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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 7, 2020 13:52:54 GMT -5
The 2020-21 pools are simply whoever was in the 2019-20 pool who want to do it again, plus whoever asks for an evaluation and is added to the pool (unknown). No idea who the coaches are for each age group though.
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Post by soccernoleuk on Oct 7, 2020 14:45:09 GMT -5
The 2020-21 pools are simply whoever was in the 2019-20 pool who want to do it again, plus whoever asks for an evaluation and is added to the pool (unknown). No idea who the coaches are for each age group though. To add to this, any new players that have expressed interest in receiving an evaluation have not been contacted to define the process or schedule anything. Supposedly the evaluation could come at a regular training session or game with the club team, but again nothing has been communicated. |
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Post by atlutd17 on Oct 7, 2020 14:56:47 GMT -5
Anybody know, are players supposed to be scouted before getting invited to any ODP sessions? Or expressing simple interest gets you an automatic invite? And will those ODP sessions be more like tryouts to evaluate players instead of regular training? Only dates posted on the website are tryouts for 2009 next weekend.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 7, 2020 15:30:14 GMT -5
Right, that's the point, there's no additional information. People need to be able to plan. I don't understand how there isn't a coordinator handling also this and moving it forward, seems like a few hours is all it would take. I don't know why there wouldn't be a 2-hour tryout session prior to the first practice. I'm not sure they've even gotten a tally of who is returning.
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Post by atlutd17 on Oct 7, 2020 15:46:02 GMT -5
They must either not know yet or can't afford the office staff they need.
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Post by bogan on Oct 7, 2020 15:48:59 GMT -5
They must either not know yet or can't afford the office staff they need. Possibly-but I was kinda thinking they were waiting to see how many returning players registered before making the announcement. |
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Oct 7, 2020 16:46:32 GMT -5
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 7, 2020 16:46:32 GMT -5
That's always a possibility. But in my experience, if you don't give people a deadline, they won't get things done. Probably 60% wait until the last minute, then another 10% ask AFTER the last minute if its too late.
Additionally, they haven't made it clear if only the 09's and returning players need to register or whether everyone needs to in order to get an evaluation (according to the website). If they want to get people to register, set a tryout date and first practice date. It'll light a fire under people.
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Post by bogan on Oct 7, 2020 17:03:52 GMT -5
That's always a possibility. But in my experience, if you don't give people a deadline, they won't get things done. Probably 60% wait until the last minute, then another 10% ask AFTER the last minute if its too late. Additionally, they haven't made it clear if only the 09's and returning players need to register or whether everyone needs to in order to get an evaluation (according to the website). If they want to get people to register, set a tryout date and first practice date. It'll light a fire under people. True |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Oct 7, 2020 17:17:55 GMT -5
That's always a possibility. But in my experience, if you don't give people a deadline, they won't get things done. Probably 60% wait until the last minute, then another 10% ask AFTER the last minute if its too late. Additionally, they haven't made it clear if only the 09's and returning players need to register or whether everyone needs to in order to get an evaluation (according to the website). If they want to get people to register, set a tryout date and first practice date. It'll light a fire under people. I sent an email last week to the email provided. Kostas emailed me back within an hour and he told me I needed to register, so I did. Since registering I have not heard anything further. The title of the email sent to me was 2007 ODP - Invitation for Tryout Registration. Within the email was the following pertaining to our age group: For the 2004 to 2008 birth year / age groups, our Scouting team will evaluate players individually for next steps that may also include visit to player’s matches, trainings and / or even an invitation for the player to participate in an ODP training session for additional evaluation by the specific age group staff.
Our staff will coordinate the next steps for the evaluation and proper assessment…every registered player will have an opportunity to be seen and evaluated for the Georgia ODP pool.The only age group with official tryout dates is the 2009 age group. |
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Oct 7, 2020 17:26:32 GMT -5
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 7, 2020 17:26:32 GMT -5
They simply cannot attend matches/practices for potentially 400 new applicants, thats nuts, and isn't a fair shake for your $45 regiatration fee.
If there are 45+ new applicants per age group, just have the stupid tryouts and be done with it.
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Oct 7, 2020 17:29:19 GMT -5
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Post by bogan on Oct 7, 2020 17:29:19 GMT -5
They simply cannot attend matches/practices for potentially 400 new applicants, thats nuts, and isn't a fair shake for your $45 regiatration fee. If there are 45+ new applicants per age group, just have the stupid tryouts and be done with it. Yeah-I didn’t understand that email. And haven’t heard anything either since registering. |
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Oct 8, 2020 14:24:26 GMT -5
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Oct 8, 2020 14:24:26 GMT -5
So personally I feel the $45 registration is a joke without a tryout.
If you fill out the application they ask for your team and coach information. So basically the first cut will be based off your league and how strongly your coach recommends you.
What happened to letting the kids prove it on the pitch and forget any previous bias
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Post by atlutd17 on Oct 8, 2020 15:38:58 GMT -5
So personally I feel the $45 registration is a joke without a tryout. If you fill out the application they ask for your team and coach information. So basically the first cut will be based off your league and how strongly your coach recommends you. What happened to letting the kids prove it on the pitch and forget any previous bias I think they need to know where you play to scout you. They have listed scouts so that would be information they would need. Scouting while playing with your own team can be better than a tryout with players you don't know or playing out of position. If they're coming out there you can prove it on the pitch with your own team, or they wouldn't waste resources and time scouting in the dark players that aren't willing to play ODP or just don't have it. Them asking your coach should be a positive too, so I wouldn't read too much into that. College coaches do the same, also ask where you play, and some of the ODP staff are actually college coaches. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Oct 8, 2020 19:13:10 GMT -5
So personally I feel the $45 registration is a joke without a tryout. If you fill out the application they ask for your team and coach information. So basically the first cut will be based off your league and how strongly your coach recommends you. What happened to letting the kids prove it on the pitch and forget any previous bias When was that? |
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Post by 04gparent on Oct 8, 2020 19:50:01 GMT -5
So personally I feel the $45 registration is a joke without a tryout. If you fill out the application they ask for your team and coach information. So basically the first cut will be based off your league and how strongly your coach recommends you. What happened to letting the kids prove it on the pitch and forget any previous bias When was that? Bro ODP has been asking those questions and charging for tryout since the inception. It’s not new. The reason players are asked to not where any club apparel to tryouts is to not have biases. The coaches picking the players don’t typically know where they play unless they have coaches against them. These comments are based on the last 6 years prior to this year. |
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Post by cornerkick on Oct 9, 2020 7:45:08 GMT -5
I've posted before on this, but I'll do it again. ODP is what you make of it. If you think it's a path to greatness, you'll be disappointed. Extra touches, another coaching voice, meeting new players, new experiences. That's the takeaway. I played ODP for a year in the mid-80's. I learned things my club coaches didn't know to teach (this was before paid coaching). Experienced a week of Region Camp at lovely Erskine College in Due West, SC. Fun times. Didn't make the team again after one year - which was a fair assessment of my abilities at the time. One of my daughters did ODP for several years (U12 to U15 or so). She had a relatively good experience, and learned to play a different position than her normal club spot - center back v. attacking mid. This made her a better player overall. Was it political? Yes, particularly at Region Camp. Was it good for her? On the balance, yes. Enjoy the ride, it wraps up more quickly than you expect. This is the truth. In the past has definitely been political and favoritism shown to players from the "coaches clubs" rather than really trying to assess the best player for each position. |
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Post by lsagoalie on Oct 9, 2020 8:07:50 GMT -5
So, looks like the US Club coaches have been replaced in ODP, have US Club players been encouraged to not attend ODP?
From the past years we did ODP pretty much some of the top talent at Tophat or Concorde Fire were already not involved. On the girls side it was pretty much Atlanta Fire Ecnl girls and smaller clubs. Will that continue?
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Oct 9, 2020 8:43:10 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 9, 2020 8:43:10 GMT -5
So, looks like the US Club coaches have been replaced in ODP, have US Club players been encouraged to not attend ODP? From the past years we did ODP pretty much some of the top talent at Tophat or Concorde Fire were already not involved. On the girls side it was pretty much Atlanta Fire Ecnl girls and smaller clubs. Will that continue? Tophat discourages their players from ODP and has for years. UFA discourages their players from ODP but it will be interested to see if that changes with DA gone. |
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Post by cornerkick on Oct 9, 2020 8:51:49 GMT -5
So, looks like the US Club coaches have been replaced in ODP, have US Club players been encouraged to not attend ODP? From the past years we did ODP pretty much some of the top talent at Tophat or Concorde Fire were already not involved. On the girls side it was pretty much Atlanta Fire Ecnl girls and smaller clubs. Will that continue? Tophat discourages their players from ODP and has for years. UFA discourages their players from ODP but it will be interested to see if that changes with DA gone. ODP was once probably a great honor and a place for skilled players to develop higher level skills, style and pace of play, etc. But with the addition of programs such as DA, ECNL, and the quality coaching and competition that these leagues provide has diminished the advantages of ODP. Today ODP is mostly made up of players from smaller clubs and unfortunately the quality of player trying out for ODP has dropped in recent years. Not saying ODP is not a good option for many players, it can be. But don't expect it to be the best players from across the state, region, country, gathering on the pitch to develop their skills. |
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Oct 9, 2020 9:15:07 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 9, 2020 9:15:07 GMT -5
Tophat discourages their players from ODP and has for years. UFA discourages their players from ODP but it will be interested to see if that changes with DA gone. ODP was once probably a great honor and a place for skilled players to develop higher level skills, style and pace of play, etc. But with the addition of programs such as DA, ECNL, and the quality coaching and competition that these leagues provide has diminished the advantages of ODP. Today ODP is mostly made up of players from smaller clubs and unfortunately the quality of player trying out for ODP has dropped in recent years. Not saying ODP is not a good option for many players, it can be. But don't expect it to be the best players from across the state, region, country, gathering on the pitch to develop their skills. A D1 power 5 conference coach told me 3 or 4 years ago that they don't look at ODP much anymore. It is mainly about the leagues and level of play. So I agree with you. |
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Oct 9, 2020 9:52:04 GMT -5
Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 9, 2020 9:52:04 GMT -5
D1 power 5 conference...so like 60 colleges? In the grand scale those don't matter to about 99% of players who want to play in college. I'd challenge that the big 5 power conference schools don't matter (except to a select few).
If you're planning to play big college ball, you need to be in ECNL or at NTH and probably on the USNT radar.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 9, 2020 10:02:41 GMT -5
The issue is deeper than just simply Georgia. I remember about 4 years ago when I had a kid playing ODP --- for the most part all the top kids played, there were still many who didn't but the top kids from the big clubs played -- the boys were too young for DA, hence the reason. Not really my point though...
my point was more an issue with other states we would play -- they clearly didn't take ODP seriously at all. Some parents said basically any kid that showed up could play -- i.e. the standard has dropped significantly.
Now we did get some good competition at region camp, but obviously once the boys all aged up into DA - the top player pool dropped by greater than 50% for sure, probably closer to 75%.
but my point is really this -- the entire southeast has to take it seriously for it to be successful.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 9, 2020 10:15:07 GMT -5
After playing the SC, NC, FL and AL girls 06 teams last year, there were significant high-level players from those 4 states. I recognized ECNL players from AL and SC on their teams and the FL teams absolutely owned the regional tournament.
Additionally, its not like ECNL Southeast is getting the top 3-5 players from those clubs together to do anything like ODP. I seem to remember a 1-day selection camp in the Spring with one kid from nearly every SE club, which was political and not tryout-based.
In the end, some kids and families don't want to put in the extra work/effort. That's what ODP is...extra work.
Additionally, ECNL players get exposure that the medium and smaller clubs players simply do not, thats the resume-building aspect.
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Oct 9, 2020 10:47:45 GMT -5
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Post by bogan on Oct 9, 2020 10:47:45 GMT -5
It is what it is but becomes what you make it.
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Post by Keeper on Oct 9, 2020 10:56:36 GMT -5
So, looks like the US Club coaches have been replaced in ODP, have US Club players been encouraged to not attend ODP? From the past years we did ODP pretty much some of the top talent at Tophat or Concorde Fire were already not involved. On the girls side it was pretty much Atlanta Fire Ecnl girls and smaller clubs. Will that continue? Yep. Both SCCL clubs for us said they preferred players to stay away from ODP especially after Ga Soccer didn’t ask most SCCL coaches to come back. It seems to have become a pissing contest between the two organizations right now as neither one want to grow up and care about the kids and program. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 9, 2020 11:05:51 GMT -5
D1 power 5 conference...so like 60 colleges? In the grand scale those don't matter to about 99% of players who want to play in college. I'd challenge that the big 5 power conference schools don't matter (except to a select few). If you're planning to play big college ball, you need to be in ECNL or at NTH and probably on the USNT radar. I am not disagreeing that it is a small subset of players. My point was that ODP used to be where the best of the best congregated and played with each other. I still think it is valuable for a lot of players and if my younger daughter can step up a little bit more I will have her tryout next year. |
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Oct 9, 2020 11:15:36 GMT -5
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Post by baller84 on Oct 9, 2020 11:15:36 GMT -5
ODP had been stagnant last several years. It may be better this year if the changes and the fresh ideas and open mind new DOC brings in work. But as another poster said it best, at the end of the day, it is what it is and becomes what you make it.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 9, 2020 11:27:47 GMT -5
With the way youth soccer has fractured over the past 5 years due to poor direction from USSF, there will not likely be a real pyramid or pathway for top players anytime soon. All the clubs have to have THEIR say. And their needs to be a secondary pathway regardless.
The push by SCCL clubs to tell their kids not do ODP without offering an alternative is a perfect example. TBH, screw them. Your clubs don't matter. Your leagues don't matter. All that matters is the kids (and the $$$ the parents pay for their opportunity). Without the kids and parents' money...there are no clubs other than AU.
And GA ODP punishing SCCL coaches (and clubs) because they work for a club that went one way or another is another example of petty adults, just as bad as the club DoC's. GA Soccer is losing the the league war currently. Find a way to bridge the gap and be relevant.
All SCCL, NL, GPL and NPL players should be trying out for ODP if they have the interest, regardless of club affiliation. Also, GA ODP...SHOULD NOT EVEN ASK what club you're part of...just your birth certificate, tryout, and $$$.
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Oct 9, 2020 12:11:41 GMT -5
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Post by OTPSoccer on Oct 9, 2020 12:11:41 GMT -5
So, looks like the US Club coaches have been replaced in ODP, have US Club players been encouraged to not attend ODP? From the past years we did ODP pretty much some of the top talent at Tophat or Concorde Fire were already not involved. On the girls side it was pretty much Atlanta Fire Ecnl girls and smaller clubs. Will that continue? Tophat discourages their players from ODP and has for years. UFA discourages their players from ODP but it will be interested to see if that changes with DA gone. Just a suggestion... don't ask your club for permission to participate in ODP. Whether it is what it used to be, or not, it is great exposure to high quality coaches and players. I view it as supplemental training with some potential upside. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 9, 2020 12:17:42 GMT -5
Tophat discourages their players from ODP and has for years. UFA discourages their players from ODP but it will be interested to see if that changes with DA gone. Just a suggestion... don't ask your club for permission to participate in ODP. Whether it is what it used to be, or not, it is great exposure to high quality coaches and players. I view it as supplemental training with some potential upside. Oh I never asked them. This is what the club(s) say to their players unsolicited or when a kid mentions they want to tryout. UFA did encourage it at U12 years ago before DA but once they had DA they discouraged it even before the players were old enough for DA. In the past they even scheduled games during ODP tryouts to prevent the kids from trying out. I am curious to see if this changes this year, but sounds like it hasn't. (Plus there is not a tryout date like in the past so hard to compare). |
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