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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Jun 17, 2020 14:15:41 GMT -5
I am willing to bet Tophat will be just fine. We do not rebuild we reload. For all the people that wish Tophat fails just enjoy your win you have for now and remember the cream always rises to the top. It may not be right away but it will rise.
I just hope that Tophat remembers who are loyal and who ran when times get tough. Maybe they will build from the inside instead of always going after the shiny new object
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Post by soccergurl on Jun 17, 2020 14:28:31 GMT -5
DA kool-aid drinking is strong with some smh
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Post by Strikeorkeep on Jun 17, 2020 14:34:49 GMT -5
I thought '06 only lost 3. I'll be definitely interested in seeing how the 07 perform. As a product of the NASA Tophat migration, I'm rooting for the '07s that remain because they are mostly out of Metro North. I believe the 06s lost 2 and picked up one former DA player from UFA and one came back from Concorde Premiere that left TH the year before They picked up 2 former TH players that left (UFA DA and Concorde Premiere) as well as added another from UFA DA. THey ended up losing 3 but only 2 went to outside club. One moved up to 2005 due to 2023 graduation. |
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Post by BubbleDad on Jun 17, 2020 14:56:59 GMT -5
I believe the 06s lost 2 and picked up one former DA player from UFA and one came back from Concorde Premiere that left TH the year before They picked up 2 former TH players that left (UFA DA and Concorde Premiere) as well as added another from UFA DA. THey ended up losing 3 but only 2 went to outside club. One moved up to 2005 due to 2023 graduation. The 2023 grad was the '06s goalie the last couple of years? |
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Post by Strikeorkeep on Jun 17, 2020 14:59:58 GMT -5
They picked up 2 former TH players that left (UFA DA and Concorde Premiere) as well as added another from UFA DA. THey ended up losing 3 but only 2 went to outside club. One moved up to 2005 due to 2023 graduation. The 2023 grad was the '06s goalie the last couple of years? Yep, came in with her former CF North teammates a few years ago during Hunger Games tryouts  . Greak kid, very talented. |
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Post by liverpoolfc on Jun 17, 2020 15:12:20 GMT -5
Taking over what? Sorry, I don’t think ecnl is worried Where in the comment did anyone ever mentioned ECNL, and US youth soccer is big enough to have two competitive leagues. |
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Post by liverpoolfc on Jun 17, 2020 15:16:12 GMT -5
Yea sorry, I mean like even those clubs that never ever had DA or ECNL -- clubs that neither would ever allow in -- that is where there only chance lies (however you spell it..) You're right and i think GA have a chance to create levels of competitive environment whereby top Ga teams can be relegated and teams on the outside can be promoted based on how they performed. |
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Post by liverpoolfc on Jun 17, 2020 15:20:57 GMT -5
I find it humorous how people are putting down a league that is yet to even have their first game or even practice. Do I believe they will be the best league? Not in year one because they have to see what they have and fix the problems that occur. Yes the league lost some good clubs and players but it is because of the unknown not because of the league. The clubs that are there have a good reputation and that will help grow the league. When ECNL started out I am sure many of us said they would not survive but look at them now, same as SCCL. people that are putting down a league before their first game or even practice don't need a response. they are actually worried about how good this league can actually become. |
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Post by 04gparent on Jun 17, 2020 15:22:02 GMT -5
STEPPING ON SOAP BOX
I can not believe the forum is taking the poison cheese. When DA was alive the forum had league debates (ECNL vs DA) that raged and raged. I had hoped that when DA went away those pointless debates would go away. SIGH. So now someone (probably a troll) can put a topic out that is stoking the debates all over again. I think there are fake TH parents on the forum having fun at everyone's expense. I know lots of TH parents. NONE OF THEM are discussing GA vs ECNL. They stayed for various reasons... NONE of which was GA will be better than ECNL.
Please stop the madness!
STEPPING OFF SOAP BOX
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 17, 2020 15:32:50 GMT -5
STEPPING ON SOAP BOX I can not believe the forum is taking the poison cheese. When DA was alive the forum had league debates (ECNL vs DA) that raged and raged. I had hoped that when DA went away those pointless debates would go away. SIGH. So now someone (probably a troll) can put a topic out that is stoking the debates all over again. I think there are fake TH parents on the forum having fun at everyone's expense. I know lots of TH parents. NONE OF THEM are discussing GA vs ECNL. They stayed for various reasons... NONE of which was GA will be better than ECNL. Please stop the madness! STEPPING OFF SOAP BOX There will always be debates about league quality. I don't know of many people thinking that GA will be better, but I know some think it will be the same or has other things to recommend it that maybe isn't there for ECNL in their area. People actually debate NL vs ECNL so why would you think that GA vs ECNL would not be a discussion? I do think that trashing a league before it has started is just trash talk. We saw the same thing with SCCL and while that has gotten quieter with time it hasn't gone away either. GA will be a quality league with many quality clubs in it. The top teams will be as good as the top ECNL teams I just think the depth won't be as good. Lest we forget there are many people on the forum that trash many of the bottom ECNL clubs as well so it isn't like there aren't ECNL clubs that are subpar. |
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Post by liverpoolfc on Jun 17, 2020 15:36:09 GMT -5
STEPPING ON SOAP BOX I can not believe the forum is taking the poison cheese. When DA was alive the forum had league debates (ECNL vs DA) that raged and raged. I had hoped that when DA went away those pointless debates would go away. SIGH. So now someone (probably a troll) can put a topic out that is stoking the debates all over again. I think there are fake TH parents on the forum having fun at everyone's expense. I know lots of TH parents. NONE OF THEM are discussing GA vs ECNL. They stayed for various reasons... NONE of which was GA will be better than ECNL. Please stop the madness! STEPPING OFF SOAP BOX There will always be debates about league quality. I don't know of many people thinking that GA will be better, but I know some think it will be the same or has other things to recommend it that maybe isn't there for ECNL in their area. People actually debate NL vs ECNL so why would you think that GA vs ECNL would not be a discussion? I do think that trashing a league before it has started is just trash talk. We saw the same thing with SCCL and while that has gotten quieter with time it hasn't gone away either. GA will be a quality league with many quality clubs in it. The top teams will be as good as the top ECNL teams I just think the depth won't be as good. Lest we forget there are many people on the forum that trash many of the bottom ECNL clubs as well so it isn't like there aren't ECNL clubs that are subpar. well said!! |
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Post by BubbleDad on Jun 17, 2020 17:12:33 GMT -5
The 2023 grad was the '06s goalie the last couple of years? Yep, came in with her former CF North teammates a few years ago during Hunger Games tryouts . Greak kid, very talented. You ain't lying about that Hunger Games tryout. Folks crying ... only 1 Metro North chica taken on ECNL team. It was a serious disruption. |
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Post by soccerparent02 on Jun 17, 2020 18:55:25 GMT -5
There's no debate that ECNL is levels above NL. I will also say teams in Georgia on the whole are much better than those in the midwest. That can partly be attributed to them having such a long cold season where they cant play. The same is true for baseball, softball, golf etc.
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Post by soccer55 on Jun 17, 2020 23:36:37 GMT -5
There's no debate that ECNL is levels above NL. I will also say teams in Georgia on the whole are much better than those in the midwest. That can partly be attributed to them having such a long cold season where they cant play. The same is true for baseball, softball, golf etc. Soccer isn’t that far different in the Midwest because there are a lot of indoor facilities. Not so much for baseball and softball. You would be surprised. ECNL and GA are much better than NL for sure, but that’s just due to the migration of talent to to combine, not really due to the clubs being better or worse. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jun 18, 2020 0:55:28 GMT -5
Some ridiculous posts by some NTH posters make me think NTH should never be allowed back into ECNL, then some reasonable posts by other NTH posters make me think they should get a spot next year. It's like being in a discussion with sidewalk 'alums' from the college from the state which borders Georgia to one side.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 18, 2020 8:12:19 GMT -5
Some ridiculous posts by some NTH posters make me think NTH should never be allowed back into ECNL, then some reasonable posts by other NTH posters make me think they should get a spot next year. It's like being in a discussion with sidewalk 'alums' from the college from the state which borders Georgia to one side. So how can you justify not letting an entire club back into a league due to the posts of a few parents? What do the parents have to do with it anyway? As one of the people who has preached "it's about the kids" you expose yourself as someone who really cares about the rivalries and feuds. SMH |
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Post by olderthandirt on Jun 18, 2020 10:13:15 GMT -5
“So how can you justify not letting an entire club back into a league due to the posts of a few parents? What do the parents have to do with it anyway? As one of the people who has preached "it's about the kids" you expose yourself as someone who really cares about the rivalries and feuds.”
You preach that it’s about the kids, and probably a great majority here agree that it should be about the kids. Unfortunately, it almost never really is about the kids - it’s about transferring money from the parents’ accounts to the clubs’ accounts to the directors’ and coaches’ accounts. And the only way to do that is to make the parents want to write the checks.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jun 18, 2020 12:06:12 GMT -5
Considering I don't make decisions about these things and this is a board for speculation and discussion, no harm in saying that.
Those parents are a direct reflection of the reason the club wasn't let back into that league.
I was making a pointed jab that the hubris of some makes those people very annoying to deal with and that as an opposing parent you don't want to deal with them. Thanks for 04gparent who makes it seem like there are some rational NTH parents out there. The kind I like to see on the other end of the sideline and will chat with before/after games. As for being about the kids, if that was the case, there would be just a few big clubs in the city, likely all run by the YMCA. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 18, 2020 12:47:21 GMT -5
Considering I don't make decisions about these things and this is a board for speculation and discussion, no harm in saying that.
Those parents are a direct reflection of the reason the club wasn't let back into that league.
I was making a pointed jab that the hubris of some makes those people very annoying to deal with and that as an opposing parent you don't want to deal with them. Thanks for 04gparent who makes it seem like there are some rational NTH parents out there. The kind I like to see on the other end of the sideline and will chat with before/after games. As for being about the kids, if that was the case, there would be just a few big clubs in the city, likely all run by the YMCA. The harm in saying things like this is in the continued attack/defend that comments like this stir up for people. There are many "rational" NTH parents and many irrational ones, just like every other club. Many clubs have parents with "hubris." I have seen it from all clubs. In fact some of the parents that I most dislike on this forum were or are from my own kids' club for the last 4 years. They have hubris to spare. There are also plenty of parents on my sideline that I dislike more than some of the NTH parents that I have met! Besides a rational statement about NTH and GA would be that NTH will remain a very strong club though they have lost some of their top players (they have kept many top players as well). GA will be a strong league that will attract college coaches to its showcases, but likely not as many as ECNL. There are many strong former DA clubs that remain in GA especially in Northeast, Mid-Atlantic and Mid America conferences. I am sure that NTH badly wanted to get into ECNL, but that does not mean that GA will be very inferior. It is reasonable and expected for the club to advertise GA as a "top" league. I could go on. These are all rational statements. |
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Post by guest on Jun 18, 2020 13:14:48 GMT -5
How about this statement: #tophatshoes
Sorry, I must have set my Schadenfreude all the way up...
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 18, 2020 13:17:40 GMT -5
There's no debate that ECNL is levels above NL. I will also say teams in Georgia on the whole are much better than those in the midwest. That can partly be attributed to them having such a long cold season where they cant play. The same is true for baseball, softball, golf etc. I won't debate that ECNL as a league is better than NL as a league. I just stated that some debate it. I would not necessarily agree with the Georgia clubs better than Midwest clubs. When you say "on the whole" are you just talking about the ECNL clubs or do you mean all of the clubs (NPL/NL/GA/SCCL), meaning the depth is better? Or were you saying that the top clubs here are better than the top clubs there? The midwest clubs send a lot of players to great D1 schools. I don't think the midwest is weak at the top. They may not have the depth that Georgia does. I am not sure about that. I agree with soccer55 that they train indoors a lot there and generally spend as many months at it as we do. At least that is what we have heard from people that live there. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 18, 2020 13:19:05 GMT -5
How about this statement: #tophatshoes Sorry, I must have set my Schadenfreude all the way up... My spouse has started using this statement. Every time a Land Rover drives by with an NTH sticker...what shoes are they wearing becomes the question. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jun 18, 2020 13:30:53 GMT -5
Whats the background on #tophatshoes ?
Was it the poster who mentioned an NTH parent with fine Italian shoes?
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Post by mistergrinch on Jun 18, 2020 13:54:36 GMT -5
Whats the background on #tophatshoes ? Was it the poster who mentioned an NTH parent with fine Italian shoes? That's the one.
I just find it funny that GA is so looked down upon when it's almost entirely made up of teams from DA that were considered 'among the best' just 3 months ago... oh, and they haven't played a game yet.
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Post by soccer55 on Jun 18, 2020 15:54:47 GMT -5
Whats the background on #tophatshoes ? Was it the poster who mentioned an NTH parent with fine Italian shoes? That's the one.
I just find it funny that GA is so looked down upon when it's almost entirely made up of teams from DA that were considered 'among the best' just 3 months ago... oh, and they haven't played a game yet.
Totally agree. Parts of the country are really excited about the GA, some aren't but I think you can't go wrong with ECNL or GA with the quality clubs in both. |
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Post by collegesoccer on Jun 18, 2020 17:23:35 GMT -5
Considering I don't make decisions about these things and this is a board for speculation and discussion, no harm in saying that.
Those parents are a direct reflection of the reason the club wasn't let back into that league.
I was making a pointed jab that the hubris of some makes those people very annoying to deal with and that as an opposing parent you don't want to deal with them. Thanks for 04gparent who makes it seem like there are some rational NTH parents out there. The kind I like to see on the other end of the sideline and will chat with before/after games. As for being about the kids, if that was the case, there would be just a few big clubs in the city, likely all run by the YMCA. I’ve never seen a rec referee with such strong opinions. 😏 |
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Post by liverpoolfc on Jun 18, 2020 20:05:54 GMT -5
the same people who don't want TH in ECNL are the same flocks that wants to play NTH. " Why can't we just play local clubs" same people complaining about TH recruitment methods and TH do not develop players, TH this, TH that... same people/clubs receive couple of players from TH this summer and then complain their daughters got push down or ignore...like just take a break pls
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Post by justadad on Jun 18, 2020 21:30:50 GMT -5
So they finally ponied up some money to pay for and keep their website stable. They've quietly been dealing with all kinds of issues including a takeover of their website that necessitated a take down and on another occasion, returning it to the base WordPress profile backup. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't some of the former GDA teams opt to go with ECRL in lieu of GAL as their top teams out west? Specifically within the Southeast, what would happen to that division if TH were to leave? With that said, my question is this - Should any of these teams in the GAL be offered a spot in ECNL, would they drop everything, rip off their GAL Patches, duct tape on their new ECNL patches and zoom off to the ECNL or would they stay put in the best league in the country(TG's words)? Asking for a friend 🤭🙂🤭 Beach and Legends top teams are in GAL, not ECRL. |
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Post by justadad on Jun 18, 2020 21:38:10 GMT -5
Considering I don't make decisions about these things and this is a board for speculation and discussion, no harm in saying that.
Those parents are a direct reflection of the reason the club wasn't let back into that league.
I was making a pointed jab that the hubris of some makes those people very annoying to deal with and that as an opposing parent you don't want to deal with them. Thanks for 04gparent who makes it seem like there are some rational NTH parents out there. The kind I like to see on the other end of the sideline and will chat with before/after games. As for being about the kids, if that was the case, there would be just a few big clubs in the city, likely all run by the YMCA. The harm in saying things like this is in the continued attack/defend that comments like this stir up for people. There are many "rational" NTH parents and many irrational ones, just like every other club. Many clubs have parents with "hubris." I have seen it from all clubs. In fact some of the parents that I most dislike on this forum were or are from my own kids' club for the last 4 years. They have hubris to spare. There are also plenty of parents on my sideline that I dislike more than some of the NTH parents that I have met! Besides a rational statement about NTH and GA would be that NTH will remain a very strong club though they have lost some of their top players (they have kept many top players as well). GA will be a strong league that will attract college coaches to its showcases, but likely not as many as ECNL. There are many strong former DA clubs that remain in GA especially in Northeast, Mid-Atlantic and Mid America conferences. I am sure that NTH badly wanted to get into ECNL, but that does not mean that GA will be very inferior. It is reasonable and expected for the club to advertise GA as a "top" league. I could go on. These are all rational statements. I take it atlfutboldad that you are the most level headed soccer parent to ever have a kid(s) play soccer since you are the expert on whether other parents are rational or not. Get over yourself. It will be a pleasure to see when ECNL goes to a tiered league (will have to given that there is over 100 teams) and which GA teams have earned their way to the top tier. My guess, only CF. |
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Post by westcoast on Jun 18, 2020 22:42:03 GMT -5
So they finally ponied up some money to pay for and keep their website stable. They've quietly been dealing with all kinds of issues including a takeover of their website that necessitated a take down and on another occasion, returning it to the base WordPress profile backup. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't some of the former GDA teams opt to go with ECRL in lieu of GAL as their top teams out west? Specifically within the Southeast, what would happen to that division if TH were to leave? With that said, my question is this - Should any of these teams in the GAL be offered a spot in ECNL, would they drop everything, rip off their GAL Patches, duct tape on their new ECNL patches and zoom off to the ECNL or would they stay put in the best league in the country(TG's words)? Asking for a friend 🤭🙂🤭 Beach and Legends top teams are in GAL, not ECRL. No, they're not. Beach and Legends announced to their membership that their top teams will be playing in ECRL and will try to play their way into ECNL the following year. See the SoCal board. www.socalsoccer.com/threads/new-ecnl-chat.18902/page-4#post-326737 |
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. Greak kid, very talented. 
