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Post by k on Apr 26, 2019 14:23:42 GMT -5
Bad move for AFU. Demotion for the 2-3 teams they have in NL on the girls side. Their U14’s beat 2 NPL teams and tied with 1 in the fall . They tied the current GSA SCCL team in the state cup last year . They have lost to the really strong LSA 05 Gold team by one goal the last three games against them. They lost last year to Roswell 05 2-1, and a few weeks ago 1-0. Roswell won the Piedmont Conference. That team would be very strong in SCCL-1. They finished 5th out of 12 teams in the NL.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 26, 2019 14:27:06 GMT -5
Please clarify is SCCL > SCCL premier or
SCCL Premier > SCCL
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Post by soccernotfootball on Apr 26, 2019 14:33:38 GMT -5
Please clarify is SCCL > SCCL premier or SCCL Premier > SCCL I believe it's SCCL (1) > SCCL-P (2)
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Post by guest on Apr 26, 2019 14:40:35 GMT -5
How were you able to post that?
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Post by pluto on Apr 26, 2019 14:42:06 GMT -5
Correct. SCCL > SCCL Premiere.
To the poster above concerning AFU girls: they will roll through that SCCL 2 bracket easily. I agree , it's a bad move for AFU and a step down. I'm not familiar with the South Carolina clubs.
It will be interesting to see what AFU parents decide to do.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 26, 2019 14:44:47 GMT -5
I believe AFU made the move now, so they could possibly be in line to move up to the SCCL 1 next year with pro/rel and be with the top flight in SCCL...FG
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 26, 2019 15:00:09 GMT -5
I believe AFU made the move now, so they could possibly be in line to move up to the SCCL 1 next year with pro/rel and be with the top flight in SCCL...FG This makes sense. Plus as another poster said they have only 2 age groups in NL. Looking at the results only the 05's would stay in NL. Their 02 team finished 9th so would have been relegated according to the super strict plan of relegating HALF of the 12 teams. I think this was appropriate for AFU as a whole though maybe not that one 05 team. This is for the girls. I don't know the boys side. I will say that it is possible that AFU has the foresight to get off a sinking ship.
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Post by futbolpapa on Apr 26, 2019 15:19:00 GMT -5
If SCCL > than SCCL-P does this mean that another announcement is pending on the same sort of expansion for that division? I'm not understanding why you would have so many clubs in at a lower level & then cut it off to at the next level up. Why would you have a lower level group of teams traveling more? Am I missing something?
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Post by soccerdaddy on Apr 26, 2019 15:21:14 GMT -5
Please clarify is SCCL > SCCL premier or SCCL Premier > SCCL I believe it's SCCL (1) > SCCL-P (2) This is too confusing. Premier SCCL is below SCCL (Original)? Do we know for sure? I want to see what the Big 5 say about the different teams and what Sites they will play out of. Will UFA Norcross, NTH Milton keep the top team or will they be dealt with the Premier team? Will SSA and UFA drop NPL to be in SCCL Premier and if so, they will want the better players to be on the original SCCL. What will happen??? Sounds like a stirring hornets nest...The Big clubs will have to announce,"Who's on first, what's on second and I don't know is on third"
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 26, 2019 15:31:06 GMT -5
Will see how it goes
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 26, 2019 15:36:01 GMT -5
But the AFU boys have a few teams in NL I beLieve...girLs onLy 1 for the faLL.
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Post by blu on Apr 26, 2019 15:45:14 GMT -5
From GSA's Facebook:
We are proud to be a founding member of an organization that puts the needs of its members FIRST‼️
This Fall GSA teams will compete in the ECNL, SCCL, and now the SCCL Premier - West division extending our club-centric programming 3️⃣ levels for *13U-19U age groups.
*SCCL will host two 12U Boys and two 12U Girls teams for 2019-20 in the top SCCL Division; SCCL Premier will fall directly underneath our SCCL programming beginning at 13U
More info to come on how this enhances our programming at GSA 🔴⚫
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 26, 2019 15:58:40 GMT -5
Im curious if AFU will hedge their bets like AFC did this year and have a team co-enrolled in GA soccer and SCCL-P in the fall. This new divison would definitely be a step down for teams currently on NL. Or...if am age group has a team in NL keep it there and put the next lower team in SCCL.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 26, 2019 15:59:51 GMT -5
I believe it's SCCL (1) > SCCL-P (2) This is too confusing. Premier SCCL is below SCCL (Original)? Do we know for sure? I want to see what the Big 5 say about the different teams and what Sites they will play out of. Will UFA Norcross, NTH Milton keep the top team or will they be dealt with the Premier team? Will SSA and UFA drop NPL to be in SCCL Premier and if so, they will want the better players to be on the original SCCL. What will happen??? Sounds like a stirring hornets nest...The Big clubs will have to announce,"Who's on first, what's on second and I don't know is on third" I don't think it is confusing. I expect the clubs will make decisions on what teams will play SCCL and SCCL-P internally and will announce that when they announce coaching projections. I don't know what SSA and UFA will do about NPL but I doubt they will put their NPL team into the Premier division unless it is clearly a lower level team than the one in SCCL. UFA and SSA did NPL concurrently with their regular schedules in the past (except this season) so they could likely do it again if they want to.
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Post by atlutd17 on Apr 26, 2019 16:08:16 GMT -5
So assuming the obvious SCCL is still what it is, and SCCL Premier is next step down:
AFU 2nd team (top in ECNL), gets to play in SCCL Premier (as opposed to NL) vs: Carolina FC 2nd or 3rd team (also in NPL?), CF 3rd team, SSA 3rd or 4th team (also in NPL?), GSA 3rd team, UFA 3rd or 4th team (also in NPL?), NTH 4th team. That's Classic 1/2 or Athena AB .. what am I missing? And what does this mean for NPL getting further watered down (or vice versa for SCCL) at the end of the day?
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Post by atlutd17 on Apr 26, 2019 16:10:08 GMT -5
This is too confusing. Premier SCCL is below SCCL (Original)? Do we know for sure? I want to see what the Big 5 say about the different teams and what Sites they will play out of. Will UFA Norcross, NTH Milton keep the top team or will they be dealt with the Premier team? Will SSA and UFA drop NPL to be in SCCL Premier and if so, they will want the better players to be on the original SCCL. What will happen??? Sounds like a stirring hornets nest...The Big clubs will have to announce,"Who's on first, what's on second and I don't know is on third" I don't think it is confusing. I expect the clubs will make decisions on what teams will play SCCL and SCCL-P internally and will announce that when they announce coaching projections. I don't know what SSA and UFA will do about NPL but I doubt they will put their NPL team into the Premier division unless it is clearly a lower level team than the one in SCCL. UFA and SSA did NPL concurrently with their regular schedules in the past (except this season) so they could likely do it again if they want to. Can't. NPL goes to a full blown schedule home/away series like ECNL and SCCL. Too many games to be in more than one league going forward.
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Post by putmeincoach on Apr 26, 2019 16:33:01 GMT -5
I don't think it is confusing. I expect the clubs will make decisions on what teams will play SCCL and SCCL-P internally and will announce that when they announce coaching projections. I don't know what SSA and UFA will do about NPL but I doubt they will put their NPL team into the Premier division unless it is clearly a lower level team than the one in SCCL. UFA and SSA did NPL concurrently with their regular schedules in the past (except this season) so they could likely do it again if they want to. Can't. NPL goes to a full blown schedule home/away series like ECNL and SCCL. Too many games to be in more than one league going forward. NPL is already full blown home and away and all the older teams still have several games left to try and play. 18 league games seems like to many for NPL. It looks like some teams wont even finish out their schedule.
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Post by atlutd17 on Apr 26, 2019 16:40:47 GMT -5
Can't. NPL goes to a full blown schedule home/away series like ECNL and SCCL. Too many games to be in more than one league going forward. NPL is already full blown home and away and all the older teams still have several games left to try and play. 18 league games seems like to many for NPL. It looks like some teams wont even finish out their schedule. Yes. And this would be the 3rd year in a row NPL could end the season with unfinished games and incomplete standings.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Apr 26, 2019 17:25:37 GMT -5
Bad move for AFU. Demotion for the 2-3 teams they have in NL on the girls side. Their U14’s beat 2 NPL teams and tied with 1 in the fall . They tied the current GSA SCCL team in the state cup last year . They have lost to the really strong LSA 05 Gold team by one goal the last three games against them. They lost last year to Roswell 05 2-1, and a few weeks ago 1-0. Roswell won the Piedmont Conference. That team would be very strong in SCCL-1. They finished 5th out of 12 teams in the NL. Totally agree, Atlanta Fire below ecnl will now be a demotion
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 26, 2019 17:26:37 GMT -5
NPL is already full blown home and away and all the older teams still have several games left to try and play. 18 league games seems like to many for NPL. It looks like some teams wont even finish out their schedule. Yes. And this would be the 3rd year in a row NPL could end the season with unfinished games and incomplete standings. This is because NPL is a secondary league for all but 3 teams that are currently playing in it. So UFA, SSA and USA Mt Pleasant (not even all age groups for Mt Pleasant) are the only ones playing ONLY NPL. ALL of the North Carolina teams and AFC Lightning did double duty (playing state league or Piedmont). 9 of the 12 teams played in 2 leagues. Sometimes with the rain outs they have not been able to reschedule and there have been forfeits. There have also been games played once and counted twice rather than a team having to forfeit. If NPL went back to being an adjunct league they could go back to playing 9 games instead of 18. They could just assign a few weekends where everyone met in the same place and do it like a tournament. Otherwise NPL should MANDATE that it is the only league the team plays in. If they did that, and made the NPL Finals the carrot by combining it with ECNL like they do for the boys, then it would not have forfeits and unplayed games.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 26, 2019 17:27:49 GMT -5
Can't. NPL goes to a full blown schedule home/away series like ECNL and SCCL. Too many games to be in more than one league going forward. NPL is already full blown home and away and all the older teams still have several games left to try and play. 18 league games seems like to many for NPL. It looks like some teams wont even finish out their schedule. See my comments above.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 26, 2019 17:34:14 GMT -5
So assuming the obvious SCCL is still what it is, and SCCL Premier is next step down: AFU 2nd team (top in ECNL), gets to play in SCCL Premier (as opposed to NL) vs: Carolina FC 2nd or 3rd team (also in NPL?), CF 3rd team, SSA 3rd or 4th team (also in NPL?), GSA 3rd team, UFA 3rd or 4th team (also in NPL?), NTH 4th team. That's Classic 1/2 or Athena AB .. what am I missing? And what does this mean for NPL getting further watered down (or vice versa for SCCL) at the end of the day? I don't think you are missing anything. The clubs wanted to be managed by US Club instead of US Youth. This is not a Georgia only phenomenon as you can see. The Carolina league (CCL) was formed at the same time roughly. They did it for younger age groups but I think there are numerous states that have done something like this. They have switched for customer service reasons and what they felt was a better platform. It is like switching from DirecTV to Netflix.
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Post by girlcoach on Apr 26, 2019 18:04:37 GMT -5
So assuming the obvious SCCL is still what it is, and SCCL Premier is next step down: AFU 2nd team (top in ECNL), gets to play in SCCL Premier (as opposed to NL) vs: Carolina FC 2nd or 3rd team (also in NPL?), CF 3rd team, SSA 3rd or 4th team (also in NPL?), GSA 3rd team, UFA 3rd or 4th team (also in NPL?), NTH 4th team. That's Classic 1/2 or Athena AB .. what am I missing? And what does this mean for NPL getting further watered down (or vice versa for SCCL) at the end of the day? No you are not missing something but it is Athena AB level from 2 years ago. With all these teams gone to the SCCL divisions or to NL to replace defectors to SCCL, Athena AB will be what used to be Athena BC. I think GA Soccer will have to changes the divisions from 13 teams to 7 teams, play home and away.
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Post by 4theloveofsoccer on Apr 26, 2019 18:38:53 GMT -5
Bad move for AFU. Demotion for the 2-3 teams they have in NL on the girls side. Their U14’s beat 2 NPL teams and tied with 1 in the fall . They tied the current GSA SCCL team in the state cup last year . They have lost to the really strong LSA 05 Gold team by one goal the last three games against them. They lost last year to Roswell 05 2-1, and a few weeks ago 1-0. Roswell won the Piedmont Conference. That team would be very strong in SCCL-1. They finished 5th out of 12 teams in the NL. I think it's good AFU now has SCCL and it doesn't matter which tier they are placed as they were originally part of the plan. I like the idea of adding more local teams to SCCL as well. It will be interesting how many out of state teams will be added in the future, you don't want to expand too far out as this league was created to be more cost friendly correct? From what I hear it has been well managed for the first year and I hope this continues.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 27, 2019 1:53:24 GMT -5
If SCCL > than SCCL-P does this mean that another announcement is pending on the same sort of expansion for that division? I'm not understanding why you would have so many clubs in at a lower level & then cut it off to at the next level up. Why would you have a lower level group of teams traveling more? Am I missing something? I think we all have to see how things shake out with SCCL, SCCL-P, etc. Remember, we've not even completed one full season within this new league yet. What you are seeing, is an assembling of what will be the future, outside of DA, ECNL and on a lesser note NPL. Not all kids can play, can afford, want to travel or even want to play in the bigger and well known leagues of DA/ECNL. I have heard that ultimately SCCL will be similar to the previous NL/RPL/SRPL, promotion, relegation, state-cup, nat'l cup format. The only difference is we pay US Club to manage and organize it better. Plus, the founding Big 5 clubs, will have more of a say in how things shake out and which league or clubs they want to align with. The good/bad thing about the SCCL is there is crazy interest in this model and i've heard upwards of 20+ clubs around the south east have shown interest in joining or doing something similar. So don't be surprised if more mergers, alliances and adding of clubs from the region is still on the horizon...FG
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Post by soccergurl on Apr 27, 2019 19:33:37 GMT -5
For ufa where will sccl 2 be played out of norcross too?
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Post by soccerdaddy on Apr 27, 2019 19:52:25 GMT -5
For ufa where will sccl 2 be played out of norcross too? Good question I’m wondering the same and if the top team is out of Fowler I’m sure Norcross will be upset and if the top team is at Norcross, Fowler will be upset. So, solution to the problem is have a top team at both Norcross and Fowler for SCCL & SCCL Premier. Not sure if they will allow it?
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Post by soccerlady on Apr 27, 2019 20:40:44 GMT -5
AFU will be run in the ground by Pettus, Leisz, and Holtz. They have no clue what they are doing. Anyone who has actually watched the AFU 05 NL girls play would know that SCCL 2 is two steps down for that team.
People can spin it any way they want it, with the cute PR releases and nice maps of the SCCL 2 brackets. It's still a step-down.
I'm sure if the members of the AFU board have children at AFU who currently play at a higher level than SCCL 1, they sure as heck won't let them drop down to SCCL 2!
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Post by soccerdaddy on Apr 27, 2019 20:47:29 GMT -5
AFU will be run in the ground by Pettus, Leisz, and Holtz. They have no clue what they are doing. Anyone who has actually watched the AFU 05 NL girls play would know that SCCL 2 is two steps down for that team. People can spin it any way they want it, with the cute PR releases and nice maps of the SCCL 2 brackets. It's still a step-down. I'm sure if the members of the AFU board have children at AFU who currently play at a higher level than SCCL 1, they sure as heck won't let them drop down to SCCL 2! Good thing is the Parents and Players can go choose before next season. It sounds like you are grateful that AFU announced before tryouts 👍
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Post by heretounderstand on Apr 27, 2019 20:58:42 GMT -5
AFU will be run in the ground by Pettus, Leisz, and Holtz. They have no clue what they are doing. Anyone who has actually watched the AFU 05 NL girls play would know that SCCL 2 is two steps down for that team. People can spin it any way they want it, with the cute PR releases and nice maps of the SCCL 2 brackets. It's still a step-down. I'm sure if the members of the AFU board have children at AFU who currently play at a higher level than SCCL 1, they sure as heck won't let them drop down to SCCL 2! Actually MM calls the shots as far as leagues and coaching. The actual Directors can now do their jobs as far as what is best for the club. Sounds like your family will be moving on, best of luck to wherever you end up. These folks are allowing MM to do his job and that is a good thing. Getting into SCCL is good for AFU. I respectfully disagree with your opinions on all.
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