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Post by bogan on Jan 15, 2021 16:05:45 GMT -5
Allow me to quick recap this thread: Age Mandate Tophat (including impressive callbacks of petitions and shoes) USSoccer/USYS/GA Soccer ECNL/GA Club Soccer/High School Soccer The COST of Soccer Liquor and Lacrosse And a dash of political unrest ALL THAT'S MISSING IS ... CLUB MERGERS AND ACQUISITIONS!!!! I think that sums it up Missing anything else? LOL Did you hear the latest rumor? All of the Atlanta clubs are combining to form one super club. It will be so elite that they will only play inhouse games. 😆 |
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Post by Keeper on Jan 15, 2021 20:34:36 GMT -5
Allow me to quick recap this thread: Age Mandate Tophat (including impressive callbacks of petitions and shoes) USSoccer/USYS/GA Soccer ECNL/GA Club Soccer/High School Soccer The COST of Soccer Liquor and Lacrosse And a dash of political unrest ALL THAT'S MISSING IS ... CLUB MERGERS AND ACQUISITIONS!!!! I think that sums it up Missing anything else? LOL Did you hear the latest rumor? All of the Atlanta clubs are combining to form one super club. It will be so elite that they will only play inhouse games. Will they also require monthly trips out of state for “better” competition? |
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Post by guest on Jan 17, 2021 10:13:07 GMT -5
Perfect -- new age group mandate will lead to more bourbon drinking. the site will switch over in 24 hours. Bourbon? Seriously? What are we lacrosse parents now? I have been at a LAX summer tournament where one of the parents was handing out bloody marys. Hoo boy! |
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Post by Keeper on Jan 17, 2021 10:35:45 GMT -5
Bourbon? Seriously? What are we lacrosse parents now? I have been at a LAX summer tournament where one of the parents was handing out bloody marys. Hoo boy! Sharing is caring! Anyone around old enough to remember always having mimosas on Mother’s Day during Academy Cup weekend? |
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Post by guest on Jan 17, 2021 10:42:41 GMT -5
Mother’s Day mimosas? Sounds like Father’s Day liquid lacrosse during summer tournaments.
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Post by rifle on Jan 17, 2021 11:11:37 GMT -5
Sounds like every club soccer game day if I’m honest. What do you think is in the Yeti and Starbucks cups?
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jan 19, 2021 12:00:17 GMT -5
It is my drink of choice. I was in a store last night that had weller 12 -- the catch you had to spend $100 there to buy it for $200.....no thanks from me. But another guy was there -- bought a bottle of Woodford Reserve Very rare for $150 (not a bad price) and then also the Weller 12 for $200. I was like damn, dudes a playa and just dropped with tax $375. I still have 2 bottles unopened and 1 bottle half empty of Weller 12 I hoarded when it was in the $30-70 range because I knew I would never see it again at a price under $100-300 soon and I was right. I also got 2 of Elmer T. Lee that can't be found anymore either. Its a shame all my go to bourbons are scarce and overpriced now. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 19, 2021 16:57:21 GMT -5
I was in a store last night that had weller 12 -- the catch you had to spend $100 there to buy it for $200.....no thanks from me. But another guy was there -- bought a bottle of Woodford Reserve Very rare for $150 (not a bad price) and then also the Weller 12 for $200. I was like damn, dudes a playa and just dropped with tax $375. I still have 2 bottles unopened and 1 bottle half empty of Weller 12 I hoarded when it was in the $30-70 range because I knew I would never see it again at a price under $100-300 soon and I was right. I also got 2 of Elmer T. Lee that can't be found anymore either. Its a shame all my go to bourbons are scarce and overpriced now. It sucks that is for sure. It's only going to get worse over the next few years. The collectors are out in full force, guys who all they do is hunt for bourbon and some are willing to pay anything. My joke is a good liquor store could post on Instagram any random bottle of piss and say its "rare, very fine, special cask strength", and say first come first serve, and it will be gone in 5 minutes...... I bumped into a family a few weeks ago, she was asking which Whistle pig to buy for her son, i suggested a bottle, based upon taste....She said oh no, he doesn't drink them, he collects them..... |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Jan 19, 2021 17:36:53 GMT -5
Can someone share with me the Cliff Notes version surrounding the drama on this topic? School year makes way too much sense especially when it comes to 8th and 12th graders. Just want to me in the “know”. The rumors started up about a year ago and especially after the demise of DA. I think that's because US Soccer was the one pushing for the move to birth year and away from school year. I'll always be a little jaded on the topic because my U14 daughter, born in fall of 2007, started playing academy right when they made the switch to birth year. She would have benefited greatly had they stayed with school year age groups. Spring of 2022 when she's playing middle school soccer, her club teammates will be playing JV or varsity in HS. I have a U11 daughter who is a spring b-day. She obviously benefited from the birth year classification but if they switched to school year she'd be fine because she's a bigger, faster kid than her older sister was at the same age. |
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Post by mightydawg on Jan 19, 2021 17:42:14 GMT -5
Can someone share with me the Cliff Notes version surrounding the drama on this topic? School year makes way too much sense especially when it comes to 8th and 12th graders. Just want to me in the “know”. That is the great fallacy. Soccer has never been school year cutoff (September 1st to August 31st). Until about 5 years ago, soccer had a cut off year of August 1st to July 31st. In its infinite wisdom, US Soccer wanted to move everything to a calendar year so that was implemented and soccer was tossed on its head. It changed the age bias from August through December (oldest under prior system) to January through April (oldest under new system). Because it broke up a number of teams and created the gap year for 8th and 12th graders and people like for their kids to be in aged bias group, some people want to go back to some other cutoff that will once again turn soccer on its head. Now you are in the know. |
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Post by footyfan on Jan 19, 2021 17:43:33 GMT -5
Weeeee!
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Post by bogan on Jan 19, 2021 17:45:29 GMT -5
⚽️⚽️⚽️💣⚽️⚽️
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Jan 19, 2021 18:13:02 GMT -5
By the way, a director of an SCCL club told me he agrees with going back to school age groupings. He said that's part of why kids like to play any sport initially - they want to play with their friends. Younger kids don't get why their friends with fall birthdays play on older teams. His point was that you have a better chance of attracting and keeping kids if they're able to play with their friends who are in their same grade. If a kid is bigger and/or more of an advanced player and they don't care about playing with friends, they have the opportunity to play up.
At the end of the day, it doesn't make a difference what any of us thinks or wants. The decision will be made one way or the other and we'll all deal with it good or bad.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jan 20, 2021 9:11:53 GMT -5
There is no "bad" about being flexible IMO. The current system is only flexible "up", as in you can always play UP.
I know plenty of players who were U12/U13 who played up with U14, U15, U17 teams.
No teams will HAVE TO be broken up. Like playing with your birth year, keep on doing that! Being able to play DOWN with your classmates should be an option also. Its simple logic.
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Post by mightydawg on Jan 20, 2021 10:06:27 GMT -5
I understand the whole classmates thing for Rec soccer. Kids playing Rec soccer want to play with their friends. For Rec, they should not even use the "U". Have leagues based entirely on grade. K and below; 1st/2nd grade; 3rd/4th; 5th/6th; 7th/8th; etc.
For club, I think that it is a fallacy that kids play because of classmates. My kids played club soccer both before and after the age change. The vast majority of kids move to club because they have outgrown rec or their parents think they are too good for rec. Once they are in club, the clubs do not care that Johnny and Billy go to the same school. I am pretty sure that the clubs my kids play for have no idea what school my kids go to or any kid on the team for that matter. The club puts who they view as the better player on the better team. Can anyone identify a club that has more than one team at an age group that places kids on teams based on who they go to school with? Further, from the kid perspective, I have yet to see a kid turn down a spot on a higher team because they want to play with a kid from school that is on a lower team. Have you seen this happen? If this is reason that kids are playing club, shouldn't we see some evidence of it.
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Post by footyfan on Jan 20, 2021 10:16:49 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jan 20, 2021 10:41:45 GMT -5
I understand the whole classmates thing for Rec soccer. Kids playing Rec soccer want to play with their friends. For Rec, they should not even use the "U". Have leagues based entirely on grade. K and below; 1st/2nd grade; 3rd/4th; 5th/6th; 7th/8th; etc. For club, I think that it is a fallacy that kids play because of classmates. My kids played club soccer both before and after the age change. The vast majority of kids move to club because they have outgrown rec or their parents think they are too good for rec. Once they are in club, the clubs do not care that Johnny and Billy go to the same school. I am pretty sure that the clubs my kids play for have no idea what school my kids go to or any kid on the team for that matter. The club puts who they view as the better player on the better team. Can anyone identify a club that has more than one team at an age group that places kids on teams based on who they go to school with? Further, from the kid perspective, I have yet to see a kid turn down a spot on a higher team because they want to play with a kid from school that is on a lower team. Have you seen this happen? If this is reason that kids are playing club, shouldn't we see some evidence of it. I agree with this 100%. In fact on my older daughter's team of 15 players NOT ONE girl goes to school with ANY other girl on the time. 15 girls. 15 schools represented. On her team last year there were 16 girls and 10 schools represented. Maybe it matters at U8. It does matter in rec but given that there usually 2 grades represented it changes every year. Let rec go by class. I agree with that and basketball and softball do that for rec, but club should not matter.. Besides who says all of your friends are in the same grade? Even in elementary school I had friends in grades above and below me. |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Jan 20, 2021 11:50:38 GMT -5
No one is talking about older age kids in regards to playing with friends of the same grade (versus the same birth year). It's about the younger age groups (U8-U11 or so), where kids DO want to play with friends. Not all of them, obviously, but many do. As they get older, this becomes a non-issue. My oldest didn't care about playing with friends when we moved her from rec to club at U10, nor when we moved her at U12 to a new club where she literally didn't know a soul. But my younger one did care when we moved her from rec to club at U10. Based on some of the comments here, I guess I should question her motivation for playing club if that's important to her.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jan 20, 2021 13:28:56 GMT -5
No one is talking about older age kids in regards to playing with friends of the same grade (versus the same birth year). It's about the younger age groups (U8-U11 or so), where kids DO want to play with friends. Not all of them, obviously, but many do. As they get older, this becomes a non-issue. My oldest didn't care about playing with friends when we moved her from rec to club at U10, nor when we moved her at U12 to a new club where she literally didn't know a soul. But my younger one did care when we moved her from rec to club at U10. Based on some of the comments here, I guess I should question her motivation for playing club if that's important to her. If they change the birth year they will change for everyone, not just the youngest. I do not think you should question her motivation at 9 years old. Every kid is different. Both of mine made decisions at 10 years old to leave their club teams (where they had made friends) for better situations. That does not mean mine are more motivated. |
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Post by mightydawg on Jan 20, 2021 15:40:16 GMT -5
No one is talking about older age kids in regards to playing with friends of the same grade (versus the same birth year). It's about the younger age groups (U8-U11 or so), where kids DO want to play with friends. Not all of them, obviously, but many do. As they get older, this becomes a non-issue. My oldest didn't care about playing with friends when we moved her from rec to club at U10, nor when we moved her at U12 to a new club where she literally didn't know a soul. But my younger one did care when we moved her from rec to club at U10. Based on some of the comments here, I guess I should question her motivation for playing club if that's important to her. No one is questioning your kid's (or anyone else's) motivation. It is pretty typical of most kids that they want to know someone when they get started to have a familiar face in the crowd. The questions on this are pretty simple: 1. Did your kid start playing soccer at rec or a club?
2. If started at rec, was the rec team formed based on friendships?
3. When the decision was made to go to club, was the entire rec team invited to go to the club or was it just discussed with the "best" players or was it a completely individual decision not discussed with any teammates?
4. Did your kid move to club even though all of her friends from rec weren't moving to the same club?
5. When the club formed her team, did the club ask what school everyone went to?
6. Did she turn down playing on a higher team at the club so that she could play with her friends? |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jan 20, 2021 16:27:27 GMT -5
2x U12 in U17 playing keeper. Small clubs gotta do what small clubs gotta do.
But I 'm sure my kid would like to play with most of the same girls every year of high school and not get to her senior year and then have to play with a whole different group of girls. I mean, what's even the point there?
If you wanna play for the US national team or in another country, play birth year. If you're going for a college scholarship, play with grad year. Simple stuff.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jan 20, 2021 19:18:26 GMT -5
2x U12 in U17 playing keeper. Small clubs gotta do what small clubs gotta do. But I 'm sure my kid would like to play with most of the same girls every year of high school and not get to her senior year and then have to play with a whole different group of girls. I mean, what's even the point there? If you wanna play for the US national team or in another country, play birth year. If you're going for a college scholarship, play with grad year. Simple stuff. Sounds simple but how many kids want to play for the national team (here or in another country)? Lots and lots and lots. Here in the ATL we have plenty of kids who are youth national team players for USA, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Jamaica. Heck there was a former UFA goalie who went to the 2019 World Cup with Thailand! It hurt my older one for the age group switch. Went from U10 to U12. No U11 year. It helped my little one who is on the smaller side. I would hate for the little one to be on the young end. I don't want the older one to go back to the old system either. People say oh they can just stay up. Like that is no big deal. Is my kid worthy of playing on the same level team one age group up? Yes, but who know how the numbers would shake out at some really big clubs? It is not easy to go back. |
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Post by footyfan on Jan 20, 2021 20:44:16 GMT -5
Hey look a hole. With bones!
Get my shovel, let's dig.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jan 21, 2021 8:54:53 GMT -5
As I said before on this group. My high school aged son has already went through this, and because his birthday is May the change did help a bit but not as much as January-March birthdays. That being said he is one of the tallest on the team and likely would still be even if they went back now. Ultimately the change was good for him. I wouldn't want them to go back. No point in messing with stuff you just messed with just recently.
If you want to go back to 8/1-7/31 then grandfather it in for the already established teams and ages and start with the rising U8/U9 kids for the Fall of 2021 and work your way up each year till it is in all age groups. Don't force it on older groups that already had to deal with this once already, but again that makes too much sense so the powers that be won't do that.
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Post by soccernoleuk on Jan 21, 2021 9:16:26 GMT -5
If you want to go back to 8/1-7/31 then grandfather it in to the rising U8/U9 kids and work your way up till it is in all age groups. Don't force it on older groups that already had to deal with this once already, but again that makes to much sense so the powers that be won't do that. I will echo this. I would prefer they just wait about 5 years so all the kids that went through the change once don't have to deal with it again. If they make the change sooner, don't force those that already went through it once to do it again. Let them stay where they are. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 21, 2021 9:32:54 GMT -5
I've ranted for years on this topic.
It wasn't just the foolishness of the change, it was the fact that US soccer was a freaking clown shown and produced the wrong age matrix. We went almost 6 months and nobody new what age group a 2005 would be. Would they be u12s or u13s for example. Why did this matter -- it mattered for various reasons, but one example was 9v9 vs 11v11.
It was embarrassing.
The entire point was to align with what everyone else in the world was doing and they still got it wrong. If i'm not mistaken many other countries youth seasons run jan - dec vs aug - june -- hence causing confusion with each cycle.
Again -- still surprised US club switched, they should have stood their ground and said nope.
In my opinion having 2 different systems in place was a good thing for those with late birthdays.
DA/ODP did birth year
everyone else did Aug - July
Perfect -- if a kid struggles because of the RAE he/she could play in the other leagues that did it by school year and vise versa.
2 systems was good -- no child left behind
somewhere we have a thread of the embarrassment of US Soccer. Its gross.
the reality is this -- all these parties are to blame:
US Soccer
US youth soccer
MLS
US Club
State organizations
and i'm sure i'm missing other organizations.
Keep in mind as well, this change was a occurring during a time when the mls homegrown phenomenon was picking up steam in both MLS and USL.
The top kids, who they claimed they were making this switch for -- weren't even playing youth soccer past u15 any more, they were with USL and MLS sides.
I'll shut up now - the demise of state organizations really bothers me. They all had a chance to stand up and take a stand, they chose not to, but rather just wrote a letter....
Now state organizations are irrelevant.
The age mandate and the small sided mandate were a package. I guess many states weren't like georgia playing 6v6 and 8v8.
bottom line it was a shizat show
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Post by bogan on Jan 21, 2021 10:13:19 GMT -5
@soccerhouse
Breathe...😬
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jan 21, 2021 10:27:20 GMT -5
I'll shut up now - the demise of state organizations really bothers me. They all had a chance to stand up and take a stand, they chose not to, but rather just wrote a letter.... Now state organizations are irrelevant. The age mandate and the small sided mandate were a package. I guess many states weren't like georgia playing 6v6 and 8v8. bottom line it was a shizat show You mean THIS state soccer organization??? This clown show??? Very poor move from their leadership IMO. https://www.instagram.com/p/CKMcByRF0M6 |
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