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Post by cantgetright on Aug 27, 2020 15:23:50 GMT -5
I am white...17 years old on the Garden State Parkway, pulled over at 11:00pm. State Trooper says he is searching my car. Puts me and my buddy in the back and searches. Tell us go get back in my car. Comes back a minute later and tells me something is wrong because he did not find any drugs. Pulls us out and searches again. Finds nothing and sends us on our way. I did not have a record. 18 years old my cousin gets in a wreck with a cops daughter. She said he is racing a camaro and says it was me. Her dad pulled me over 2 days later, pulls me out of my car, pulls me to the back of my car and asked me if I just grabbed for his gun, I'm like what, and he is telling me to touch his gun. It didn't occur to me at that time why he was asking me that. Just saying, there are some bad cops out there, but a whole lot more that are protecting everyone from the crazies. By the way it was not me racing, I was at work.
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Post by justwatching on Aug 27, 2020 15:43:23 GMT -5
I am white...17 years old on the Garden State Parkway, pulled over at 11:00pm. State Trooper says he is searching my car. Puts me and my buddy in the back and searches. Tell us go get back in my car. Comes back a minute later and tells me something is wrong because he did not find any drugs. Pulls us out and searches again. Finds nothing and sends us on our way. I did not have a record. 18 years old my cousin gets in a wreck with a cops daughter. She said he is racing a camaro and says it was me. Her dad pulled me over 2 days later, pulls me out of my car, pulls me to the back of my car and asked me if I just grabbed for his gun, I'm like what, and he is telling me to touch his gun. It didn't occur to me at that time why he was asking me that. Just saying, there are some bad cops out there, but a whole lot more that are protecting everyone from the crazies. By the way it was not me racing, I was at work. So the situation with the cops daughter doesn't sound relevant... And I am not trying to discuss who has the worse stories to tell. I honestly don't know if you are just trolling or really think you are speaking truth in your responses. But I am curious with you saying you do not believe in systematic racism. I would like to know why you think it ended after the 40s and 50s like you mentioned earlier? What makes you think things are on equal playing grounds? In my point of view that sounds so ridiculous but I guess there is something in your mind which tells you otherwise and I clearly don't see what you can possibly be looking at. |
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Post by cantgetright on Aug 27, 2020 15:48:27 GMT -5
I did not say it was 40's said 50's. Go re-read the post padawan.
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Post by cantgetright on Aug 27, 2020 15:49:11 GMT -5
Certainly not trolling, but giving you my experiences as a young fellow running into bad police.
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Post by cantgetright on Aug 27, 2020 15:51:18 GMT -5
Quite frankly getting pulled over by a policeman wanting me to grab for his gun is quite relevant when talking about bad police.
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Post by justwatching on Aug 27, 2020 15:51:19 GMT -5
I did not say it was 40's said 50's. Go re-read the post padawan. So correct the dates to whenever you said that is insignificant. What makes you think it doesn't exist in 2020? |
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Post by justwatching on Aug 27, 2020 15:54:46 GMT -5
Quite frankly getting pulled over by a policeman wanting me to grab for his gun is quite relevant when talking about bad police. maybe seems like a stretch for this conversation seems more like bad parenting from a man who thought you did something stupid with his daughter being involved...but anyways please answer the other question about the end to systemic racism |
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Post by soccergurl on Aug 27, 2020 15:55:53 GMT -5
I am white...17 years old on the Garden State Parkway, pulled over at 11:00pm. State Trooper says he is searching my car. Puts me and my buddy in the back and searches. Tell us go get back in my car. Comes back a minute later and tells me something is wrong because he did not find any drugs. Pulls us out and searches again. Finds nothing and sends us on our way. I did not have a record. 18 years old my cousin gets in a wreck with a cops daughter. She said he is racing a camaro and says it was me. Her dad pulled me over 2 days later, pulls me out of my car, pulls me to the back of my car and asked me if I just grabbed for his gun, I'm like what, and he is telling me to touch his gun. It didn't occur to me at that time why he was asking me that. Just saying, there are some bad cops out there, but a whole lot more that are protecting everyone from the crazies. By the way it was not me racing, I was at work. NJ must have been under the control of a democratic governor maybe a democratic mayor too |
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Post by ball2futbol on Aug 27, 2020 16:04:59 GMT -5
Inmionin Due Process cant trigger if Mr Blake refuses to subject himself to due process. He refused. They followed the universal escalation of force policy — verbal, soft hands, hands on, taser, warning of deadly force, shoot. I I think these cops need karate training to incapacitate w out injuring somehow. Also, I would estimate that almost every police department in the US has insurance. The main exceptions are very large ones like Atlanta which may self insure. Having or not having insurance is immaterial to a cop on the street. Prison is their deterrent. agreed but rules of engagement do come into place once that force needs to be applied, those rules even apply to the military during actual combat! I am sure police departments have insurance, paid by that's right, us. My proposition is for those policies be applied to the officers individually and most importantly paid out through the departments pensions. Yes, the threat of prison is their deterrent, but accountability can be enforced monetarily, financially from within. Let a bad cop's actions affect the livelihood of others and see how quickly they're weeded out. |
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Post by cantgetright on Aug 27, 2020 16:07:07 GMT -5
I would say it depends on what part of the country you live in.
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Post by Respect on Aug 27, 2020 16:28:59 GMT -5
Sorry, I strongly disagree. Athletes should not be able to protest at their "job". If I did, I would be fired and I am sure that would happen to most if not all of us non-athletes. If they want to protest, they should do it on their own time and their own dime. The difference here is that some people/groups have a platform they can use to stand for social issues. They are blessed with access to a large audience and by their integral position in their organization (NBA) can effectively drive change without the challenge or fears an ordinary person would have. In this case they also risked loss of income, which gives more credence to their beliefs. Whether or not you agreed with their view, we should applaud their courage to take a stance in a peaceful yet powerful way. I do hope some fans take the time to learn more about these social issues, find means of healing and reconciliation, and help us all move forward. |
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Post by cantgetright on Aug 27, 2020 17:48:10 GMT -5
The athletes get credit for taking a stand and putting their jobs in jeopardy, I just don't agree with it being done at work.
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Post by Respect on Aug 27, 2020 18:06:23 GMT -5
The athletes get credit for taking a stand and putting their jobs in jeopardy, I just don't agree with it being done at work. Perhaps it was the right time when they found an audience to talk to. Those in Milwaukee and nation-wide who were ready and anxious to tune to Game 5. Perhaps to make people reflect on issues affecting the society at large which btw has also an implication in the liberties of others, including that of playing or watching a sports game. Would we and others be discussing this if they had done it early the following morning? |
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 27, 2020 19:32:55 GMT -5
How do you know that the office wins that fight? That is what it is at that point correct? They tried to tase the guy. Should the officer now put his life on the line and fight the guy and risk getting stabbed, he said he had a knife, or worse the guy gets the officers gun and kills him? How about just comply? Listen to what they are telling you to do. Why is that so hard? Don't say because when people do they get killed. Yeah maybe a couple of people a year do at the hands of bad cops, but that scenario is so few and far between. When you look at the amount of police interactions across the country vs how many people were killed by bad cops, you would see. This narrative is not put out there because the media does not want it there. There is a combined effort to tear this country apart. Yes it’s the cops job to risk their life. That’s their job. They don’t get the right to shoot an innocent man (yes he is innocent because it’s innocent until proven guilty or its suppose to be in the USA). Cops need to be trained and need to learn how to do their jobs without relying on murdering innocent people because they get scarred. It’s funny how nearly every other First World country can do that and expect more from their police yet here the in US it’s shoot first and deal with later. If you're curious how it got like this. Look up Dave Grossman and his warrior cop training titled 'killology'. Yes really. |
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Post by soccerloafer on Aug 27, 2020 19:39:28 GMT -5
"They don’t get the right to shoot an innocent man "
Once you embark on violence against a police officer you are no longer an innocent man.
Bang bang. Next.
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Post by footyfan on Aug 27, 2020 21:05:55 GMT -5
I am hearing some of these stories and I have similar but I think to myself thank God I was/am white and maybe that's the difference between me and other white people who seem to think their stories are somehow equivalent to corrupt authority stories of POC. "Remember that time that cop/teacher/coach/parent had it in for me and I just said yessir..." What if it happened ALL THE TIME. Like multiple times a year for no reason during your entire life. I'd get fed up too. Im not sure yet the full story with Jacob Blake, but athletes striking or kneeling with their fist in the air seems an awfully peaceful and meaningful way to protest it. I certainly can't imagine that some folks who put this much time into complaining about the player protests would put up with an actual reason to complain.
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Post by ball2futbol on Aug 27, 2020 21:21:17 GMT -5
Well said... and more of us should be saying it.
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Post by Respect on Aug 27, 2020 21:32:15 GMT -5
"They don’t get the right to shoot an innocent man " Once you embark on violence against a police officer you are no longer an innocent man. Bang bang. Next. and who embarked on violence first? or who felt his life was threaten first? or does helping in a family feud need to end up in this level of violence? is this best we can do as humans? can we do better? can we serve and protect without resorting to violence? how can we get citizens to respect authority? with violence? what if we are all wrong. we want to be judge, jury, and executioner. Someone with full power to judge and punish others unilaterally. If so, we better be well educated, virtuous, and temperance in all things, besides knowing how to shoot a gun. Peace. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Aug 27, 2020 21:42:52 GMT -5
"They don’t get the right to shoot an innocent man " Once you embark on violence against a police officer you are no longer an innocent man. Bang bang. Next. I have to say, we were all having an orderly, civil and I daresay great opportunity to debate and learn from each other. So far there has been no name calling and we've all been respectful of each other and our collective rights to disagree and not be disagreeable. Then, here you come with the bang bang, next comment. In light of real lives being taken way too soon, I personally think it's insensitive and brings no earthly addition to the conversation. Are you not the one that started the original thread that ultimately got usurped with divisiveness, name calling and vitriol? If you can't add anything worthy or positive, much like we say here, please move on or better yet leave... |
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Post by soccerloafer on Aug 28, 2020 6:32:46 GMT -5
"They don’t get the right to shoot an innocent man " Once you embark on violence against a police officer you are no longer an innocent man. Bang bang. Next. I have to say, we were all having an orderly, civil and I daresay great opportunity to debate and learn from each other. So far there has been no name calling and we've all been respectful of each other and our collective rights to disagree and not be disagreeable. Then, here you come with the bang bang, next comment. In light of real lives being taken way too soon, I personally think it's insensitive and brings no earthly addition to the conversation. Are you not the one that started the original thread that ultimately got usurped with divisiveness, name calling and vitriol? If you can't add anything worthy or positive, much like we say here, please move on or better yet leave... Noted. Here's my point - most of the argument seems to focus on the police officer deescalating the situation or shooting an innocent man. Blake resisted arrest, was violent toward the officer, was armed (with a knife), and made a move (possibly going for a gun - the officer had no idea), and thus further endangered the officer. It was a split second decision of life or death. Many on here make it seem like the police are randomly (or systematically) hunting down and killing innocent black men. This is far from the case. These are interactions, between criminals and law enforcement, where the criminals make a choice to not comply and threaten the officers with physical violence. What outcome do they expect? |
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Post by ball2futbol on Aug 28, 2020 6:50:03 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 28, 2020 7:31:28 GMT -5
I have to say, we were all having an orderly, civil and I daresay great opportunity to debate and learn from each other. So far there has been no name calling and we've all been respectful of each other and our collective rights to disagree and not be disagreeable. Then, here you come with the bang bang, next comment. In light of real lives being taken way too soon, I personally think it's insensitive and brings no earthly addition to the conversation. Are you not the one that started the original thread that ultimately got usurped with divisiveness, name calling and vitriol? If you can't add anything worthy or positive, much like we say here, please move on or better yet leave... Noted. Here's my point - most of the argument seems to focus on the police officer deescalating the situation or shooting an innocent man. Blake resisted arrest, was violent toward the officer, was armed (with a knife), and made a move (possibly going for a gun - the officer had no idea), and thus further endangered the officer. It was a split second decision of life or death. Many on here make it seem like the police are randomly (or systematically) hunting down and killing innocent black men. This is far from the case. These are interactions, between criminals and law enforcement, where the criminals make a choice to not comply and threaten the officers with physical violence. What outcome do they expect? Not death or paralysis and missing internal organs. Look there are differences between types of criminals. This is not a guy going on a murdering rampage and then resisting arrest. This is not Ted Bundy already having killed dozens of people. Hypothetical question: your kid gets into trouble shoplifting at the mall and cops come and your kid runs and then tries to escape when the cops grab him. Is it ok to shoot? He is a criminal and resisting arrest. He has on baggy pants and reaches for his pocket or better yet gets to his car and reaches inside? |
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Post by cantgetright on Aug 28, 2020 8:09:28 GMT -5
Hypothetical answer is that my son would not be shoplifting. Hypothetical second answer is that he would not be running from the police.
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Post by cantgetright on Aug 28, 2020 8:12:20 GMT -5
That person deserved to be shot as he put the policemans life as well as bystanders life in jeopardy. |
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Post by soccergurl on Aug 28, 2020 8:29:12 GMT -5
I have to say, we were all having an orderly, civil and I daresay great opportunity to debate and learn from each other. So far there has been no name calling and we've all been respectful of each other and our collective rights to disagree and not be disagreeable. Then, here you come with the bang bang, next comment. In light of real lives being taken way too soon, I personally think it's insensitive and brings no earthly addition to the conversation. Are you not the one that started the original thread that ultimately got usurped with divisiveness, name calling and vitriol? If you can't add anything worthy or positive, much like we say here, please move on or better yet leave... Noted. Here's my point - most of the argument seems to focus on the police officer deescalating the situation or shooting an innocent man. Blake resisted arrest, was violent toward the officer, was armed (with a knife), and made a move (possibly going for a gun - the officer had no idea), and thus further endangered the officer. It was a split second decision of life or death. Many on here make it seem like the police are randomly (or systematically) hunting down and killing innocent black men. This is far from the case. These are interactions, between criminals and law enforcement, where the criminals make a choice to not comply and threaten the officers with physical violence. What outcome do they expect? break law = justice system intervenes = jury/judge decide = guilty then you are a criminal convicted of a crime [reminder: innocent until guilty] by your logic all serial killers|mass shooters|wife beaters|shop lifters|jay walkers|red-light runners - if you do not listen to the almighty police all rights lost to life(Blake was walking away, was no threat) |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Aug 28, 2020 8:32:52 GMT -5
Hypothetical answer is that my son would not be shoplifting. Hypothetical second answer is that he would not be running from the police. At this point in time and with that hypothetical statement regarding your perfect son, there is clearly no need to continue this conversation/debate/argument. I truly do pray your child no matter the age does not ever have to find out the results of this hypothetical question. Wishing you well...🙏🙏🙏 |
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Post by soccergurl on Aug 28, 2020 8:36:15 GMT -5
That person deserved to be shot as he put the policemans life as well as bystanders life in jeopardy. but he got a chance to stand up in court and not lay in the morgue - blake had his 8/5/3 year olds in the back seat(bystanders/bysitters) |
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Post by ball2futbol on Aug 28, 2020 9:02:40 GMT -5
That person deserved to be shot as he put the policemans life as well as bystanders life in jeopardy. That's the point... no compliance, threatens life and others, charges the police and he didn't get shot! |
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Post by cantgetright on Aug 28, 2020 9:24:16 GMT -5
People what is so hard to understand, do the right thing, if caught doing the wrong thing, man up and take your punishment. Talking about snowflakes, who is the snowflake when they do the wrong thing and are afraid of the consequences. My son is not perfect, but he has been raised better than to steal and run away from cops. Did you raise your kids to steal? Did you raise your kids to not accept consequences? What is wrong with you people. I am done in this conversation. Nothing can be gained trying to talk some sense into all of you snowflakes.
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Post by Respect on Aug 28, 2020 9:40:40 GMT -5
Hypothetical answer is that my son would not be shoplifting. Hypothetical second answer is that he would not be running from the police. At this point in time and with that hypothetical statement regarding your perfect son, there is clearly no need to continue this conversation/debate/argument. I truly do pray your child no matter the age does not ever have to find out the results of this hypothetical question. Wishing you well...🙏🙏🙏 Because it is an hypothetical answer, it is a statement that it is one possibility. Son can still found shoplifting and running from the police. I pray that will never be the case. Peace. |
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