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Apr 9, 2021 22:50:03 GMT -5
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 9, 2021 22:50:03 GMT -5
I think it would have been a good idea to get Roswell Santos to join/buy-in to the league. There would be even more incentive to play in ECRL than SCCL, as they would get access to the ECNL Open Cup as well as the US Club National Cup. If they want to make a good case for their club to get ECNL, this would have been a good place to start. However, I wonder if their relative dominance on the girls' side of SCCL may have been a threat to Concorde, especially given proximity. ECNL NEEDS a proving ground and ECRL should be it. It should be much easier to get into ECRL than ECNL and it should be managed by ECNL HQ and not boards of local clubs, where there is an obvious conflict of interest. You can't seriously believe that these Big Clubs are scared of the smaller ones. The smaller clubs top teams are playing the Bug Clubs 2nd and 3rd teams. Don't believe the hype. No one's leaving GSA, Tophat, Concorde, SSA to go to Roswell. It's just not realistic but I understand that people want every club playing the same level of soccer. But I just don't buy that narrative. None of the big clubs fear roswell or LSA or the smaller clubs. As oraclesfriend pointed out, in other regions of the country ECRL has been a proving ground for ECNL. And that's what it needs to be. In all but one age group Roswell was generally better than CF's 2nd (SCCL) team...due to the CF ECNL Premier team being an "SSA alliance" team (not a Concorde team). Will see how those Concorde Premier teams do without around half of those SSA players this coming fall. Maybe good, maybe terrible. As for GSA keeping clubs out of ECNL SE, that needs to end. Clubs need to be evaluated by the league, not league member clubs. Also, the Roswell top teams would beat the SSA top teams head to head in most age groups (girls). DGAF about boys. |
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Apr 9, 2021 23:18:44 GMT -5
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Post by BubbleDad on Apr 9, 2021 23:18:44 GMT -5
You can't seriously believe that these Big Clubs are scared of the smaller ones. The smaller clubs top teams are playing the Bug Clubs 2nd and 3rd teams. Don't believe the hype. No one's leaving GSA, Tophat, Concorde, SSA to go to Roswell. It's just not realistic but I understand that people want every club playing the same level of soccer. But I just don't buy that narrative. None of the big clubs fear roswell or LSA or the smaller clubs. As oraclesfriend pointed out, in other regions of the country ECRL has been a proving ground for ECNL. And that's what it needs to be. In all but one age group Roswell was generally better than CF's 2nd (SCCL) team...due to the CF ECNL Premier team being an "SSA alliance" team (not a Concorde team). Will see how those Concorde Premier teams do without around half of those SSA players this coming fall. Maybe good, maybe terrible. As for GSA keeping clubs out of ECNL SE, that needs to end. Clubs need to be evaluated by the league, not league member clubs. Also, the Roswell top teams would beat the SSA top teams head to head in most age groups (girls). DGAF about boys. Wooo ... I'm not sure that's the case for 06G. Roswell has good offense but the defense is just ok. Roswell needs to put top teams in GAL. |
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Apr 10, 2021 1:04:14 GMT -5
Post by newguy on Apr 10, 2021 1:04:14 GMT -5
As someone new trying to figure all this out is there a clear line on boys and girls side of what are the “Big Clubs”. I’ve seen big 5 and big 6 both referenced. Concorde NASA/Tophat UFA GSA SSA AFU (the line of big 5/6) Concorde, Tophat/NASA, UFA, GSA and SSA are the biggest clubs. AFU has ECNL boys and girls but has been smaller in recent years than the others. For girls Tophat is the best historically with Concorde a very close second. This may not be true going forward with Tophat not having ECNL (has GA) but still is higher in the rankings at the moment. GSA and UFA are next and then SSA. AFU is usually a distant last based on quality of talent and placement of teams in ECNL, but they do have ECNL and are a good club overall. For boys Concorde is likely the best (not including Atlanta United) with UFA also very strong and GSA and NASA too. Seems to me that the boys clubs seem more even but I don't have a boy so that is just what I hear. Thank you. This makes a lot more of what I read here make sense. |
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Apr 10, 2021 2:19:10 GMT -5
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Post by coffee on Apr 10, 2021 2:19:10 GMT -5
...Also, the Roswell top teams would beat the SSA top teams head to head in most age groups (girls). ... Wooo ... I'm not sure that's the case for 06G. Roswell has good offense but the defense is just ok. Roswell needs to put top teams in GAL. I agree with that. I’m wondering if they were so focused on getting into ECRL that they let the GA/DPL opportunity slip away. Then again, while I believe that the ECRL 21/22 seasons are now fixed, maybe it’s not too late for GA or DPL. In my mind the Roswell SC girls teams have proven themselves, and earned their place in a league above SCCL-C. |
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Apr 10, 2021 6:35:06 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 10, 2021 6:35:06 GMT -5
Wooo ... I'm not sure that's the case for 06G. Roswell has good offense but the defense is just ok. Roswell needs to put top teams in GAL. I agree with that. I’m wondering if they were so focused on getting into ECRL that they let the GA/DPL opportunity slip away. Then again, while I believe that the ECRL 21/22 seasons are now fixed, maybe it’s not too late for GA or DPL. In my mind the Roswell SC girls teams have proven themselves, and earned their place in a league above SCCL-C. Agreed. It may be too late for GA. Not sure. But they definitely could do DPL IMO with the hope of getting GA next year. As an aside while we hear of GSA keeping clubs out of ECNL, I have heard NTH was not pleased with certain clubs being added to GA but either did not choose to block them or does not have the power (despite being a founding member). Honestly we have 5 million people in and around Atlanta. We should be able to have 8 or 9 Elite clubs, right? Not saying we do right now but it should be possible to make it so. |
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Post by footyfan on Apr 10, 2021 7:24:30 GMT -5
You might be right ( probably are) that UFA and NASA will not go to MLS Next, at least anytime soon. But if they did that would most definitely be a blow to ECNL -Boys. AU pretty much dominated in the Concord tournament a few weeks ago beating up on their ECNL opponents, and I have heard that the LSA (08 boys) beat AU twice this year. So I think you can arguably say AU & LSA are two of the top boys teams in Georgia and then add UFA and NASA. That’s four real good clubs. Who knows though. Sometimes when you focus so much on one league and trying to keeps others out, ( i.e NTH ) you can’t see the real competition coming. Why wouldn’t “MLS” or MLS like not try to enter girls soccer? I believe that Girls Academy and MLS Next are the replacements for the Boys and Girls USSF Dev Academies, just under USYS instead of USSF. Girls Academy = MLS for all intents and purposes. |
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Apr 10, 2021 8:09:21 GMT -5
My daughter plays at GSA and I think is always been the perspective that GSA & Concord are ECNL What I am curious to see is on the boys side if a UFA and or NASA jump to MLS Next what happens to ECNL- Boys. If you add UFA & NASA to AU & LSA that clearly trumps ECNL with GSA, Concord and AFU. No? I'd be surprised if both UFA and NASA jump to MLS Next. Perhaps one... but not both. Also, if either or both did, what makes you think they lose ECNL? Perhaps they move their first teams to MLS Next and have the second teams play ECNL (similar to the previous year's DA/ENCL structure). I'm not sure how competitive clubs other than AU are in MLS. Does anyone know how SSA, LSA, or Inter have done? I've heard Inter haven't won a game - no word on the others. So, no... I don't think it would trump ECNL - at least not yet. SSA has not done well. Not sure they have won a MLS Next league game yet at U16, U17, U19. The league has been very poorly run so far. No advance schedule. Get notified 2-3 weeks in advance. And TONS of travel. Doesn't seem to be a Home and Away structure as SSA has only played AU at home. Every other game so far has been out of state. Maybe they will figure things out a little better by next year but it was not fun being a guinea pig this year. |
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Apr 10, 2021 8:50:12 GMT -5
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Post by ball2futbol on Apr 10, 2021 8:50:12 GMT -5
Wooo ... I'm not sure that's the case for 06G. Roswell has good offense but the defense is just ok. Roswell needs to put top teams in GAL. I agree with that. I’m wondering if they were so focused on getting into ECRL that they let the GA/DPL opportunity slip away. Then again, while I believe that the ECRL 21/22 seasons are now fixed, maybe it’s not too late for GA or DPL. In my mind the Roswell SC girls teams have proven themselves, and earned their place in a league above SCCL-C. Definitely disappointed RSC has not announced a move up the competition ladder but they’ve always been smart about making any moves as it relates to the entire club. Those SCCL -C teams did well but it’s a cliff dive once you go beyond them, of which most of those girls have stuck together over the years. There’s a reason why volume is a commodity in this area, without it clubs must be more calculated. They can easily play at the DPL / ECRL levels but the farm team is severely lacking. |
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Apr 10, 2021 12:10:44 GMT -5
Post by soccernotfootball on Apr 10, 2021 12:10:44 GMT -5
I guess it’s not as big a secret as I thought 😉.... 🤫 it’s all about ECNL How about some breaking news... that's a bit of the forum's purpose!!! |
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Apr 10, 2021 13:01:33 GMT -5
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Post by soccerparent02 on Apr 10, 2021 13:01:33 GMT -5
DA was a cluster as far as results for the mens aNd ECNL was and is still the top league for girls. At this point ECNL is tops for boys as well. MLS run teams are on par with top ECNL but with a different purpose. MLS Next is still a huge questiin. I think parents and players are not so sold any more. Look at original AU class...only 1 has developed into a player for top club. AU again has gone out and purchased a team rather than developing.
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Apr 10, 2021 13:04:35 GMT -5
Post by soccernotfootball on Apr 10, 2021 13:04:35 GMT -5
If MLS tiers the next league with an MLS only tier, no way NASA/UFA goes near it now they could be sold a bill of goods and told "no, we have no intentions of creating a tiered approach" and then bam MLS tiers it..... call me crazy but I also think concorde, nasa, and concorde leadership at this point would consult one another, and all jump or not. So, over some tea, it may have be spilled that a couple of local Big 5 clubs have been given the MLS-Next license. However, much like you can do with some college admissions, it can be deferred for up to a year before MLS-Next will revoke. They will reassess in under a year and give a go or no-go. Does that mean they will walk away from ECNL Boys, nope not saying that and frankly I think that would be foolish on their part as long as they are not required to... 🙊🙈🙉 Additionally, I've also heard the MLS academies are trying to figure out how to create an MLS only league play within the MLS-Next infrastructure. No clarification from folks yet if that will just be the replacement for or in addition to the traditional MLS GA Cup at U15s and 17s only... SPILL!!!! ;-) |
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Post by hattrick07 on Apr 11, 2021 10:48:26 GMT -5
quote author=" notcrazysoccerdad" source="/post/59340/thread" timestamp="1617898057"] Yeah, there's a lot at play. Girls: Frankly, we know Concorde's ECNL Platinum teams are cream of the crop in the state and do well nationally. Concorde's Premier ECNL teams will likely be little weaker next year, some of the existing ECNL Premier players will move to SSA's GAL teams. They will have to promote some SCCL-C players to ECNL Premier making their new ECRL Platinum teams weaker and move their SCCL-P1/P2 teams into ECRL Premier after promoting some of those players to the ECRL Platinum team. I think CF won one SCCL-C bracket. But I understand they're hoping to recruit...we will have to see how that goes. I don't know why anyone would pick a 2nd team in a league over a first team from another club (ECNL or ECRL). I doubt CF's Premier teams do particularly well next year, but will see. Otherwise this is a good move. They should have moved the SC clubs into the Southeast division just to balance it out and create a 14-game home-and-away schedule for both leagues. FC Alliance had no business in this league, their SCCL-C teams were pretty atrocious. So our state is divided where 8 of the 9 biggest clubs in ECNL/GAL (I know Inter isn't in GAL yet...surely its just a matter of time). ECNL Pyramid: AFU, Concorde, GSA, UFA GAL Pyramid: AFC, Inter, NTH, SSA Does Roswell take their SCCL bracket winners and go back to GA Soccer/NL? Good luck to everyone in their respective leagues. Is it confirmed that Concorde will have 2 ECNL teams under their actual control (vs. prior years when the Premier team was really run by SSA?) Do they then have an ECRL team under each of those as well (which is how I read the above post)? [/quote] My 2 cents... Concorde should conduct tryouts with the goal of fielding 2 top teams. For example, if Platinum has 2 excellent players who play the same position - one should play Platinum and the one Premier. Don’t field 2 top players for the same position with one not getting the playing time they should be getting. That should happen across all positions. Then, both Platinum and Premier could be competing with each other for top rankings. This is especially true since Concorde is now managing/coaching both teams this year - and SSA is no longer in the equation. |
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Apr 11, 2021 11:12:17 GMT -5
Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Apr 11, 2021 11:12:17 GMT -5
www.concordefire.com/_files/ECNL%20Girls%20South%20Atlantic%20Regional%20League%20Announcement_2.pdfConcorde definitely has 2 teams in ECRL. The question then becomes - which locations will those teams come out of? Obviously one will be from Central. Will they look to Columbus for the 2nd teams after the merger with Red Star? With SSA dropping the Concorde/ECNL arrangement but Concorde keeping that 2nd ECNL team, based on what I'm hearing from Concorde parents is that the 2nd team will be played out of Central, comprising of some combination of their top SCCL-C players and some of the former SSA players who want to continue playing ECNL.
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Apr 11, 2021 11:53:57 GMT -5
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Post by roki12 on Apr 11, 2021 11:53:57 GMT -5
quote author=" notcrazysoccerdad" source="/post/59340/thread" timestamp="1617898057"] Yeah, there's a lot at play. Girls: Frankly, we know Concorde's ECNL Platinum teams are cream of the crop in the state and do well nationally. Concorde's Premier ECNL teams will likely be little weaker next year, some of the existing ECNL Premier players will move to SSA's GAL teams. They will have to promote some SCCL-C players to ECNL Premier making their new ECRL Platinum teams weaker and move their SCCL-P1/P2 teams into ECRL Premier after promoting some of those players to the ECRL Platinum team. I think CF won one SCCL-C bracket. But I understand they're hoping to recruit...we will have to see how that goes. I don't know why anyone would pick a 2nd team in a league over a first team from another club (ECNL or ECRL). I doubt CF's Premier teams do particularly well next year, but will see. Otherwise this is a good move. They should have moved the SC clubs into the Southeast division just to balance it out and create a 14-game home-and-away schedule for both leagues. FC Alliance had no business in this league, their SCCL-C teams were pretty atrocious. So our state is divided where 8 of the 9 biggest clubs in ECNL/GAL (I know Inter isn't in GAL yet...surely its just a matter of time). ECNL Pyramid: AFU, Concorde, GSA, UFA GAL Pyramid: AFC, Inter, NTH, SSA Does Roswell take their SCCL bracket winners and go back to GA Soccer/NL? Good luck to everyone in their respective leagues. Is it confirmed that Concorde will have 2 ECNL teams under their actual control (vs. prior years when the Premier team was really run by SSA?) Do they then have an ECRL team under each of those as well (which is how I read the above post)? My 2 cents... Concorde should conduct tryouts with the goal of fielding 2 top teams. For example, if Platinum has 2 excellent players who play the same position - one should play Platinum and the one Premier. Don’t field 2 top players for the same position with one not getting the playing time they should be getting. That should happen across all positions. Then, both Platinum and Premier could be competing with each other for top rankings. This is especially true since Concorde is now managing/coaching both teams this year - and SSA is no longer in the equation. [/quote] This is the best approach that I have heard. It’s a shift in perspective though and clubs don’t seem to like new ideas. Also, not sure if then the drop off in the subs for platinum is too big. |
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Apr 11, 2021 15:26:08 GMT -5
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Post by ball2futbol on Apr 11, 2021 15:26:08 GMT -5
quote author=" notcrazysoccerdad" source="/post/59340/thread" timestamp="1617898057"] Yeah, there's a lot at play. Girls: Frankly, we know Concorde's ECNL Platinum teams are cream of the crop in the state and do well nationally. Concorde's Premier ECNL teams will likely be little weaker next year, some of the existing ECNL Premier players will move to SSA's GAL teams. They will have to promote some SCCL-C players to ECNL Premier making their new ECRL Platinum teams weaker and move their SCCL-P1/P2 teams into ECRL Premier after promoting some of those players to the ECRL Platinum team. I think CF won one SCCL-C bracket. But I understand they're hoping to recruit...we will have to see how that goes. I don't know why anyone would pick a 2nd team in a league over a first team from another club (ECNL or ECRL). I doubt CF's Premier teams do particularly well next year, but will see. Otherwise this is a good move. They should have moved the SC clubs into the Southeast division just to balance it out and create a 14-game home-and-away schedule for both leagues. FC Alliance had no business in this league, their SCCL-C teams were pretty atrocious. So our state is divided where 8 of the 9 biggest clubs in ECNL/GAL (I know Inter isn't in GAL yet...surely its just a matter of time). ECNL Pyramid: AFU, Concorde, GSA, UFA GAL Pyramid: AFC, Inter, NTH, SSA Does Roswell take their SCCL bracket winners and go back to GA Soccer/NL? Good luck to everyone in their respective leagues. Is it confirmed that Concorde will have 2 ECNL teams under their actual control (vs. prior years when the Premier team was really run by SSA?) Do they then have an ECRL team under each of those as well (which is how I read the above post)? My 2 cents... Concorde should conduct tryouts with the goal of fielding 2 top teams. For example, if Platinum has 2 excellent players who play the same position - one should play Platinum and the one Premier. Don’t field 2 top players for the same position with one not getting the playing time they should be getting. That should happen across all positions. Then, both Platinum and Premier could be competing with each other for top rankings. This is especially true since Concorde is now managing/coaching both teams this year - and SSA is no longer in the equation. [/quote] 🤯 But are they smart enough to make the adjustment? I know a number of TopHat GA- Navy players were offered spots on the Gold team this past season and declined. Each had their individual reasons of course. I think that type of inter-club competition is the best way to elevate the level of play across the board! Pays off come showcase and tournament time! I’ve said before, it’s okay to be top dog in your area but what’s the value, if you’re still coming up short at National showcases/tournaments. |
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Apr 11, 2021 16:49:30 GMT -5
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Post by roki12 on Apr 11, 2021 16:49:30 GMT -5
quote author=" notcrazysoccerdad" source="/post/59340/thread" timestamp="1617898057"]Is it confirmed that Concorde will have 2 ECNL teams under their actual control (vs. prior years when the Premier team was really run by SSA?) Do they then have an ECRL team under each of those as well (which is how I read the above post)? My 2 cents... Concorde should conduct tryouts with the goal of fielding 2 top teams. For example, if Platinum has 2 excellent players who play the same position - one should play Platinum and the one Premier. Don’t field 2 top players for the same position with one not getting the playing time they should be getting. That should happen across all positions. Then, both Platinum and Premier could be competing with each other for top rankings. This is especially true since Concorde is now managing/coaching both teams this year - and SSA is no longer in the equation. 🤯 But are they smart enough to make the adjustment? I know a number of TopHat GA- Navy players were offered spots on the Gold team this past season and declined. Each had their individual reasons of course. I think that type of inter-club competition is the best way to elevate the level of play across the board! Pays off come showcase and tournament time! I’ve said before, it’s okay to be top dog in your area but what’s the value, if you’re still coming up short at National showcases/tournaments. [/quote] This is how TH does it, at least in academy, to the point the last couple of years they have had such strong players they have had GOLD 1 and GOLD 2 teams. They also still move players up from navy to gold in GA. I wonder if that will be allowed at CF (to move players up or down on the ECNL/ECRL teams) |
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Apr 11, 2021 17:03:10 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 11, 2021 17:03:10 GMT -5
My 2 cents... Concorde should conduct tryouts with the goal of fielding 2 top teams. For example, if Platinum has 2 excellent players who play the same position - one should play Platinum and the one Premier. Don’t field 2 top players for the same position with one not getting the playing time they should be getting. That should happen across all positions. Then, both Platinum and Premier could be competing with each other for top rankings. This is especially true since Concorde is now managing/coaching both teams this year - and SSA is no longer in the equation. 🤯 But are they smart enough to make the adjustment? I know a number of TopHat GA- Navy players were offered spots on the Gold team this past season and declined. Each had their individual reasons of course. I think that type of inter-club competition is the best way to elevate the level of play across the board! Pays off come showcase and tournament time! I’ve said before, it’s okay to be top dog in your area but what’s the value, if you’re still coming up short at National showcases/tournaments. This is how TH does it, at least in academy, to the point the last couple of years they have had such strong players they have had GOLD 1 and GOLD 2 teams. They also still move players up from navy to gold in GA. I wonder if that will be allowed at CF (to move players up or down on the ECNL/ECRL teams)[/quote] With the injuries, etc this year Tophat 04 Gold had players from 04 Navy and 05 Gold in the freezing cold Texas showcase. Regardless though I can see why CF would not do as suggested because they want one of the teams to dominate and if they divide up the best players then the depth will be affected and it could hurt their chances of doing well in Nationals |
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Post by justwatching on Apr 12, 2021 11:14:33 GMT -5
You actually think ECNL is currently deciding who should be added by seeing who performs well in ECRL? Wow, that is great marketing by them. Yes they are in the position of power in youth sports and can be very selective, but I dont think performance in ECRL is it. Maybe that should also use lack of performance in ECNL to remove some clubs... This was brought up last year as Legends and Beach and others were left out of ECNL in the southwest. They were apparently told if they did well in ECRL they would be let back in this year and they did let two of the 4 back in. Also in articles regarding Oklahoma Energy and other Midwest/frontier clubs ECNL was quoted as saying they did well in ECRL so they were allowing entry into ECNL. As an aside GA is doing the same with DPL. It actually makes sense. Now whether they will ever demote/relegate out of ECNL or GA based on poor performance I just don't know, but I doubt it will happen anytime soon Beach and Legends were/are both a top 10 or top 20 club in the nation on probably all rankings. They didn't need to prove it's worth in ECRL to ECNL. The whole promotion evaluation from ECRL to ECNL is good marketing that's all. |
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Apr 12, 2021 11:57:56 GMT -5
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Post by footyfan on Apr 12, 2021 11:57:56 GMT -5
This was brought up last year as Legends and Beach and others were left out of ECNL in the southwest. They were apparently told if they did well in ECRL they would be let back in this year and they did let two of the 4 back in. Also in articles regarding Oklahoma Energy and other Midwest/frontier clubs ECNL was quoted as saying they did well in ECRL so they were allowing entry into ECNL. As an aside GA is doing the same with DPL. It actually makes sense. Now whether they will ever demote/relegate out of ECNL or GA based on poor performance I just don't know, but I doubt it will happen anytime soon Beach and Legends were/are both a top 10 or top 20 club in the nation on probably all rankings. They didn't need to prove it's worth in ECRL to ECNL. The whole promotion evaluation from ECRL to ECNL is good marketing that's all. I think it can be both a way to evaluate clubs AND good marketing. It seems clearly to be the latter, but only sometimes the former. I'm waiting for the day when ECNL rebrands as "NCAA Next". That should push the few, brightest talents overseas. That, and the last agreement the current MLS players locked future MLS players into. |
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Post by justwatching on Apr 12, 2021 14:11:57 GMT -5
As someone new trying to figure all this out is there a clear line on boys and girls side of what are the “Big Clubs”. I’ve seen big 5 and big 6 both referenced. Concorde NASA/Tophat UFA GSA SSA AFU (the line of big 5/6) Concorde, Tophat/NASA, UFA, GSA and SSA are the biggest clubs. AFU has ECNL boys and girls but has been smaller in recent years than the others. For girls Tophat is the best historically with Concorde a very close second. This may not be true going forward with Tophat not having ECNL (has GA) but still is higher in the rankings at the moment. GSA and UFA are next and then SSA. AFU is usually a distant last based on quality of talent and placement of teams in ECNL, but they do have ECNL and are a good club overall. For boys Concorde is likely the best (not including Atlanta United) with UFA also very strong and GSA and NASA too. Seems to me that the boys clubs seem more even but I don't have a boy so that is just what I hear. Is this true for the boys side? If you go by the ECNL standings and the Top 100 club rankings it doesn't quite follow the order you stated. Averaging the standings across age groups for each club this would be your order with average SE conference standing in (): Boys: 1. GSA (3) 2. NASA (3.33333) 3 (tie). UFA (4.1666667) 3 (tie). CF Plat (4.1666667) 5. CF Prem (7.833333) 6. AFU (9.5) Top 100 boys clubs via Soccer Wire (March 2021) www.soccerwire.com/news/soccerwire-top-100-boys-soccer-clubs-march-2021/AU - 4 NASA - 87 GSA - 96 UFA - 98 I think other data points like college signings, number of kids picked up by MLS/other professional academies, etc. should also be considered but looking at what's easily accessible after AU your next best boys clubs in Atlanta seem to be GSA, NASA, and UFA with CF Plat being close to the top three based on records and whatever criteria is used in the club rankings. For the girls it is hard to do the same thing because TH is not in the same league as the others in the big 6 but here are their respective standings GAL TH Gold - (1.5) TH Navy - (4) ECNL CF Plat - (2.166667) GSA - 3 UFA - (7.166667) CF Prem - (7.833333) AFU - (8.666667) Top 100 girls clubs via Soccer Wire (March 2021) www.soccerwire.com/news/soccerwire-top-100-girls-soccer-clubs-march-2021/TH - 2 CF - 21 GSA - 26 UFA - 91 Both TH Gold and CF Plat do very well in their respective leagues. It is hard to tell how close or far away they are from one another. But it does seem like GSA is a club that is doing well and creeping up on CF. There are several ages where GSA and CF Platinum are very close in rankings and it also looks like GSA at the younger ages (2009s and 2010s) might be stronger than CF which position them well to gain ground on the second spot behind TH as far as strongest clubs. |
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Post by coffee on Apr 12, 2021 16:10:16 GMT -5
... If you go by the ECNL standings and the Top 100 club rankings it doesn't quite follow the order you stated. Averaging the standings across age groups for each club this would be your order with average SE conference standing in (): Boys: 1. GSA (3) 2. NASA (3.33333) 3 (tie). UFA (4.1666667) 3 (tie). CF Plat (4.1666667) 5. CF Prem (7.833333) 6. AFU (9.5) Top 100 boys clubs via Soccer Wire (March 2021) www.soccerwire.com/news/soccerwire-top-100-boys-soccer-clubs-march-2021/AU - 4 NASA - 87 GSA - 96 UFA - 98 I think other data points like college signings, number of kids picked up by MLS/other professional academies, etc. should also be considered but looking at what's easily accessible after AU your next best boys clubs in Atlanta seem to be GSA, NASA, and UFA with CF Plat being close to the top three based on records and whatever criteria is used in the club rankings. For the girls it is hard to do the same thing because TH is not in the same league as the others in the big 6 but here are their respective standings GAL TH Gold - (1.5) TH Navy - (4) ECNL CF Plat - (2.166667) GSA - 3 UFA - (7.166667) CF Prem - (7.833333) AFU - (8.666667) Top 100 girls clubs via Soccer Wire (March 2021) www.soccerwire.com/news/soccerwire-top-100-girls-soccer-clubs-march-2021/TH - 2 CF - 21 GSA - 26 UFA - 91 Both TH Gold and CF Plat do very well in their respective leagues. It is hard to tell how close or far away they are from one another. But it does seem like GSA is a club that is doing well and creeping up on CF. There are several ages where GSA and CF Platinum are very close in rankings and it also looks like GSA at the younger ages (2009s and 2010s) might be stronger than CF which position them well to gain ground on the second spot behind TH as far as strongest clubs. Thanks for crunching the numbers! |
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Apr 12, 2021 22:29:18 GMT -5
Post by mindlessphilosopher on Apr 12, 2021 22:29:18 GMT -5
... and it also looks like GSA at the younger ages (2009s and 2010s) might be stronger than CF which position them well to gain ground on the second spot behind TH as far as strongest clubs. Small side note, from what I've observed .... Physical Development It's extremely hard to judge the potential performance of the younger teams given the physical growth years those teams are currently in - several clubs have recruited for size at this age (there are girls the same age that are 6"-12" in height difference and 30 to, yes, 60 pounds difference on the same field) and using that size to overcome their shortcomings in skills. Plus, these kids are playing 9v9 on 7v7 fields (there are very few actual 9v9 fields) and it gets all jammed up and bigger kids have a natural advantage regardless of skill. Girls don't get the refs they deserve Oh, these ladies get refs from the bottom of the barrel, nothing gets called and girls are getting injured as a result (they would never let boys away with the same negligent fouls). Again, yet another advantage that benefits bigger physical teams at this age. A recent competition saw a girl break another girls arm after she marked her and came in late (straight RED in MLS, but apparently not in CONCACAF) taking her down .. didn't even get a yellow or a warning (btw, this was probably her 6th foul and at least second yellow/red worthy foul). I hope this doesn't continue at the older ages. Incomplete Data Until U13 it appears that data across all the ranking sites is extremely reliant on manually input data and auditing for any accuracy. However, one week someone is 200 on SinC, then the next they are top 10, and the next week they are 70 because of an error. "Ooops! We have a duplicate team", because no one audits. Then there are teams that have only played 4 games on SinC and they are ranked in the top 10. Don't get me started on SinC. YSR is much better, but until U13 there are massive inconsistencies because so much still relies on people reporting events and data conflicts. Therefore, its just not a good judge yet. All that said, GSA has picked up some quality coaches in recent years. There's some really close competition right now (as a result of the aforementioned circumstances), but next year you should start to see where these teams really stand as the growth starts to even out. |
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Apr 13, 2021 8:20:18 GMT -5
Post by justwatching on Apr 13, 2021 8:20:18 GMT -5
... and it also looks like GSA at the younger ages (2009s and 2010s) might be stronger than CF which position them well to gain ground on the second spot behind TH as far as strongest clubs. Small side note, from what I've observed .... Physical Development It's extremely hard to judge the potential performance of the younger teams given the physical growth years those teams are currently in - several clubs have recruited for size at this age (there are girls the same age that are 6"-12" in height difference and 30 to, yes, 60 pounds difference on the same field) and using that size to overcome their shortcomings in skills. Plus, these kids are playing 9v9 on 7v7 fields (there are very few actual 9v9 fields) and it gets all jammed up and bigger kids have a natural advantage regardless of skill. Girls don't get the refs they deserve Oh, these ladies get refs from the bottom of the barrel, nothing gets called and girls are getting injured as a result (they would never let boys away with the same negligent fouls). Again, yet another advantage that benefits bigger physical teams at this age. A recent competition saw a girl break another girls arm after she marked her and came in late (straight RED in MLS, but apparently not in CONCACAF) taking her down .. didn't even get a yellow or a warning (btw, this was probably her 6th foul and at least second yellow/red worthy foul). I hope this doesn't continue at the older ages. Incomplete Data Until U13 it appears that data across all the ranking sites is extremely reliant on manually input data and auditing for any accuracy. However, one week someone is 200 on SinC, then the next they are top 10, and the next week they are 70 because of an error. "Ooops! We have a duplicate team", because no one audits. Then there are teams that have only played 4 games on SinC and they are ranked in the top 10. Don't get me started on SinC. YSR is much better, but until U13 there are massive inconsistencies because so much still relies on people reporting events and data conflicts. Therefore, its just not a good judge yet. All that said, GSA has picked up some quality coaches in recent years. There's some really close competition right now (as a result of the aforementioned circumstances), but next year you should start to see where these teams really stand as the growth starts to even out. Thanks for that and I agree with you. My comment about the younger teams at GSA being stronger than CF currently has nothing to do with rankings in Sinc/GotSoccer, etc. I agree many things happen between 7v7, 9v9 before getting to 11v11 and absolute conclusions cannot be made but as of right now GSA is positioned well with their 08s, 09s, and 2010s being strong sides. This bodes well for the future of their club. They have also made some considerable gains on the 07 side. The last two matches the 07 results versus CF Plat has been 1 win and 1 tie for GSA (you notice I didn't say GSA is the better of the two in this age group even though GSA has not lost to CF Plat 07s this year because I don't think they are). I would venture to say without the "luck" of inheriting the CF Plat. 07 team GSA might claim the advantage there as well. GSA overall club rankings on the "Top 100 clubs" has also closed what was previously a very significant gap. My only point is just that in coming up with club rankings etc. in Atlanta GSA for the girls is moving in a positive direction and closing the gap on Concorde it seems. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 13, 2021 8:59:24 GMT -5
Not by any means accurate, but I think GSA has some serious fertile huge area they cover. Dark blue square - SSA Yellow triangle - NASA Red Circles and Oval - concorde Black rectangle - UFA grey oval - AFU Green rectangle - GSA  |
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Apr 13, 2021 12:52:53 GMT -5
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Post by rudy on Apr 13, 2021 12:52:53 GMT -5
GSA has all the way to Morgan County covered including Conyers and Covington.
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Apr 13, 2021 13:59:19 GMT -5
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Post by atv on Apr 13, 2021 13:59:19 GMT -5
GSA has all the way to Morgan County covered including Conyers and Covington. and Jackson, Clarke, and Oconee Counties. GSA and AFU both pull kids out of these areas for ECNL and SCCL but especially girls just based on numbers needed to field competitive girls teams. |
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Apr 13, 2021 14:11:02 GMT -5
Post by mightydawg on Apr 13, 2021 14:11:02 GMT -5
Not by any means accurate, but I think GSA has some serious fertile huge area they cover. Dark blue square - SSA Yellow triangle - NASA Red Circles and Oval - concorde Black rectangle - UFA grey oval - AFU Green rectangle - GSA Where is the Concorde circle headed to Columbus? |
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Apr 13, 2021 15:56:40 GMT -5
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Post by atlantasoccerdad2020 on Apr 13, 2021 15:56:40 GMT -5
GSA has all the way to Morgan County covered including Conyers and Covington. RYSA grabs some of those players. |
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Apr 13, 2021 20:03:19 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 13, 2021 20:03:19 GMT -5
Not by any means accurate, but I think GSA has some serious fertile huge area they cover. Dark blue square - SSA Yellow triangle - NASA Red Circles and Oval - concorde Black rectangle - UFA grey oval - AFU Green rectangle - GSA Nice idea but the map is too small. Players come from farther away than you indicated to UFA and NASA (particularly Tophat side) also draws kids from very far away. If you are going to extend the area for GSA so far east you need to extend farther north for UFA and AFU. |
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Apr 13, 2021 21:06:12 GMT -5
Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 13, 2021 21:06:12 GMT -5
yes, i know its a complex venn diagram then extends in to Alabama and South Carolina and probably tenn.
I know people from Dallas that play at UFA.
I know people from east of snellville that play at concorde.
I know kids from south atlanta that play at tophat.
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