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Mar 29, 2021 13:47:24 GMT -5
Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 29, 2021 13:47:24 GMT -5
The star wars saga continues.....I really thought the age group mandate would fix everything...
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Mar 29, 2021 16:12:28 GMT -5
Post by coffee on Mar 29, 2021 16:12:28 GMT -5
I'd think the announcement of the shuffling of ECNL SE/ECNL MA clubs and their ECRLs would have leaked by now? Well isn’t that what GSA did?
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Mar 30, 2021 7:42:26 GMT -5
Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 30, 2021 7:42:26 GMT -5
Do you think the delay in announcing the Girls version of the ECRL/ERL is due to the fact that Christian Lavers is busy securing the role of Director of Sport and Chief Soccer Officer for the Kansas City Women's Pro Soccer team? Asking for the loads of parents n players waiting to confirm that the girls ECRL/ERL is going live this upcoming season...
BTW: Lavers will continue to wear his ECNL hat too
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Mar 30, 2021 7:57:01 GMT -5
Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 30, 2021 7:57:01 GMT -5
You might find this interesting ( I haven't fully researched the topic) - He also works for - C2S Acquisition, LLC In US Clubs 2018 filing $4.6 million (or 35% of its total revenue) was paid to C2S Acquisition LLC.
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Mar 30, 2021 8:54:05 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 30, 2021 8:54:05 GMT -5
I saw the new gig. Thanks for shining light on his other gig. Looks like he is making a killing on youth soccer and I am not talking like DOC low 6 figure salaries. Is he really making 7 figures? Hmm
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Mar 30, 2021 10:17:16 GMT -5
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 30, 2021 10:17:16 GMT -5
Hey why own/run just one portion, when you can own, control and influence the whole ETHOS.
FC Wisconsin DOC ECNL Boys n Girls President NWSL Director of Sport and Chief Soccer Officer Parent Company of ECNL - CSM(CEO of US CLUB Soccer) Marketing & Branding Co.
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Mar 30, 2021 11:00:22 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 30, 2021 11:00:22 GMT -5
Hey why own/run just one portion, when you can own, control and influence the whole ETHOS. FC Wisconsin DOC ECNL Boys n Girls President NWSL Director of Sport and Chief Soccer Officer Parent Company of ECNL - CSM(CEO of US CLUB Soccer) Marketing & Branding Co. I have to wonder when conflict of interest comes in to play here. Just saying.
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Post by bogan on Mar 30, 2021 11:21:12 GMT -5
Hey why own/run just one portion, when you can own, control and influence the whole ETHOS. FC Wisconsin DOC ECNL Boys n Girls President NWSL Director of Sport and Chief Soccer Officer Parent Company of ECNL - CSM(CEO of US CLUB Soccer) Marketing & Branding Co. I have to wonder when conflict of interest comes in to play here. Just saying. I was more thinking how thin can you spread yourself until you start to let things slip?
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Mar 30, 2021 11:23:16 GMT -5
Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 30, 2021 11:23:16 GMT -5
I don't see how this isn't a conflict of interest and obvious unethical behavior at the expense of the kids
Maybe this is legit, but I have very hard time decoding this as not a conflict of interest. Maybe i'm 100% wrong. Wish someone would do a deep dive into this, because something sounds fishy. Maybe he's not getting a dime of the 4 million that codes to the other company he's the executive VP of. Maybe the tweet was wrong, i didn't dig up the 4 million from the tax return myself. But this all just irks me.
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Mar 30, 2021 12:02:44 GMT -5
Post by 04gparent on Mar 30, 2021 12:02:44 GMT -5
I don't see how this isn't a conflict of interest and obvious unethical behavior at the expense of the kids Maybe this is legit, but I have very hard time decoding this as not a conflict of interest. Maybe i'm 100% wrong. Wish someone would do a deep dive into this, because something sounds fishy. Maybe he's not getting a dime of the 4 million that codes to the other company he's the executive VP of. Maybe the tweet was wrong, i didn't dig up the 4 million from the tax return myself. But this all just irks me. I dont fault someone for make money for doing a job well. I think its clear on the surface that ECNL (boys and girls) are well run. I agree I dont see how he can lead both unless the director jobs are not as time consuming as we think. How about KC youth programs getting into ECNL a month before this announcement. Is that a conflict of interest?
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Mar 30, 2021 12:23:03 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 30, 2021 12:23:03 GMT -5
I don't see how this isn't a conflict of interest and obvious unethical behavior at the expense of the kids Maybe this is legit, but I have very hard time decoding this as not a conflict of interest. Maybe i'm 100% wrong. Wish someone would do a deep dive into this, because something sounds fishy. Maybe he's not getting a dime of the 4 million that codes to the other company he's the executive VP of. Maybe the tweet was wrong, i didn't dig up the 4 million from the tax return myself. But this all just irks me. I dont fault someone for make money for doing a job well. I think its clear on the surface that ECNL (boys and girls) are well run. I agree I dont see how he can lead both unless the director jobs are not as time consuming as we think. How about KC youth programs getting into ECNL a month before this announcement. Is that a conflict of interest? Exactly! Total conflict to let a program in and then be their director. Not that they might not have deserved that but just seems wrong to me. Agree it is not about the money per se but if he is making money on multiple fronts due to contracts that loop back into his position of authority and decision making then that is not ethical. Firmly want to say that I don't KNOW that any of that is happening but something fishy could be going on and after the GPS mess I think things like this need to be carefully looked in to make sure all is above board
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Apr 7, 2021 15:25:11 GMT -5
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Post by dadofthree on Apr 7, 2021 15:25:11 GMT -5
Ok its official. SE ERCL (on their website). Four ECNL Atlanta (two for Concorde) teams and Alabama. So 6 teams in southeast region. Will also play cross region the Carolina ERCL teams.
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Apr 7, 2021 15:32:49 GMT -5
Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 7, 2021 15:32:49 GMT -5
Ok its official. SE ERCL (on their website). Four ECNL Atlanta (two for Concorde) teams and Alabama. So 6 teams in southeast region. Will also play cross region the Carolina ERCL teams. Thanks! can you share the link to the website? Crazy -- what is crazy is a top team at Ambush lets say who is in the SCCL, now will be playing concordes 5th team in the age group....
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Apr 7, 2021 15:46:27 GMT -5
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Post by dadofthree on Apr 7, 2021 15:46:27 GMT -5
Ok its official. SE ERCL (on their website). Four ECNL Atlanta (two for Concorde) teams and Alabama. So 6 teams in southeast region. Will also play cross region the Carolina ERCL teams. Thanks! can you share the link to the website? Crazy -- what is crazy is a top team at Ambush lets say who is in the SCCL, now will be playing concordes 5th team in the age group.... Ecnlgirls.com It is on the landing page. They call it the South Atlantic ERCL with two divisions southeast and carolinas.
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Apr 7, 2021 15:48:09 GMT -5
Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Apr 7, 2021 15:48:09 GMT -5
Ok its official. SE ERCL (on their website). Four ECNL Atlanta (two for Concorde) teams and Alabama. So 6 teams in southeast region. Will also play cross region the Carolina ERCL teams. Thanks! can you share the link to the website? Crazy -- what is crazy is a top team at Ambush lets say who is in the SCCL, now will be playing concordes 5th team in the age group.... www.ecnlgirls.com/2021/04/07/ecnl-girls-regional-league-expands-to-create-new-ecnl-regional-league-south-atlantic/AFU, 2 Concorde teams, UFA, GSA and BUSA (or Alabama FC, I can never figure out their club name).
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Apr 7, 2021 15:59:24 GMT -5
Post by kidsocceruber on Apr 7, 2021 15:59:24 GMT -5
Ok its official. SE ERCL (on their website). Four ECNL Atlanta (two for Concorde) teams and Alabama. So 6 teams in southeast region. Will also play cross region the Carolina ERCL teams. Thanks! can you share the link to the website? Crazy -- what is crazy is a top team at Ambush lets say who is in the SCCL, now will be playing concordes 5th team in the age group.... Is it a given those ERCL teams are just their bumped up SCCL-C team then? If they're competitive games then I suppose it shouldn't matter, other than to say a club like Concorde can go 5 deep at an age group and still compete down the line and still compete with the top teams of the smaller clubs. But if the smaller clubs start dominating across the board for SCCL at that point then maybe they'll get an invite to a league like ECRL?
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Post by dadofthree on Apr 7, 2021 15:59:43 GMT -5
It will always be BUSA for me.......
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Apr 7, 2021 16:04:24 GMT -5
Thanks! can you share the link to the website? Crazy -- what is crazy is a top team at Ambush lets say who is in the SCCL, now will be playing concordes 5th team in the age group.... Is it a given those ERCL teams are just their bumped up SCCL-C team then? If they're competitive games then I suppose it shouldn't matter, other than to say a club like Concorde can go 5 deep at an age group and still compete down the line and still compete with the top teams of the smaller clubs. But if the smaller clubs start dominating across the board for SCCL at that point then maybe they'll get an invite to a league like ECRL? For UFA, I don't think it will be. Pretty sure the NPL teams will take the ECRL spots, as I can't imagine UFA will stay in NPL after the departures of SSA and AFC. I think Ambush and Santos deserve a spot in ECRL but I know it has nothing to do with "deserve" at this point since we hear that one Atlanta club in ECNL is vetoing any new clubs.
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Apr 7, 2021 16:10:56 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 7, 2021 16:10:56 GMT -5
Well I have been saying this would happen on the girls side for a year, but I am disappointed in ECNL and the local clubs that Roswell Santos was not on this list. If I was Santos (and Ambush) I would be totally livid. They come into SCCL to compete against the big clubs again and then they get shafted with this move. Santos deserves higher level play on the girls side (I think boys probably do too but I have not paid that much attention). Ambush has lost any edge they had at retaining players by joining SCCL.
The other ridiculous thing is that Concorde gets two teams and UFA did not. This really hurts UFA Norcross. Concorde's 4th team (now that SSA split has happened) is not going to be better than UFA Norcross in general. Well...maybe they will be now because Norcross will continue to lose players after academy age.
Overall I am glad that ECRL has come to Atlanta but disappointed that Roswell Santos and UFA Norcross are out in the cold.
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Apr 7, 2021 16:20:37 GMT -5
Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Apr 7, 2021 16:20:37 GMT -5
Well I have been saying this would happen on the girls side for a year, but I am disappointed in ECNL and the local clubs that Roswell Santos was not on this list. If I was Santos (and Ambush) I would be totally livid. They come into SCCL to compete against the big clubs again and then they get shafted with this move. Santos deserves higher level play on the girls side (I think boys probably do too but I have not paid that much attention). Ambush has lost any edge they had at retaining players by joining SCCL. The other ridiculous thing is that Concorde gets two teams and UFA did not. This really hurts UFA Norcross. Concorde's 4th team (now that SSA split has happened) is not going to be better than UFA Norcross in general. Well...maybe they will be now because Norcross will continue to lose players after academy age. Overall I am glad that ECRL has come to Atlanta but disappointed that Roswell Santos and UFA Norcross are out in the cold. As the parent of a daughter playing at UFA Norcross, I have to disagree, unfortunately. This past fall, here's how the Norcross teams finished in SCCL-C for girls: U12 - no team U13 - 8th out of 10 U14 - 9th out of 11 U15 - 3rd out of 11 (this is a good team, I can attest) U16 - no team (after the coach took the entire team to another club) U17 - 7th out of 10 U19 - no team (same as U16) A few years ago, you would have had a better argument.
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Apr 7, 2021 16:25:18 GMT -5
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Post by mightydawg on Apr 7, 2021 16:25:18 GMT -5
I thought that surf had announced that it was joining as well. Where do they fit in?
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Apr 7, 2021 16:35:29 GMT -5
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Post by ga3v3 on Apr 7, 2021 16:35:29 GMT -5
Well I have been saying this would happen on the girls side for a year, but I am disappointed in ECNL and the local clubs that Roswell Santos was not on this list. If I was Santos (and Ambush) I would be totally livid. They come into SCCL to compete against the big clubs again and then they get shafted with this move. Santos deserves higher level play on the girls side (I think boys probably do too but I have not paid that much attention). Ambush has lost any edge they had at retaining players by joining SCCL. The other ridiculous thing is that Concorde gets two teams and UFA did not. This really hurts UFA Norcross. Concorde's 4th team (now that SSA split has happened) is not going to be better than UFA Norcross in general. Well...maybe they will be now because Norcross will continue to lose players after academy age. Overall I am glad that ECRL has come to Atlanta but disappointed that Roswell Santos and UFA Norcross are out in the cold. I’m sure this was the plan all along- there’s no way that ufa and Concorde could allow these small clubs to be able to compete in the same league with them as they would be able to offer the same league but a better more intimate environment- cutting into their bottom line. Now that they too have left ga soccer the big 5s complete domination plan is almost complete;)
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Apr 7, 2021 17:05:57 GMT -5
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Post by roki12 on Apr 7, 2021 17:05:57 GMT -5
Thanks! can you share the link to the website? Crazy -- what is crazy is a top team at Ambush lets say who is in the SCCL, now will be playing concordes 5th team in the age group.... Is it a given those ERCL teams are just their bumped up SCCL-C team then? If they're competitive games then I suppose it shouldn't matter, other than to say a club like Concorde can go 5 deep at an age group and still compete down the line and still compete with the top teams of the smaller clubs. But if the smaller clubs start dominating across the board for SCCL at that point then maybe they'll get an invite to a league like ECRL? At least on the girls side - there’s no way Concorde can go 5 deep and be competitive. It wasn’t even able to field a competitive top team in many age groups last year, let alone second team. Only club that has been able to do that before last year’s craziness is Tophat. Even then I’d say after the third sometimes fourth team the talent started to be spread thin.
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Apr 7, 2021 17:15:48 GMT -5
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Post by bogan on Apr 7, 2021 17:15:48 GMT -5
Is it a given those ERCL teams are just their bumped up SCCL-C team then? If they're competitive games then I suppose it shouldn't matter, other than to say a club like Concorde can go 5 deep at an age group and still compete down the line and still compete with the top teams of the smaller clubs. But if the smaller clubs start dominating across the board for SCCL at that point then maybe they'll get an invite to a league like ECRL? At least on the girls side - there’s no way Concorde can go 5 deep and be competitive. It wasn’t even able to field a competitive top team in many age groups last year, let alone second team. Only club that has been able to do that before last year’s craziness is Tophat. Even then I’d say after the third sometimes fourth team the talent started to be spread thin. Do you think the addition of Red Star will change the equation a bit (for the ladies)?
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Apr 7, 2021 17:32:42 GMT -5
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Post by roki12 on Apr 7, 2021 17:32:42 GMT -5
At least on the girls side - there’s no way Concorde can go 5 deep and be competitive. It wasn’t even able to field a competitive top team in many age groups last year, let alone second team. Only club that has been able to do that before last year’s craziness is Tophat. Even then I’d say after the third sometimes fourth team the talent started to be spread thin. Do you think the addition of Red Star will change the equation a bit (for the ladies)? I don’t know enough about Red Star... but I think it’s going to be tough. Top 3 teams will be fine but after that, hard to say!
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Apr 7, 2021 17:40:49 GMT -5
Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Apr 7, 2021 17:40:49 GMT -5
Is it a given those ERCL teams are just their bumped up SCCL-C team then? If they're competitive games then I suppose it shouldn't matter, other than to say a club like Concorde can go 5 deep at an age group and still compete down the line and still compete with the top teams of the smaller clubs. But if the smaller clubs start dominating across the board for SCCL at that point then maybe they'll get an invite to a league like ECRL? At least on the girls side - there’s no way Concorde can go 5 deep and be competitive. It wasn’t even able to field a competitive top team in many age groups last year, let alone second team. Only club that has been able to do that before last year’s craziness is Tophat. Even then I’d say after the third sometimes fourth team the talent started to be spread thin. You're gonna have to help me understand this comment - their top girls' teams all play ECNL and all are in the top 3 in the standings at every age group except the U18/U19 composite.
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Apr 7, 2021 18:22:10 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 7, 2021 18:22:10 GMT -5
Well I have been saying this would happen on the girls side for a year, but I am disappointed in ECNL and the local clubs that Roswell Santos was not on this list. If I was Santos (and Ambush) I would be totally livid. They come into SCCL to compete against the big clubs again and then they get shafted with this move. Santos deserves higher level play on the girls side (I think boys probably do too but I have not paid that much attention). Ambush has lost any edge they had at retaining players by joining SCCL. The other ridiculous thing is that Concorde gets two teams and UFA did not. This really hurts UFA Norcross. Concorde's 4th team (now that SSA split has happened) is not going to be better than UFA Norcross in general. Well...maybe they will be now because Norcross will continue to lose players after academy age. Overall I am glad that ECRL has come to Atlanta but disappointed that Roswell Santos and UFA Norcross are out in the cold. As the parent of a daughter playing at UFA Norcross, I have to disagree, unfortunately. This past fall, here's how the Norcross teams finished in SCCL-C for girls: U12 - no team U13 - 8th out of 10 U14 - 9th out of 11 U15 - 3rd out of 11 (this is a good team, I can attest) U16 - no team (after the coach took the entire team to another club) U17 - 7th out of 10 U19 - no team (same as U16) A few years ago, you would have had a better argument. Well Sergio taking both the U19 and U16 teams hurt a lot and that was just this year. But still Concorde's true current 4th team was playing SCCL-P 2 in most cases because team 1 ECNL team 2 SCCL-C team 3 SCCL-P 1 and team 4 SCCL-P 2. The second ECNL team was SSA in most age groups. Adding Red Star will help if they plan to give them a team in ECRL but I just think this is a build it and they will come scenario. If CF has 2 ECNL and 2 ECRL they will draw more players away from other places and UFA Norcross would have been able to draw players instead and not lose them to AFU, GSA and CF. Now starting U13 they will lose them because no ECRL and the surrounding clubs have it. UFA Norcross was playing against CF 2nd teams in SCCL-C. If you went back one year to look at standings you would have seen a better showing from Norcross. Sergio really hurt that branch taking their two strongest teams (at the time). There was additional fall out at other ages from his defection from what I was told by a UFA Norcross person in the know.
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Apr 7, 2021 18:24:11 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 7, 2021 18:24:11 GMT -5
I thought that surf had announced that it was joining as well. Where do they fit in? Girls South Carolina Surf is GA, not ECRL or ECNL.
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Apr 7, 2021 18:34:27 GMT -5
Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Apr 7, 2021 18:34:27 GMT -5
As the parent of a daughter playing at UFA Norcross, I have to disagree, unfortunately. This past fall, here's how the Norcross teams finished in SCCL-C for girls: U12 - no team U13 - 8th out of 10 U14 - 9th out of 11 U15 - 3rd out of 11 (this is a good team, I can attest) U16 - no team (after the coach took the entire team to another club) U17 - 7th out of 10 U19 - no team (same as U16) A few years ago, you would have had a better argument. Well Sergio taking both the U19 and U16 teams hurt a lot and that was just this year. But still Concorde's true current 4th team was playing SCCL-P 2 in most cases because team 1 ECNL team 2 SCCL-C team 3 SCCL-P 1 and team 4 SCCL-P 2. The second ECNL team was SSA in most age groups. Adding Red Star will help if they plan to give them a team in ECRL but I just think this is a build it and they will come scenario. If CF has 2 ECNL and 2 ECRL they will draw more players away from other places and UFA Norcross would have been able to draw players instead and not lose them to AFU, GSA and CF. Now starting U13 they will lose them because no ECRL and the surrounding clubs have it. UFA Norcross was playing against CF 2nd teams in SCCL-C. If you went back one year to look at standings you would have seen a better showing from Norcross. Sergio really hurt that branch taking their two strongest teams (at the time). There was additional fall out at other ages from his defection from what I was told by a UFA Norcross person in the know. Oh I don't disagree with you re: Concorde and attracting more talent. I think that's how this will work out for them - being able to offer up "ECRL" to kids who would have never sniffed ECNL will be a big draw for some. As I said, a few years ago it was a very different outlook at Norcross. One former coach ran off a bunch of 07s and 08s, then Sergio did he what did this past year. Very frustrating.
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Apr 7, 2021 18:48:17 GMT -5
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Post by nole95 on Apr 7, 2021 18:48:17 GMT -5
I’m confused. So where do the UFA SCCL teams fit into all this on the girls side? My daughter will be on the U18-19 level this year and was on SCCL-P1 last year.
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