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Post by ga3v3 on Jun 18, 2020 18:46:39 GMT -5
I think America is an okay place. Most of those who say it is a great place are not people of color. People of color in America have been made ashamed to stay true to the ways of their native country or culture. You have to assimilate in order for America to be great for you and if you don't it can downgrade to being okay or bad to be in America. American athletes of color carry all of these pluses and minuses. You can be black, but don't rock cornrows or locks. Not until recently has that been accepted within corporate or mainstream positions outside of the music industry. I've been encouraged to read the 40 million dollar slave but haven't gotten around to it. Had a conference call today and a diversity and inclusion professional was invited. She spoke about the different images in America that are super racist, but due to culture we have accepted them as the norm. Within our history, the only times it is acceptable to display cultural differences is when white people can make money off of it and in most cases the person or culture that they are mocking had no input on what is being represented. Lil Wayne went on the Skip and Shannon show and had the nerve to say that he had never experienced racism before without thinking hey I grew up in the projects which was filled with 99.9% of folks of African ancestry and didn't consider that to be systemic racism. We are so entrenched in racism it's ridiculous. Folks who are victims of it have been breathing it so much and don't realize that it is choking them. I wholeheartedly agree, bubbledad!!! First off, You guys/gals might want to look up the definition of racism. Just because you’re born into poverty and lived in so called ghettos doesn’t mean it’s due to “systemic racism” or you’re a “victim”. Second, if you think it’s so bad in the USA you should go visit some other countries in the world or even our own continent ie Mexico where my family came from. Perspective people Thirdly, even better than voting in this poll vote with your wallet and viewing preferences. If you don’t like it don’t buy tickets or watch games on TV. If you don’t care continue to support your league of choice. Consumers have the ultimate power and can send the message stronger and louder than any so called protest |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 18, 2020 19:34:21 GMT -5
Its a political issue, like socialized medicine or the 2nd amendment. People will never agree with the other side. Political parties form largely on personality types... and they will not see common ground. Yep and as an admitted fiscal conservative but more libertarian on my social ideas, I long for the days where both parties were willing to compromise and that both parties wanted to work for the good of the country as it was founded. Now its both sides going completely polar opposite of each other with one side wanting to tear down the country in the way it was founded because it isn't a "good country" and rebuild it in some globalist utopian society that would never work, and the other side reacting to that and going far right due to it. Once both parties had majority members that wanted what was best for the country as founded but they just had different ideas on how to achieve that but they compromised to work through it. Now it seems one party shifted so far polar that I don't believe there are many members left in this party in active political positions that are willing to even hear the other side anymore. They always need full capitulation or it is never "enough", and they have said so much rhetoric to their base of voters that I don't believe that they can ever go back to moderate because their voters would revolt. So they made their own bed on that issue. I do long for the 80's and hell even the 90's where compromise did indeed happen all the time and things got done. I am shocked to hear you declare yourself as a fiscal conservative but a libertarian socially as that is how I would have described myself for the last 2.5 decades and how I voted. What you have stated on many threads is far different from my views, however. I do wholeheartedly agree that we have become so polar opposite politically that the government is going to he double hockey sticks in a handbasket. I agree with others who said social media and 24 hour "news" is partly to blame. I had foolishly hoped that the heart warming things I saw during the pandemic, like young people buying groceries for their elderly neighbors and Liverpool fans singing "you'll never walk alone" to the health care workers and the Parisiens clapping nightly from their balconies would let the world understand that we are all more alike than we are different and encourage empathy and a new perspective. Unfortunately things did not seem to last. We are back to our divisive ways. Our political sniping. Our "my way is the right way" mentality. 😔 |
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Post by BubbleDad on Jun 18, 2020 22:01:35 GMT -5
First off, You guys/gals might want to look up the definition of racism. Just because you’re born into poverty and lived in so called ghettos doesn’t mean it’s due to “systemic racism” or you’re a “victim”. Second, if you think it’s so bad in the USA you should go visit some other countries in the world or even our own continent ie Mexico where my family came from. Perspective people Thirdly, even better than voting in this poll vote with your wallet and viewing preferences. If you don’t like it don’t buy tickets or watch games on TV. If you don’t care continue to support your league of choice. Consumers have the ultimate power and can send the message stronger and louder than any so called protest Here folks go again looking at the surface. Please read the book MisEducation of the Negro so you can see why a bunch of black folks living in the projects as systematic racism. Read the Willy Lynch papers so you can see the layed out plans of systematic racism. Oh yeah Mexico ... conquered by the Spaniards... you are under the rule of a president who pretty much is telling the masses to hate Mexicans ... as the US polutes Mexico ... US becomes powerful by sucking the resources of powerless countries. It's like Rouge from Xmen. And yes, I will continue to stay in the United States and reap all the resources that my ancestors bled for. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Jun 19, 2020 8:31:01 GMT -5
Just because you’re born into poverty and lived in so called ghettos doesn’t mean it’s due to “systemic racism” or you’re a “victim”. |
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Post by bogan on Jun 19, 2020 9:18:51 GMT -5
How do we move forward as a society, together?
Like it or not, while we may all be in the same storm, we are not all in the same boat.
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Post by rifle on Jun 19, 2020 14:51:55 GMT -5
A lot of people suffer hardships. A lot of people also suffer more just because of the color of their skin. And that’s really bad. The sooner everyone acknowledges that fact, we’ll all be better off. I think Kimberly Jones said it very powerfully when she said we should “be thankful people of color only want equality and not revenge”. Edit: found an actual Christian in a news story. More of this please. www.yahoo.com/news/chick-fil-ceo-urged-white-163945775.html |
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Post by soccerlegacy on Jun 19, 2020 15:04:09 GMT -5
Just because you’re born into poverty and lived in so called ghettos doesn’t mean it’s due to “systemic racism” or you’re a “victim”. This Wiki talks of events that happened 50 to 90 years ago. I feel I'm walking onto a trap here, but is there anything in past few generations of people that would cause these young people that are protesting to riot like they are? Just trying to educate myself here... |
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Post by soccerloafer on Jun 19, 2020 18:54:30 GMT -5
"People of color in America have been made ashamed to stay true to the ways of their native country or culture. You have to assimilate in order for America to be great for you and if you don't it can downgrade to being okay or bad to be in America."
Not specific to people of color - if you immigrated to the US because your native country turned into a s44thole because of culture or norms, perhaps it's best to leave those behind and assimilate the values of freedom and personal responsibility.
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Post by ga3v3 on Jun 19, 2020 19:27:33 GMT -5
A lot of people suffer hardships. A lot of people also suffer more just because of the color of their skin. And that’s really bad. The sooner everyone acknowledges that fact, we’ll all be better off. I think Kimberly Jones said it very powerfully when she said we should “be thankful people of color only want equality and not revenge”. Edit: found an actual Christian in a news story. More of this please. www.yahoo.com/news/chick-fil-ceo-urged-white-163945775.htmlSuffering is one of the universal truths of being a human on earth. It has nothing to do with the color of someone’s skin. Anyone that is born in the USA suffers ways less than the majority of the population on our planet. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Jun 19, 2020 19:30:25 GMT -5
This Wiki talks of events that happened 50 to 90 years ago. I feel I'm walking onto a trap here, but is there anything in past few generations of people that would cause these young people that are protesting to riot like they are? Just trying to educate myself here... This video does a decent job of simply explaining the long term ramifications.
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Post by BubbleDad on Jun 19, 2020 20:30:47 GMT -5
How do we move forward as a society, together? Like it or not, while we may all be in the same storm, we are not all in the same boat. we all have to pick a cause that strives for equality and stay diligent. I vote and hope to find opportunities to encourage school systems to be universally funded by the state instead of by property taxes. |
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Post by honeybadger on Jun 28, 2020 19:45:24 GMT -5
1. Irish men were slaves to the English in the 1500's and brought to the Carribean and the north american continent before the African slave trade. I'm irish. It's irrelevant to me today.
2. Belgians were enslavened for hundred years.
3. There are black slaves in parts of Africa today.
4. My grandparents (white) on my mom's side lived in government housing. I used to stay with them while my mom worked. They had no white privilege. My first home with my mom was an attic she rented out while she was a waitress. We then lived in a trailer park until I was 14.
4. Privilege isn't a skin color-it's an economic/structured family/professional/cultural one. The poorest counties in the country are those in the eastern parts of Kentucky of the Apalachian peoples. They are white. They do not have white privilege. Alcoholism, suicide, spousal abuse is higher here than the national average. If a single mom with four kids and living on welfare in Apalachia is compared to a black family with a mom and dad in the same house together, and both with solid paying jobs, and both helping there kids with school work and discipline, I ask you, which kids in this scenario have "privilege"? It's the black kids. They are going to have privileges the white kids won't have. Why? Family/culture/discipline.
5. Chinese-Americans were basically indentured servants and built the railroads. Yet they succeed in this country today.Family/culture/discipline.
6. Asian - American families come here and 1-2 generations later have the highest school scores across American. How is that so? Family/culture/discipline.
5. There are systemic barriers for whites and blacks and others if they are born into a home with one parent, no income coming in, etc. That is not a skin color privilege.
As long as the same party that has been in charge of Mayorialships, City Council, and Schools in these large violent cities for the past 30-50 years stay in power, those people who have to live there will keep suffering. In Baltimore ALONE , there are 13 high schools and not ONE graduate in the entire district in 2019 graduated who was profficient in reading. Unnaceptable. At least ONCE in 50 years give another political party a shot--they can't do worse.........why would a business choose to move to a violent city with schools who won't educate the youth and the police are now backing down? They will continue to relocate to areas where their business won't be burned down and people are willing to live. Therefore, these areas will continue to have no jobs for these people. The cycle continues.
Until we all get over the guilt about what happened to this group or that group at some point in world history (basically every race is the offspring of some ancestor in some part of the world who was a slave at some point)we will still be having this same issue in 200 years. Africans, Irish, Belgium, English (Vikings), Native Americans were enslaved by other Native American clans, on and on and on and on. Can't undo that.
The best way to overcome a lack of privilege or systemic racism is to 1st, decide that YOU will overcome it, 2nd, get away from the bad influences (for example, if you hang out with friends who when they get pulled over for a busted tailight who instead of simply handing over the ID/registration would rather argue, scuffle,) they will bring you down one day, 3rd, read, study, watch all sides of political discourse. 4th, make your child with no privilege study until the get all A's and B's in HS and they can go to college through the HOPE program.
As a matter of fact, most colleges allow more minorities and women in than they do white me in order to equal things out, so in this case , the white guy has no extra privielge. The "privilege" here would go to the minority or female.
Decide today that you will do all these things and maybe you won't make it out, but you can sure instil in your child enough that they make it out. Then a new cycle can begin for your family-one of success and privilege-whether it be white, black, or brown privilege.
Since everyone else commented on this I did too.
As far as the point of the topic though (since this thread got way off topic) , I say this: if I'm supposed to respect those who kneel, then if my daughter is ever in this situation and decides to stand, she better be respected too. And she has already said she will always stand for the National Anthem. If a person is seen as courageous for kneeling, those who choose to stand are also courageous because they will become pressured by the masses for standing.
What if a girl or boy is the only one on a team to stand? That takes courage too.
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Post by flix on Jun 28, 2020 20:34:32 GMT -5
I’m a little confused as I thought I read the topic as should US Soccer players be allowed to kneel. So why are you talking about your daughter or son being allowed to stand if they want? When was the last time the national anthem was played at an academy match? Perhaps you are playing on my higher levels than I am aware of.
And it also surprises me to come on a soccer forum and get inaccurate history lessons.
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Post by soccerlegacy on Jun 28, 2020 21:33:52 GMT -5
I’m a little confused as I thought I read the topic as should US Soccer players be allowed to kneel. So why are you talking about your daughter or son being allowed to stand if they want? When was the last time the national anthem was played at an academy match? Perhaps you are playing on my higher levels than I am aware of. And it also surprises me to come on a soccer forum and get inaccurate history lessons. Did you read through this thread from the beginning or just jump to the last one and then comment? If so, go back and read the previous comments being discussed, as the thread has morphed into a talk about social injustices or the perception of social injustices. However, I say feel free to comment on your stance about the US Soccer players standing or kneeling though, it appears there are comments about the topic interlaced with the others and I'm sure some would respond to it and stay out of the fray on the other off-topic comments, if that is what you are looking for. |
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Post by justwatching on Jun 28, 2020 22:06:44 GMT -5
1. Irish men were slaves to the English in the 1500's and brought to the Carribean and the north american continent before the African slave trade. I'm irish. It's irrelevant to me today. 2. Belgians were enslavened for hundred years. 3. There are black slaves in parts of Africa today. 4. My grandparents (white) on my mom's side lived in government housing. I used to stay with them while my mom worked. They had no white privilege. My first home with my mom was an attic she rented out while she was a waitress. We then lived in a trailer park until I was 14. 4. Privilege isn't a skin color-it's an economic/structured family/professional/cultural one. The poorest counties in the country are those in the eastern parts of Kentucky of the Apalachian peoples. They are white. They do not have white privilege. Alcoholism, suicide, spousal abuse is higher here than the national average. If a single mom with four kids and living on welfare in Apalachia is compared to a black family with a mom and dad in the same house together, and both with solid paying jobs, and both helping there kids with school work and discipline, I ask you, which kids in this scenario have "privilege"? It's the black kids. They are going to have privileges the white kids won't have. Why? Family/culture/discipline. 5. Chinese-Americans were basically indentured servants and built the railroads. Yet they succeed in this country today.Family/culture/discipline. 6. Asian - American families come here and 1-2 generations later have the highest school scores across American. How is that so? Family/culture/discipline. 5. There are systemic barriers for whites and blacks and others if they are born into a home with one parent, no income coming in, etc. That is not a skin color privilege. As long as the same party that has been in charge of Mayorialships, City Council, and Schools in these large violent cities for the past 30-50 years stay in power, those people who have to live there will keep suffering. In Baltimore ALONE , there are 13 high schools and not ONE graduate in the entire district in 2019 graduated who was profficient in reading. Unnaceptable. At least ONCE in 50 years give another political party a shot--they can't do worse.........why would a business choose to move to a violent city with schools who won't educate the youth and the police are now backing down? They will continue to relocate to areas where their business won't be burned down and people are willing to live. Therefore, these areas will continue to have no jobs for these people. The cycle continues. Until we all get over the guilt about what happened to this group or that group at some point in world history (basically every race is the offspring of some ancestor in some part of the world who was a slave at some point)we will still be having this same issue in 200 years. Africans, Irish, Belgium, English (Vikings), Native Americans were enslaved by other Native American clans, on and on and on and on. Can't undo that. The best way to overcome a lack of privilege or systemic racism is to 1st, decide that YOU will overcome it, 2nd, get away from the bad influences (for example, if you hang out with friends who when they get pulled over for a busted tailight who instead of simply handing over the ID/registration would rather argue, scuffle,) they will bring you down one day, 3rd, read, study, watch all sides of political discourse. 4th, make your child with no privilege study until the get all A's and B's in HS and they can go to college through the HOPE program. As a matter of fact, most colleges allow more minorities and women in than they do white me in order to equal things out, so in this case , the white guy has no extra privielge. The "privilege" here would go to the minority or female. Decide today that you will do all these things and maybe you won't make it out, but you can sure instil in your child enough that they make it out. Then a new cycle can begin for your family-one of success and privilege-whether it be white, black, or brown privilege. Since everyone else commented on this I did too. As far as the point of the topic though (since this thread got way off topic) , I say this: if I'm supposed to respect those who kneel, then if my daughter is ever in this situation and decides to stand, she better be respected too. And she has already said she will always stand for the National Anthem. If a person is seen as courageous for kneeling, those who choose to stand are also courageous because they will become pressured by the masses for standing. What if a girl or boy is the only one on a team to stand? That takes courage too. I think you have said in some of your previous posts that you are a school teacher. I really hate that someone with some of the thoughts you have expressed on this forum (not just this post) is in a position that can greatly influence young impressionable kids. It really does sadden me. |
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Post by soccerparent02 on Jun 28, 2020 22:26:57 GMT -5
Great post! My grandfather dug ditches in a midwestern state during the depression to earn government food stamps. My father served in WW II came home and made 0.53 an hour to start, raised a large family no government help. Proud to say I was a first generation college graduate. Our kids are in college and doing well. This in 3 generations from the depression. It can be done with hard work.
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Post by ball2futbol on Jun 28, 2020 23:33:29 GMT -5
honeybadger Like you, I too have refrained from commenting on this thread and have refreshed the page praying that the thread had died! I read your long post in its entirety. Bless Your Heart... clearly your above thesis or lack of conceptualizing anything outside of your peripheral view has denied you the basic understanding of the word "systemic". You're absolutely right, privilege isn't about skin-color, it's economic, hence systemic. I'm unapologetic about my "privilege" like most. But I do know that it does me no good, if I don't support those that aren't as fortunate. But unfortunately, the economics are built or played as a zero-sum game... so in order for those winning, to keep winning, someone else or "group" must lose. No ones asking to change the game, but don't keep deflating the footballs, then ask me why I can't throw as far. As a product of the pull yourself up from the boot-straps mentality, who wouldn't agree with many of the things you've referenced on hard work, "FAMILY, CULTURE, DISCIPLINE" multiple times, might I add. But that leads me to a question, if ones "FAMILY and CULTURE" have been erased from history how do you expect that same person to exude the "DISCIPLINE" that you referenced is lacking from an entire "group" of people? SMH! "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that ALL men are created equal, that they are endowed by their CREATOR with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" I'm sure your're familiar with the quote. That wasn't part of the "Belgium, African or English" constitution from the 1500's. How weak! Aren't we all White, Black, Asian, Chinese, Hispanic etc. protected by the same US constitution in this country? You can't empathize or sympathize with the experiences you've sadly attempted to define in your post, WHY because they are not yours! That's YOUR point of view... stop trying to pathetically rationalize an someones experience of getting pulled over and asked for ID, based upon YOUR views and experiences. And your a teacher? As for your daughters right to stand OR not, I do believe that same US constitution protects her in doing so, right? I for one would encourage her to stand, kneel, squat, whatever! And i'm pretty sure my pearl harbor surviving grandfather (RIP) could care less which she chose! I've never knelt for anyone or anything in my life other than at my catholic church... which we do alot. But kneeling or protesting isn't about asking for handouts and damn sure not about the anthem or flag, it's about EQUALITY. Now can someone please please please re-post the link to the SoCal or any other state soccer blog that actually talks about youth soccer. This is getting really sad! Can't imagine what parents from out of state think when they take a peak at the GA Soccer Blog! SMH
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Post by mistergrinch on Jun 29, 2020 7:39:41 GMT -5
Every time I hear someone talking about 'pulling yourself up by the bootstraps'.. I love pointing out that the phrase is referring to an impossible task - as one actually cannot pull themselves up by bootstraps.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Jun 29, 2020 8:25:35 GMT -5
My player will stand at attention for the national anthem with hand across heart
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Post by BubbleDad on Jun 29, 2020 9:40:20 GMT -5
1. Irish men were slaves to the English in the 1500's and brought to the Carribean and the north american continent before the African slave trade. I'm irish. It's irrelevant to me today. 2. Belgians were enslavened for hundred years. 3. There are black slaves in parts of Africa today. 4. My grandparents (white) on my mom's side lived in government housing. I used to stay with them while my mom worked. They had no white privilege. My first home with my mom was an attic she rented out while she was a waitress. We then lived in a trailer park until I was 14. 4. Privilege isn't a skin color-it's an economic/structured family/professional/cultural one. The poorest counties in the country are those in the eastern parts of Kentucky of the Apalachian peoples. They are white. They do not have white privilege. Alcoholism, suicide, spousal abuse is higher here than the national average. If a single mom with four kids and living on welfare in Apalachia is compared to a black family with a mom and dad in the same house together, and both with solid paying jobs, and both helping there kids with school work and discipline, I ask you, which kids in this scenario have "privilege"? It's the black kids. They are going to have privileges the white kids won't have. Why? Family/culture/discipline. 5. Chinese-Americans were basically indentured servants and built the railroads. Yet they succeed in this country today.Family/culture/discipline. 6. Asian - American families come here and 1-2 generations later have the highest school scores across American. How is that so? Family/culture/discipline. 5. There are systemic barriers for whites and blacks and others if they are born into a home with one parent, no income coming in, etc. That is not a skin color privilege. As long as the same party that has been in charge of Mayorialships, City Council, and Schools in these large violent cities for the past 30-50 years stay in power, those people who have to live there will keep suffering. In Baltimore ALONE , there are 13 high schools and not ONE graduate in the entire district in 2019 graduated who was profficient in reading. Unnaceptable. At least ONCE in 50 years give another political party a shot--they can't do worse.........why would a business choose to move to a violent city with schools who won't educate the youth and the police are now backing down? They will continue to relocate to areas where their business won't be burned down and people are willing to live. Therefore, these areas will continue to have no jobs for these people. The cycle continues. Until we all get over the guilt about what happened to this group or that group at some point in world history (basically every race is the offspring of some ancestor in some part of the world who was a slave at some point)we will still be having this same issue in 200 years. Africans, Irish, Belgium, English (Vikings), Native Americans were enslaved by other Native American clans, on and on and on and on. Can't undo that. The best way to overcome a lack of privilege or systemic racism is to 1st, decide that YOU will overcome it, 2nd, get away from the bad influences (for example, if you hang out with friends who when they get pulled over for a busted tailight who instead of simply handing over the ID/registration would rather argue, scuffle,) they will bring you down one day, 3rd, read, study, watch all sides of political discourse. 4th, make your child with no privilege study until the get all A's and B's in HS and they can go to college through the HOPE program. As a matter of fact, most colleges allow more minorities and women in than they do white me in order to equal things out, so in this case , the white guy has no extra privielge. The "privilege" here would go to the minority or female. Decide today that you will do all these things and maybe you won't make it out, but you can sure instil in your child enough that they make it out. Then a new cycle can begin for your family-one of success and privilege-whether it be white, black, or brown privilege. Since everyone else commented on this I did too. As far as the point of the topic though (since this thread got way off topic) , I say this: if I'm supposed to respect those who kneel, then if my daughter is ever in this situation and decides to stand, she better be respected too. And she has already said she will always stand for the National Anthem. If a person is seen as courageous for kneeling, those who choose to stand are also courageous because they will become pressured by the masses for standing. What if a girl or boy is the only one on a team to stand? That takes courage too. Lawdy lawd honeybadger ... Yes. There are oppressed people all over the world all through the world's history but we are talking about Americans and the American experience and how not everyone based on their color were offered certain opportunities. Folks are kneeling because they are sick of not being recognized as human beings ... only when it's convenient for the American status quo. I fully read your list now read mine: 1) Did you watch "Be Water" the 30 for 30 about Bruce Lee? Talks about Asians being pitted against blacks. Asians having to assimilate in order to be accepted in America ... oh yeah and white ppl playing them in movies instead of employing real Asians 2) Most ppl of European ancestry can trace their roots based on their last name ... unfortunately most blacks here can't do the same ... we are traced back to Irish enslavers a lot of times ... a case of hurt ppl hurt ppl would you say? 3) any history you want to acknowledge where Irish or Belgium folks are lynched after coming home from war or just whistling at a white woman? Or entire towns like Rosewood and a section of Tulsa burn to the ground because a white woman lied about being raped. These towns had blue collar and Rich black people who were doing well for themselves and bothering no one. 4) there is a historic organization here in the US with Irish roots who preyed on blacks for a hundred years here ... without penalty ... interfering with voting, career progression, school integration ... their name starts with a K ... ring a bell? 5) Have you heard of the Willy Lynch papers where there was a laid out plan on how to break the African slave mentally, physically and hijack them spiritually? 6) heck yeah there are opportunities NOW afforded to women and those who are also minorities... white men have had a 400 year head start!!! Black folks are promised 40 acres and a mule once freed ... I guess edu opps are a start ... 7) As blacks, some are still having to be convinced that these new opportunities are for us and how to take advantage of them 8) Religion is the biggest culprit used to surpress all those who come from non-christian cultures... white Jesus when the bible clearly states skin of bronze, hair of wool 9) the poor white folks of America were comforted by the fact that no matter how poor they were they were still more relevant than the black man. I am convinced Martin Luther King was assassinated because he started getting working class white people to understand that they were in the same boat as blacks but they were just being culturally told that their wealth was in their skin ... |
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Post by BubbleDad on Jun 30, 2020 9:50:42 GMT -5
A lot of people suffer hardships. A lot of people also suffer more just because of the color of their skin. And that’s really bad. The sooner everyone acknowledges that fact, we’ll all be better off. I think Kimberly Jones said it very powerfully when she said we should “be thankful people of color only want equality and not revenge”. Edit: found an actual Christian in a news story. More of this please. www.yahoo.com/news/chick-fil-ceo-urged-white-163945775.htmlSuffering is one of the universal truths of being a human on earth. It has nothing to do with the color of someone’s skin. Anyone that is born in the USA suffers ways less than the majority of the population on our planet. You just refuse to acknowledge the plight of folks of African ancestry in this country. I want to emphasize this country. Ask Oprah and a bunch of successful black folks what it took for them to get where they are ... the cultural smothering and assimilating they had to do inorder to be accepted. Believe me, I'm a Marine Corps brat who has been afforded many opportunities that I have definitely taken advantage of. I used to ask family why doesn't so and so do this and so and so do that to be successful? I have a stepson that I tried to afford the same opportunities but he chose a different route because what I was asking him to do wasn't the cool thing to do. Yes we definitely have frustrations within our own Community but it also comes down to the way that our kids have been targeted whether it be through music or movies. Certain artist being promoted over others. You all don't know how deep it goes when it comes to keeping a race in the same position for centuries. Look at majority of the countries that Europeans have colonized. You have major colorism issues. What poor Mexicans are going through right now, slavery was what our people went through but minus the minimum wage. The minimum wage was food and clothing on your back. Mexicans are trying to escape their country and come to the US now, our people were trying to escape the United States and go to Canada. This shizat ain't as black and white as honeybadger and many of you "I'm going to stand for the anthem with my hand on my chest"'ers make it out to be ... this shizat's roots go so deeeeeeppppppp. Our ppl have been trying to have the mic and spotlight to show that those of black ancestry matter b/c folks are getting whacked at a higher rate than most without consequence... stop trying to snatch the mic out of our hands and listen. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Jun 30, 2020 16:07:20 GMT -5
"those of black ancestry matter b/c folks are getting whacked at a higher rate than most without consequence." Statistically, the vast majority of blacks are killed by other blacks. Unarmed black males have 1000x higher chance of getting killed by another black male than a police officer. But that's a much harder issue to protest. It's also not the issue being discussed.
A black male is estimated to be killed by police at a rate of about 1 per 1000. A white male is about 39 per 100,000.
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Post by BubbleDad on Jun 30, 2020 22:12:58 GMT -5
"those of black ancestry matter b/c folks are getting whacked at a higher rate than most without consequence." Statistically, the vast majority of blacks are killed by other blacks. Unarmed black males have 1000x higher chance of getting killed by another black male than a police officer. But that's a much harder issue to protest. Hmmmm ... another weak argument. Can you also share how many white people are killed by white people, how many Asian people are killed by Asian people, how many Hispanic people are killed by Hispanic people ... look at all of these situations where people are doing mass shootings ... most of them are white males and walking away alive if they don't kill themselves before they go to jail. You have either innocent or people who are getting caught up in petty crimes that are black ending up dead and these people are unarmed. This is why people are saying black lives matter because it seems like crooked police aren't seeing them as valuable. They feel like they'll catch more heat over killing a white person than they would a black person but all of that is coming to a stop I hope. |
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Post by soccerloafer on Jul 1, 2020 7:59:11 GMT -5
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jul 1, 2020 10:18:03 GMT -5
You know, a sub board for politics/arguments wouldn't be a bad thing.
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Post by justwatching on Jul 1, 2020 10:30:03 GMT -5
This is not a liberal or conservative issue and it is not a media projected problem. Read some books do some research on systemic racism if you are not well educated on what it is or how it affects all areas of life. It is not just police brutality that's the problem. It is education, mass incarceration, equity in the work place (or even to get into the work place), access to capital, crime, etc. Stop trying to come up with statistics on black on black crime or whatever and really try and understand the root cause of issues in America. These results are merely symptoms of our society.
Some good reads right off the top of my head (some even have movies if you don't want to dedicate the time to read) White Fragility, The Banker, The New Jim Crow, Just Mercy, Between the World and Me...
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Post by soccerlegacy on Jul 1, 2020 11:09:56 GMT -5
"those of black ancestry matter b/c folks are getting whacked at a higher rate than most without consequence." Statistically, the vast majority of blacks are killed by other blacks. Unarmed black males have 1000x higher chance of getting killed by another black male than a police officer. But that's a much harder issue to protest. It's also not the issue being discussed.
A black male is estimated to be killed by police at a rate of about 1 per 1000. A white male is about 39 per 100,000.
So according to this study you linked: Over the life course (?): 21,000+/- blacks are killed by police 25,000+/- white males are killed by police The Washington Post has been tracking shootings by police since 2015 and their numbers don't seem anywhere close to this: Washington Post |
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Post by BubbleDad on Jul 1, 2020 12:12:00 GMT -5
people choose to have abortions, unarmed blacks don't choose to get shot to death ... next argument ... I'm prolife in all realms. |
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Post by rudy on Jul 1, 2020 12:18:33 GMT -5
While I agree with your point about abortion being a choice, I encourage you to look at the history of why PP was formed.
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Post by bogan on Jul 1, 2020 12:21:36 GMT -5
I like green jello.
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