have to leave NPL? So you have a DA team moving to ECNL. Ok... and currently there is also NPL teams under DA...which next year will be ECNL. Moving to ECNL doesn't force the lower teams to leave NPL right? So wouldn't the only change be the DA teams now becoming ECNL. The rest stay as before? |
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