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Post by atlsoccer on Apr 29, 2019 10:21:58 GMT -5
If you would believe the NTH parent from the fall, 06 NTH Navy was offered the NL spot but something happened regarding paperwork or something. I thought GA Soccer lost the case brought up by the big 5 regarding exclusion of SCCL clubs from NL? We will just have to see how things fall in the next 3 weeks really. It’s not Georgia Soccer saying no, the NL is run by US youth Soccer and they are saying no to us club soccer clubs. I don't think this is entirely correct. While NL is not run by Georgia Soccer, Georgia Soccer is responsible for nominating participants from Georgia. Which is how US Club clubs were excluded originally, through Georgia soccer, not US youth. I don't see anything excluding a club from doing SCCL with some teams an NL with others (unless SCCL does). I am also not saying that will, but isn't this how AFC was able to play NPL and NL last year?
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Post by atlsoccer on Apr 29, 2019 10:27:52 GMT -5
IMHO, I believe the modus operandi should be like GDA. You don't move GDA to the Mountains or south Georgia, based on them having a good enough team. It stays at Fowler. The same should be true of SCCL. Yes the players can come from other locations and other clubs, but it is run out of Norcross. Much like NPL is run out of Fowler, SCCL should be run out of Norcross and SCCL-P should be run out of Fowler.. I do not know that it should be changed or moved, but why is the way UFA operates GDA correct? It seems this is more about having qualified,trusted coaches and making it convient for them to coach multiple teams. If the best players (what DA wants) are in the Mountains, or South Georgia (doubtful) why would it be wrong/bad to give that team the DA or SCCL spot? I am actually think I prefer the club wide leagues and predicatbility, so am arguing a little against my own thoughts here, but I can see both side.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 29, 2019 10:38:01 GMT -5
In any other situation, I would concur. However, when a team is chosen club-wide, I think it should have a home. Everyone who goes to tryouts for said team is already aware where and when training and games will occur. Plus specific to UFA and Norcross, they already struggle with numbers and talent staying at the club and going to rival clubs in the area. The original goal was to have the top two leagues(DA & NPL) out of Fowler and the third division out of Norcross. That way it would mitigate the loss of players, families, revenue and keep the Norcross Branch a viable option for those in the area with a decent product in SCCL. Also, who makes the decision on which team is better, the coaches from the Norcross, Fowler or an independent board. I honestly, don't have a dog in this, I just think we should stick with the model of TPDL...🤪🤪
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Post by atlsoccer on Apr 29, 2019 11:25:18 GMT -5
That makes a lot of sense, which is why I lean toward club wide leagues in general. I don't know if I have ever been as frustrated as going to tryouts with one team promising one level, one club saying that Georgia soccer won't set the brackets months and not know who to believe or what level the team will play.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 29, 2019 11:26:04 GMT -5
In any other situation, I would concur. However, when a team is chosen club-wide, I think it should have a home. Everyone who goes to tryouts for said team is already aware where and when training and games will occur. Plus specific to UFA and Norcross, they already struggle with numbers and talent staying at the club and going to rival clubs in the area. The original goal was to have the top two leagues(DA & NPL) out of Fowler and the third division out of Norcross. That way it would mitigate the loss of players, families, revenue and keep the Norcross Branch a viable option for those in the area with a decent product in SCCL. Also, who makes the decision on which team is better, the coaches from the Norcross, Fowler or an independent board. I honestly, don't have a dog in this, I just think we should stick with the model of TPDL...🤪🤪 I agree with what you are saying in theory. The question is whether it will actually work in practice. Like I said in a previous post, I am aware of one Norcross SCCL team that the parents and players feel they are in over their heads (maybe not all of them but some of them definitely do). Is SCCL attractive enough to draw players in?? Good question. Maybe this team can draw some players from AFU who don't want to be SCCL-P but think SCCL is better for them? If so, then the theory works in practice. If those AFU players either stay to play SCCL-P or instead decide to try out for a better SCCL team (GSA or Concorde for example) then Norcross is still going to be over their heads.
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Post by ultimatedad on Apr 29, 2019 15:19:03 GMT -5
The SCCL is not attractive enough to draw players in. It is not a league that players would aspire to. It is a league that players will settle for and that is more than it's creators could have ever hoped for. People have actauly used the word "elite" in this forum when talking about the SCCL. This is how confused the parents at the "big 5" clubs are.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Apr 29, 2019 16:02:30 GMT -5
The SCCL is not attractive enough to draw players in. It is not a league that players would aspire to. It is a league that players will settle for and that is more than it's creators could have ever hoped for. People have actauly used the word "elite" in this forum when talking about the SCCL. This is how confused the parents at the "big 5" clubs are. I don't think it's "elite" but I don't think half the leagues and teams that call themselves elite are elite either. I think the Big 5 want to be elite though or at least better than Classic I or Athena A. I think they will succeed in that because it is run better than GA soccer runs their leagues.
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Post by Keeper on Apr 29, 2019 16:22:40 GMT -5
The SCCL is not attractive enough to draw players in. It is not a league that players would aspire to. It is a league that players will settle for and that is more than it's creators could have ever hoped for. People have actauly used the word "elite" in this forum when talking about the SCCL. This is how confused the parents at the "big 5" clubs are. Are you really that arrogant, or just naive? I’m not a fan of SCCL and not at a current SCCL club but yes it is a top level league that a majority of players would love to play at. It’s essentially Athena A or Classic 1 and once the bugs get fixed it’ll be closer to the old RPL league it was created to replace. Hell a majority of players are ecstatic to make a select team and not play Rec. Look at the big picture of soccer, not just the “Elites”.
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Apr 29, 2019 16:44:21 GMT -5
The SCCL is not attractive enough to draw players in. It is not a league that players would aspire to. It is a league that players will settle for and that is more than it's creators could have ever hoped for. People have actauly used the word "elite" in this forum when talking about the SCCL. This is how confused the parents at the "big 5" clubs are. Ultimatedad. It great that you don't think it is attractive. Please stop scaring people about this league. My daughter happens to play in it and I enjoy it as well as she does. many if the parents in the league enjoy it as well. We all understand you don't like the league so don't play in it. We are all happy that you are on a great team and a great league but stop complaining about everything else. A large majority of your post are attacking other teams and leagues STOP PLEASE. If you are happy where you are promote that.
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Post by 4theloveofsoccer on Apr 29, 2019 16:48:08 GMT -5
In any other situation, I would concur. However, when a team is chosen club-wide, I think it should have a home. Everyone who goes to tryouts for said team is already aware where and when training and games will occur. Plus specific to UFA and Norcross, they already struggle with numbers and talent staying at the club and going to rival clubs in the area. The original goal was to have the top two leagues(DA & NPL) out of Fowler and the third division out of Norcross. That way it would mitigate the loss of players, families, revenue and keep the Norcross Branch a viable option for those in the area with a decent product in SCCL. Also, who makes the decision on which team is better, the coaches from the Norcross, Fowler or an independent board. I honestly, don't have a dog in this, I just think we should stick with the model of TPDL...🤪🤪 I agree with what you are saying in theory. The question is whether it will actually work in practice. Like I said in a previous post, I am aware of one Norcross SCCL team that the parents and players feel they are in over their heads (maybe not all of them but some of them definitely do). Is SCCL attractive enough to draw players in?? Good question. Maybe this team can draw some players from AFU who don't want to be SCCL-P but think SCCL is better for them? If so, then the theory works in practice. If those AFU players either stay to play SCCL-P or instead decide to try out for a better SCCL team (GSA or Concorde for example) then Norcross is still going to be over their heads. I initially thought it would be good for AFU no matter the situation. I can now see it being a negative for parents who think it is a step back if they are placed in the SCCL-P tier, as they would look elsewhere to UFA Norcross, GSA and etc. In the long term though overall I do think it is better for the club to be included in SCCL.
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Post by attackingthird on Apr 29, 2019 17:08:42 GMT -5
The SCCL is not attractive enough to draw players in. It is not a league that players would aspire to. It is a league that players will settle for and that is more than it's creators could have ever hoped for. People have actauly used the word "elite" in this forum when talking about the SCCL. This is how confused the parents at the "big 5" clubs are. This is a matter of perspective. If your Mia is destined to play college and you want to drive her all over the country in hopes that Mr. D1 coach notices her, then maybe SCCL is not for you. But, once your child reaches an age to realize that D3 in the northeast is where she's headed and that's not really the life she wants, then playing very competitive soccer with her friends, less travel, less expense and time to spend on academics may be the ticket. The SCCL, beginning at U16 will attract a lot of talented smart kids that want to put academics first and do not plan to play D1 soccer in college. That's something to aspire to.
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Apr 29, 2019 17:24:02 GMT -5
The SCCL is not attractive enough to draw players in. It is not a league that players would aspire to. It is a league that players will settle for and that is more than it's creators could have ever hoped for. People have actauly used the word "elite" in this forum when talking about the SCCL. This is how confused the parents at the "big 5" clubs are. This is a matter of perspective. If your Mia is destined to play college and you want to drive her all over the country in hopes that Mr. D1 coach notices her, then maybe SCCL is not for you. But, once your child reaches an age to realize that D3 in the northeast is where she's headed and that's not really the life she wants, then playing very competitive soccer with her friends, less travel, less expense and time to spend on academics may be the ticket. The SCCL, beginning at U16 will attract a lot of talented smart kids that want to put academics first and do not plan to play D1 soccer in college. That's something to aspire to. Attackingthird I agree with everything that you said but one thing. There are players that are being looked at D2 schools as well as lower D1 schools. Not everyone needs to be in DA or ECNL to go to college to play like ultimatedad says. I think he just likes to be negative about everything just look at 80% of his posts
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Post by ultimatedad on Apr 29, 2019 18:34:08 GMT -5
I actually believe that ECNL is no longer such a good college track. Just look at the colleges that Atlanta ECNL players are going to. Not very impresive. In fact any of you that are using soccer to get your daughters into soccer I would reconsider and switch to lacross or golf.
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Post by ultimatedad on Apr 29, 2019 18:34:52 GMT -5
We can't all see things through rose colored glasses.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 29, 2019 18:40:56 GMT -5
Concorde will continue to attract top girl players for ECNL and coaches will recruit from there with certainty. Too much quality.
Concorde in general - they are a beast. Some good argue they have gotten better since AU rolled into to town. I tend to be one of those people. I’m amazed on the boys side they didn’t realize skip a beat. Keep in mind they weren’t world beaters before AU, but now they seem to be attracting a larger player pool then years past.
Concorde has been doing it for decades no - they will continue on.
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Post by attackingthird on Apr 29, 2019 18:56:43 GMT -5
This is a matter of perspective. If your Mia is destined to play college and you want to drive her all over the country in hopes that Mr. D1 coach notices her, then maybe SCCL is not for you. But, once your child reaches an age to realize that D3 in the northeast is where she's headed and that's not really the life she wants, then playing very competitive soccer with her friends, less travel, less expense and time to spend on academics may be the ticket. The SCCL, beginning at U16 will attract a lot of talented smart kids that want to put academics first and do not plan to play D1 soccer in college. That's something to aspire to. Attackingthird I agree with everything that you said but one thing. There are players that are being looked at D2 schools as well as lower D1 schools. Not everyone needs to be in DA or ECNL to go to college to play like ultimatedad says. I think he just likes to be negative about everything just look at 80% of his posts You are correct. Got a little carried away. We actually have 2 or 3 D1/D2 prospects on our team and they could play at higher levels but realize that in order to be attractive to colleges, you need good grades and have prioritized school work over travel. They also have great friends and kick butt on the field.
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Apr 29, 2019 19:46:19 GMT -5
I actually believe that ECNL is no longer such a good college track. Just look at the colleges that Atlanta ECNL players are going to. Not very impresive. In fact any of you that are using soccer to get your daughters into soccer I would reconsider and switch to lacross or golf. So I guess we will be seeing you on the Georgia lacrosse forum? Let know how it goes for you and your family over there. Some people hear have their kid playing for the love of the game
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Apr 30, 2019 9:16:38 GMT -5
Attackingthird I agree with everything that you said but one thing. There are players that are being looked at D2 schools as well as lower D1 schools. Not everyone needs to be in DA or ECNL to go to college to play like ultimatedad says. I think he just likes to be negative about everything just look at 80% of his posts You are correct. Got a little carried away. We actually have 2 or 3 D1/D2 prospects on our team and they could play at higher levels but realize that in order to be attractive to colleges, you need good grades and have prioritized school work over travel. They also have great friends and kick butt on the field. Totally agree as well. There are at least 2 kids on my son's team that could play DA but don't want to because they can't play middle and high school soccer. If they keep up what they are doing and improve they definitely could see a D2 or lower D1 scholarship go their way. I don't think the leagues matter as much as people think. If a kid is good enough to play D1 or D2 soccer they will be found as long as they are on any Select style team. We are honored to have those two kids on our team, and it pushes the rest of them including my son to be better.
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Post by interestedspectator on Apr 30, 2019 10:32:35 GMT -5
Conversation about the standard in SCCL is interesting. The Tophat SCCL had 9 college commits, including 2 going D1. They also had 5 others turn down offers to schools as they wanted to focus on academics at major schools.
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Apr 30, 2019 10:52:20 GMT -5
Conversation about the standard in SCCL is interesting. The Tophat SCCL had 9 college commits, including 2 going D1. They also had 5 others turn down offers to schools as they wanted to focus on academics at major schools. Can you guys stop saying stuff like this. Don't you know that the SCCL is a poorly run classic 3/ Athena C league were nobody gets looked at. The quality of soccer is horrible. LOL. Parent if your child is quality player and has the skills you will be looked at by a coach. Granted the higher up you are the better the chances. Stop listening to the negative post on here and do what is right for you and your family. Kids get looked at at DA/ECNL/NL/ SCCL and all the other alphabet leagues. Stop listening to people who have negative thought and go see for yourself. You have about 4-5 people who hate SCCL but you have hundreds who love it. Funny how a league that is so bad is expanding.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 30, 2019 11:52:59 GMT -5
I don't think it speaks to SCCL so much as it does NTH. Their girls 3rd tier team owned the league in all but two of the SCCL brackets (where they were 2nd).
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Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 30, 2019 12:56:42 GMT -5
The SCCL hasn't even completed its first full season. It's a quality league and will get more recognition and respect with each season. As the seasons mount, and inter-league competition happens it will show what it is and we'll see kids moving to college teams in years to come.
It's not DA/ECNL but it does have players with the skills to play at the next level.
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Post by OTPSoccer on Apr 30, 2019 13:01:49 GMT -5
Last year, SCCL tryouts occurred at the end of May. Tomorrow is May 1. Why haven't tryout dates been announced yet (for SCCL, DA, ECNL, Classic/Athena)? I've checked several club websites and see nothing. It just seems like the time period between tryouts being announced and the tryout dates gets shorter and shorter every year.
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Post by cleansheet on Apr 30, 2019 13:04:11 GMT -5
Last year, SCCL tryouts occurred at the end of May. Tomorrow is May 1. Why haven't tryout dates been announced yet (for SCCL, DA, ECNL, Classic/Athena)? I've checked several club websites and see nothing. It just seems like the time period between tryouts being announced and the tryout dates gets shorter and shorter every year. Everyone knows <u13 is last week in May. >u13 is first week of June.
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Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 30, 2019 13:53:41 GMT -5
Last year, SCCL tryouts occurred at the end of May. Tomorrow is May 1. Why haven't tryout dates been announced yet (for SCCL, DA, ECNL, Classic/Athena)? I've checked several club websites and see nothing. It just seems like the time period between tryouts being announced and the tryout dates gets shorter and shorter every year. Everyone knows <u13 is last week in May. >u13 is first week of June. obviously NOT everyone knows... stop sounding so condescending, you could have answered without the "everyone knows" comment.
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Post by girlsoccer on Apr 30, 2019 14:00:35 GMT -5
Last year, SCCL tryouts occurred at the end of May. Tomorrow is May 1. Why haven't tryout dates been announced yet (for SCCL, DA, ECNL, Classic/Athena)? I've checked several club websites and see nothing. It just seems like the time period between tryouts being announced and the tryout dates gets shorter and shorter every year. The NTH website has the dates, locations and times for academy and has dates for u14-u19 (June 4,5,6).
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Post by cleansheet on Apr 30, 2019 14:05:58 GMT -5
Everyone knows <u13 is last week in May. >u13 is first week of June. obviously NOT everyone knows... stop sounding so condescending, you could have answered without the "everyone knows" comment. Yes Sir!
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 30, 2019 14:27:20 GMT -5
Last year, SCCL tryouts occurred at the end of May. Tomorrow is May 1. Why haven't tryout dates been announced yet (for SCCL, DA, ECNL, Classic/Athena)? I've checked several club websites and see nothing. It just seems like the time period between tryouts being announced and the tryout dates gets shorter and shorter every year. UFA has the tryout dates up, times and locations up for all except girls DA where times and dates are up but not which age groups at which times. As a previous poster said, historically tryouts for U13 and under are the Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday after Memorial day and the U14 and up the following week. This was originally a Georgia Soccer rule that those dates were the earliest dates you could do (and thus everyone did it those days). Now some clubs are doing ID camps earlier than that.
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Post by blu on Apr 30, 2019 15:36:59 GMT -5
8U-13U players (birth years 2007 - 2013) May 28, 29 and 30, 2019
*13U ECNL/SCCL teams will tryout during the week of 8U-13U Academy/Select tryouts. These teams will host tryouts together at the same time at the same location. Players will be able to also tryout for 13U park-based teams as well. See info below on tryout locations.
Select 14U - 19U players (birth years 2006 - 2001): ECNL, SCCL, and SCCL Premier Teams June 3, 4, and 5, 2019
*To better serve our members, we are going to begin ECNL/SCCL tryouts on Monday, June 3rd. These teams will host tryouts together at the same location at the same time. Players will be able to also tryout for 14U-19U park-based teams beginning June 4th)
Select 14U - 19U players (birth years 2006 - 2001): Classic and Athena Teams (State League Teams) June 4, 5 and 6, 2019
**probably similar for all clubs
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 30, 2019 16:26:28 GMT -5
How will GSA will handle the SCCL-P?. Will they give it to the North/Dacula branch or run out of Lilburn like the rest? Would seem to make sense to me to throw a bone to Dacula, but I wonder...Seems to me like the Dacula side has gotten a lot weaker since the merger (on the girls side).
Will they be holding ECNL tryouts at GAC again?
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