Kneeling during soccer matches

I agree with you there. I'll rephrase that. At 14 and 12, they say they won't. And my 12 year old got asked by a friend  on social media at her school "Why are shooting firework this 4th because America is a bad place"....My 12 year old response " Because I love my country and it beats living in other countries worse than us"....That's pretty deep for a 12 year old because we've told our girls think how you feel not how dad feels. 

They shoot rifles and guns more than most adults do. 

And by the way, all these liberal kids marching on campus acting up when their parents paid $60K+ for them to go to school have not learned the main lesson inlife: no one owes you a d**n thing. You have to earn it. My kids aren't entitled, and like parents SHOULD be, as long as they are under my roof they will do what my wife and I tell them to do. 

They want to stand because they love America, but until they pay my house and my car, while they live with me, they will stand for the flag. Not an option.

People can disagree, can call my "old fashioned" I don't care. It's my opinion and I respect yours too. The problem with many of these idiots that took over Seattle is they never had rules at home-and many of them are "college educated" students. 

If from the old school under my house its what I say. Not what you say.

Reparations should be given to blacks through free education and the property the gov't promised our ancestors

Someone finally said it. I wondered how long that was going to take...

Happy Independence Day!!

@paparoach ... why comment if you are wanting folks to move on? Everything you said folks should do is being done. A lot of these athletes are active in their communities AND kneeling.

Ppl are active on ALL fronts ... they just aren't publicized.

I actually created a non political thread yesterday to get away from politics and have a little fun. So far it has had 209 looks and ZERO responses. Maybe people do want to talk politics?

We have been in unchartered waters for some time now, on and off the fields. We are trying to figure it out, starting from listening to others more.

I agree we do. But as long as ignorance is the norm today, there can't be a conversation. As far as I can tell, all the "conversation" is required to be one way: how "whites" can make up for the sins of their fathers. In order to have a two way conversation where we can ALL learn, everyone needs to accept the facts.

1. The African slave trade was started by Africans for Africans. They then sold those salves to Americans, Asians, Europeans and South Americans. yet white Americans are required to carry the burden for something that has gone on for thousands of years by every race. FACT.
2. America had slaves. FACT.
3. The US and England were the 1st two nations to abolish slavery. FACT.
4. Slavery still exists in Africa today. FACT.
5. Irish were English slaves in Europe before African slaves came to America. FACT.
6. Anthony Johnson (a black man) was the 1st owner of a legal purchaseof a black slave in the US. FACT.
7. Hundreds of blacks owned black slaves IN the US. FACT.
8. There were more blacks freed in the south than were in the north. Lincoln's great "Emancipation proclomation" did not end slavery in the north (yes, there were slaves in the north), only in parts of the south where Union troops did not control. (Lincoln wanted to have slave insurrections in those places). But the E.P. did not end slavery in the south in places that the Union controlled (because Lincoln was a bigot also and didn't want to have to deal with them). FACT.


The point? Until both sides can agree that the white man is not the only race in this world who should be verbally, media wise, politcially and culturally scorned for every ill that some in the black community feel they should be scorned for, there will be no dialogue. All our skin colors at some point in history has been on the ownnership side of slavery.

I treat everyone with respect (I protested here locally against the cop who killed George Floyd) , how many of you on here did that? Maybe many of you. My family on both sides are multiracial (bothers me not). But one thing I will never do:apologize for something that none of my ancestors had anyhting to do with. I've gone back 4 generations on both sides and we were dirt poor cotton pickers and farmers. I don't owe anyone an apology.

The biggest apology needs to come from the African nations who STARTED the slave trade and the African nations who have slavery still going today. I don't need to be preached at by self righteous people who will simply follow my post with something cute like " feeling upset today?", "Must be a FOXNEWS guy", "so, another Trump supporter". Those types of post are the problem--all cute, but no substance.

There will come a day when BLM gets everything they want, ANTIFA will get everything they want, and after years of mass violence in the streets where police do nothing, where many in this country will regret using the southern white male as the punching bag. I hold no ill will towards anyone. How many of the Megan Rapino types has been to an all black school? I did for 2 years.

This all wraps back around to the kneeling:
1. The people kneeling have NO CLUE about their history. More unarmed white men (18) were killed by cops than were unarmed black men (9) last year. This year , George Floyd, Arbury, and the gentleman here at Wendys were killed by cops. The past 10 days THREE blacks were killed in the BLM/ANTIFA utopia of CHAZ/CHOP or whatever the hell they call it.
2. BLM is KNOWN to be started by Marxists (they admit it on video if you get off the white guilt train and look it up). It's not about BLM, it's about creating chaos and turning this country into Venezuela with no law and order. Can BLM (or any of you hear for that matter, name ONE black child murdered in Chicago within the past two weeks by black on black crime without doing a google search? ) of course most of you can't. If BLM cared about black lives they'd be where 90% of black lives are lost--in the streets of these urban cities controlled by Democrat mayors, city councils, Governors. But they don't give a d**n about black lives. It's ALL politics.

Therefore. I'm off this board permanently. Too many people who don't know history and just follow the narrative. That's easy to do. it makes people feel good. For those who've discussed things with me in the past through private message and helped me as I have helped you, you may continue to PM and as the protocoal requires, all that stuff stays confidentila.

But I'm out.

Don’t take your soccer ball and go home-I like your rants no matter how wrong you are (that was humor). 😬

This is a long thread a singular topic but as much as folks say they don't like to discuss politics, they do crave the ability to share their opinion and I'm happy about that. So here is mine: I understand children and adults who wish to stand for the anthem, and those who decide to peacefully kneel for it as well. It doesn't impact me positively or negatively either way. My children are young and see the world through very affluent suburban perspectives. However, they also have ask questions about racism and the BLM movement, good and throughout questions. I don't think they have enough life experience or empathy at this time in their life to make a conscious choice to not stand, but if they choose to I won't stop them or request that they change their views. It's part of being an individual and it's important to understand that your beliefs and perceptions can evolve over your lifetime.

What I don't understand is the emotion of the other side when someone decides to kneel. There does seem to be a urge to attach a bunch of false narratives to those individuals rather than actually believing their explanations for their actions. I have heard: They are "anti-flag", I don't even know what that means, or they are anti-USA, or they are anti-military, or anti-veteran but then you ask these athletes or fans...they state it's just a peaceful way to break attention to a issue that is very important to them in our country.

I really didn't intend on responding and have no intention of going back and forth right now...

Many of these comments are exactly why I can say we are nowhere near 99% of people not having racial biases that result in inequities for black people and others of color. Regardless of what you think about slavery, it's origins, who participated, who owed who, whose ancestors are guilty of what, slavery and well beyond slavery has and still is negatively affecting black people (segragation, education, mass incarceration, access to capital, police brutality, professional opportunities, etc. The list is long) . Please stop talking about what other groups have supposedly endured, if it is true or not it is not relevant. Also, you don't have to sit in your house with a confederate flag and participate in a lynching to be racist. People who consider themselves "good people" do racist stuff a lot. Some of them even have black husbands, wives, kids, friends, and colleagues. Racism happens every day several times a day. Acceptance/admittance is step one.

Our kids knows IF they kneel to appease a coach and/or position themselves on bended knee to team peer pressure on a field of play during the presentation of the American Flag, that short lived moment will be the length of their soccer season once the National Anthem stops and the American Flag is secured and/or covered. Right, Wrong and/or indifferent, Freedom of choice and expression comes with recourse and/or consequences.

The freedom to stand proud among the mass is just as strong or stronger than the few wanting to sit or kneel for their momentarily individual justification that will fade away in time.. just saying though, was kneeling or sitting even a moment prior too CK being demoted to the bench?

Hmmm, I don't recall CK being anti anything as a baseball starter in HS, QB at University of Nevada or as the starting QB with the 49ers but amazing how a girl and injuries has a way of changing one's state of mind. - just my 2 cents though

Again, IF the protest is really about positive change, go to the source of the problem(s) and be part of the solution by providing meaningful substance beyond kneeling or sitting on your butt doing nothing at the start of a sporting event.

IF it's not about the FLAG, National Anthem or anyone wearing an uniform servicing this great nation, WHY kneel or sit only during the presentation of both at a sporting event? I sure don't recall anyone kneeling or sitting when Marvin Gaye gave a soul-influenced performance in 1983 or when Whitney Houston gave a soulful rendition in 1991 and differently NOONE kneeled after 9/11 aftermath did they?

To bubbledad: This isn't a debate on who does/did what in their communities hence your unwilling or plain refusal to even defend the selected picked athletes or teams presented to you already - The initial research was done prior to posting the selection of kneeling moments for you to justify and clarify on how these ppl actually brought positive change to their communities based on their kneeling. I figured and assumed you would opt out, deflect, and high tail it back to the 99.9% potion of this SOCCER forum. - When you are ready for a soccer debate, i be waiting on a bended knee for your soccer related question