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Post by hattrick07 on Apr 1, 2021 14:02:13 GMT -5
I think it is more depends on what coach you have. They have some fantastic coaches and others that cause people to leave for other clubs. Yes. I think both statements are true, actually. CF is behaving quite similar to TH prior to losing DA and ECNL. It’s a critical time for CF right now - especially with 2 ECNL teams per age group. Right now, they should ensure they don’t lose players. As a club their focus should be to communicate clearly and transparently, choose coaches that will develop all of their players and make their team(s) a priority. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 1, 2021 14:07:01 GMT -5
Yes. I think both statements are true, actually. CF is behaving quite similar to TH prior to losing DA and ECNL. It’s a critical time for CF right now - especially with 2 ECNL teams per age group. Right now, they should ensure they don’t lose players. As a club their focus should be to communicate clearly and transparently, choose coaches that will develop all of their players and make their team(s) a priority. So do you think they are trying to develop all of their players and choosing the best coaches? Just curious. I have not heard that they are good at either of those but I have no personal experience playing at the clubs. Just have meet some that went there and weren't happy and left |
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Apr 1, 2021 14:08:44 GMT -5
Yes. I think both statements are true, actually. CF is behaving quite similar to TH prior to losing DA and ECNL. It’s a critical time for CF right now - especially with 2 ECNL teams per age group. Right now, they should ensure they don’t lose players. As a club their focus should be to communicate clearly and transparently, choose coaches that will develop all of their players and make their team(s) a priority. As someone said earlier, and I paraphrase, what the Hell are you talking about? CF is THE place to tryout now - if you don’t make the 1st team, you’re still in ECNL, if you don’t make the freaking 3rd team you’re still in ECRL! If CF doesn’t have huge tryout numbers, parents are indeed idiots. |
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Post by roki12 on Apr 1, 2021 14:08:48 GMT -5
Yes. I think both statements are true, actually. CF is behaving quite similar to TH prior to losing DA and ECNL. It’s a critical time for CF right now - especially with 2 ECNL teams per age group. Right now, they should ensure they don’t lose players. As a club their focus should be to communicate clearly and transparently, choose coaches that will develop all of their players and make their team(s) a priority. What incentive do they have? For every player that leaves, there’s another ready to replace them. It’s like that at most every club. It’s one big rotation of parents, players and coaches. |
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Post by hattrick07 on Apr 1, 2021 14:17:48 GMT -5
CF is behaving quite similar to TH prior to losing DA and ECNL. It’s a critical time for CF right now - especially with 2 ECNL teams per age group. Right now, they should ensure they don’t lose players. As a club their focus should be to communicate clearly and transparently, choose coaches that will develop all of their players and make their team(s) a priority. What incentive do they have? For every player that leaves, there’s another ready to replace them. It’s like that at most every club. It’s one big rotation of parents, players and coaches. |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Apr 1, 2021 14:25:03 GMT -5
Yes. I think both statements are true, actually. CF is behaving quite similar to TH prior to losing DA and ECNL. It’s a critical time for CF right now - especially with 2 ECNL teams per age group. Right now, they should ensure they don’t lose players. As a club their focus should be to communicate clearly and transparently, choose coaches that will develop all of their players and make their team(s) a priority. Not so sure I agree. And I say that as a former Concorde parent who still follows their teams, especially the 07 girls. While I have my issues with how Concorde operates, I'd say they're positioned to add even more kids with the latest developments (SSA giving their ECNL team back to Concorde, the ECRL emerging on the boys' side and likely on the girls' side too, etc). Yes, they will have kids leave over the utter lack of customer service displayed by the club, but for every one of those that leaves, they're replaced by someone else. |
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Post by hattrick07 on Apr 1, 2021 14:25:13 GMT -5
CF is behaving quite similar to TH prior to losing DA and ECNL. It’s a critical time for CF right now - especially with 2 ECNL teams per age group. Right now, they should ensure they don’t lose players. As a club their focus should be to communicate clearly and transparently, choose coaches that will develop all of their players and make their team(s) a priority. What incentive do they have? For every player that leaves, there’s another ready to replace them. It’s like that at most every club. It’s one big rotation of parents, players and coaches. Perhaps, you’re correct. And there is no incentive until there is. Inevitably, TH will get ECNL back and the circle jerk starts all over again. |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Apr 1, 2021 14:26:56 GMT -5
What incentive do they have? For every player that leaves, there’s another ready to replace them. It’s like that at most every club. It’s one big rotation of parents, players and coaches. Perhaps, you’re correct. And there is no incentive until there is. Inevitably, TH will get ECNL back and the circle jerk starts all over again. Exactly right - until they have an incentive to change (COUGH*money*COUGH), they won't. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" |
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Post by saintgermain on Apr 1, 2021 18:51:43 GMT -5
With all this talk won’t it be funny if Munoz takes the 07 team
I hear he has been in talks with AFU. Grass isn’t always greener. Don’t pop your bottles yet. Xoxo- SG
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Apr 1, 2021 19:11:40 GMT -5
With all this talk won’t it be funny if Munoz takes the 07 team I hear he has been in talks with AFU. Grass isn’t always greener. Don’t pop your bottles yet. Xoxo- SG Well I can tell you one parent on that 07 team who would be gone in a heartbeat if that happens. And I bet they wouldn't be the only ones once they hear about him. |
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Apr 1, 2021 20:20:35 GMT -5
If A Munoz gets the gig you will see mass exodus and the former LSA family that had to deal with him will lead the charge
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 20:23:18 GMT -5
SG has a lot to learn. He’s a young coach that’s not open to taking advice from experienced coaches or leaders.
His followers are just that.. followers.
He’s got a lot to learn about coaching, communication and leadership.
Bottom line.. he quit 2 ECNL teams. He quit on 40 players ages 12-14.
It’s time for him to take long look in the mirror to decide if that’s the kind of person/coach he’s interested in being.
I’m sure most of the parents are looking forward to the rest of the season with a coach that is committed to the players development!
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Post by soccergalife on Apr 1, 2021 21:38:25 GMT -5
I heard a similar rumor about Munoz. Wouldn’t that be a hoot! Be careful what you wish for...
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 1, 2021 22:03:11 GMT -5
SG has a lot to learn. He’s a young coach that’s not open to taking advice from experienced coaches or leaders. His followers are just that.. followers. He’s got a lot to learn about coaching, communication and leadership. Bottom line.. he quit 2 ECNL teams. He quit on 40 players ages 12-14. It’s time for him to take long look in the mirror to decide if that’s the kind of person/coach he’s interested in being. I’m sure most of the parents are looking forward to the rest of the season with a coach that is committed to the players development! I am hearing the same things as @soccerteamd and for me, it's things like he has an ego and not willing to listen to those with more experience, the inability to communicate, no vision and may need to be mentored to improve as a coach. I don't know him personally to really form an opinion but I just don't think you quit on young girls the way he did. You ride it out, ignore the noise and get to work. But it seems like we may be hearing from him soon. I hear he is currently in talks with two local clubs about getting on with them but I'm sure he will still have to figure out how to talk through the elephant in the room - Why did you quit on not one but two ECNL teams? So since this story broke, I have been reaching out to the parents and coaches I know at the club. I prayed this whole move was orchestrated by the club but alas it was not. So the DOCs got some complaints from parents on both teams. Believe it or not they did their due diligence. (I apologize for thinking otherwise). I hear leadership attended games, practices and chatted privately with parents. They even went so far as to travel to out of state tournaments to observe first hand. Finally, it was decided that they along with the coach(SG) meet with the parents of both teams. Side note - I can only imagine how tough that was to hear and I don't think they should have had SG there for the meetings. One team kept their negative comments to themselves while the other apparently did not hold back. After their observations and the meeting the leadership came up with an action plan for SG to implement, to try to regain the faith and favor of the parents and the players. He flat out refused saying he was right and everyone else was completely wrong. Nevertheless, leadership again told him to take a few days to digest what had been relayed and come up with a solution to address the issues observed and raised at the meetings. Yesterday, out of nowhere, he chose to quit. Worse yet, he caught the DOCs by surprise when he chose to quit because the DOCs were out of town (Dallas Cup in Tx) and not aware for hours he had quit. In hindsight, he may have done the AFU club a favor in disguise. I hear 6 players on one team and 8 players on the other told their parents they did NOT want to play for him next year. Plus, the got a reprieve when the current club leadership was re-voted in. He was one of the coaches on the chopping block 🙉🙈🙊 |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 1, 2021 22:08:23 GMT -5
With all this talk won’t it be funny if Munoz takes the 07 team I hear he has been in talks with AFU. Grass isn’t always greener. Don’t pop your bottles yet. Xoxo- SG Well I can tell you one parent on that 07 team who would be gone in a heartbeat if that happens. And I bet they wouldn't be the only ones once they hear about him. That would definitely be a step up for Munoz. Maybe he has grown since his early days coaching at a big club. He was always good with the younger aged teams. If he develops and wins I don't see why not. We need more good young coaches who are willing to learn and expand their skillset. Wishing him luck 🤞 |
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Post by soccergalife on Apr 1, 2021 22:28:57 GMT -5
Futsal Gawdess - you need a better source at the club because you got it completely wrong. Let’s do a better job fact checking. We don’t need to add to the drama!
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Post by soccergalife on Apr 1, 2021 22:43:18 GMT -5
I heard SG was being undermined by a parent/coach at the club. That is the bigger story... Yes, several parents complained, more one team than the other. Leadership did step in to try and resolve. SG was most certainly not on the chopping block. I heard girls have been crying since yesterday, they are truly devastated by the situation. Wish SG would have finished the season but one team made it so uncomfortable for him that he felt it was best to step down. My suggestion to both teams is to pick up the pieces and move forward...
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Post by imissmiggy on Apr 1, 2021 23:51:46 GMT -5
We are looking forward to working with Garth and Mirza. Glad SG was there for the win over undefeated AL FC.
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Post by roki12 on Apr 2, 2021 6:12:56 GMT -5
SG has a lot to learn. He’s a young coach that’s not open to taking advice from experienced coaches or leaders. His followers are just that.. followers. He’s got a lot to learn about coaching, communication and leadership. Bottom line.. he quit 2 ECNL teams. He quit on 40 players ages 12-14. It’s time for him to take long look in the mirror to decide if that’s the kind of person/coach he’s interested in being. I’m sure most of the parents are looking forward to the rest of the season with a coach that is committed to the players development! I am hearing the same things as @soccerteamd and for me, it's things like he has an ego and not willing to listen to those with more experience, the inability to communicate, no vision and may need to be mentored to improve as a coach. I don't know him personally to really form an opinion but I just don't think you quit on young girls the way he did. You ride it out, ignore the noise and get to work. But it seems like we may be hearing from him soon. I hear he is currently in talks with two local clubs about getting on with them but I'm sure he will still have to figure out how to talk through the elephant in the room - Why did you quit on not one but two ECNL teams? So since this story broke, I have been reaching out to the parents and coaches I know at the club. I prayed this whole move was orchestrated by the club but alas it was not. So the DOCs got some complaints from parents on both teams. Believe it or not they did their due diligence. (I apologize for thinking otherwise). I hear leadership attended games, practices and chatted privately with parents. They even went so far as to travel to out of state tournaments to observe first hand. Finally, it was decided that they along with the coach(SG) meet with the parents of both teams. Side note - I can only imagine how tough that was to hear and I don't think they should have had SG there for the meetings. One team kept their negative comments to themselves while the other apparently did not hold back. After their observations and the meeting the leadership came up with an action plan for SG to implement, to try to regain the faith and favor of the parents and the players. He flat out refused saying he was right and everyone else was completely wrong. Nevertheless, leadership again told him to take a few days to digest what had been relayed and come up with a solution to address the issues observed and raised at the meetings. Yesterday, out of nowhere, he chose to quit. Worse yet, he caught the DOCs by surprise when he chose to quit because the DOCs were out of town (Dallas Cup in Tx) and not aware for hours he had quit. In hindsight, he may have done the AFU club a favor in disguise. I hear 6 players on one team and 8 players on the other told their parents they did NOT want to play for him next year. Plus, the got a reprieve when the current club leadership was re-voted in. He was one of the coaches on the chopping block 🙉🙈🙊 Good for the club for doing it’s due diligence. To be honest we’ve seen coaches and players/parents do a lot worse things and nothing changes. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 2, 2021 6:39:24 GMT -5
I heard SG was being undermined by a parent/coach at the club. That is the bigger story... Yes, several parents complained, more one team than the other. Leadership did step in to try and resolve. SG was most certainly not on the chopping block. I heard girls have been crying since yesterday, they are truly devastated by the situation. Wish SG would have finished the season but one team made it so uncomfortable for him that he felt it was best to step down. My suggestion to both teams is to pick up the pieces and move forward... All stories have multiple viewpoints and sources sometimes definitely state things that may have only been being considered as being done deals. I am sorry for him that it became too uncomfortable to stay, but I think he should have stuck it out anyway. Resilience is an important characteristic to have. Sounds like he could not make it for another 6-8 weeks. He is an adult and should be able to make do for that long. It does sound like the delivery of the information may have been harshly done which is sad. Possibly the whole situation was mismanaged. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 2, 2021 9:18:27 GMT -5
Well I can tell you one parent on that 07 team who would be gone in a heartbeat if that happens. And I bet they wouldn't be the only ones once they hear about him. That would definitely be a step up for Munoz. Maybe he has grown since his early days coaching at a big club. He was always good with the younger aged teams. If he develops and wins I don't see why not. We need more good young coaches who are willing to learn and expand their skillset. Wishing him luck 🤞 Speaking of coaches for whom its "my way or the highway"... |
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Post by soccergalife on Apr 2, 2021 10:25:29 GMT -5
I heard SG was being undermined by a parent/coach at the club. That is the bigger story... Yes, several parents complained, more one team than the other. Leadership did step in to try and resolve. SG was most certainly not on the chopping block. I heard girls have been crying since yesterday, they are truly devastated by the situation. Wish SG would have finished the season but one team made it so uncomfortable for him that he felt it was best to step down. My suggestion to both teams is to pick up the pieces and move forward... All stories have multiple viewpoints and sources sometimes definitely state things that may have only been being considered as being done deals. I am sorry for him that it became too uncomfortable to stay, but I think he should have stuck it out anyway. Resilience is an important characteristic to have. Sounds like he could not make it for another 6-8 weeks. He is an adult and should be able to make do for that long. It does sound like the delivery of the information may have been harshly done which is sad. Possibly the whole situation was mismanaged. |
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Post by soccergalife on Apr 2, 2021 10:33:00 GMT -5
You bring up valid valid points. I believe resilience comes with age and maturity. It’s a tough life lesson to teach the younger generations.
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Post by soccerstud2 on Apr 2, 2021 11:32:21 GMT -5
All stories have multiple viewpoints and sources sometimes definitely state things that may have only been being considered as being done deals. I am sorry for him that it became too uncomfortable to stay, but I think he should have stuck it out anyway. Resilience is an important characteristic to have. Sounds like he could not make it for another 6-8 weeks. He is an adult and should be able to make do for that long. It does sound like the delivery of the information may have been harshly done which is sad. Possibly the whole situation was mismanaged. |
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Post by soccerstud2 on Apr 2, 2021 11:43:34 GMT -5
My daughter used to be “affiliated” with that but no longer. One of the biggest problems with that situation is there’s a small group of parents on that team that are being led around on leashes by another parent who is a pretender. It’s kinda like a cult. I’m glad we are out even though I though SG was the best coach we had there.
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Post by saintgermain on Apr 2, 2021 12:20:14 GMT -5
I agree 1000000%!!!! Parents can't be allowed to get away with this. And, in my experience, it is often parents of kids who probably don't belong on that roster. Let the kids play. Prepare your kid for the road, not the road for your kid. Sometimes, it isn't the coach's fault. It's yours.
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Post by baller84 on Apr 2, 2021 12:56:13 GMT -5
I agree 1000000%!!!! Parents can't be allowed to get away with this. And, in my experience, it is often parents of kids who probably don't belong on that roster. Let the kids play. Prepare your kid for the road, not the road for your kid. Sometimes, it isn't the coach's fault. It's yours. "Prepare your kid for the road, not the road for your kid." Amen to that! |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 2, 2021 13:15:37 GMT -5
This sounds like a really bad situation all around. MM needs to get control of everything. Parents, coaches, players.
If there is a parent who is a ringleader in the whole mess, that family needs to be let go.
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Post by liverpoolfc on Apr 2, 2021 13:19:53 GMT -5
There are lots of players that have been led to false hope by their parents. prepare your child for the world that is full of disappointments and unfairness. Teach them to work harder than the next person to the left and right.
Having SG step down doesnt hurt him at all but hurt your athlete because he is a smart coach that have good intentions in your athletes. If your daughter isn't playing enough game time, talk to her, help her understand what it takes to be the top top player.
I'm sure SG will just be fine, and parents gotta remember one thing, most of these coaches have their main jobs. It is very easy to just leave when parents are becoming to much to handle.
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Post by getyourballsinorder on Apr 2, 2021 13:53:27 GMT -5
-SG chose to quit.
-Having the same coach for 2 yrs was long enough.
-SG chose to quit.
-Parents asking for a new coach for the next season is not unusual.
-SG chose to quit.
-Pay to Play soccer=yes parents can choose to take their children elsewhere if they don’’t want a specific coach.
-SG chose to quit.
-All girls were willing & ready to see the season through-6-8wks.
-BUT not SG, he chose to quit.
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