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Post by dramamama on Mar 31, 2021 18:25:47 GMT -5
08 & 07 ECNL girls left without coach
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Post by soccernoleuk on Mar 31, 2021 18:55:07 GMT -5
April Fool's joke a day early?
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Mar 31, 2021 19:32:02 GMT -5
As in the coach quit, was fired, etc. today?
I know some parents on both teams. Will be interesting to get their takes.
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Post by SoccerFirst on Mar 31, 2021 19:46:06 GMT -5
These teams expressed their dissatisfaction with this coach to the directors, team meeting was had with directors last week. I heard through the grapevine that he resigned.
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Post by soccerallthetime on Mar 31, 2021 19:52:46 GMT -5
Was this SG?
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Mar 31, 2021 19:54:55 GMT -5
Has to be - he's listed as the coach for both of those teams. |
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Post by soccerallthetime on Mar 31, 2021 19:58:57 GMT -5
Figured as much. Surprising in some ways, not so much in others.
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Post by roki12 on Mar 31, 2021 20:05:20 GMT -5
These teams expressed their dissatisfaction with this coach to the directors, team meeting was had with directors last week. I heard through the grapevine that he resigned. Dissatisfaction stemming from what? Teams seemed to be doing well as far as some big wins even though they are mid table in league standings. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 31, 2021 20:13:48 GMT -5
These teams expressed their dissatisfaction with this coach to the directors, team meeting was had with directors last week. I heard through the grapevine that he resigned. Dissatisfaction stemming from what? Teams seemed to be doing well as far as some big wins even though they are mid table in league standings. Guess winning isn't everything. Is this not the team(s) that was talked about earlier in the fall about the parents not liking the coach? Guess it never got resolved. So was he fired, quit or asked to leave? If he resigned as soccerfirst stated, then IMO that does not look good for you as a coach. It got a little hot or uncomfortable and you abandon not one but two teams? I mean who quits on a bunch of kids in the middle of a season...? |
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Mar 31, 2021 20:19:12 GMT -5
SG underperformed and had not personality. This does not surprise me
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Mar 31, 2021 20:25:24 GMT -5
Dissatisfaction stemming from what? Teams seemed to be doing well as far as some big wins even though they are mid table in league standings. Guess winning isn't everything. Is this not the team(s) that was talked about earlier in the fall about the parents not liking the coach? Guess it never got resolved. So was he fired, quit or asked to leave? If he resigned as soccerfirst stated, then IMO that does not look good for you as a coach. It got a little hot or uncomfortable and you abandon not one but two teams? I mean who quits on a bunch of kids in the middle of a season...? Just a guess here, but it may have been a situation where they decided a mutual parting was best for all involved - he can spend some time figuring out his next move and it keeps the parents/kids happy so they don't go looking elsewhere. I'd be surprised if he truly just "quit" the team. |
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Post by bogan on Mar 31, 2021 20:26:21 GMT -5
“... It got a little hot or uncomfortable and you abandon not one but two teams? I mean who quits on a bunch of kids in the middle of a season...?”
I saw a coach walk off mid game...
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Post by SoccerFirst on Mar 31, 2021 20:30:39 GMT -5
Dissatisfaction stemming from what? Teams seemed to be doing well as far as some big wins even though they are mid table in league standings. Guess winning isn't everything. Is this not the team(s) that was talked about earlier in the fall about the parents not liking the coach? Guess it never got resolved. So was he fired, quit or asked to leave? If he resigned as soccerfirst stated, then IMO that does not look good for you as a coach. It got a little hot or uncomfortable and you abandon not one but two teams? I mean who quits on a bunch of kids in the middle of a season...? From my experience with AFU, they don’t often fire coaches without cause, they would rather manage people out. I saw it start back about 10 years ago... they give coaches 3rd/4th level teams in age groups where the club only has 2-3 teams so the likelihood of those teams forming at tryouts is low. They would rather be passive aggressive, demoting coaches by taking teams away from them. My best guess, complete speculation based on my experience with this club, because the teams were unhappy and had probably been told he was projected to follow these teams next season, the parents expressed they wouldn’t stick around for another year with the coach. As a result, the directors probably took the Coach off those two ECNL teams or at least 1 of them and offered him a 2nd level, SCCL-C level team. Most of these coaches have some pretty big egos and if he truly believed he had done nothing wrong and was technically being “demoted”, that might have prompted the resignation. |
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Post by SoccerFirst on Mar 31, 2021 20:37:36 GMT -5
“... It got a little hot or uncomfortable and you abandon not one but two teams? I mean who quits on a bunch of kids in the middle of a season...?” I saw a coach walk off mid game... Now, I can’t say that this is why this particular coach resigned... but if not for family or health related reasons, quitting on kids mid season says a lot about one’s character and the priorities of that particular coach. There have been many times I wanted to quit mid season bc of the leadership or lack there of, but I never did because I had made a commitment to my team. It’s our job as coaches to demonstrate the same commitment that we demand out of our players/families. Just my opinion... |
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Post by roki12 on Mar 31, 2021 20:48:11 GMT -5
Dissatisfaction stemming from what? Teams seemed to be doing well as far as some big wins even though they are mid table in league standings. Guess winning isn't everything. Is this not the team(s) that was talked about earlier in the fall about the parents not liking the coach? Guess it never got resolved. So was he fired, quit or asked to leave? If he resigned as soccerfirst stated, then IMO that does not look good for you as a coach. It got a little hot or uncomfortable and you abandon not one but two teams? I mean who quits on a bunch of kids in the middle of a season...? Agree but most times parents are upset it has to do with losing 😀 , lack of playing time or development. Not sure what else there could be. |
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Post by SoccerFirst on Mar 31, 2021 21:41:25 GMT -5
Guess winning isn't everything. Is this not the team(s) that was talked about earlier in the fall about the parents not liking the coach? Guess it never got resolved. So was he fired, quit or asked to leave? If he resigned as soccerfirst stated, then IMO that does not look good for you as a coach. It got a little hot or uncomfortable and you abandon not one but two teams? I mean who quits on a bunch of kids in the middle of a season...? Agree but most times parents are upset it has to do with losing 😀 , lack of playing time or development. Not sure what else there could be. You’d have to ask the parents on those teams, two of which are current BOD members. Again, rumors were parents weren’t pleased with development, coach would move players all around providing a lack on consistency. I heard it was more the U14 team who also had the coach at U13. If he moved up to U15 with this team that would be 3 years with the same coach, at a club that has an unwritten/unspoken policy that coaches stay with teams for no more than 2 years. If you don’t like your coach you can get through a year, if you know you’ve got another year with him, but love the team you might be able to get through a 2nd year, but I don’t know many parents that would stick around for a 3rd year, especially getting into those critical high school years. |
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Post by bogan on Apr 1, 2021 5:39:02 GMT -5
“... It got a little hot or uncomfortable and you abandon not one but two teams? I mean who quits on a bunch of kids in the middle of a season...?” I saw a coach walk off mid game... Now, I can’t say that this is why this particular coach resigned... but if not for family or health related reasons, quitting on kids mid season says a lot about one’s character and the priorities of that particular coach. There have been many times I wanted to quit mid season bc of the leadership or lack there of, but I never did because I had made a commitment to my team. It’s our job as coaches to demonstrate the same commitment that we demand out of our players/families. Just my opinion... He had some personal issues (middle of a divorce) but he should have told the rest of us-so we could cover. |
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Post by flix on Apr 1, 2021 7:34:12 GMT -5
Wow. Dude is in the middle of a divorce and parents expect him to let the parents know so you could cover? Wow.
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Post by coffee on Apr 1, 2021 7:37:27 GMT -5
He had some personal issues (middle of a divorce) but he should have told the rest of us-so we could cover. If that’s his situation I’m not going to sit here and judge this person from up in my ivory tower . . . . er, um...keyboard. There are so many valid reasons for not talking about it to others. Just to name a few, there could be children involved, litigation, or simply attempting to fix what’s not working in the marriage. IMO there are also many reasons for dropping further talk about the details of what the coach may be struggling with in this soccer forum. Who might replace him is totally fair game. |
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Post by soccergurl on Apr 1, 2021 7:39:35 GMT -5
Agree but most times parents are upset it has to do with losing 😀 , lack of playing time or development. Not sure what else there could be. You’d have to ask the parents on those teams, two of which are current BOD members. Again, rumors were parents weren’t pleased with development, coach would move players all around providing a lack on consistency. I heard it was more the U14 team who also had the coach at U13. If he moved up to U15 with this team that would be 3 years with the same coach, at a club that has an unwritten/unspoken policy that coaches stay with teams for no more than 2 years. If you don’t like your coach you can get through a year, if you know you’ve got another year with him, but love the team you might be able to get through a 2nd year, but I don’t know many parents that would stick around for a 3rd year, especially getting into those critical high school years. |coach-no vision| |coach-no backbone| |coach-no like parents| |coach-no development| |coach-think he smartest| |coach-no communication| |coach-no time management| |coach-no game management| |club no want players leaving| |
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Post by bogan on Apr 1, 2021 7:50:38 GMT -5
He had some personal issues (middle of a divorce) but he should have told the rest of us-so we could cover. If that’s his situation I’m not going to sit here and judge this person from up in my ivory tower . . . . er, um...keyboard. There are so many valid reasons for not talking about it to others. Just to name a few, there could be children involved, litigation, or simply attempting to fix what’s not working in the marriage. IMO there are also many reasons for dropping further talk about the details of what the coach may be struggling with in this soccer forum. Who might replace him is totally fair game. I agree (with the current situation at AFU). My example happened over 10 years ago-he’s over it now and remarried. My point was things happen-communication brakes down-people leave. |
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Post by mightydawg on Apr 1, 2021 8:04:38 GMT -5
Agree but most times parents are upset it has to do with losing 😀 , lack of playing time or development. Not sure what else there could be. You’d have to ask the parents on those teams, two of which are current BOD members. Again, rumors were parents weren’t pleased with development, coach would move players all around providing a lack on consistency. I heard it was more the U14 team who also had the coach at U13. If he moved up to U15 with this team that would be 3 years with the same coach, at a club that has an unwritten/unspoken policy that coaches stay with teams for no more than 2 years. If you don’t like your coach you can get through a year, if you know you’ve got another year with him, but love the team you might be able to get through a 2nd year, but I don’t know many parents that would stick around for a 3rd year, especially getting into those critical high school years. I am not a big fan of having a set rule on how long a coach can spend with a team. It is really something that should be determined on a case by case basis. Some coaches should only be with a team for 1 year because it is just not a good fit for whatever reason. Other coaches do a great job with having a team for 3 or more years. There really is no set rule. If clubs cared about their customers, starting at U11, they would send a survey to the coaches, players, and parents to get a feel for how things are working. |
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Post by bogan on Apr 1, 2021 8:10:34 GMT -5
Wow. Dude is in the middle of a divorce and parents expect him to let the parents know so you could cover? Wow. He didn’t have to say why-just let us (coaches) know something came up. Or he couldn’t do it today, etc. leaving during halftime leaving no one in charge isn’t the way to go about it. |
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Post by ball2futbol on Apr 1, 2021 9:37:39 GMT -5
You’d have to ask the parents on those teams, two of which are current BOD members. Again, rumors were parents weren’t pleased with development, coach would move players all around providing a lack on consistency. I heard it was more the U14 team who also had the coach at U13. If he moved up to U15 with this team that would be 3 years with the same coach, at a club that has an unwritten/unspoken policy that coaches stay with teams for no more than 2 years. If you don’t like your coach you can get through a year, if you know you’ve got another year with him, but love the team you might be able to get through a 2nd year, but I don’t know many parents that would stick around for a 3rd year, especially getting into those critical high school years. |coach-no vision| |coach-no backbone| |coach-no like parents| |coach-no development| |coach-think he smartest| |coach-no communication| |coach-no time management| |coach-no game management| |club no want players leaving| Sounds pretty clear to me... |
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Post by soccergurl on Apr 1, 2021 11:10:29 GMT -5
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 1, 2021 12:44:38 GMT -5
Doesn't CF have a pretty bad track record about how players are treated?
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Apr 1, 2021 12:48:11 GMT -5
Doesn't CF have a pretty bad track record about how players are treated? depends on how good you are. |
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Post by mistercalcio on Apr 1, 2021 13:06:02 GMT -5
Weren’t you with NTH last season? Not coming at you, just thought I remembered that but wasn’t sure. |
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Post by mightydawg on Apr 1, 2021 13:11:19 GMT -5
Doesn't CF have a pretty bad track record about how players are treated? depends on how good you are. I think it is more depends on what coach you have. They have some fantastic coaches and others that cause people to leave for other clubs. |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Apr 1, 2021 13:22:01 GMT -5
depends on how good you are. I think it is more depends on what coach you have. They have some fantastic coaches and others that cause people to leave for other clubs. Yes. I think both statements are true, actually. |
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