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Post by lakeside on Apr 24, 2019 9:56:07 GMT -5
So last year clubs broke off and formed SCCL. I assume most of these teams were Athena A on the girls' side? If so, then doesn't that mean that technically Athena B level teams moved up to Athena A? And then, with the new SCCL 2nd division, won't these really just be teams a year ago who were really Athena B level?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 24, 2019 10:01:26 GMT -5
Where does NPL fit in @ the U12 division? I hear all the hype around the SCCL for U12 but is NPL considered better competition? There are only two clubs that straddle both NPL and SCCL - SSA and UFA. The only other team from Georgia that participates in the NPL is AFC lightning and they are not a part of SCCL. On the boys side, I would venture to say that SCCL is stronger and will get even stronger with the addition of the Atlanta United U12s. Add to that the current teams of CF, NTH, UFA, GSA and the addition of AFU and you have a pretty good set of teams to play at the U12 age group. IMO, it also provides a better environment since you don't have to travel far for your regular season games at the young age of 11/12. In NPL, you have 3 teams in GA and all the other regular season opponents out of state. You have 4 teams in NC, 2 in TN and 2 in SC. That's a bit much me thinks for such a younger age group...FG
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 24, 2019 10:12:58 GMT -5
So last year clubs broke off and formed SCCL. I assume most of these teams were Athena A on the girls' side? If so, then doesn't that mean that technically Athena B level teams moved up to Athena A? And then, with the new SCCL 2nd division, won't these really just be teams a year ago who were really Athena B level? Would make sense, but not necessarily. Other factors go into that decision. Take UFA for example. Using the two locations(Fowler & Norcross), SCCL is run out of Norcross, but the higher "ranked" team plays out of Fowler on the NPL team. The SCCL 2 team will not be run out of Norcross but would instead be run out of Fowler. So in an effort to return to what is the guide(TPDL), the new pyramid for UFA would go a little something like this: For the Boys - DA - Norcross
NPL - Fowler SCCL - Norcross SCCL 2 - Fowler Select - Fowler/Norcross Academy - Fowler/Norcross
For the Girls - GDA - Fowler NPL - Fowler SCCL - Norcross SCCL 2 - Fowler Athena - Fowler/Norcross Academy - Fowler/Norcross
*Depending on the coach, the team, weather and field usage, both locations will sometimes use the South Forsyth location also...FG
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Post by cleansheet on Apr 24, 2019 10:13:23 GMT -5
Where does NPL fit in @ the U12 division? I hear all the hype around the SCCL for U12 but is NPL considered better competition? There are only two clubs that straddle both NPL and SCCL - SSA and UFA. The only other team from Georgia that participates in the NPL is AFC lightning and they are not a part of SCCL. On the boys side, I would venture to say that SCCL is stronger and will get even stronger with the addition of the Atlanta United U12s. Add to that the current teams of CF, NTH, UFA, GSA and the addition of AFU and you have a pretty good set of teams to play at the U12 age group. IMO, it also provides a better environment since you don't have to travel far for you regular season games at the young age of 11/12. In NPL, you have 3 teams in GA and all the other regular season opponents out of state. You have 4 teams in NC, 2 in TN and 2 in SC. That's a bit much me thinks for such a younger age group...FG Great summary and I agree u12 boys SCCL will be strong starting in 2019/2020.
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Post by atlsoccerdad on Apr 24, 2019 11:54:34 GMT -5
Where does NPL fit in @ the U12 division? I hear all the hype around the SCCL for U12 but is NPL considered better competition? There are only two clubs that straddle both NPL and SCCL - SSA and UFA. The only other team from Georgia that participates in the NPL is AFC lightning and they are not a part of SCCL. On the boys side, I would venture to say that SCCL is stronger and will get even stronger with the addition of the Atlanta United U12s. Add to that the current teams of CF, NTH, UFA, GSA and the addition of AFU and you have a pretty good set of teams to play at the U12 age group. IMO, it also provides a better environment since you don't have to travel far for your regular season games at the young age of 11/12. In NPL, you have 3 teams in GA and all the other regular season opponents out of state. You have 4 teams in NC, 2 in TN and 2 in SC. That's a bit much me thinks for such a younger age group...FG The unofficial travel policy is: 2.5 hours from home maximum. So for example if the North Carolina team was 5 hours away, the game would be scheduled on neutral ground somewhere halfway ... This makes it much more affordable as well.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 24, 2019 12:06:13 GMT -5
How does the EPL system for academies work? When your club gets promoted from Champions to Premier, do the academies move into a premier bracket also and play the academies from the other EPL teams?
The problem with pro/rel in SCCL is that you would have to relegate/promote an entire club by sex at a time. Sorry BUSA and SSA (just an example), you're relegated to 2nd "Premier" tier, I doubt any of the existing SCCL clubs would be okay with this, even though they should be as its the nature of soccer.
IMO there is no way to make this work without a full-blown replacement for GA Soccer/USYS NL. A one-league was fine though.
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Post by justwatching on Apr 24, 2019 12:55:46 GMT -5
Without pro/rel SCCL 2 does not seem like an appealing draw for other clubs to enter in my opinion. It would only be a place for the next lower level team than SCCL at the current member clubs. But even for the next lower level team I struggle to see what would make SCCL 2 a better value proposition than GA soccer for those teams.
If you add in pro/rel (by team) I can potentially see value in SCCL 2 if you assume a large percentage of the higher level competition that would normally be in GA Soccer is now in the SCCL. But at that point aren't you just re-creating a similar regional product that was there before?
Unless I am missing something there seems like better options for teams/clubs than being perpetually stuck in SCCL 2...although I would not pretend to understand all the different leagues and quality of teams involved across the board.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 24, 2019 13:43:14 GMT -5
Pro/rel can't occur as of yet since the league doesn't exist as of today. After the first year, it would then make sense, because you have results to go by that would justify who you promote and who you relegate. Additionally, if you don't want to be in the SCCL 2 league this year, make the first team under then SCCL umbrella at your club...FG
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Post by justwatching on Apr 24, 2019 15:12:18 GMT -5
I was strictly talking about new clubs entering into the league or a club's team being put into the league, nothing to do with the individual player. I understand they can't promote/relegate now on no results but if SCCL will promote by team, based on results, after the first season of SCCL 2 play that would be great and then I can see value for teams entering in SCCL 2 in order to get promoted to SCCL 1. Also, I agree if it is not a good spot for an individual player move to a new club or try and make the higher team. So, if pro/rel is happening after the first season of SCCL 2 play this is a moot point and all is good...also I have no dog in this SCCL or SCCL 2 fight just trying to understand the landscape and how it is all affecting the kids
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 24, 2019 18:39:24 GMT -5
I have no dog in this either, but i cannot see pro/rel by team ever working in the SCCL model. I would imagine most clubs have s coach over multiple SCCL teams. If suddenly their teams are in different divisions playing ay different locations, its no different than USYS.
If a club like VHSC or BUSA gets relegated i would imagine them saying forget this, we can play in AL for the potential at the NL.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 24, 2019 19:57:47 GMT -5
I have no dog in this either, but i cannot see pro/rel by team ever working in the SCCL model. I would imagine most clubs have s coach over multiple SCCL teams. If suddenly their teams are in different divisions playing ay different locations, its no different than USYS. If a club like VHSC or BUSA gets relegated i would imagine them saying forget this, we can play in AL for the potential at the NL. So I believe that many players and club coaches don't care about the potential to play NL. As I have been exposed to many more people with kids on high level teams I hear more and more complaints about travel and cost and time commitment. There are people who truly want to play at the highest level they can for bragging rights, the challenge of it, or the exposure to colleges. Many people, though, want to play quality soccer near home with less cost, travel and time commitment. They want it to be good enough that it is entertaining for the parents and players, an enjoyable experience with enough of a challenge to keep it fresh. Many don't care about being at the top of some hierarchy that brings more responsibility and time commitment. I think the club centric travel is appealing to many families with multiple kids playing. I think that SCCL could do prom/rel if they wanted to and no one has an official statement saying one way or another. They could do it by club or by team. But what some fail to recognize is the difference between Georgia Soccer and the SCCL is this...the CLUBS decide how they want to run it. The groups involved will decide the prom/rel issue and how they want it to run.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 24, 2019 21:00:57 GMT -5
If that was true, why wouldn't clubs simply turn down NL?
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Post by ga3v3 on Apr 25, 2019 5:37:17 GMT -5
I have no dog in this either, but i cannot see pro/rel by team ever working in the SCCL model. I would imagine most clubs have s coach over multiple SCCL teams. If suddenly their teams are in different divisions playing ay different locations, its no different than USYS. If a club like VHSC or BUSA gets relegated i would imagine them saying forget this, we can play in AL for the potential at the NL. So I believe that many players and club coaches don't care about the potential to play NL. As I have been exposed to many more people with kids on high level teams I hear more and more complaints about travel and cost and time commitment. There are people who truly want to play at the highest level they can for bragging rights, the challenge of it, or the exposure to colleges. Many people, though, want to play quality soccer near home with less cost, travel and time commitment. They want it to be good enough that it is entertaining for the parents and players, an enjoyable experience with enough of a challenge to keep it fresh. Many don't care about being at the top of some hierarchy that brings more responsibility and time commitment. I think the club centric travel is appealing to many families with multiple kids playing. I think that SCCL could do prom/rel if they wanted to and no one has an official statement saying one way or another. They could do it by club or by team. But what some fail to recognize is the difference between Georgia Soccer and the SCCL is this...the CLUBS decide how they want to run it. The groups involved will decide the prom/rel issue and how they want it to run. One of my players team earned their way into the NL over their u13 season before the SCCL was formed. A small clubbteam that beat out 6 out the big 5s second teams(behind DA and ECNL) which was an amazing experience and life long lesson for the boys. It taught them something that a club centric league never could and in our age/gender those big 5 clubs were not competitive enough to earn any of the 8 spots available to GA for the 2 divisions of the NL. As far as the teams travel costs go, our team fees were only $450 for the fall and spring seasons which included a trip to NC, a trip to SC, 2 local tournaments, Jeff cup and State Cup. So for anyone to say that Travel costs should be a deciding factor to join a club centric league doesn’t have their facts straight. I’m curious if anyone that played on an SCCL team could share their teams travel costs to compare. One thing is for sure, the growth and satisfaction of earning their way from CL1 to Premier 2 and now into Premier 1 of the Piedmont Conference was priceless for my player and at $450 for a year of team fees it was a real bargain for a parent as well
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 25, 2019 6:51:49 GMT -5
So I believe that many players and club coaches don't care about the potential to play NL. As I have been exposed to many more people with kids on high level teams I hear more and more complaints about travel and cost and time commitment. There are people who truly want to play at the highest level they can for bragging rights, the challenge of it, or the exposure to colleges. Many people, though, want to play quality soccer near home with less cost, travel and time commitment. They want it to be good enough that it is entertaining for the parents and players, an enjoyable experience with enough of a challenge to keep it fresh. Many don't care about being at the top of some hierarchy that brings more responsibility and time commitment. I think the club centric travel is appealing to many families with multiple kids playing. I think that SCCL could do prom/rel if they wanted to and no one has an official statement saying one way or another. They could do it by club or by team. But what some fail to recognize is the difference between Georgia Soccer and the SCCL is this...the CLUBS decide how they want to run it. The groups involved will decide the prom/rel issue and how they want it to run. One of my players team earned their way into the NL over their u13 season before the SCCL was formed. A small clubbteam that beat out 6 out the big 5s second teams(behind DA and ECNL) which was an amazing experience and life long lesson for the boys. It taught them something that a club centric league never could and in our age/gender those big 5 clubs were not competitive enough to earn any of the 8 spots available to GA for the 2 divisions of the NL. As far as the teams travel costs go, our team fees were only $450 for the fall and spring seasons which included a trip to NC, a trip to SC, 2 local tournaments, Jeff cup and State Cup. So for anyone to say that Travel costs should be a deciding factor to join a club centric league doesn’t have their facts straight. I’m curious if anyone that played on an SCCL team could share their teams travel costs to compare. One thing is for sure, the growth and satisfaction of earning their way from CL1 to Premier 2 and now into Premier 1 of the Piedmont Conference was priceless for my player and at $450 for a year of team fees it was a real bargain for a parent as well So please explain to me how you drove to North Carolina and spent at least one night in a hotel, drove to South Carolina and spent one night in a hotel, drove to Richmond and spent two nights in a hotel and to Columbus, Georgia and spent at least 2 nights in a hotel for $450??? It sounds to me like you said "team fees" not total cost. Because the gas, your food, your player's food for those trips alone would be $450. Then add the hotels. At least 6 nights from what you posted here. Add those costs. Then you will get your costs. Team fees don't really matter in the travel costs. It is the hotels and gas or airfare that get you. There are lessons to earning your way to a higher level. No question about that. There are lessons about everything to do with soccer. Our child learned lessons about hard work to get herself promoted from a lower level team to a higher level team. That was all about HER OWN HARD WORK. She was also on a team that got promoted as well as a U13. So she has had both. However, I believe she learned more about herself when she got promoted to a higher level team than she did when her team got promoted to a higher level in Georgia Soccer. However, you slice it. Club soccer can provide great life lessons for your kid. They don't have to get promoted to NL to learn lessons.
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Post by 4theloveofsoccer on Apr 25, 2019 7:03:59 GMT -5
So I believe that many players and club coaches don't care about the potential to play NL. As I have been exposed to many more people with kids on high level teams I hear more and more complaints about travel and cost and time commitment. There are people who truly want to play at the highest level they can for bragging rights, the challenge of it, or the exposure to colleges. Many people, though, want to play quality soccer near home with less cost, travel and time commitment. They want it to be good enough that it is entertaining for the parents and players, an enjoyable experience with enough of a challenge to keep it fresh. Many don't care about being at the top of some hierarchy that brings more responsibility and time commitment. I think the club centric travel is appealing to many families with multiple kids playing. I think that SCCL could do prom/rel if they wanted to and no one has an official statement saying one way or another. They could do it by club or by team. But what some fail to recognize is the difference between Georgia Soccer and the SCCL is this...the CLUBS decide how they want to run it. The groups involved will decide the prom/rel issue and how they want it to run. One of my players team earned their way into the NL over their u13 season before the SCCL was formed. A small clubbteam that beat out 6 out the big 5s second teams(behind DA and ECNL) which was an amazing experience and life long lesson for the boys. It taught them something that a club centric league never could and in our age/gender those big 5 clubs were not competitive enough to earn any of the 8 spots available to GA for the 2 divisions of the NL. As far as the teams travel costs go, our team fees were only $450 for the fall and spring seasons which included a trip to NC, a trip to SC, 2 local tournaments, Jeff cup and State Cup. So for anyone to say that Travel costs should be a deciding factor to join a club centric league doesn’t have their facts straight. I’m curious if anyone that played on an SCCL team could share their teams travel costs to compare. One thing is for sure, the growth and satisfaction of earning their way from CL1 to Premier 2 and now into Premier 1 of the Piedmont Conference was priceless for my player and at $450 for a year of team fees it was a real bargain for a parent as well $450 for both spring and fall seasons? Is this individually for you personally spending wise, team player contributions for coaching costs, or individual costs per player on the team? I find that hard to believe even if you are staying with family/friends for all these out of state tournaments for accommodations. Include food, gas, tournament fees and etc. it just does not add up to me.
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Post by girlcoach on Apr 25, 2019 7:05:25 GMT -5
So last year clubs broke off and formed SCCL. I assume most of these teams were Athena A on the girls' side? If so, then doesn't that mean that technically Athena B level teams moved up to Athena A? And then, with the new SCCL 2nd division, won't these really just be teams a year ago who were really Athena B level? At 03G, three of the GA teams who went to SCCL last year would have played NL, one would have played Athena A and one would have played Athena B. For next year I assume that the teams moving up will have finished Athena A 4th, 6th and 12th, and Athena B 2nd and 4th. The overall result of additional leagues is dilution at every level. Because teams who qualified didn't play NL, two teams who would have been Athena A played NL in their place. 2 teams who should have been Athena B played Athena A, etc. It will be interesting to see what happens with NL next year. If they go to two divisions like the boys, then presumably 4 more teams from Athena A will move up. So effectively what used to be Athena A will be NL/SCCL and the new Athena A will be level of Athena B 2 years ago. Maybe it is good for some, personally I think it is ridiculous. Too many leagues and too many teams don't get to play rivals who are very close in ability and geography.
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Post by blu on Apr 25, 2019 7:10:36 GMT -5
I’m curious if anyone that played on an SCCL team could share their teams travel costs to compare. SCCL travel costs (for U12) were 1 night in Birmingham for the Fall and 1 night for the Spring. South Carolina is a day trip and the rest of the games are here in metro ATL.
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Post by ga3v3 on Apr 25, 2019 7:47:09 GMT -5
One of my players team earned their way into the NL over their u13 season before the SCCL was formed. A small clubbteam that beat out 6 out the big 5s second teams(behind DA and ECNL) which was an amazing experience and life long lesson for the boys. It taught them something that a club centric league never could and in our age/gender those big 5 clubs were not competitive enough to earn any of the 8 spots available to GA for the 2 divisions of the NL. As far as the teams travel costs go, our team fees were only $450 for the fall and spring seasons which included a trip to NC, a trip to SC, 2 local tournaments, Jeff cup and State Cup. So for anyone to say that Travel costs should be a deciding factor to join a club centric league doesn’t have their facts straight. I’m curious if anyone that played on an SCCL team could share their teams travel costs to compare. One thing is for sure, the growth and satisfaction of earning their way from CL1 to Premier 2 and now into Premier 1 of the Piedmont Conference was priceless for my player and at $450 for a year of team fees it was a real bargain for a parent as well $450 for both spring and fall seasons? Is this individually for you personally spending wise, team player contributions for coaching costs, or individual costs per player on the team? I find that hard to believe even if you are staying with family/friends for all these out of state tournaments for accommodations. Include food, gas, tournament fees and etc. it just does not add up to me. That’s correct- team fees which cover tournament entry, coaching fees, coaching mileage, coaches rooms, team meals and miscellaneous other administrative team costs. Beyond team fees we had to purchase 5 nights total for an entire spring /fall season and fuel to drive to the 3 out of state events. What are the team fees for an SCCL team, ECNL team or a DA team? I’ve heard from other parents but am curious to hear what fees forum members had to pay
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 25, 2019 8:08:08 GMT -5
How does the EPL system for academies work? When your club gets promoted from Champions to Premier, do the academies move into a premier bracket also and play the academies from the other EPL teams? The problem with pro/rel in SCCL is that you would have to relegate/promote an entire club by sex at a time. Sorry BUSA and SSA (just an example), you're relegated to 2nd "Premier" tier, I doubt any of the existing SCCL clubs would be okay with this, even though they should be as its the nature of soccer. IMO there is no way to make this work without a full-blown replacement for GA Soccer/USYS NL. A one-league was fine though. The professional academies in the UK are not exactly tied to the standing of where their first team fall. The FA manages the status of professional academies, so they also designate what Category they fall into, much like US Soccer pseudo manages DA and determines who is an isn't in DA, etc. There are 3 or 4 Category designations, with Cat 1 being the tops. I believe there are 24 teams currently, with at least 15 in the EPL and 9 in the Championship. This is as of last year 2018, last time I checked. All 24 are split into two divisions with 12 in each. They do have a pro/rel model between divisions. The big 6(Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City, Man U) are all Category 1, but so are Aston Villa, Blackburn Rovers, Reading and Fulham FC(relegated this season). There are rules and requirements that you have to meet to stay Cat 1 and I believe the age groups tap out at 23 as opposed to U21s. They collectively play in the Premier League 2(PL2)...FG
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Post by atlsoccerdad on Apr 25, 2019 8:35:55 GMT -5
$450 for both spring and fall seasons? Is this individually for you personally spending wise, team player contributions for coaching costs, or individual costs per player on the team? I find that hard to believe even if you are staying with family/friends for all these out of state tournaments for accommodations. Include food, gas, tournament fees and etc. it just does not add up to me. That’s correct- team fees which cover tournament entry, coaching fees, coaching mileage, coaches rooms, team meals and miscellaneous other administrative team costs. Beyond team fees we had to purchase 5 nights total for an entire spring /fall season and fuel to drive to the 3 out of state events. What are the team fees for an SCCL team, ECNL team or a DA team? I’ve heard from other parents but am curious to hear what fees forum members had to pay My boy played SCCL in the Fall - all games were day trips, so no hotel fees (just gas and food).
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 25, 2019 8:51:09 GMT -5
That’s correct- team fees which cover tournament entry, coaching fees, coaching mileage, coaches rooms, team meals and miscellaneous other administrative team costs. Beyond team fees we had to purchase 5 nights total for an entire spring /fall season and fuel to drive to the 3 out of state events. What are the team fees for an SCCL team, ECNL team or a DA team? I’ve heard from other parents but am curious to hear what fees forum members had to pay My boy played SCCL in the Fall - all games were day trips, so no hotel fees (just gas and food). Not sure what a lot of ECNL teams do with that, but some DA clubs that I know (maybe all except AU but others can tell you that) put all of the travel fees together as a lump sum. So they don't separate out the coach's rooms or mileage, etc from the travel costs of the player. So every cost for travel is put together. The ECNL teams,NL teams or SCCL teams all are going to have their costs that will also depend on the number of tournaments played as well. Some teams might only play 4 tournaments all year (one pre and one post for each fall and spring). You said you only did 4 tournaments (2 local tournaments, Jeff Cup and State Cup). Thay seems a little low for most high level teams. Jeff Cup is usually in addition to the pre and post season tournaments. So I would say 5 tournaments would be the most likely for most teams. My daughter's team played in A LOT of tournaments this year. 5 fall and will do 4 or 5 this spring. So that drove our costs up. On average though it was about $100-120 per tournament/out of town trip for team fees.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Apr 25, 2019 9:02:59 GMT -5
Coming from an SSA team that likely will be in SCCL next season at my son's age group, I know how the team manger does it now in the Classic system as far as expenses go. He takes up tournament fees and coach per-diem/hotel stuff a month or so before each tournament. I assume if there will be hotel and per-diem involved in league play (which has never happened to us in the Classic system) that he will likely take up an estimated amount from each player before the season starts to cover that and still handle the tournaments individually. More work on the team manager, but the families don't have to come up with a ton of cash up front for the whole season so the families like that.
As far as individual player costs such as food and hotel that is still left on the families and most of the families still want it to stay that way versus being mandated to have to use a certain travel agent and not be able to stay where you want. I do hate the Club Travel Agent crap that SSA and other clubs try to do for tournaments and travel. It is just another little kick-back the clubs get that unnecessary and my experience with these travel agents has been subpar in the limited times that our team has had to deal with them.
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Post by atlutd17 on Apr 25, 2019 9:46:13 GMT -5
How does the EPL system for academies work? When your club gets promoted from Champions to Premier, do the academies move into a premier bracket also and play the academies from the other EPL teams? The problem with pro/rel in SCCL is that you would have to relegate/promote an entire club by sex at a time. Sorry BUSA and SSA (just an example), you're relegated to 2nd "Premier" tier, I doubt any of the existing SCCL clubs would be okay with this, even though they should be as its the nature of soccer. IMO there is no way to make this work without a full-blown replacement for GA Soccer/USYS NL. A one-league was fine though. The professional academies in the UK are not exactly tied to the standing of where their first team fall. The FA manages the status of professional academies, so they also designate what Category they fall into, much like US Soccer pseudo manages DA and determines who is an isn't in DA, etc. There are 3 or 4 Category designations, with Cat 1 being the tops. I believe there are 24 teams currently, with at least 15 in the EPL and 9 in the Championship. This is as of last year 2018, last time I checked. All 24 are split into two divisions with 12 in each. They do have a pro/rel model between divisions. The big 6(Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City, Man U) are all Category 1, but so are Aston Villa, Blackburn Rovers, Reading and Fulham FC(relegated this season). There are rules and requirements that you have to meet to stay Cat 1 and I believe the age groups tap out at 23 as opposed to U21s. They collectively play in the Premier League 2(PL2)...FG Good post. Other big soccer countries have comparable programs but all have one common denominator: the top pro local leagues. Therefore, I would not compare the FA system to current DA. It's apples to oranges. Resources let alone funding and money talks. This is a job for the MLS to do, and perhaps USL for markets without an MLS franchise. Must build that pyramid, with higher standards reevaluate clubs currently in DA most of whom would probably not get re qualified, and have the rest of youth soccer grassroots under one umbrella to serve as feeder programs using the pro/rel model.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 25, 2019 9:49:55 GMT -5
You are correct in not comparing DA and the FA system. I was using that more as an example of how the FA interjects itself into the professional academies...FG
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Post by soccerdad76 on Apr 25, 2019 11:20:42 GMT -5
$450 for both spring and fall seasons? Is this individually for you personally spending wise, team player contributions for coaching costs, or individual costs per player on the team? I find that hard to believe even if you are staying with family/friends for all these out of state tournaments for accommodations. Include food, gas, tournament fees and etc. it just does not add up to me. That’s correct- team fees which cover tournament entry, coaching fees, coaching mileage, coaches rooms, team meals and miscellaneous other administrative team costs. Beyond team fees we had to purchase 5 nights total for an entire spring /fall season and fuel to drive to the 3 out of state events. What are the team fees for an SCCL team, ECNL team or a DA team? I’ve heard from other parents but am curious to hear what fees forum members had to pay . Our fees are typically $50-$70 for local and $100-$125 for out of state to cover registration and the coach. That adds up to roughly what you are saying. There's not much variation between leagues for that. Only difference is how far you have to drive and how many nights you get a hotel, so that’s completely driven by schedule and tournaments.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 25, 2019 14:04:55 GMT -5
There will probably be Sccl west and east or north/ south Definitely see Alliance, Chattanooga, maybe a couple Carolina teams joining and probably a couple Ga teams. AFU is accounted for already for joining, question is will the compete in the same Sccl doc as the big 5. I heard the teams that joined Sccl first year cannot be relegated either. Sounds like Sccl will have some good tourneys when all teams meet up a couple times a year. Personally I hope AFU doesn't join if they're going to be relegated to the Premier tier.
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Post by atlutd17 on Apr 26, 2019 12:11:14 GMT -5
There will probably be Sccl west and east or north/ south Definitely see Alliance, Chattanooga, maybe a couple Carolina teams joining and probably a couple Ga teams. AFU is accounted for already for joining, question is will the compete in the same Sccl doc as the big 5. I heard the teams that joined Sccl first year cannot be relegated either. Sounds like Sccl will have some good tourneys when all teams meet up a couple times a year. Personally I hope AFU doesn't join if they're going to be relegated to the Premier tier. It would make no sense for AFU to play in the lower Premier but I think will happen. Reading between the lines of the SCCL announcement below (home/away fixtures with each, all gender specific teams play same date against same club, and maximum 12-game season) translates to there are 6-7 clubs lined up at most to play either each other or, if there are less than 6 lined up, play lower level (3rd) teams of the top tier SCCL clubs. No information yet if (or at which point) SCCL Champions get to play ECNL teams for a National Championship pathway in US Club ... www.southeasternccl.com/
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Post by guest on Apr 26, 2019 14:08:10 GMT -5
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Post by guest on Apr 26, 2019 14:15:38 GMT -5
lets try this instead: The Southeastern Clubs Champions League (SCCL) is excited to share the division alignments and member clubs for the newly formed SCCL Premier (SCCL-P) Division. SCCL Premier will incorporate six Metro Atlanta clubs, as well as an exciting new partnership with the Carolinas Premier League (CPL) across two conferences: East and West. Clubs will compete in the 13U-19U age groups in both genders with schedules that meet the needs of each conference. The Carolinas Premier League was formed in 2018 as club-centric league for 8U-12U competitive clubs in an effort to provide a developmentally appropriate atmosphere for competitive youth players. Currently, there are 13 member clubs in the CPL, of which the following 11 have elected to compete in the SCCL-P East Division at the 13U-19U age groups: Augusta Arsenal SC (GA) The Bulls Soccer Club (SC) Cainhoy Athletic (SC) Charlotte Independence Soccer Club (NC/SC) Coast FA (SC) GPS Coastal (SC) GPS Lexington (SC) GPS NASA (SC) James Island Youth Soccer Club (SC) South Carolina United FC (SC) USA Mt. Pleasant (SC) The SCCL-P West Division will initially be comprised of Metro Atlanta clubs and one South Carolina club. SCCL-P West Division Clubs are listed below: Atlanta Fire United (GA) Carolina Football Club (SC) Concorde Fire (GA) Gwinnett Soccer Academy (GA) NASA TopHat (GA) Southern Soccer Academy (GA) United Futbol Academy (GA) The SCCL has had a profound impact on youth development, as well as providing economical travel and college exposure. The club-centric nature of this league means costs are lower, travel is more manageable, and coaching conflicts are virtually non-existent. These factors, coupled with elite level of competition, makes for a more enjoyable experience for players, families, referees, administrators, and coaches! For more information about the SCCL or to fill out a club application, please visit our website at www.southeasternccl.com!
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Post by blu on Apr 26, 2019 14:18:35 GMT -5
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