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Post by roki12 on Apr 4, 2021 8:03:55 GMT -5
I’m a parent on one of these teams, and I don’t even know the whole story. I liked SG as a coach, but I agree that he wasn’t a particularly warm coach. That’s okay! He definitely challenged my daughter and brought out a better player. I will say that my daughter was pretty devastated at the loss of SG. Would he yell at them? YES! Did my kid come off the field crying at times? YES! Did any of us want him gone? NO! It was a handful of parents that ran off a great coach. I was at the ugly parent meeting, and I don’t agree with a lot of what was said. If these parents want to go find a different club, that’s their choice. We aren’t leaving. I wish SG had stuck by those that were on his side. I think he would have found more than he thought, and I hate the division that has been created just as we were starting to come together. Sounds like any given day at TH with TC! |
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Post by getyourballsinorder on Apr 4, 2021 8:17:09 GMT -5
That “ugly” team meeting never should have happened. Parents did not ask for that meeting. Management was told by several people that the meeting was a bad idea for several reasons. But as tends to be the case management thinks they always know best. You’re right parents did/do have a choice to leave and they were willing to exert that choice at the END of the season-because two years was enough for them. AGAIN, SG chose to end his connection with the team. Parents were not there with pitchforks running him off. I am not sure what anyone thought was going to be the outcome of that meeting where emotions were already running high. I’m sure there are some girls that are saddened by HIS leaving but I am also equally sure that there are some girls who are quite relieved.
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Post by soccergalife on Apr 4, 2021 13:13:31 GMT -5
The 08 team was collateral damage b/c of the ill behavior of some 07 parents. Half of the 08 team is new to the club so they don’t have a long enough history to have so much hostility towards SG.
I agree, SG is not a cheerleader but if your daughter is looking for high 5’s go play middle school soccer and not ECNL. The girls on the 08 team were devastated not relieved by SG’s sudden exit. You can’t please everyone and the few that may have complained on the 08 team are probably on the bubble for next year.
Agreed that the parent meetings were the nail in the coffin for SG leaving. Good intentions by club leadership but didn’t play out well.
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Post by getyourballsinorder on Apr 4, 2021 14:11:18 GMT -5
You can continue to place all the blame on a few 07 parents if you like, while pushing SG to an almost Svengali like level with no accountability whatsoever. I personally have never once heard SG assent to even one thing. He just always wanted to be right. 💁♂️
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Post by rifle on Apr 4, 2021 15:09:08 GMT -5
Last summer the girls ECNL prognosticators predicted AFU would be dead last locally. How have these teams done? Is this actually sour grapes about results?
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Post by getyourballsinorder on Apr 4, 2021 15:22:34 GMT -5
Nope, not sour grapes. The girls have won and tied vs local clubs. Why people can’t just accept the concept of wanting a different coach after 2years. Nobody asked him to quit. Let’s hold SG accountable for his actions rather than nominate him for sainthood. 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by soccergalife on Apr 4, 2021 15:54:35 GMT -5
No one is nominating him for saint hood. Why aren’t those 07 parents holding themselves accountable? It goes both ways...
What I see is that the parents got out of hand and didn’t expect SG to walk away mid season. Now, those parents are back peddling and pointing the blame elsewhere. Guess what? The spotlight is on them and not in a good way.
The 08’s beat the #1 undefeated team in their division, AL FC last week. All other ECNL clubs have failed to do that all season.
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Post by getyourballsinorder on Apr 4, 2021 16:01:24 GMT -5
That’s funny, no 07 parent is backpedaling.Nor are they heartbroken he quit. That’s his choice. They are also standing by what they said. Spotlight, from who? Is TMZ coming out to report??
Hope I cleared up those few points for you.
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Post by soccergalife on Apr 4, 2021 16:28:08 GMT -5
Here’s the thing... things could have been handled better between the parents, SG and club leadership. I don’t blame those 07 parents for requesting a new coach after 2yrs. Where the blame comes in is how they went about it.
Giving club leadership an ultimatum is ridiculous. If you are that unhappy leave, it happens ever year. Why create so much drama?
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Post by soccergalife on Apr 4, 2021 16:32:33 GMT -5
Oh, those parents are most certainly backpedaling. “We didn’t ask for this to happen” You most certainly did!
Spotlight from EVERYONE!!!!!!!!! No need to clear anything up for me, I’m ahead of it.
Can’t wait for tryouts next month!
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Post by getyourballsinorder on Apr 4, 2021 16:40:51 GMT -5
I’m gonna bid you Adieu now soccergal. Sorry for you that your beloved SG is no longer coaching. Glad you’re ahead of everything. Oh and management asked parents if they would leave or go at the end of season-people answered honestly.
Tryouts are always a good time. 👋
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Post by footyfan on Apr 4, 2021 18:10:08 GMT -5
No dog in this fight, but Soccergal gonna be All World like Rifle before the thread is done.
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Post by justhavefun on Apr 4, 2021 18:30:58 GMT -5
From someone looking from the outside. This is where we are as a society. “Cancel” people because we don’t agree with them and it’s the easy way out.
No personal accountable. AFU has a coach who coaches older girls who might be the very best girls coach in the area. She is not known for hugs & kisses either, but can straight out coach. Girls ( and boys) from all clubs train with her too so it’s can’t be about SG is “ mean” & does not communicate.
This seems to be about blaming a coach and not the team talent. It’s always the few who are the loudest and cause the most “ destruction. I am betting a different coach will yield the same results. Then what ?
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Post by Upper90 on Apr 4, 2021 19:01:34 GMT -5
I don’t have any dogs or cats in this fight either.
*But honestly, wanting a new coach after 2 years doesn’t seem like an awful request.
*Maybe SG is a great coach but not a great coach for this team of girls, that has been known to happen before.
*As far as talent goes, it was SG’s team and his talent so there has to be some accountability on him.
*”Undoubtedly one of the best coaches in the region” Well if the internet says it, it must be true-haha.
*Management shouldn’t have asked parents about next season, if they didn’t really want the honest truth.
*Parents are passionate about their kids on both sides of this fence. No matter what someone was always going to be unhappy.
#deepthoughts
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 4, 2021 19:34:56 GMT -5
From someone looking from the outside. This is where we are as a society. “Cancel” people because we don’t agree with them and it’s the easy way out. No personal accountable. AFU has a coach who coaches older girls who might be the very best girls coach in the area. She is not known for hugs & kisses either, but can straight out coach. Girls ( and boys) from all clubs train with her too so it’s can’t be about SG is “ mean” & does not communicate. This seems to be about blaming a coach and not the team talent. It’s always the few who are the loudest and cause the most “ destruction. I am betting a different coach will yield the same results. Then what ? This other coach of whom you speak and trains the older girls is awesome IMO, but also does get people who don't like her or her methods. She has people that talk badly behind her back to the AFU powers that be as well. Her teams often don't get great results though she does place a lot of kids in college. No coach is universally liked or universally hated. It is not "cancelling" someone to go to their boss to discuss issues or deficits when you are the paying customer and especially not if that person chooses to leave on their own and is not even fired. Just saying. I also have no dog in this fight, but I appreciate hearing opinions on all sides of the issue. |
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Post by georgiasoccer on Apr 4, 2021 20:46:58 GMT -5
This is interesting, I know some of the parents on both teams and I can agree that there are some 07/08 parents that pushed to remove the coach. Not pointing fingers to those parents but there is no denying that there are some problem parents there.
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Post by oldtrafford on Apr 4, 2021 20:58:14 GMT -5
clubs can't keep letting parents dictate anything or call the shots. they're all acting in self-interest and most know about 1/10th as much about soccer as the coach does. case in point is the 07 cf platinum team. parents scheme to form a super team and pick a coach who is sub par (and that's being generous) and getting as little out of a talented team as possible. well played!
knowing some parents on both the 07 and 08 afu teams, it sounds like nobody thought SG was a terrible coach per se. and from the sounds of it, he was very invested in the girls and put in extra days and time into it with them.
and while on the surface "quitting" on a team sounds like a cheesed!ck move, who knows what else was going on behind the scenes. wouldn't be surprised if a parent with ties to club ownership was a constant thorn in his side.
as is always the case, the grass is rarely greener and be careful what you wish for.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 11:29:25 GMT -5
Nope, not sour grapes. The girls have won and tied vs local clubs. Why people can’t just accept the concept of wanting a different coach after 2years. Nobody asked him to quit. Let’s hold SG accountable for his actions rather than nominate him for sainthood. 🤷🏻♂️ I’m a parent on the 2007 team that spoke up. Here’s what 14 parents asked for: 1. Better communication with the players first and the parents as needed. 2. A new coach next year. Ultimately, he doesn’t want to communicate and that’s why he quit. It’s a shame that a coach in his 30s thinks he has nothing left to learn. To the 6 2007 & 2008 and parents that are complaining, you should be disappointed that an ECNL coach quit on our kids mid season, not at a group of parents that are advocating for better communication. Furthermore, the 2007 parents asked for a new coach for the 2007 team for next season. Coaching assignments were coming out in a couple of weeks, so that was why there was a sense of urgency. The 2007 team had already had him 2 years and this is not an unusual request to ask for a new coach after 2 years. The request was made ONLY for the 2007 team. No one threatened or asked him to be removed this year. Our request had nothing to do with the 2008 team. The sense of entitlement that you have as parents for us to not speak up because your team was “at risk” is outrageous. The bottom line... SG quit your team and quit on your girls. Also, there were 2008 parents that also complained. Communication concerns: He’s built a pattern of not communicating with the players or the parents. Of course and obviously, we’re asking our girls to speak with him directly. Most of us are giving our girls suggestions and ways to approach him. These girls are 13-14 and need our guidance. As parents, we’re still parenting our kids. So if he doesn’t respond or give the needed guidance, we will step in. None of us were sitting in our kitchen saying “I can’t wait to call/email the coach today.” However, If we don’t advocate for our kids, who will? |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 5, 2021 12:48:34 GMT -5
Nope, not sour grapes. The girls have won and tied vs local clubs. Why people can’t just accept the concept of wanting a different coach after 2years. Nobody asked him to quit. Let’s hold SG accountable for his actions rather than nominate him for sainthood. 🤷🏻♂️ I’m a parent on the 2007 team that spoke up. Here’s what 14 parents asked for: 1. Better communication with the players first and the parents as needed. 2. A new coach next year. Ultimately, he doesn’t want to communicate and that’s why he quit. It’s a shame that a coach in his 30s thinks he has nothing left to learn. To the 6 2007 & 2008 and parents that are complaining, you should be disappointed that an ECNL coach quit on our kids mid season, not at a group of parents that are advocating for better communication. Furthermore, the 2007 parents asked for a new coach for the 2007 team for next season. Coaching assignments were coming out in a couple of weeks, so that was why there was a sense of urgency. The 2007 team had already had him 2 years and this is not an unusual request to ask for a new coach after 2 years. The request was made ONLY for the 2007 team. No one threatened or asked him to be removed this year. Our request had nothing to do with the 2008 team. The sense of entitlement that you have as parents for us to not speak up because your team was “at risk” is outrageous. The bottom line... SG quit your team and quit on your girls. Also, there were 2008 parents that also complained. Communication concerns: He’s built a pattern of not communicating with the players or the parents. Of course and obviously, we’re asking our girls to speak with him directly. Most of us are giving our girls suggestions and ways to approach him. These girls are 13-14 and need our guidance. As parents, we’re still parenting our kids. So if he doesn’t respond or give the needed guidance, we will step in. None of us were sitting in our kitchen saying “I can’t wait to call/email the coach today.” However, If we don’t advocate for our kids, who will? Gotta agree on communication. We left a club last year because the coach was horrible at communicating to the players. How can they improve if they have no idea what they are supposed to do? When you ask and get a statement that basically gives you no info, when you ask for instructions before you go on and they give you nothing these are moments when you say "I am done here." Either you ask for a new coach or you leave. As they get older tactics are important as are personalized discussions on areas of strengths and areas to work on. The players deserve that |
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Post by soccergalife on Apr 5, 2021 15:13:57 GMT -5
Some 07 parents DEMANDED a new coach for next season, with the ultimatum of 7 starters leaving the club if it was not met. Big difference than requesting a new coach.
Once again, goes back to the behavior of those parents. If the parents were not comfortable approaching SG, you expect their players to be?
I heard there were several players and parents on both teams that had zero issues communicating with SG. That to me doesn’t seem like an SG communication issue, just saying...
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Post by oldtrafford on Apr 5, 2021 16:07:11 GMT -5
have to agree with soccergal there.
although as is the case with almost all teams, coaches have his/her favorites. some kids respond. some kids don't. some get extra attention. some don't. it's just the way it goes. the only constant is that not all parents are ever happy at any given time. then it becomes what kind of a ruckus they cause.
in SG's case, apparently he had to repeatedly tell the girls to *not* listen to a parent on the sideline constantly coaching and undermining him (who happens to be a parent of influence at the club), and even considers having to keep that parent from games. that sets up an almost impossible dynamic for him to continue. it's ridiculous.
almost as ridiculous as soccergurl, who is a school teacher by day but speaks broken english at night on youth soccer forums. not sure which one is more ridiculous. probably soccergurl.
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Post by soccergalife on Apr 5, 2021 18:22:50 GMT -5
soccergal is now soccergalife. Not associated with soccergurl in any way and became too confusing.
Also, not a school teacher, although, thankful for all of our teachers!
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Post by baller84 on Apr 5, 2021 18:24:59 GMT -5
There is a difference among talking to, talking at, shouting, yelling, barking and screaming at a child, and that is more important than the message itself.
There are many ways to coach the same thing. At the end of the day many coaches try to either win at all costs, or be what they think parents want them to be (or both), esp if they think their jobs or reputation are on the line.
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Post by bogan on Apr 5, 2021 18:31:41 GMT -5
soccergal is now soccergalife. Not associated with soccergurl in any way and became too confusing. Also, not a school teacher, although, thankful for all of our teachers! Yeah-I see how that could get confusing. Like Ruffle, Oraclesfiend, fruityfan, or blowgun...😂 Sorry-just my silly sense of humor... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 18:36:23 GMT -5
Some 07 parents DEMANDED a new coach for next season, with the ultimatum of 7 starters leaving the club if it was not met. Big difference than requesting a new coach. Once again, goes back to the behavior of those parents. If the parents were not comfortable approaching SG, you expect their players to be? I heard there were several players and parents on both teams that had zero issues communicating with SG. That to me doesn’t seem like an SG communication issue, just saying... No one made any demands.. however if 28 players/parents were not happy with what you call his “coaching style,” wouldn’t it be appropriate to listen and make some corrections to your communication style? He was given that opportunity and chose to quit instead. QUIT.. instead of growing and learning new skills.. Absolutely no DEMANDS were made! The club can chose what they want. We expressed our concerns and SG couldn’t handle it. Since you’re a Team Manager with full access to the coach I guess you can communciate at any time while the rest of us are trying to be respectful of the relationship between a coach and player and a coach and parent. What’s inappropriate here is the relationship you have with SG. |
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Post by mightydawg on Apr 5, 2021 19:46:23 GMT -5
Can’t y’all just talk this out in the AFU parking lot? The rest of us have had enough of the soap opera.
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Apr 5, 2021 19:57:38 GMT -5
Can’t y’all just talk this out in the AFU parking lot? The rest of us have had enough of the soap opera. I immediately thought of how much I despise their parking lot . . . damn thing goes on forever. |
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Post by soccergalife on Apr 5, 2021 20:03:06 GMT -5
Not a TM, but your comments are inaccurate. Demands and ultimatums were definitely made. I guess you are not part of that click but sounds like you should be.
No need for ugliness, maybe struck a nerve? If those 7 families were that miserable just leave at the end of season. Players come and go all the time and everyone is replaceable, it’s a fact of life.
Not being able to see other view points is very short sided. Allowing parents to dictate staffing decisions is not how AFU should run their club, it’s bad business.
I’m looking ahead at the bigger picture...
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Post by mightydawg on Apr 5, 2021 20:14:48 GMT -5
Can’t y’all just talk this out in the AFU parking lot? The rest of us have had enough of the soap opera. I immediately thought of how much I despise their parking lot . . . damn thing goes on forever. . Kind of like this thread |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Apr 5, 2021 20:16:17 GMT -5
Can’t y’all just talk this out in the AFU parking lot? The rest of us have had enough of the soap opera. Nah, I think this is more entertaining than anything on TV these days. |
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