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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 24, 2021 15:43:01 GMT -5
Their comments clearly show their dislike for our country. Read their comments in context. They could also set the record straight… no ? I also find it ironic that you scold me for not having respect for someone’s opinion and then with your very next posts you scold someone for their post HA — It just seems hypocritical to say you don't care and yet you go to the thread. Not really a scold IMO. If that is a scold then I would say that is a bit soft. I respect your right to have your opinions. It is clear that you do not feel there is systemic racism. That is fine that you don't think so. I used to think the same thing as you do but having more exposure to this issue by living in the south I have changed my mind. I happen to know one of those posters very well and can tell you for a fact that they don't hate the US not are teaching their kids to hate the US. The other poster I don't know as well but I have read the posts in context for the last several years I have been on this board and not one time did I think they hated the US not said other countries were better. |
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Post by rifle on Jul 24, 2021 16:41:21 GMT -5
We live in a time when people think repetition = reality. This is exacerbated by the social media echo chamber - driven by algorithms designed to feed more of the same or whatever generates a fight. If you elect not to listen and learn from opposing views, but simply dismiss them as wrong.. you really miss out.
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Post by BubbleDad on Jul 24, 2021 17:00:58 GMT -5
soccerloafer, I admire your trying, but unfortunately people like bubbledad & mistergrinch don’t really like our country too much. I just wonder if they are teaching that perspective to their kids. As I said the US is anything but perfect and we have some horrible history, (all countries do) but what country is greater than ours? I think your perspective is distorted. I have never seen a post by either of the aforementioned people that says they don't like our country. As someone else mentioned on one of these threads, you can still love someone or something that you still think has some faults. As you just admitted that we have some horrible history here, but that you still love the country. What makes you think that they don't? As a secondary question, since you brought up the horrible history, have we resolved every problem related to our history? Have we solved every problem that is NOT related to our history? I think you know the answer to that... Please have some respect for others having differing opinions without resorting to tactics that basically amount to name calling. Thank you. |
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Post by Keeper on Jul 24, 2021 17:44:57 GMT -5
I am just so happy that they people who said the kneeling caused the loss to Sweden are now pointing out how the USWNT is so right after beating NZ 6-1. It works that way, correct? Well, they did actually stand for the anthem this time, so there's that. Didn't watch, but saw a news report. Maybe there is something to the whole team unity angle. They stood for the anthem before the Sweden game too. Like nearly every other game. They only kneeled at kickoff with the entire Sweden team, just like the Men at Euros, the EPL, Bundisliga, and countless other leagues this year. |
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Post by papacoach on Jul 24, 2021 19:10:59 GMT -5
Beating NZL wasn’t anything special essentially since NZL committed 2 own goals; I don’t recall the last victory NZL has had over the US team in years past.
kneeing on the pitch does what again other than possibly losing viewership and distract?
Has any of the Men’s teams knelt or any other sports have bended knee athletes like the US women’s team?
I randomly watched volleyball, rowing, archery, table tennis, weightlifting, swimming and skateboarding .. I don’t recall any sightings of bended knee/SJW moments in these sports but I could mistaken though.. the Iranian and Chinese gold medalists sure didn’t have a bended knee moment so far..
Play the game and leave politics off the field of play.. No wonder the men’s game has a higher viewership and revenue draw.
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Post by Keeper on Jul 24, 2021 19:35:14 GMT -5
Beating NZL wasn’t anything special essentially since NZL committed 2 own goals; I don’t recall the last victory NZL has had over the US team in years past. kneeing on the pitch does what again other than possibly losing viewership and distract? Has any of the Men’s teams knelt or any other sports have bended knee athletes like the US women’s team? I randomly watched volleyball, rowing, archery, table tennis, weightlifting, swimming and skateboarding .. I don’t recall any sightings of bended knee/SJW moments in these sports but I could mistaken though.. the Iranian and Chinese gold medalists sure didn’t have a bended knee moment so far.. Play the game and leave politics off the field of play.. No wonder the men’s game has a higher viewership and revenue draw. So it was okay for every Men’s EPL team (as well as others) to take a knee for every single game in the last year but not a couple women’s teams, track runners and multiple other olympians from a dozen nations? |
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Post by papacoach on Jul 24, 2021 19:50:04 GMT -5
Bring it back to the topic of 2021 Olympics and provide sport(s) and athlete(s) IF u can
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Post by Keeper on Jul 24, 2021 20:12:59 GMT -5
Bring it back to the topic of 2021 Olympics and provide sport(s) and athlete(s) IF u can The British, Chilean, Sweden and New Zealand soccer teams. Australians locked arms and took a photo with the Indigenous flag. Keep an eye out for Track and Field athletes, Gwen Berry and Noah Lyles, as they have said they will either kneel or raise their fist in protest of the social injustices. Opening Ceremony was Friday night but expect more as the Games continue. |
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Post by papacoach on Jul 24, 2021 20:18:41 GMT -5
Glad u agree kneeing athletes for any sport(s) is more or less a symbolic gesture with questionable impact off the field of play..
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Post by papacoach on Jul 24, 2021 20:19:54 GMT -5
Standing and locking arms isn’t kneeing
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Post by Keeper on Jul 24, 2021 20:53:18 GMT -5
Standing and locking arms isn’t kneeing So do you just have an issue with kneeling in general? So you’re anti praying too. Or you just don’t understand any type of social protest? |
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Post by papacoach on Jul 24, 2021 21:09:51 GMT -5
So u saying any activism on the field of play is simply symbolic and no real effect off the field by the team and or individual athlete occurs?
Thanks for the confirmation
Kneeing, planking, back flipping, standing on your head, etc.. with no real substance afterwards is probably why some or many change the channel for another sports or entertainment show.
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Post by papacoach on Jul 24, 2021 21:33:44 GMT -5
I knelt a knee in my driveway and then in my kitchen today for senseless loss of life and gender inequality for Sierra Leone people. I wonder if my symbolic kneeing actually helped anyone.., maybe I interlock arms with my neighbors and hold a flag for a photo op tomorrow to see if that changes anything outside our subdivision or community.. just maybe right? 🤔
I bet when I volunteer my time and effects again at Safe Haven, a women and children shelter, real substance occurs beyond empty and symbolic gestures by out spoken public figures.
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Post by ball2futbol on Jul 25, 2021 0:26:41 GMT -5
New Zealand vs USWNT Man, that was a very different game than Sweden. While the Swedes dominated with a very physical, high press type game, New Zealand decided to focus more on compact team defending and counter attack. Maybe they didn’t watch the Sweeden game or didn’t have the personnel to pull off a similar strategy but the US Women absolutely picked them apart! 6 goals with another 4 being called offsides. Dominating performance against a lower ranked squad. This post which I agree with 100% because after watching the replay of the game again with my kids, It helplessly reminds me of a similar comment I made. Which is hearing and personally witnessing ECNL and GA national tournament games. Sweden’s physical and high pressing style wins out over more technical play. Not that they aren’t also technically skilled cause they certainly are but overall it was about their speed of play and conditioning. The local youth teams that got through those alphabet soup league national brackets, in most age groups, are those with a similar style of play. Best example I can give is UFA’s U17 team. Don’t know any of them personally but a talented yet also relentlessly aggressive team with incredible speed of play to match. Hard to setup a technical move when the opposing player has already stepped in your grill and blown you off the ball repeatedly throughout a game. IDK Maybe it’s just me but with the exception of Ertz and Dunn the US national team looked completely out matched physically all game. There’s not a tactical coaching adjustment to counter something like that other than roster moves. Going back to the last time they played Sweden most of us have to admit they should’ve lost that match as well. |
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Post by BubbleDad on Jul 25, 2021 0:35:09 GMT -5
bubbledad, my comment was in response to soccerloafer helping mistergrinch with some accounting 101. But I am sorry you feel that the US is such a horrible country - you might consider moving to Canada. You might want to help make America great to begin with instead of suggesting folks move to another country. That's the problem, dismiss folks ... send them away so things don't change. I am proud of the hard work and contributions my ppl have given to this country. I want to continue to add to that and make sure more children have access to opportunities they have been denied for a long time ... the lack of equal opportunity has held our country back since its existence. |
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Post by ball2futbol on Jul 25, 2021 0:42:03 GMT -5
I knelt a knee in my driveway and then in my kitchen today for senseless loss of life and gender inequality for Sierra Leone people. I wonder if my symbolic kneeing actually helped anyone.., maybe I interlock arms with my neighbors and hold a flag for a photo op tomorrow to see if that changes anything outside our subdivision or community.. just maybe right? 🤔 I bet when I volunteer my time and effects again at Safe Haven, a women and children shelter, real substance occurs beyond empty and symbolic gestures by out spoken public figures. They’re using their platform to address and shed light on things they feel passionately about... the same way you continue to hijack this platform to promote your personal deep rooted prehistoric ideals. I’m sure like me, people on this blog are learning to scroll ahead when your handle appears as a comment, you have the right to do the same with the USWNT. Sounds like you’ve got more in common with Rapinoe than you originally thought! |
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Post by georgiatechalum on Jul 25, 2021 8:30:26 GMT -5
bubbledad, my comment was in response to soccerloafer helping mistergrinch with some accounting 101. But I am sorry you feel that the US is such a horrible country - you might consider moving to Canada. You might want to help make America great to begin with instead of suggesting folks move to another country. That's the problem, dismiss folks ... send them away so things don't change. I am proud of the hard work and contributions my ppl have given to this country. I want to continue to add to that and make sure more children have access to opportunities they have been denied for a long time ... the lack of equal opportunity has held our country back since its existence. |
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Post by georgiatechalum on Jul 25, 2021 8:36:53 GMT -5
@ bubbledad - that’s where we disagree I think America is a great country.You can have the last word on this.
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Post by notcrazysoccerdad on Jul 25, 2021 19:41:07 GMT -5
I am just so happy that they people who said the kneeling caused the loss to Sweden are now pointing out how the USWNT is so right after beating NZ 6-1. It works that way, correct? Well, they did actually stand for the anthem this time, so there's that. Didn't watch, but saw a news report. Maybe there is something to the whole team unity angle. Yeah, whether they stood or not is probably the best indicator of "team unity." For someone that doesn't watch them, they sure seem to occupy a bunch of your mental energy! |
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Post by justhavefun on Jul 25, 2021 22:20:28 GMT -5
Tonight I was at a event with 60-70 people. People of all races, religion, sex, etc. I would say a majority of the people are actively rooting against the USWNT. Several people said they were pissed when they won yesterday. I was shocked by the sediment many had. And I would say it was a large majorly - maybe 80% hoping they get eliminated. I can’t remember when Americans were rooting against Americans.
Then I read this thread, and you have to read this thread in it’s entirety a few times to keep comments in the proper context. There are a few posts where some are obviously Anti- America, Others are Pro- America. Some are defending (denying) those who are pushing anti- America rhetoric even when those who are spouting it are not. People pointing to laws that have been outlawed for 50+ years, white people referring to other white people as having white privilege yet not knowing anything about them, black people referring to “ their people” etc ,etc. All this being said, I can’t help but wonder if this isn’t the making of our politicians and media because it’s good business for them. 🤔
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Post by BubbleDad on Jul 25, 2021 23:54:49 GMT -5
Tonight I was at a event with 60-70 people. People of all races, religion, sex, etc. I would say a majority of the people are actively rooting against the USWNT. Several people said they were pissed when they won yesterday. I was shocked by the sediment many had. And I would say it was a large majorly - maybe 80% hoping they get eliminated. I can’t remember when Americans were rooting against Americans. Then I read this thread, and you have to read this thread in it’s entirety a few times to keep comments in the proper context. There are a few posts where some are obviously Anti- America, Others are Pro- America. Some are defending (denying) those who are pushing anti- America rhetoric even when those who are spouting it are not. People pointing to laws that have been outlawed for 50+ years, white people referring to other white people as having white privilege yet not knowing anything about them, black people referring to “ their people” etc ,etc. All this being said, I can’t help but wonder if this isn’t the making of our politicians and media because it’s good business for them. 🤔 SMH. The quintessential "shut up and play". I've been over seeing the USWNT dominant without being tested I admit BUT I RESPECT these women very much. Don't watch then ... they can keep on their "everything is fine" blinders. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jul 26, 2021 6:57:11 GMT -5
LOL so it jumped off the rails with my post? I am saying exactly what many others said already in this post. LOL @ white privlege..... I'm sorry you believe in that bull crap but it is indeed bull crap. I have no white guilt, nor should I. I'm sorry if you are white if you do and were duped into believing all this systemic racism and critical theory bull crap. Maybe you should research those theories a little more so you can find out that the people that made them are Marxists, and this is just another way of creeping Marxism into our country. Everyone in this country has the same ability to succeed. Are there racists in this country? Sure there are racists of all shapes and colors including minorities that are racist as well. The amount of racists in this country do not amount to enough to stop a determined individual to succeed. What Critical Theory and all this other bull crap want is not equality but equity. We are all equal but equality doesn't mean everyone will succeed. What these Marxists and others that believe in this crap want is equity not equality. Equity is not the same thing. Equity implies that everyone is the same and there are no winners or losers. That is not freedom at all. In order for there to be no losers people will have things taken away from them to give to the "losers". Education will be dumbed down so that everyone is equal results. There will be no smart and accelerated students. Everything will be dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. Not everyone wins, but everyone has an equal chance to win. What CRT and other bull crap Marxist ideas do is make it where there are no winners or losers by force. That isn't a country that anyone wants to live in. I'm sorry also I know plenty of folks besides white males that think CRT is also bull crap and don't want to have anything to do with it. Last of all you want to talk about privilege. I sure wish I had some of that growing up. Growing up with my dad having to work 2 jobs where I never saw him ever with 4 kids in the family because that is what a Father is supposed to do. Eating poor people's food in a small house. Never getting to go out to eat, or drive nice cars, or anything like that. No big trips. No nothing. Is that privilege? If you say so! LOL.... Next time you find some of that privilege send it my way..... Wow - there's a lot to unpack with your unhinged, dollar-store-Tucker-Carlson act.. yikes.
Let's just start with this...
Well - No. They really don't. They've made it seem as if they almost do.. but no, they don't Allow me to explain a bit (not that you'll listen).
Lots of people like to pat themselves on the back and tell themselves how everyone has a fair shake.. well, of course they do.. because THEY had a fair shake (this is where white privilege comes in). See, I grew up in a nice suburb of a major city.. very close to the city. You know how many black kids I was exposed to? Virtually zero. They didn't own houses in my town or go to our (excellent) schools. Why? Redlining.
Banks wouldn't lend. Real Estate wouldn't sell. There are plenty of HOAs and neighborhoods with explicit language (now unenforceable) against selling to minorities. The most recent settlement around redlining was a LONG time ago, though... all the way back in 2015. Yes. 2015.
There are towns around Atlanta that were still sundown towns SINCE AFTER I GRADUATED COLLEGE. This isn't ancient history.
Ruby Bridges - the girl who famously broke school segregation in Louisiana... is only 66 years old now. Barely reaching retirement age. She had to enter school surrounded by US Marshals. So tell me how this is all ancient history - and people OUR AGE who have had to grow up with this had the same opportunities as everyone else.
This is stuff that all happened within our generation and barely the generation before us. It isn't ancient history - and the effects are still being felt today.
If you think any of this isn't fully intentional - perhaps I can point you towards a member of the Reagan administration - Lee Atwater. Here he is talking about the GOP 'Southern Strategy" (you know what that is) in 1981:
So.. people MY age.. my friends and coworkers - had to grow up with this against them. Tell me again how everyone had the same opportunity.
LOL you talk about this recent stuff then post a picture from Jim Crow era policy. I never said there wasn't ever systemic racism. I said that it doesn't exist in any meaningful way since Jim Crow was abolished. Then you quote me something one person said from the Reagan administration by the way with no source to show me this person really said this. (Yes I require sources for any quote or any topic because there is so much BS on the internet everything has to be fact checked. I told you that racists exist. I said the number of them that do exist will not stop a determined person. Also I'm sorry but quoting me a wikipedia article (if you want to have a credible argument never use wikipedia like it is the gospel truth!) about redlining that again did not happen in any statistically significant way if you actually dig into the statistical numbers back then, but somehow I doubt you ever dug into the actual numbers and just took what the media told you as the truth. Also and lastly I don't watch any network news. They all suck. Tucker Carlson by the way is not a news program. He is a political pundit and he leans right in all of his viewpoints and a lot of time mischaracterizes things that are going on. You want to know who else is a pundit? Rachael Maddow who does the same thing Tucker does. Anyone that gets their actual news from either one of them are idiots. My issue with network news is then you have actual journalist and news reporters at some networks like CNN, Fox, MSNBC that give opinion instead of reporting the news as well and they don't distinguish that they are editorializing instead of stating the facts and the facts alone. All media is biased to the left or right with the majority of mainstream media being left to extremely left. It is why media is dead. I would say only 5-10% of the news that is reported today is unbiased stating facts and facts alone and gathering info from both sides without interjecting to the reader ther journalist's opinion or what they believe they should think about the situation or trying to decipher what the facts are instead of letting the facts stand as they are and let the people decide who is right or wrong and where the "truth" actually stands. By the way part of the BS critical theory is that it is post-modernism BS that there is no "absolute truth". There is your truth and my truth which is liberal progressive BS. There is indeed one truth and sometimes that truth is politically correct and sometimes it is not. Sometimes truth is neither side of the story and somewhere in the middle and sometimes one person really is telling the absolute truth. If we do not have absolute truths then we are going down a path that will destroy the human race. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jul 26, 2021 7:42:03 GMT -5
LOL so it jumped off the rails with my post? I am saying exactly what many others said already in this post. LOL @ white privlege..... I'm sorry you believe in that bull crap but it is indeed bull crap. I have no white guilt, nor should I. I'm sorry if you are white if you do and were duped into believing all this systemic racism and critical theory bull crap. Maybe you should research those theories a little more so you can find out that the people that made them are Marxists, and this is just another way of creeping Marxism into our country. Everyone in this country has the same ability to succeed. Are there racists in this country? Sure there are racists of all shapes and colors including minorities that are racist as well. The amount of racists in this country do not amount to enough to stop a determined individual to succeed. What Critical Theory and all this other bull crap want is not equality but equity. We are all equal but equality doesn't mean everyone will succeed. What these Marxists and others that believe in this crap want is equity not equality. Equity is not the same thing. Equity implies that everyone is the same and there are no winners or losers. That is not freedom at all. In order for there to be no losers people will have things taken away from them to give to the "losers". Education will be dumbed down so that everyone is equal results. There will be no smart and accelerated students. Everything will be dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. Not everyone wins, but everyone has an equal chance to win. What CRT and other bull crap Marxist ideas do is make it where there are no winners or losers by force. That isn't a country that anyone wants to live in. I'm sorry also I know plenty of folks besides white males that think CRT is also bull crap and don't want to have anything to do with it. Last of all you want to talk about privilege. I sure wish I had some of that growing up. Growing up with my dad having to work 2 jobs where I never saw him ever with 4 kids in the family because that is what a Father is supposed to do. Eating poor people's food in a small house. Never getting to go out to eat, or drive nice cars, or anything like that. No big trips. No nothing. Is that privilege? If you say so! LOL.... Next time you find some of that privilege send it my way..... This post is the poster child of white privilege. Yeah you can achieve whatever you want ... no matter who you are ... as long as you assimilate to what's deemed acceptable to white society. There are people and societies still that will favor white skin over black without knowing your Father had to work a bunch and had to jump through hoops to help his family ... that's white privlege. Skin color leg up, not always financial. Atlanta is one of the few cities that may not instantly peg a black man as doing illegal activities b/c he drives a nice car. But that depends on the county. Look at the demographics of soccer on the club level for women. My daughter was the only black girl out of 52 players in U12 academy b/c folks are being priced out and scholarships aren't advertised. I'm glad the USWNT got smacked in the mouth! It'll make their come back more exciting! Damn right they are protesting and Jesse Owens was old school when the '68 Olympics came around. Plus he was on some "don't make massa mad" tip. RIP Jesse but they reduced him to racing horses for money. Folks have voices and raised fists 👊 to shout and proclaim for the demands of ALL people's liberties with. You probably don't want the acknowledgement of how slavery made our country rich and how reparations are owed to the descendants taught in school huh? ... GTFOOH! You probably don't think college athletes should get paid either and that a "free education" is enough. You probably think black professional athletes should shut up and play ... GTFOOH! LOL you know what they say when you make ASS-U-mptions don't you? I'll take your points one by one, but probably won't even grant you the satisfaction of replying about your assumptions of me because you d-ucking have no clue dude. Yes I know how I spelled that. It was purposeful. 1) Whose fault is it that those black children didn't know their father? You want to keep complaining about white privilege but let's talk about why that kid didn't know his father? It's never the father's fault and always society right? I'm sorry I knew my father because he made every effort to spend time with me when he could even if it was not that often. Sure you will say that they were in jail or whatever because of the systemic racism in the police, but I find that a BS excuse. The issues in the black community isn't because everyone is in jail. It starts at home and teaching the fathers to actually be fathers and to quit having kids out of wedlock and to get women to quit laying down with every man they meet and having babies with them they know the dad won't be around to support. Until you fix the nuclear family issues in the black community nothing else will ever be fixed. Yeah that is a very non politically correct answer but a lot of times the truth isn't all peaches and cream. Let's explore the Hispanic community and their children and how many of them had fathers in their lives and a nuclear family compared to the black community. No one want to talk about that because it would prove my point. 2) Your points on Youth Soccer I can agree about, but not from a black/white perspective as that is not what the problem is. US youth soccer is a pay to play setup making the administrations rich off the backs of the parents, and unless you are a little Messi you aren't going to get a scholarship. May I ask what club you decided to go to with your daughter because certain clubs are in more predominantly white communities, and the fact that your daughter may be the only black kid on the team doesn't necessarily raise red flags depending on what club you decided to take her. My kids have been in soccer long enough for me to see that there are plenty of black American kids in soccer in the Atlanta metro area, and their statistical % is about the same as they are all over the country and falls in line with the overall population of black Americans overall in the country (13%). Having knowledge of the interworking's of how scholarships work for a particular club I will say there are plenty of kids that don't get schollys for club soccer and they aren't just minorities. I know a lot of good "poor" white kids that didn't get one either and they were pretty good soccer players. The pay to play concept has to go away for youth soccer, until then it will hurt all poor kids that are good at soccer. So this isn't a black/white issue. This is a poor/rich issue. 3) Your last three sentences were ASS-U-mptions and really don't dignify an answer from me. You are completely wrong on all three of them so in Family Feud and baseball you would have striked out. I'm well aware of what another poster said the "warts" of America's past, but to go all the way back to slavery something that no one alive now knows anything about first hand, nor do my parents or my now passed away grandparents either. So it has been 4+ generations since people even were alive during it. It was a black eye, but our country paid to rid itself of it in human life and a fracturing of our country. To even bring up slavery now as part of the issue that is going on right now leads me to not take you seriously at all on the whole subject. I don't give a crap what college athletes get paid either. I think there will be a wild wild west that will hurt college athletics but it is what it is at this point. I would much rather see a rule that required the money they earn to be put into an escrow or trust until out of college, so they don't blow through it like stupid college aged kids will do. That isn't a black/white thing, that is a college kids are dumb with money issue. Black athletes can do what they want as long as their contract and league say they can do it. They have free speech rights, but as an employee for a company or league they also have signed some of their free speech rights away in order to be employed by said league or company. So if they break any league rules they should be sanctioned accordingly. Also their free speech is not without consequences. If people don't want to watch said league anymore due to the #woke stuff then eventually the league and salaries of said players that are doing their #woke things will suffer. So ultimately kneeling is going to turn off 1/2 their audience more than likely and if it keeps it up they will indeed see their salaries decline as revenue declines. Its simple economics 101. So free speech has consequences. At least these people aren't lying about their motives anymore. During the Kaep issue everyone kept lying saying it was not disrespecting the flag and it wasn't about the flag. Now these #woke folks outright say it is indeed about the flag and the flag is offensive. Like we all knew it was about to begin with. As far as representing your country and still kneeling, that is different than a league or working for a company. My points still stand from my other post. Why represent a country that is so evil and bad and you are offended of? Kneeling representing your country is just fake virtue signaling. Put your money and fake virtue signaling where your mouth and knee are and quit the team if the country is so bad. There are plenty of very good women soccer players that will be happy to take your place if you think our country is such an evil one. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Jul 26, 2021 7:55:28 GMT -5
The picture illustrating that the girl having to be escorted into schools isn't some ancient history - she's 66 and not even retired. Not much older than us. This stuff is in our lifetimes. This isn't someone's great grandmother.
And you say that it doesn't exist in a meaningful way since jim crow was abolished? We have towns around here that were still sundown towns as late as the 90s.. is that not meaningful or recent enough? Cool - I like sources too... cite one.
Also - Wikipedia has its citations at the bottom of the article en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining#Citations - there's 95 citations for that article alone. |
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Post by notcrazysoccerdad on Jul 26, 2021 8:17:59 GMT -5
Gotta love the people on this thread saying that symbolic displays by athletes have no impact...
...as they spend hours talking about systemic racism and examining whether it still exists.
In other words, if they hadn't kneeled would we be having this conversation?
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jul 26, 2021 9:35:23 GMT -5
Gotta love the people on this thread saying that symbolic displays by athletes have no impact... ...as they spend hours talking about systemic racism and examining whether it still exists. In other words, if they hadn't kneeled would we be having this conversation? We have always had that conversation. Where have you been? I have heard it pretty much since I can remember. The funny thing is as a kid and even now I don't see race. I see people. I judge people based on how they behave, work, speak, etc... I judge people on their character and work ethic, and I don't care what color they are. I'm libertarian as well so the war on drugs absolutely has to go away with more treatment options to fix the issues. Will that help poor communities? It can't hurt. I say poor because it is not just poor black communities that are overrun with drugs it is all poor communities. I've had these conversations since I got into political conversations. Kneeling didn't start it for me, but telling me that my Country is evil, and my flag and National Anthem is offensive is not a way to win battles or hearts and minds. If you find me a better country to live in that doesn't have their skeletons as well let me know, but America is the best in that respect, and it isn't perfect, but it isn't a horrible offensive country. Talking like that will do nothing but turn off the majority of the country Democrat, Republican, and Independents alike along with all skin colors and nationalities. As someone else said, most people still believe in this country and the good it is and can be even now. Trying to say it is something otherwise will turn off more than half the country. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Jul 26, 2021 10:35:19 GMT -5
Gotta love the people on this thread saying that symbolic displays by athletes have no impact... ...as they spend hours talking about systemic racism and examining whether it still exists. In other words, if they hadn't kneeled would we be having this conversation? We have always had that conversation. Where have you been? I have heard it pretty much since I can remember. The funny thing is as a kid and even now I don't see race. I see people. I judge people based on how they behave, work, speak, etc... I judge people on their character and work ethic, and I don't care what color they are. I'm libertarian as well so the war on drugs absolutely has to go away with more treatment options to fix the issues. Will that help poor communities? It can't hurt. I say poor because it is not just poor black communities that are overrun with drugs it is all poor communities. I've had these conversations since I got into political conversations. Kneeling didn't start it for me, but telling me that my Country is evil, and my flag and National Anthem is offensive is not a way to win battles or hearts and minds. If you find me a better country to live in that doesn't have their skeletons as well let me know, but America is the best in that respect, and it isn't perfect, but it isn't a horrible offensive country. Talking like that will do nothing but turn off the majority of the country Democrat, Republican, and Independents alike along with all skin colors and nationalities. As someone else said, most people still believe in this country and the good it is and can be even now. Trying to say it is something otherwise will turn off more than half the country. And what imaginary boogeyman said this? Certainly nobody on here.. and nobody I've ever personally interacted with.
It's the total lack of acknowledgement that there's issues that need addressing - that's the problem that I see. Can't fix it if you pretend that nothing's broken.. put the sticker over the 'check engine' light and it'll be fine. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jul 26, 2021 13:25:30 GMT -5
We have always had that conversation. Where have you been? I have heard it pretty much since I can remember. The funny thing is as a kid and even now I don't see race. I see people. I judge people based on how they behave, work, speak, etc... I judge people on their character and work ethic, and I don't care what color they are. I'm libertarian as well so the war on drugs absolutely has to go away with more treatment options to fix the issues. Will that help poor communities? It can't hurt. I say poor because it is not just poor black communities that are overrun with drugs it is all poor communities. I've had these conversations since I got into political conversations. Kneeling didn't start it for me, but telling me that my Country is evil, and my flag and National Anthem is offensive is not a way to win battles or hearts and minds. If you find me a better country to live in that doesn't have their skeletons as well let me know, but America is the best in that respect, and it isn't perfect, but it isn't a horrible offensive country. Talking like that will do nothing but turn off the majority of the country Democrat, Republican, and Independents alike along with all skin colors and nationalities. As someone else said, most people still believe in this country and the good it is and can be even now. Trying to say it is something otherwise will turn off more than half the country. And what imaginary boogeyman said this? Certainly nobody on here.. and nobody I've ever personally interacted with.
It's the total lack of acknowledgement that there's issues that need addressing - that's the problem that I see. Can't fix it if you pretend that nothing's broken.. put the sticker over the 'check engine' light and it'll be fine. Dude open your ears and eyes. We have shifted from when Kaep was the villian with people stating and reiterating it isn't about the flag or the anthem, to many wokes on TV, twitter, in writing on the internet openly stating that it is indeed about the flag and the anthem and both are offensive to them. If you haven't heard it then you are willfully ignorant and not looking for it. Those people that state it now are speaking for the "wokes". So if you consider yourself a woke you might want to listen to what the mouthpieces are saying lest you get lumped in with them. During the Kaep issue, I and many others said it was indeed the flag, the anthem, that they were protesting while being told that it was not. At least I feel vindicated that people lied to us then, but now feel emboldened now that the progressives think they have won and will win in the future. (They got a rude awakening coming 2022 and 2024, but I digress...) I don't have time to google search and look up article after article and video after video of people stating this. I'm sure your google skills are good enough to find them. I was easily able to google search right now and find many articles and videos of people spouting it. Hell there was just one on CNN the other day of a person saying exactly what I'm saying they said above. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jul 26, 2021 13:30:14 GMT -5
We have always had that conversation. Where have you been? I have heard it pretty much since I can remember. The funny thing is as a kid and even now I don't see race. I see people. I judge people based on how they behave, work, speak, etc... I judge people on their character and work ethic, and I don't care what color they are. I'm libertarian as well so the war on drugs absolutely has to go away with more treatment options to fix the issues. Will that help poor communities? It can't hurt. I say poor because it is not just poor black communities that are overrun with drugs it is all poor communities. I've had these conversations since I got into political conversations. Kneeling didn't start it for me, but telling me that my Country is evil, and my flag and National Anthem is offensive is not a way to win battles or hearts and minds. If you find me a better country to live in that doesn't have their skeletons as well let me know, but America is the best in that respect, and it isn't perfect, but it isn't a horrible offensive country. Talking like that will do nothing but turn off the majority of the country Democrat, Republican, and Independents alike along with all skin colors and nationalities. As someone else said, most people still believe in this country and the good it is and can be even now. Trying to say it is something otherwise will turn off more than half the country. And what imaginary boogeyman said this? Certainly nobody on here.. and nobody I've ever personally interacted with.
It's the total lack of acknowledgement that there's issues that need addressing - that's the problem that I see. Can't fix it if you pretend that nothing's broken.. put the sticker over the 'check engine' light and it'll be fine. Here's you a starter one free of charge. The rest you will need to look up. nypost.com/2021/06/09/ny-times-defends-mara-grays-american-flag-comments/ |
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Post by ball2futbol on Jul 26, 2021 13:58:23 GMT -5
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