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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 27, 2021 17:51:08 GMT -5
Alex Morgan didnt start playing soccer in till she was 14. I would say she’s done pretty well for herself. She played youth soccer for her dad and through AYSO teams and leagues starting at like age 6. Since it’s AYSO is a competitor to USYS everyone just assumes it’s not “real” soccer. I believe that she said in her book that she was 13 before she tried out (and failed to make) a club soccer team. Her dad did coach her on rec teams and he knew nothing about soccer at all until he started to study it once she showed that she would stick with it. I agree with the other poster that she has speed (not really size since she is only 5'7" which is not exactly size). I would also agree that her touch is not the greatest. She also admits to be deficient at headers when she started on the national team. She is also a lefty which is an advantage. Let's get back on topic though. Please post any scores from tonight. Also for those interested the NCAA tournament started! |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 27, 2021 17:54:19 GMT -5
Did you know that there are VERY few places to play soccer in your free time, without a paid coach? Speaking for Gwinnett residents. As most fields are locked because clubs maintain the fields. Take pickneyville park, great place to play soccer, but only for those that play with UFA. Try calling Gwinnett and see how many places you can “grind” in your free time... Hard to get better and train like the affluent when you can’t even find a field. The lack of field access is very true. Grind on the footskills which take little room. Work on fitness in the street or running trails. You really don't need a field until you are looking to work on shooting or first touch on long balls and passing long balls. What I think girls need instruction on is slide tackling and using their bodies successfully. I see too many girls put their knees at risk with bad positioning. |
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Post by rifle on Apr 27, 2021 17:55:30 GMT -5
Did you know that there are VERY few places to play soccer in your free time, without a paid coach? Speaking for Gwinnett residents. As most fields are locked because clubs maintain the fields. Take pickneyville park, great place to play soccer, but only for those that play with UFA. Try calling Gwinnett and see how many places you can “grind” in your free time... Hard to get better and train like the affluent when you can’t even find a field. You can just buy a field, right? Or go to Roswell parks. |
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Post by goalsforsoccer on Apr 27, 2021 18:04:59 GMT -5
Did you know that there are VERY few places to play soccer in your free time, without a paid coach? Speaking for Gwinnett residents. As most fields are locked because clubs maintain the fields. Take pickneyville park, great place to play soccer, but only for those that play with UFA. Try calling Gwinnett and see how many places you can “grind” in your free time... Hard to get better and train like the affluent when you can’t even find a field. The lack of field access is very true. Grind on the footskills which take little room. Work on fitness in the street or running trails. You really don't need a field until you are looking to work on shooting or first touch on long balls and passing long balls. What I think girls need instruction on is slide tackling and using their bodies successfully. I see too many girls put their knees at risk with bad positioning. You are right, you can do some things on your own and many do. It is frustrating that county owned parks aren’t for everyone though. Kids need a place to gather and play, without a locked fence. My kid isn’t in an HOA with a community center and green space. The closest unlocked field for my kid to play on was over 20 minutes away. Shorty Howell, Bunten Road, Pickneyville...ALL locked. |
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Post by bogan on Apr 27, 2021 18:14:49 GMT -5
You mean you guys don’t have 5 acre lots? We may not have ECNL, but we got space out here...cleaner air, too. Good luck in the playoffs.
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Post by goalsforsoccer on Apr 27, 2021 18:33:47 GMT -5
True. I definitely had a vent session. I’d love for my kids to meet in the street and play some pickup. My neighborhood isn’t there.
I guess in the end, you need space and people to play with. Wish it could be free.
Good luck to all in the playoffs.
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Post by BubbleDad on Apr 27, 2021 20:39:10 GMT -5
Did you know that there are VERY few places to play soccer in your free time, without a paid coach? Speaking for Gwinnett residents. As most fields are locked because clubs maintain the fields. Take pickneyville park, great place to play soccer, but only for those that play with UFA. Try calling Gwinnett and see how many places you can “grind” in your free time... Hard to get better and train like the affluent when you can’t even find a field. The lack of field access is very true. Grind on the footskills which take little room. Work on fitness in the street or running trails. You really don't need a field until you are looking to work on shooting or first touch on long balls and passing long balls. What I think girls need instruction on is slide tackling and using their bodies successfully. I see too many girls put their knees at risk with bad positioning. Amen. Had my daughter watch a slide tackling tutorial. She was resistant at first but does it fearlessly now as a U15er. |
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Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 27, 2021 22:06:25 GMT -5
Just to throw another wrench into the mix about pay to play conversation.... The skills of soccer seems to be the most difficult to master and take years to hone before one can become competent in soccer. Meanwhile, in other sports mentioned, Football and Basketball, there are several stories of players not even entering into the sport until reaching high school. When was the last time (or even 1st time) you EVER heard of a player showing up freshman year and saying I want to try soccer... and then becoming scholarship worthy. I played all these sports growing up, and I'm not trying to demean what it take to be good in any of them, but soccer is unique in that the foundation of skills needed to be successful at an elite level take many years to develop. Football, is very basic... are you coordinated, do you have average speed at least, and most important are you able to take the physical contact? Same as in basketball, sure you need some coordination and athletic prowess, but you can become a pretty proficient shooter with about 6 months of shooting drills. You don't even have to necessarily become proficient in certain aspects like dribbling if you can master other aspects of the game... or are unnaturally tall. I'm not saying there is any fault in paying to have your kids play at the elite levels... heck I'm on this website just like you (if I wasn't paying I wouldn't be). But to deny that kids from affluent areas don't get a huge advantage and tend to have HS teams lead the HS soccer rankings and perform well in state tourneys... that it is all chalked up in the "want to" of the player and parents is a bit of a stretch. Dude that's life. Sounds like you have a problem with life in general. More affluent families give their kids more opportunities to be successful. Which, leads me back to my main point, I don't believe in Equity! You have to get up and work if you want something in life. Not just in terms of a sport. Don't we put our kids in sports to gain valuable life lessons!?! I also don't agree with socialism either and I'm not going to fault a family that can provide for their children. I'm just going to figure out how to give my children the same advantages. If I don't like the school system that they're in then I'll move my kids to a different school district. For the record... I never said anything about equity. I never condemned those that have able to pay and have better and longer coaching. I'm just calling balls and strikes as it relates to affluent areas, their soccer prowess, and the correlation between the two. I'm not a fan of the whole "equity" dogma being spouted in this new paradigm shift as of late. I agree with your principles of hard work to earn something in life. I don't want socialism either and I want to give my kids any advantage I can. I never went down the path you seemed to want to take, because my statement isn't about those things. It's simply stating what my eyes tell me... Players from affluent areas have the advantages you and I are able to afford them, and it shows up in the schools that affluent players attend. So please, calm your jets... we probably see more eye to eye than you think. |
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Apr 28, 2021 6:33:59 GMT -5
Okay so know back to the topic at hand. Who do you guy have as winners tonight? I see Lassiter, North Atlanta, Cambridge, Riverwood and Johns Creek moving on. What are your thoughts?
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Post by unitedwestand on Apr 28, 2021 10:53:59 GMT -5
Dude that's life. Sounds like you have a problem with life in general. More affluent families give their kids more opportunities to be successful. Which, leads me back to my main point, I don't believe in Equity! You have to get up and work if you want something in life. Not just in terms of a sport. Don't we put our kids in sports to gain valuable life lessons!?! I also don't agree with socialism either and I'm not going to fault a family that can provide for their children. I'm just going to figure out how to give my children the same advantages. If I don't like the school system that they're in then I'll move my kids to a different school district. For the record... I never said anything about equity. I never condemned those that have able to pay and have better and longer coaching. I'm just calling balls and strikes as it relates to affluent areas, their soccer prowess, and the correlation between the two. I'm not a fan of the whole "equity" dogma being spouted in this new paradigm shift as of late. I agree with your principles of hard work to earn something in life. I don't want socialism either and I want to give my kids any advantage I can. I never went down the path you seemed to want to take, because my statement isn't about those things. It's simply stating what my eyes tell me... Players from affluent areas have the advantages you and I are able to afford them, and it shows up in the schools that affluent players attend. So please, calm your jets... we probably see more eye to eye than you think. Maybe I misinterpreted what you were saying and I apologize for that. But it's obvious that money is advantageous. And my point is thats with everything in life. That was my only point and maybe I didn't express that very well. |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Apr 28, 2021 11:46:07 GMT -5
Okay so know back to the topic at hand. Who do you guy have as winners tonight? I see Lassiter, North Atlanta, Cambridge, Riverwood and Johns Creek moving on. What are your thoughts? Grovetown, Cambridge, Buford, North Atlanta, Johns Creek, Houston County, Riverwood, Lakeside |
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Post by kidsocceruber on Apr 28, 2021 12:29:20 GMT -5
Lee County, Cambridge, Buford, Glynn Academy, Johns Creek, Houston County, Lakeside, Lanier
There definitely were some weak region, as someone mentioned earlier(and I know it's subjective), but I'd love to see them at least re-seed the 32 teams after they're set if they can't just have a selection committee like the NCAA.
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Post by roki12 on Apr 28, 2021 15:20:54 GMT -5
For the record... I never said anything about equity. I never condemned those that have able to pay and have better and longer coaching. I'm just calling balls and strikes as it relates to affluent areas, their soccer prowess, and the correlation between the two. I'm not a fan of the whole "equity" dogma being spouted in this new paradigm shift as of late. I agree with your principles of hard work to earn something in life. I don't want socialism either and I want to give my kids any advantage I can. I never went down the path you seemed to want to take, because my statement isn't about those things. It's simply stating what my eyes tell me... Players from affluent areas have the advantages you and I are able to afford them, and it shows up in the schools that affluent players attend. So please, calm your jets... we probably see more eye to eye than you think. Maybe I misinterpreted what you were saying and I apologize for that. But it's obvious that money is advantageous. And my point is thats with everything in life. That was my only point and maybe I didn't express that very well. Huge difference between equality and equity. You can give two different kids a scholarship, but maybe it doesn’t matter because one of the kids doesn’t have transportation to get to practice or has to work to help with bills. I don’t fault the family with means for giving their kids every advantage but don’t kid yourself that it’s equal. Until we can accept / address the US will always have a pay to play problem |
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Post by justwatching on Apr 28, 2021 15:35:42 GMT -5
Maybe I misinterpreted what you were saying and I apologize for that. But it's obvious that money is advantageous. And my point is thats with everything in life. That was my only point and maybe I didn't express that very well. Huge difference between equality and equity. You can give two different kids a scholarship, but maybe it doesn’t matter because one of the kids doesn’t have transportation to get to practice or has to work to help with bills. I don’t fault the family with means for giving their kids every advantage but don’t kid yourself that it’s equal. Until we can accept / address the US will always have a pay to play problem Thank you! |
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Post by unitedwestand on Apr 28, 2021 16:51:46 GMT -5
Maybe I misinterpreted what you were saying and I apologize for that. But it's obvious that money is advantageous. And my point is thats with everything in life. That was my only point and maybe I didn't express that very well. Huge difference between equality and equity. You can give two different kids a scholarship, but maybe it doesn’t matter because one of the kids doesn’t have transportation to get to practice or has to work to help with bills. I don’t fault the family with means for giving their kids every advantage but don’t kid yourself that it’s equal. Until we can accept / address the US will always have a pay to play problem Are you still dragging this out. We're done with this conversation. Life isn't fair. It's really that simple. |
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Post by roki12 on Apr 28, 2021 17:06:57 GMT -5
Huge difference between equality and equity. You can give two different kids a scholarship, but maybe it doesn’t matter because one of the kids doesn’t have transportation to get to practice or has to work to help with bills. I don’t fault the family with means for giving their kids every advantage but don’t kid yourself that it’s equal. Until we can accept / address the US will always have a pay to play problem Are you still dragging this out. We're done with this conversation. Life isn't fair. It's really that simple. Ha ha ... ok |
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Apr 28, 2021 18:03:11 GMT -5
My Lord. I gave Buford no respect because I thought they haven't played anyone. But 50 minutes in and Lassiter down 4-0. Cambridge and John Creek better watch out. These guys are good
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Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 28, 2021 18:14:01 GMT -5
Maybe I misinterpreted what you were saying and I apologize for that. But it's obvious that money is advantageous. And my point is thats with everything in life. That was my only point and maybe I didn't express that very well. Huge difference between equality and equity. You can give two different kids a scholarship, but maybe it doesn’t matter because one of the kids doesn’t have transportation to get to practice or has to work to help with bills. I don’t fault the family with means for giving their kids every advantage but don’t kid yourself that it’s equal. Until we can accept / address the US will always have a pay to play problem I would suggest a separate topic be started if you want to take this diverted conversation further on this board. Your right, equity is not the same as equality of opportunity. Hence, the scholarships that are offered. Some start with less or have more sacrifices they have to make than others, but everyone has the equal opportunity to achieve success in this great country. It is not an injustice but rather a part of life. |
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Post by rifle on Apr 28, 2021 20:12:26 GMT -5
My Lord. I gave Buford no respect because I thought they haven't played anyone. But 50 minutes in and Lassiter down 4-0. Cambridge and John Creek better watch out. These guys are good Dang that sucks. Sounds like the girls did the same. |
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Post by kidsocceruber on Apr 28, 2021 21:20:08 GMT -5
My Lord. I gave Buford no respect because I thought they haven't played anyone. But 50 minutes in and Lassiter down 4-0. Cambridge and John Creek better watch out. These guys are good Dang that sucks. Sounds like the girls did the same. He meant the girls, Lassiter boys lost 2-1 to River Ridge 1st round. The Lassiter girls team is good and while I thought they'd lose to Buford I too didn't think Buford played a whole lot of tough games. Looks like they're the team to beat in that tough bracket. |
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Post by BubbleDad on Apr 28, 2021 22:57:11 GMT -5
Is there a link I can use to see the playoff standings so far?
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Post by BubbleDad on Apr 28, 2021 23:04:28 GMT -5
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Post by rifle on Apr 29, 2021 5:26:27 GMT -5
Dang that sucks. Sounds like the girls did the same. He meant the girls, Lassiter boys lost 2-1 to River Ridge 1st round. The Lassiter girls team is good and while I thought they'd lose to Buford I too didn't think Buford played a whole lot of tough games. Looks like they're the team to beat in that tough bracket. I meant it sounds like Lassiter girls underestimated Buford (like the parent, GK dad admitted doing). |
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Post by kidsocceruber on Apr 29, 2021 6:29:11 GMT -5
He meant the girls, Lassiter boys lost 2-1 to River Ridge 1st round. The Lassiter girls team is good and while I thought they'd lose to Buford I too didn't think Buford played a whole lot of tough games. Looks like they're the team to beat in that tough bracket. I meant it sounds like Lassiter girls underestimated Buford (like the parent, GK dad admitted doing). Nobody will do that again  |
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Post by dadofthree on Apr 29, 2021 8:05:42 GMT -5
The thing is we are parents might under estimate a team but the girls especially the ones who have played with the star players know better. My daughters knew before the Lassiter game (they are at Chattahoochee) that if they happened to win they were done against Buford.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Apr 29, 2021 8:15:10 GMT -5
The thing is we are parents might under estimate a team but the girls especially the ones who have played with the star players know better. My daughters knew before the Lassiter game (they are at Chattahoochee) that if they happened to win they were done against Buford. Agree. Buford is pretty stacked with top level players. I would never have under estimated them. Cambridge is stacked too. |
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Apr 29, 2021 8:21:00 GMT -5
The thing is we are parents might under estimate a team but the girls especially the ones who have played with the star players know better. My daughters knew before the Lassiter game (they are at Chattahoochee) that if they happened to win they were done against Buford. Agree. Buford is pretty stacked with top level players. I would never have under estimated them. Cambridge is stacked too. I knew they had good players but I assumed because their schedule that we would have a shot. I did think we would win but that changed quickly. They were hungry and they killed our confidence when they went up 2-0. Look forward to seeing what they can do. Wouldn't mind saying we lost to the eventual champs. But still a long way to go with some great teams still in it. Hate to see my daughter not in the mix but will love seeing her friends play. She has friends at almost every remaining school so she will be happy for someone |
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Post by varsitycoach on Apr 29, 2021 8:29:00 GMT -5
Getting exciting now! Should be some very good matches next week.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 29, 2021 8:32:09 GMT -5
The thing is we are parents might under estimate a team but the girls especially the ones who have played with the star players know better. My daughters knew before the Lassiter game (they are at Chattahoochee) that if they happened to win they were done against Buford. Agree. Buford is pretty stacked with top level players. I would never have under estimated them. Cambridge is stacked too. Let's be honest. How many sports is Buford NOT stacked in? I mean they have multiple football final four appearances. I know their girls softball team won state recently. Their cross country is always strong. Their basketball usually does pretty well too. I am sure Buford people could tell me many more... |
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Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 29, 2021 10:08:24 GMT -5
Agree. Buford is pretty stacked with top level players. I would never have under estimated them. Cambridge is stacked too. Let's be honest. How many sports is Buford NOT stacked in? I mean they have multiple football final four appearances. I know their girls softball team won state recently. Their cross country is always strong. Their basketball usually does pretty well too. I am sure Buford people could tell me many more... Not to mention that Mill Creek is located in Buford as well and... they were undefeated in 7A and only lost to W.Forsyth 2-1 and have a National team player there too. If not for the Region matchups they should have advanced much further. |
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