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Post by OTPSoccer on Apr 30, 2019 16:28:17 GMT -5
Thank you for the posts on GSA and UFA. I had to dig a little for the UFA tryout info, but found it. NASA has some info posted as well. Concorde has a placeholder for their tryouts. SSA has not posted any tryout info that I've seen, but I'm sure that will change in the next couple days. And a lot of this info appears to be new over the past week.
Maybe there's a method to the GA soccer madness, but other states have already had tryouts for fall ECNL. I'm not advocating for March tryouts for a fall team. But if it is widely known how tryouts work in Georgia, then my recommendation to all clubs (or even GA Soccer) would be to educate the parents on how the tryout system works in Georgia. I've been through several tryouts, so I know how it works. My post came more out of frustration than lack of knowledge. We're basically 30 days out from tryouts and teams are now releasing information. Clearly this is driven from somewhere above (e.g. GA Soccer). But if that's the case, then just update your website in January to say "Stay tuned, tryout information will be released on [date]."
While many of us have gone through this before, there are a lot of parents with 8 year olds that are interested in club soccer and don't know how things work. That's why this forum is so helpful. The same is true for people moving from out of state -- things aren't done the same here as other states. In other states, you don't have one set of tryout dates for every club in the state.
Small vent and sorry to clog the SCCL thread with this.
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Post by blu on Apr 30, 2019 16:46:17 GMT -5
How will GSA will handle the SCCL-P?. Will they give it to the North/Dacula branch or run out of Lilburn like the rest? Would seem to make sense to me to throw a bone to Dacula, but I wonder...Seems to me like the Dacula side has gotten a lot weaker since the merger (on the girls side). Will they be holding ECNL tryouts at GAC again? Pre tryout "camps" are held 5/11 boys and 5/16 girls.
Actual tryouts it looks like boys at North, Girls at South.
I can't speak for the older age groups but the younger age groups try to practice at a more central location like Rhodes Jordan or GGC. I did see the older ECNL teams at GGC though. Among the younger teams it seems the majority of the players are from North (very limited exposure so don't hold me to it).
I honestly don't know how they plan to handle SCCL-P this year. Last year SCCL was a 2nd team mix of North/South for all age groups, I don't see that changing.
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Post by soccertaxi on May 1, 2019 14:46:44 GMT -5
curious why AFU would agree or SCCL would want the AFU 05 ELITE boys team to drop down from NL to play SCCL-p. Speaking from boys side- we've already beat all the SCCL elite teams last year when we were all in Classic together. I would think that would drive those ELITE players to clubs with higher level teams- ECNL/DA/ or even SCCL-elite division
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Post by ultimatedad on May 1, 2019 22:46:04 GMT -5
Or even back to classic 1 if higher competition is desired.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 2, 2019 6:14:39 GMT -5
curious why AFU would agree or SCCL would want the AFU 05 ELITE boys team to drop down from NL to play SCCL-p. Speaking from boys side- we've already beat all the SCCL elite teams last year when we were all in Classic together. I would think that would drive those ELITE players to clubs with higher level teams- ECNL/DA/ or even SCCL-elite division People have said the same about the 05 girls elite team. I can't answer it for you except to say that they probably made the decision on what was best for most teams. Also with the intent of moving higher into SCCL next year after the initial season in SCCL-P. Sometimes when people are building something for the future some things get sacrificed along the way. It just stinks for those families that are part of the sacrifice.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 2, 2019 7:35:45 GMT -5
Really, the most important part is the level of competition. SCCL provides better exposure. I know the 03 GSA girls were invited to play at ECNL SC last fall.
The above poster is correct that this move was made for the 11 elite teams NOT in the NL at the expense of the 3 that are. If the AFU teams in SCCL-P win a majority of their brackets they help make the case for AFU getting a spot in SCCL-1 which IMO is on par with NL Piedmont.
AFU has a lot of lost ground to make up with regard to relationships with the big 5 and rebuilding the girls side due to it being neglected for a while. AFU SHOULD have been in the SCCL to begin with had certain parties not screwed that up.
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Post by soccertaxi on May 2, 2019 8:31:42 GMT -5
totally agree, same holds true for any AFU team playing classic 1/athena A. Their new SCC-p division is 3rd level teams from big 5- most of which sit in Athena B/Classic 2.
The club is trying to spin like it's a good thing and they think lots of new players from other clubs will come tryout as result. But when you look under the "hood"- we are certainly paying for past leadership issues by jumping in this hole for atleast a year.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 2, 2019 11:24:54 GMT -5
I think for most clubs (on the girls side), SCCL-P will be their current Athena A and some B teams (AFU Elite, UFA Red, GSA Premier, Concorde Black/Elite, NTH Navy/White).
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Post by heretounderstand on May 2, 2019 14:09:49 GMT -5
totally agree, same holds true for any AFU team playing classic 1/athena A. Their new SCC-p division is 3rd level teams from big 5- most of which sit in Athena B/Classic 2. The club is trying to spin like it's a good thing and they think lots of new players from other clubs will come tryout as result. But when you look under the "hood"- we are certainly paying for past leadership issues by jumping in this hole for atleast a year. IMO it's not being "spun" as a good thing, it is a good thing. GH was blocked last year from SCCL and now the current leadership has to dig out of his hole. One year being top dog in a league is not going to stifle the development of these two teams. They should also attend some tourneys which will put them to the test and afford the desired exposure. If the ECRL expands as they say they will then neither of those teams have to worry about SCCL-P because they are perfect candidates for ECRL. Perhaps that is the plan? I just received the AFU News Alert and they are definitely headed in the right direction. I AM looking under the hood and all I have to say is 'Well done MM.'
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Post by soccernotfootball on May 2, 2019 14:50:39 GMT -5
After all the forum complaints of a "lower league"... better hope they tear it up next year. Might be better to wait and just play the games.
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Post by 4theloveofsoccer on May 2, 2019 15:32:06 GMT -5
curious why AFU would agree or SCCL would want the AFU 05 ELITE boys team to drop down from NL to play SCCL-p. Speaking from boys side- we've already beat all the SCCL elite teams last year when we were all in Classic together. I would think that would drive those ELITE players to clubs with higher level teams- ECNL/DA/ or even SCCL-elite division Looking at the Peidmont Conference League website AFU finished last out of 10 teams participating with a record of 0-8-1. Maybe this would be a good thing for that team. Playing in SCCL-P makes more sense if players do decide to leave. events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=67394&GroupID=751848&Gender=Boys&Age=14
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Post by ga3v3 on May 2, 2019 17:11:13 GMT -5
curious why AFU would agree or SCCL would want the AFU 05 ELITE boys team to drop down from NL to play SCCL-p. Speaking from boys side- we've already beat all the SCCL elite teams last year when we were all in Classic together. I would think that would drive those ELITE players to clubs with higher level teams- ECNL/DA/ or even SCCL-elite division Looking at the Peidmont Conference League website AFU finished last out of 10 teams participating with a record of 0-8-1. Maybe this would be a good thing for that team. Playing in SCCL-P makes more sense if players do decide to leave. events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=67394&GroupID=751848&Gender=Boys&Age=14 That’s correct but as a side note the AFU Elite team didn’t even earn that spot in the NL. It was earned by their top team(ECNL now) and they just applied their way in. It definitely makes more sense for that team to play in a more localized league
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 3, 2019 8:48:25 GMT -5
I know at least one of the NL spots was given due to some big 5 teams being removed from SRPL.
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Post by pluto on May 3, 2019 9:09:32 GMT -5
GA 3V3.............make sure you clarify BOYS in your comments about AFU going 0-8-1....the girls went 6-3-2.
And to the poster who grouped AFU in with the Athena B level: nope. They are way above that level.
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Post by ultimatedad on May 3, 2019 14:02:46 GMT -5
Really, the most important part is the level of competition. SCCL provides better exposure. I know the 03 GSA girls were invited to play at ECNL SC last fall. The above poster is correct that this move was made for the 11 elite teams NOT in the NL at the expense of the 3 that are. If the AFU teams in SCCL-P win a majority of their brackets they help make the case for AFU getting a spot in SCCL-1 which IMO is on par with NL Piedmont. AFU has a lot of lost ground to make up with regard to relationships with the big 5 and rebuilding the girls side due to it being neglected for a while. AFU SHOULD have been in the SCCL to begin with had certain parties not screwed that up.
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Post by ultimatedad on May 3, 2019 14:08:49 GMT -5
Why would you think that SCCL 1 is close to National league? Most came from teams in Athena a and athena b with a couple teams that played in the National League that were facing relegation due to being out matched by other teams in the league. SCCL is basicaly Athena A/B for the big clubs. The level of play may be compared to NPL. But I would not even go that far. On the girl's side at least the competition in NL is similiar to ECNL.
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on May 3, 2019 15:02:06 GMT -5
Why would you think that SCCL 1 is close to National league? Most came from teams in Athena a and athena b with a couple teams that played in the National League that were facing relegation due to being out matched by other teams in the league. SCCL is basicaly Athena A/B for the big clubs. The level of play may be compared to NPL. But I would not even go that far. On the girl's side at least the competition in NL is similiar to ECNL. I'm shocked ultimatedad putting down SCCL that never happens. I love when someone talks about league they are not even part of. Also this league is in year one and continues to grow.
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Post by pluto on May 4, 2019 20:07:46 GMT -5
That AFU 05 Girl's NL team tied LSA NL today 1-1 ( the LSA team will cbe competing in Nationals this year). To those who say they were "given" the NL spot-----they've proven to deserve that level, having beat 3 NPL teams and drawing against the 4th team, and beating the GSA North 04 team's SCCL=1 team (playing an older team) earlier this year 1-0..............................
AFU NL has an ODP Keeper, and the back 4 has been together since U10, while two of them have been together since U7..................they earned everything they've accomplished.
Don't be surprised at what happens with this team next year.............................just sayin'
For those saying SCCL provides better exposure-maybe there is exposure at SCCL 1, but not SCCL 2......in the NL starting at U15 there are two college showcases......sure, this AFU 05 girls team can earn their way up to SCCL 1, but do you know what the girls think about it? They have already EARNED their way to at minimum SCCL 1. Look at what I wrote in the first paragraph.
NO parent on this thread would allow their Athena A player to be asked to drop to Athena C and then EARN their way back.
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Post by SoccerMom on May 4, 2019 20:29:10 GMT -5
That AFU 05 Girl's NL team tied LSA NL today 1-1 ( the LSA team will cbe competing in Nationals this year). To those who say they were "given" the NL spot-----they've proven to deserve that level, having beat 3 NPL teams and drawing against the 4th team, and beating the GSA North 04 team's SCCL=1 team (playing an older team) earlier this year 1-0.............................. AFU NL has an ODP Keeper, and the back 4 has been together since U10, while two of them have been together since U7..................they earned everything they've accomplished. Don't be surprised at what happens with this team next year.............................just sayin' For those saying SCCL provides better exposure-maybe there is exposure at SCCL 1, but not SCCL 2......in the NL starting at U15 there are two college showcases......sure, this AFU 05 girls team can earn their way up to SCCL 1, but do you know what the girls think about it? They have already EARNED their way to at minimum SCCL 1. Look at what I wrote in the first paragraph. NO parent on this thread would allow their Athena A player to be asked to drop to Athena C and then EARN their way back. So do you think those parents will leave AFU since SCCL 2 is beneath them?
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 4, 2019 20:55:24 GMT -5
That AFU 05 Girl's NL team tied LSA NL today 1-1 ( the LSA team will cbe competing in Nationals this year). To those who say they were "given" the NL spot-----they've proven to deserve that level, having beat 3 NPL teams and drawing against the 4th team, and beating the GSA North 04 team's SCCL=1 team (playing an older team) earlier this year 1-0.............................. AFU NL has an ODP Keeper, and the back 4 has been together since U10, while two of them have been together since U7..................they earned everything they've accomplished. Don't be surprised at what happens with this team next year.............................just sayin' For those saying SCCL provides better exposure-maybe there is exposure at SCCL 1, but not SCCL 2......in the NL starting at U15 there are two college showcases......sure, this AFU 05 girls team can earn their way up to SCCL 1, but do you know what the girls think about it? They have already EARNED their way to at minimum SCCL 1. Look at what I wrote in the first paragraph. NO parent on this thread would allow their Athena A player to be asked to drop to Athena C and then EARN their way back. I don't blame those parents and players. It is a good team. The issue is where to go? Do you try to stay together and find a club that does NL that could take on all of you? That might be difficult. Do you split up and go your own ways? More reasonable, but sad. Do you go as a whole team to tryout somewhere close by and hope that they take the whole team as an SCCL top level team? Do you try your own club as ECNL since there are some that probably could and should make the ECNL team? Good luck.
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Post by pluto on May 4, 2019 23:00:26 GMT -5
Who knows oraclesfriend. In no way am I saying this is a top 10 team in Ga. I'm just saying the team is very defensive oriented and solid. If they could find ONE striker and ONE attacking mid, they could be an ECNL team.
The had a full game scrimmage against the AFU 05 ECNL team in the fall, and even though halves at that age are 35 minutes, they played two 45 minutes halves.............and only lost 2-0.
The team is solid, not spectacular, but gritty and tough.
IMHO opinion, they should find a club that will take the core as NL, and the add a couple pieces at tryouts and they would be dominate. But I don't have a kid on the team so I have no clue what they will do.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 4, 2019 23:25:53 GMT -5
Well, a third of that team is trying out for AFU 05 ECNL. Also, i don't know of shes still playing for LSA or not (i doubt it), but one of the best 05's at LSA is now playing for CF 05 ECNL Premier.
I don't think anyone is debating whether this is a demotion for that team or any AFU team in the NL. The option is there for any of those girls that want it to move to LSA and join their 05 team that is gonna lose some girls. It's relatively close enough and they can continue to play in the NL.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 5, 2019 7:33:45 GMT -5
Well, a third of that team is trying out for AFU 05 ECNL. Also, i don't know of shes still playing for LSA or not (i doubt it), but one of the best 05's at LSA is now playing for CF 05 ECNL Premier. I don't think anyone is debating whether this is a demotion for that team or any AFU team in the NL. The option is there for any of those girls that want it to move to LSA and join their 05 team that is gonna lose some girls. It's relatively close enough and they can continue to play in the NL. LSA has 2 that play for CF 05 (the SSA team) as DP and have for the whole season. There is a third that has trained with that team as well. All 3 of those girls will be gone next season (IMO) and LSA could use a few strong players in the middle when they leave. LSA also has some players that I know are not as strong as the AFU Elite players so more than 3 could easily make that team if they wanted.
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Post by SoccerMom on May 5, 2019 9:51:48 GMT -5
Who knows oraclesfriend. In no way am I saying this is a top 10 team in Ga. I'm just saying the team is very defensive oriented and solid. If they could find ONE striker and ONE attacking mid, they could be an ECNL team. The had a full game scrimmage against the AFU 05 ECNL team in the fall, and even though halves at that age are 35 minutes, they played two 45 minutes halves.............and only lost 2-0. The team is solid, not spectacular, but gritty and tough. IMHO opinion, they should find a club that will take the core as NL, and the add a couple pieces at tryouts and they would be dominate. But I don't have a kid on the team so I have no clue what they will do. You don't have a kid on that team but have very strong opinions about it. If the big 5 had been playing Piedmont or NL how would this team have done? Unfortunately this is around the age where kids start hopping clubs so I doubt this team will stay intact.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 5, 2019 12:38:05 GMT -5
That AFU 05 Girl's NL team tied LSA NL today 1-1 ( the LSA team will cbe competing in Nationals this year). To those who say they were "given" the NL spot-----they've proven to deserve that level, having beat 3 NPL teams and drawing against the 4th team, and beating the GSA North 04 team's SCCL=1 team (playing an older team) earlier this year 1-0.............................. AFU NL has an ODP Keeper, and the back 4 has been together since U10, while two of them have been together since U7..................they earned everything they've accomplished. Don't be surprised at what happens with this team next year.............................just sayin' For those saying SCCL provides better exposure-maybe there is exposure at SCCL 1, but not SCCL 2......in the NL starting at U15 there are two college showcases......sure, this AFU 05 girls team can earn their way up to SCCL 1, but do you know what the girls think about it? They have already EARNED their way to at minimum SCCL 1. Look at what I wrote in the first paragraph. NO parent on this thread would allow their Athena A player to be asked to drop to Athena C and then EARN their way back. I don't blame those parents and players. It is a good team. The issue is where to go? Do you try to stay together and find a club that does NL that could take on all of you? That might be difficult. Do you split up and go your own ways? More reasonable, but sad. Do you go as a whole team to tryout somewhere close by and hope that they take the whole team as an SCCL top level team? Do you try your own club as ECNL since there are some that probably could and should make the ECNL team? Good luck. Let’s calm down about the Atlanta fire 05 NL team. Let’s remember this team finished 6th in Athena A last spring and only qualified for piedmont because all the teams ahead of them were ineligible as they were moving to SCCL. Then in Piedmont league they finished 5th out of 12 so barely qualified to continue Piedmont anyway. Also only reason they finished that high was because Hoover pulled down ECNL players for Piedmont at beginning of season in North Carolina weekend when ECNL was off and they won those 2 games. Their record without the Hoover ECNL assist is not great. Without the ECNL players they will make a fine SCCL 2 team but I doubt they even win that unless Atlanta Fire continues pulling ECNL players down. I’m hoping with new leadership that trend ends.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 5, 2019 12:47:56 GMT -5
Well, a third of that team is trying out for AFU 05 ECNL. Also, i don't know of shes still playing for LSA or not (i doubt it), but one of the best 05's at LSA is now playing for CF 05 ECNL Premier. I don't think anyone is debating whether this is a demotion for that team or any AFU team in the NL. The option is there for any of those girls that want it to move to LSA and join their 05 team that is gonna lose some girls. It's relatively close enough and they can continue to play in the NL. LSA has 2 that play for CF 05 (the SSA team) as DP and have for the whole season. There is a third that has trained with that team as well. All 3 of those girls will be gone next season (IMO) and LSA could use a few strong players in the middle when they leave. LSA also has some players that I know are not as strong as the AFU Elite players so more than 3 could easily make that team if they wanted. That's gotta be quite a haul if they're going to join that team...
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Post by pluto on May 6, 2019 6:41:57 GMT -5
LSA has 2 that play for CF 05 (the SSA team) as DP and have for the whole season. There is a third that has trained with that team as well. All 3 of those girls will be gone next season (IMO) and LSA could use a few strong players in the middle when they leave. LSA also has some players that I know are not as strong as the AFU Elite players so more than 3 could easily make that team if they wanted. That's gotta be quite a haul if they're going to join that team...
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Post by pluto on May 6, 2019 6:46:51 GMT -5
Soccermaxx, you don’t know what you are talking about .
1. They did NOT win both games in NC. They tied the first and won the second .
2. They pulled down 2 ecnl players for a weekend when they had three girls out but that was in SC. And they didn’t win both of those either . They won and tied (Discoveries). 3. The team that finished 6th in A the year before was not the same team . When GH took over he made that team better .
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Post by heretounderstand on May 6, 2019 9:41:50 GMT -5
Soccermaxx, you don’t know what you are talking about . 1. They did NOT win both games in NC. They tied the first and won the second . 2. They pulled down 2 ecnl players for a weekend when they had three girls out but that was in SC. And they didn’t win both of those either . They won and tied (Discoveries). 3. The team that finished 6th in A the year before was not the same team . When GH took over he made that team better . Seems like y’all need to find a club to hire GH since he made that team better and continue on the path to success with him. I know you say you don’t have a kid on the team but c’mon? No one has this many stats from a team they aren’t invested in, regardless if the stats are entirely true. From your posts it a sounds like you absolutely hate your current club so it makes sense to move on. Best of luck wherever you go but it seems like your current club is no longer a good fit. Instead of continuing to trash them, just move on and I think everyone will be a winner.
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Post by TheMadOx on May 6, 2019 10:40:29 GMT -5
I know for a fact, the season 05 AFU girls "qualified" for NL, they brought in up to 6 ECNL players to play Athena A matches. Without their ECNL players, they were a top Athena B team. And....because they kept bringing in ECNL players, the poor girls that were putting in the grind sat the bench. Many of those girls left for other clubs because of this. Now, this team isn't the same team, but I know they still bring in ECNL players to play games...they did so in preseason tournament this season. Let's see how they do in SCCL when they can't move players like before.
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