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Post by liverpoolfc on Apr 2, 2021 14:00:19 GMT -5
And who is to say the next coach will be as good as SG? And having a coach lead kids longer than two yrs is actually a good thing for a club. and pay to play is killing youth sports in America, Everyone have a say.. parents are the one ruling over coaches nowadays.. go figure US Olympic team...
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Post by getyourballsinorder on Apr 2, 2021 14:12:16 GMT -5
Yep, these are the chances people take, but the parents were willing to take that chance, if for no other reason to not have such a negative person. There is also the issue that what is good for the club may NOT be good for the kids. Being a good coach is WAY more than Xs & Os. & Yep again, pay to play soccer IS killing the sport in the US, but so it goes....
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Post by liverpoolfc on Apr 2, 2021 14:15:11 GMT -5
Yep, these are the chances people take, but the parents were willing to take that chance, if for no other reason to not have such a negative person. Being a good coach is WAY more than Xs & Os. & Yep again, pay to play soccer IS killing the sport in the US, but so it goes.... How is he a negative person? Do you have him as a coach? |
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Post by getyourballsinorder on Apr 2, 2021 14:18:11 GMT -5
Yep.
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Post by coffee on Apr 2, 2021 14:21:08 GMT -5
Has anyone else noticed how many freshly minted accounts have been made since this thread was started by an account that was itself apparently created just before the original post (OP) was made?
I’ve got nothing against new people; most organizations can’t survive without them. Maybe each account represents a new person such as parents and staff close to this topic. But I doubt such a surge happens often. It shows that some people are passionate about what’s going on. Hopefully it’s not a few people creating extra accounts to push an agenda.
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Post by soccergalife on Apr 2, 2021 14:32:32 GMT -5
I heard there definitely was a ring leader on one of the teams. Amen to “let the players play!” Some of the girls are more worried about making a mistake and staring at their parents on the sidelines then focusing on the game.
The club can not allow parents to dictate how the coach is going to act and coach the team. Girls need to be encouraged to speak to their coach on their own. Help your kid find their voice and don’t be the voice for them.
Don’t be part of the problem be part of the solution!
Soccer GALife
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Post by liverpoolfc on Apr 2, 2021 14:34:55 GMT -5
You can elaborate on why you think he is a negative person. Just yep only answer part of the question. |
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Post by getyourballsinorder on Apr 2, 2021 14:43:42 GMT -5
You’re right I could, but would it really matter to you? I actually don’t think it does. I will say this- that being a passive aggressive coach with 13/14yr old girls won’t win anyone over. If he thought girls would not go back to their parents & repeat his statements he was wrong. And before you or anyone else goes on a rant about “Awww, my poor Mia’s feelings were hurt by a big bad coach.” (Nor was it just ONE girl). That was not it at all. Hs communication skills are severely lacking and the manner in which he chose to express himself again-passive aggressive is unacceptable from not only a coach but also a high school teacher. Be Better.
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Post by Whistledown on Apr 2, 2021 14:48:02 GMT -5
Putting what he is going through (or was going through) in his personal life on here is tacky.
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Apr 2, 2021 14:53:36 GMT -5
Putting what he is going through (or was going through) in his personal life on here is tacky. Don't think anyone did that unless I missed what you're referring to. The earlier posts about a coach going through a divorce were about a different (unnamed) coach who left in the middle of a game. |
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Post by Whistledown on Apr 2, 2021 14:56:17 GMT -5
Putting what he is going through (or was going through) in his personal life on here is tacky. Don't think anyone did that unless I missed what you're referring to. The earlier posts about a coach going through a divorce were about a different (unnamed) coach who left in the middle of a game. That's not how it reads. In any event, it's tacky to put that on a forum about any coach. Some things should be off limits. |
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Post by getyourballsinorder on Apr 2, 2021 14:57:16 GMT -5
Putting what he is going through (or was going through) in his personal life on here is tacky. Don't think anyone did that unless I missed what you're referring to. The earlier posts about a coach going through a divorce were about a different (unnamed) coach who left in the middle of a game. I agree with you. Another poster was using that as an example. |
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Post by soccergalife on Apr 2, 2021 15:03:13 GMT -5
I heard a lot of the girls had no issue communicating with SG. Parents on a particular team had issues with his communication style. The fact that the 07 team improved dramatically from 2019 season to this season shows that SG did a good job developing the players.
He is there to develop soccer players not chat it up with the parents.
At many clubs, parents aren’t even allowed to speak to the coach. Something to chew on...
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Post by getyourballsinorder on Apr 2, 2021 15:06:01 GMT -5
People could go back and forth on this all day. But this wouldn’t have even been the issue that it has become if not for the FACT that SG chose to quit. Something else to chew on...
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Post by bogan on Apr 2, 2021 15:18:56 GMT -5
Putting what he is going through (or was going through) in his personal life on here is tacky. Funny you would say that because that appears to be what this entire post is about-the personal reasons a coach left and what he was dealing with personally. Sorry if I triggered anyone. However my example... 1. It was a long time ago and no one on this forum would know this person even if I put their name on here. 2. I thought there were better ways of handling the situation than walking off in the middle of a game, but he was a young coach going through a crisis. |
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Post by soccergalife on Apr 2, 2021 15:18:56 GMT -5
#ParentsDoBetter!
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Post by soccerstud2 on Apr 2, 2021 15:35:41 GMT -5
You’re right I could, but would it really matter to you? I actually don’t think it does. I will say this- that being a passive aggressive coach with 13/14yr old girls won’t win anyone over. If he thought girls would not go back to their parents & repeat his statements he was wrong. And before you or anyone else goes on a rant about “Awww, my poor Mia’s feelings were hurt by a big bad coach.” (Nor was it just ONE girl). That was not it at all. Hs communication skills are severely lacking and the manner in which he chose to express himself again-passive aggressive is unacceptable from not only a coach but also a high school teacher. Be Better. |
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Post by ball2futbol on Apr 2, 2021 15:40:21 GMT -5
If someone doesn't feel like sticking around an unhealthy environment, I applaud them for stepping away. Based upon this thread, it doesn't sound like a good situation for anyone. The fact that it involves kids and it's mid-season, is irrelevant. Be thankful... we could have been having a different conversation down the road. If my kids coach doesn't feel mentally capable of doing the job for whatever reason, I am more than okay with that.
BTW When I read earlier in the thread the potential replacement name, I LOL literally! Be careful what you wish for.
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Apr 2, 2021 15:50:53 GMT -5
If someone doesn't feel like sticking around an unhealthy environment, I applaud them for stepping away. Based upon this thread, it doesn't sound like a good situation for anyone. The fact that it involves kids and it's mid-season, is irrelevant. Be thankful... we could have been having a different conversation down the road. If my kids coach doesn't feel mentally capable of doing the job for whatever reason, I am more than okay with that. BTW When I read earlier in the thread the potential replacement name, I LOL literally! Be careful what you wish for. From what I've heard about SG, after hearing from a parent on one of these teams, the replacement mentioned in this thread is not much different. For those kids' sakes, I hope it's not true. |
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Post by soccerstud2 on Apr 2, 2021 15:56:33 GMT -5
You’re right I could, but would it really matter to you? I actually don’t think it does. I will say this- that being a passive aggressive coach with 13/14yr old girls won’t win anyone over. If he thought girls would not go back to their parents & repeat his statements he was wrong. And before you or anyone else goes on a rant about “Awww, my poor Mia’s feelings were hurt by a big bad coach.” (Nor was it just ONE girl). That was not it at all. Hs communication skills are severely lacking and the manner in which he chose to express himself again-passive aggressive is unacceptable from not only a coach but also a high school teacher. Be Better. As I said before, I thought SG was one of the best coaches there!! Oh he raises his voice, so what!! He doesn’t sauce it up with the parents at the away tournaments, so what (I didn’t either when my daughter was there and dang sure wouldn’t as a coach). As far as yelling, come to one of our games and listen out for a little. SG is a saint in comparison. Bottom line is...it’s the same as it was before with that team. No coach can please those parents, none of them. Leadership needs to look at the real reason this happened. Did he quit, sure that’s the official announcement but if the cult were coming after me I would probably run too!! |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 2, 2021 16:07:06 GMT -5
Having seen a good bit of both, SG and AM are similar coaches. Every time I saw SG in pregame he was cutting up with his players. I've seen him run a LOT more skills drills than the majority of AFU girls ECNL coaches with their players (he also guest-coached my daughter's team a few times). A lot of coaches are smart asses/sarcastic. I've seen/heard he has a temper also, sometimes deservedly so. The main negative I've heard about SG was his state cup position choices back in 2018 when he stepped in to coach GH's elite 05 team. Playing players wildly out of position, sitting a player a whole game allegedly without explanation.
For the record, IMO the absolute WORST coaches are the ones who sit/bench players for making a mistake and then not telling them what they did wrong. |
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Post by soccergurl on Apr 2, 2021 17:57:01 GMT -5
Weren’t you with NTH last season? Not coming at you, just thought I remembered that but wasn’t sure. |focus - no to gal, yes to ecnl| |
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Post by soccergurl on Apr 2, 2021 18:08:14 GMT -5
Has anyone else noticed how many freshly minted accounts have been made since this thread was started by an account that was itself apparently created just before the original post (OP) was made? I’ve got nothing against new people; most organizations can’t survive without them. Maybe each account represents a new person such as parents and staff close to this topic. But I doubt such a surge happens often. It shows that some people are passionate about what’s going on. Hopefully it’s not a few people creating extra accounts to push an agenda. |me like how u think| |me think all new account like sg| |me think parent who cry 4 sg move with sg to new club or move to cf| |
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Post by soccergalife on Apr 3, 2021 10:43:17 GMT -5
The bullies that ran SG off should be banned from AFU.
#zerotoleranceAFU!
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Post by rifle on Apr 3, 2021 13:47:34 GMT -5
Putting what he is going through (or was going through) in his personal life on here is tacky. I believe you completely misread an anecdote ( bogan said it took place a decade ago). |
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Post by rifle on Apr 3, 2021 13:55:22 GMT -5
The entitlement of club soccer parents never disappoints. When y’all have kids who age out, I suspect you’ll (also) cherish many many good memories but also have an aftertaste of disgust. I sure do. Wish I could do it all over again- I’d definitely focus a lot more on the well being of the kids and keep my distance from the parent nonsense.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 3, 2021 17:02:16 GMT -5
The bullies that ran SG off should be banned from AFU. #zerotoleranceAFU! I have seen and read your myriad posts. You seem very passionate about this issue and appear to know very intimate behind the scene details of the inner workings of both teams. So from that, I'm going to take a leap and deduce your daughter in on one of the two affected teams. Comparatively, I stitched together my information on the whole situation from 4 different parents and 2 coaches. Let me begin by saying how sorry I am that your daughter lost her coach in the middle of the season. From some of your posts, it sounds like your daughter liked having SG as her coach. It is my ardent hope that SG was able to speak to and provide her with a bonafide reason for quitting on her to explain away his failings. We can comment and post till the cows come home, but at the end of the day, these are all just opinions. Parents will be parents, players will be players and clubs will keep milking everyone for $$$ However, from the outside looking in, my conclusive fact is quite simple. Short of some illegality or the players refusing to "suit up for you" I just don't see how one can justify walking away from 11/12/13 year old girls in the middle of their season 🙉🙈🙊 p.s. I know your handle is new but any relation to soccergurl, asking for a friend... |
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Post by soccergalife on Apr 3, 2021 20:03:48 GMT -5
No one will really knows the true story except for SG & MM. Of course, we all have opinions, some stronger than others.
I see both sides, and once again don’t know the full story as to why SG couldn’t finish the season out.
My point is that we really don’t know the specific details so let’s give SG the benefit of the doubt. I was raised to treat people how you would want to be treated...
Btw, not related to soccergurl
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Post by soccermamma17 on Apr 4, 2021 0:52:20 GMT -5
I’m a parent on one of these teams, and I don’t even know the whole story. I liked SG as a coach, but I agree that he wasn’t a particularly warm coach. That’s okay! He definitely challenged my daughter and brought out a better player. I will say that my daughter was pretty devastated at the loss of SG. Would he yell at them? YES! Did my kid come off the field crying at times? YES! Did any of us want him gone? NO! It was a handful of parents that ran off a great coach. I was at the ugly parent meeting, and I don’t agree with a lot of what was said. If these parents want to go find a different club, that’s their choice. We aren’t leaving. I wish SG had stuck by those that were on his side. I think he would have found more than he thought, and I hate the division that has been created just as we were starting to come together.
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Post by ball2futbol on Apr 4, 2021 1:17:44 GMT -5
I’ll take a take a coach barking at my kid any day, rather than participating in Soccer Karen/Ken lead and il’ Informed angry parent mob!
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