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Post by westcoast on Apr 30, 2020 11:58:23 GMT -5
I think GAL will have a few "strong" clubs such as TH but not many. (I may have overlooked it, but I don't see an announcement from FC Dallas or any Texas teams yet). Objectively, GAL is appears to be a big down grade compared to ECNL. DA/GAL lost 11 clubs to ECNL in this move (15 if you count the 4 clubs who announced bf DA closed). These 15 clubs were Top 20 clubs in DA and top 30 clubs in the US. Name a state and the most notable clubs are ECNL. I guess you can pick on some GA teams, but of the top 5 GA clubs, 4 are ECNL. Again, TH lost their local competition when NC Courage and CSA went ECNL. Serious question, I just reviewed the GAL website, besides TH, who are the next 9 powerhouses that have COMMITTED to GAL? I see they have around 38 clubs, but honestly don't recognize many of the names. I would put these 10 clubs against any 10 clubs in ECNL - TH - FC Virginia - NEFC - CDA (Cincinnati) - FC Dallas - Lonestar - Beach - Legends - SC Del Sol - Nationals - Weston ** It will be interesting to see which teams in Northern California / upper NorthWest will join. I am sure we will see in the coming weeks, if not days. vs. - CF - Michigan Hawks - PDA - Real Colorado - Eclipse - So Cal Blues - SD Surf - CrossFire Premier - Slammers FC - MVLA ** Solar FC is on another level at a couple of age groups So - at the top, in my opinion, there is not a big difference between the two. ECNL has more teams in the middle of the table than GAL (many more teams); and they are pretty equal at the bottom of the table. Bad clubs in both leagues. My belief over the next two years we will have a better sense of the gap or non gap between the two leagues. Nice discussion though... What you are missing here is that Beach and Legends have already announced to their teams that the top teams in their clubs will be playing in ECRL next season. Their 2nd teams will be playing in GAL. |
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Post by fridge on Apr 30, 2020 12:34:04 GMT -5
Good point. The Beach/Legends makes sense that GAL gets their second teams as they push for ECNL. And, if what you are saying in the other thread is accurate, that ECNL picked up FC Dallas (I was hearing rumors this would happen), Dez Force and San Jose Earthquakes, that's 3 more top clubs and two solid clubs leaving GAL.
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Post by footyfan on Apr 30, 2020 12:41:41 GMT -5
I think what is clear to most is that GAL is a holding pen for those seeking ECNL but unable to join this year due to either ECNL growing pains or an unwillingness to join this year as ECRL.
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Post by westcoast on Apr 30, 2020 12:42:28 GMT -5
Good point. The Beach/Legends makes sense that GAL gets their second teams as they push for ECNL. And, if what you are saying in the other thread is accurate, that ECNL picked up FC Dallas (I was hearing rumors this would happen), Dez Force and San Jose Earthquakes, that's 3 more top clubs and two solid clubs leaving GAL. There is no DeAnza Force girls program. It doesn't exist. DeAnza moved their girls programs to the California Thorns years ago when GDA was started. To make a long story short. DeAnza was trying to play ECNL, by trying to make a deal to move their top girls to GDA in a partnership with Thorns. ECNL told them they would kick them out if that happened. DeAnza put out an official statement saying they had no affiliation with Thorns. ECNL didn't buy it, so the kicked DeAnza to the curb. After they were kicked to the curb, DeAnza moved their girls over to the Thorns officially. That leadership team burned a lot of bridges with ECNL, so would have a lot of work to do to rebuild relatationships in order to get admitted. Rumor is that the Quakes may be getting rid of their girls program, because of cost. Their girls program leadership was also part of the DeAnza/ECNL mess, since the Quakes girls DOC was the in charge of the DeAnza ECNL program at the time, so they might have a hard time getting in as well even if they don't disband their program. |
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Post by footyfan on Apr 30, 2020 14:43:00 GMT -5
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Post by soccermonster on Apr 30, 2020 14:56:45 GMT -5
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Post by footyfan on Apr 30, 2020 16:17:45 GMT -5
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Post by westcoast on Apr 30, 2020 17:45:06 GMT -5
Just got word that the last two teams to be admitted into the ECNL Northwest Conference will be the California Thorns and La Roca from Utah. One very good club(San Jose Quakes) and another decent club(Seattle Reign) both left out.
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Post by dadofthree on Apr 30, 2020 17:56:21 GMT -5
Just got word that the last two teams to be admitted into the ECNL Northwest Conference will be the California Thorns and La Roca from Utah. One very good club(San Jose Quakes) and another decent club(Seattle Reign) both left out. Have you heard if GAL is doing a NW Conference? Rumor is they are but these two wont matter much for GAL if they arent. |
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Post by footyfan on Apr 30, 2020 18:07:22 GMT -5
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Post by westcoast on Apr 30, 2020 18:07:24 GMT -5
Just got word that the last two teams to be admitted into the ECNL Northwest Conference will be the California Thorns and La Roca from Utah. One very good club(San Jose Quakes) and another decent club(Seattle Reign) both left out. Have you heard if GAL is doing a NW Conference? Rumor is they are but these two wont matter much for GAL if they arent. From what I know and hear, GAL won't make a whole lot of sense for the region. This year, there were only 4 GDA clubs in NorCal, 1 in Oregon, 1 in Washington state and 1 in Utah. Even if they all joined GAL, that's a ton of travel, especially now with families not wanting to travel because of Covid and budget restraints due to the faltering economy. Most of the best clubs in NorCal, Oregon and Washington were already in ECNL, and all of these GDA clubs have been banging down ECNL's door these last few weeks to get an invite. If Thorns and LaRoca join ECNL as I was told(from a very good source) and if Quakes disbands their girls program as rumored, that leaves only 4 ex-GDA clubs available for GAL. That will not work out very well. |
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Post by dadofthree on Apr 30, 2020 18:36:50 GMT -5
Have you heard if GAL is doing a NW Conference? Rumor is they are but these two wont matter much for GAL if they arent. From what I know and hear, GAL won't make a whole lot of sense for the region. This year, there were only 4 GDA clubs in NorCal, 1 in Oregon, 1 in Washington state and 1 in Utah. Even if they all joined GAL, that's a ton of travel, especially now with families not wanting to travel because of Covid and budget restraints due to the faltering economy. Most of the best clubs in NorCal, Oregon and Washington were already in ECNL, and all of these GDA clubs have been banging down ECNL's door these last few weeks to get an invite. If Thorns and LaRoca join ECNL as I was told(from a very good source) and if Quakes disbands their girls program as rumored, that leaves only 4 ex-GDA clubs available for GAL. That will not work out very well. Yes you are right as far as just the GDA teams. Thought they might try and get some strategic additions such as Wake to add so they could limit travel to some degree. Also they will probably need to add someone in the Frontier Conference since FC Dallas has already announced ECNL and the rumor is Lonestar is going as well. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 30, 2020 18:58:00 GMT -5
In private discussions, many knew that FC Dallas was going to return home as a founding member of The ECNL. That plus the star power of an MLS backed club, there was no way ECNL would keep them out. However, ECNL is savage, first in waiting till this late to announce the homecoming and almost on the eve of the announcement of the GAL Frontier Division. Knowing that they're not going to take a club as storied as NTH. So I ask again, what is the justification for leaving NTH out of the ECNL party? Do you think NTH would abandon their GAL plans, if ECNL called tomorrow and said, hey, all is forgiven, come back into the fold? What about ECRL(not yet in the SE, I know), would NTH again abandon GAL and gladly accept a spot in the as of yet launched SE ECRL or just move GAL down and make ECRL their first team league?
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 1, 2020 8:46:39 GMT -5
No idea of they would do the ECRL approach for first team. I doubt it though, too much pride.
IMO goes to show that whatever NTH/TG said/did on their way out the ECNL door must have been particularly egregious. Possibly enough so that it may keep NTH out of ECNL for the foreseeable future.
The question I have is how long will the NTH families stand for it?
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Post by soccergirlz on May 1, 2020 9:09:54 GMT -5
In private discussions, many knew that FC Dallas was going to return home as a founding member of The ECNL. That plus the star power of an MLS backed club, there was no way ECNL would keep them out. However, ECNL is savage, first in waiting till this late to announce the homecoming and almost on the eve of the announcement of the GAL Frontier Division. Knowing that they're not going to take a club as storied as NTH. So I ask again, what is the justification for leaving NTH out of the ECNL party? Do you think NTH would abandon their GAL plans, if ECNL called tomorrow and said, hey, all is forgiven, come back into the fold? What about ECRL(not yet in the SE, I know), would NTH again abandon GAL and gladly accept a spot in the as of yet launched SE ECRL or just move GAL down and make ECRL their first team league? great questions....TH wanted to be back in ECNL, that was their first choice. They were told no and still asked again. Clubs called on their behalf. MANY of the parents want to be in ECNL. TH never wanted to leave ECNL in the first place. |
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Post by soccergurl on May 1, 2020 9:14:44 GMT -5
|tophat sad about loss of FC Dallas|
|FC Dallas one of crossover games|
|tophat fighting back|
|child on zoom call with TH alumnae|
|stanford+UNC+duke|
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Post by ball2futbol on May 1, 2020 12:50:01 GMT -5
With FC Dallas's moving back to ECNL do they keep their DPL team in place? Or abandon DPL/GAL all together?
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 1, 2020 13:43:14 GMT -5
I would guess FC Dallas 2nd team will join ECRL Texas league.
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Post by dadofthree on May 1, 2020 13:54:12 GMT -5
The quote from the ECNL commissioner noted they were also joining ercl.
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Post by footyfan on May 1, 2020 14:18:04 GMT -5
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Post by Lady Soccer Whistledown on May 1, 2020 15:17:00 GMT -5
In private discussions, many knew that FC Dallas was going to return home as a founding member of The ECNL. That plus the star power of an MLS backed club, there was no way ECNL would keep them out. However, ECNL is savage, first in waiting till this late to announce the homecoming and almost on the eve of the announcement of the GAL Frontier Division. Knowing that they're not going to take a club as storied as NTH. So I ask again, what is the justification for leaving NTH out of the ECNL party? Do you think NTH would abandon their GAL plans, if ECNL called tomorrow and said, hey, all is forgiven, come back into the fold? What about ECRL(not yet in the SE, I know), would NTH again abandon GAL and gladly accept a spot in the as of yet launched SE ECRL or just move GAL down and make ECRL their first team league? great questions....TH wanted to be back in ECNL, that was their first choice. They were told no and still asked again. Clubs called on their behalf. MANY of the parents want to be in ECNL. TH never wanted to leave ECNL in the first place. I was with you until your last sentence about TH never wanting to leave ECNL in the first place. They did and was all in for DA. Even when they had both, DA was the priority. But I respect your thought process. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 1, 2020 15:33:50 GMT -5
They didn't want to leave ECNL...for their 2nd teams.
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Post by soccergirlz on May 1, 2020 15:57:09 GMT -5
great questions....TH wanted to be back in ECNL, that was their first choice. They were told no and still asked again. Clubs called on their behalf. MANY of the parents want to be in ECNL. TH never wanted to leave ECNL in the first place. I was with you until your last sentence about TH never wanting to leave ECNL in the first place. They did and was all in for DA. Even when they had both, DA was the priority. But I respect your thought process. I dont disagree that DA was the priority, but they wanted to keep both ECNL and DA. |
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Post by footyfan on May 1, 2020 16:58:27 GMT -5
I was with you until your last sentence about TH never wanting to leave ECNL in the first place. They did and was all in for DA. Even when they had both, DA was the priority. But I respect your thought process. I dont disagree that DA was the priority, but they wanted to keep both ECNL and DA. I couldnt LOL loud enough at this. |
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Post by dadofthree on May 1, 2020 18:29:30 GMT -5
Here is what the latest rumored teams for the Frontier conference after FCD took ECNL. It is from the South Texas Forum so not sure of its reliabilty.
Rise
Oklahoma Energy FC
Dash
Lonestar SC
Lou Fusz
Colorado Rush
West Side
Sporting BV
San Antonio City
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Post by dadofthree on May 1, 2020 18:37:23 GMT -5
Actually just announced on their different feeds. Lots of travel but a good group of clubs.
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Post by footyfan on May 1, 2020 19:31:07 GMT -5
Remind me what clubs are likely in the holding pen in southeast?
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Post by dadofthree on May 2, 2020 12:18:34 GMT -5
Final (current because who knows if it will change) outcome of top 100 clubs
1. Tophat - GA
2. Solar - ECNL
3. PDA - ECNL
4. So Cal Blues - ECNL
5. FC Dallas – ECNL
6 San Diego Surf - ECNL
7. Real Colorado - ECNL
8. Legends FC - ECNL (Regional)
9. Beach FC - ECNL (Regional)
10. San Jose Earthquakes - (Neither)
11. Concorde Fire - ECNL
12. Michigan Hawks - ECNL
13. MVLA - ECNL
14. LAFC Slammers - ECNL
15. NC Courage - ECNL
16. FC Virginia - GA
17. San Juan SC - ECNL
18. SLSG (MO) - ECNL
19. Mustang SC - ECNL
20. Eclipse SC - ECNL
21. Sting SC - ECNL
22. Real So Cal - ECNL
23. Ohio Premier - ECNL
24. Crossfire Premier - ECNL
25. NEFC - GA
26. Sporting Blue Valley - GA
27. D'Feeters - ECNL
28. Cincinnati DA - GA
29. Lonestar - GA
30. Minnesota Thunder - ECNL
31. Slammers FC - ECNL
32. South Shore Select - GA
33. World Class FC - ECNL
34. FC Stars - ECNL
35. LA Galaxy - Neither
36. Tennessee SC - ECNL
37. Nationals - GA
38. Internationals - ECNL
39. Charlotte SA - ECNL
40. Heat FC - ECNL
41. McLean YS - ECNL
42. Maryland United FC - ECNL
43. Albion Hurricanes - ECNL
44. Western NY Flash - ECNL
45. Crossfire United – ECNL
46. Albion-GA
47. GSA-ECNL
48. SUSA-ECNL
49. Sporting St. Louis-ECNL
50. LA Galaxy SD-(Neither)
51. Reign- TBD
52. Ohio Elite-ECNL
53. Carolina Elite-ECNL
54. Sunrise Prime- ECNL
55. Colorado Rapids-ECNL
56. Tampa Bay United- ECNL
57. East Meadow-ECNL
58. SC Wave- GA
59. Cleveland FC- GA
60. Match Fit- ECNL
61. Scorpions- ECNL
62. Challenge- ECNL
63. Phoenix Rising-ECNL
64. CFC-ECNL
65. Lou Fusz Athletic- GA
66. Texans- ECNL
67. SD Soccer Club- (Neither)
68. Loudoun-ECNL
69. Beadling-GA
70. Washington Premier-ECNL
71. NC Fusion-ECNL
72. KC Athletics-ECNL
73. Strikers-ECNL
74. Houston Dash- GA
75. Alabama FC- ECNL
76. Rebels SC - ECNL
77. Clovis Crossfire (Neither)
78. Las Vegas Sports Ac (Neither)
79. Marin FC - ECNL
80. California Thorns - ECNL
81. Indiana Fire - ECNL
82. Oakwood SC - GA
83. SC del Sol - GA
84. Weston FC - GA
85. Pleasanton Rage - ECNL
86. Princeton SA (Neither)
87. Colorado Rush- GA
88. Michigan Jaguars - GA
89. Sockers FC Chicago - GA
90. Richmond United - ECNL
91. Penn Fusion - ECNL
92. Tulsa SC - ECNL
93. Bethesda SC - ECNL
94. LA Breakers - ECNL
95. Arlington SA - GA
96. La Roca FC - ECNL
97. Classics Elite - ECNL
98. Davis Legacy - ECNL
99. FC Pride ECNL
100. PSV Union (Neither)
Top teams:
ECNL-71
GA-21
To Be Determined-1
Neither league-7
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Post by footyfan on May 2, 2020 12:33:47 GMT -5
Is it GA or GAL? Should we call ECNL "ECN"?
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on May 2, 2020 17:20:41 GMT -5
Is it GA or GAL? Should we call ECNL "ECN"? Supposedly they are taking the L off so it will be known as Girls Academy |
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