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Post by soccermaxx72 on Apr 23, 2019 9:59:12 GMT -5
Anyone know when official word will come down on future expansion/SCCL 2
I would assume SCCL would want this out well ahead of tryouts
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Post by goldcoast on Apr 23, 2019 11:55:01 GMT -5
Parents at Mud Creek last night were told that SSA was planning on having 3 SCCL teams in the fall. Sounds like SCCL2 and SCCL3 is being added. 🤔
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Post by atlutd17 on Apr 23, 2019 13:13:52 GMT -5
Anyone know when official word will come down on future expansion/SCCL 2 I would assume SCCL would want this out well ahead of tryouts I see very few buying into and an SCCL 2 or 3 product. Don't see the value. But I do see the value if in fact ECNL expands down to ECRL and becomes more inclusive with a promotion/relegation system.
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Post by surgesoccer on Apr 23, 2019 14:18:01 GMT -5
There is at least as much value in SCCL 2 and 3 as there is in Classic 1, 2 or 3. Know nothing about the Athena side. I would expect that there would be some form of relegation, but is that between 2 and 3 or all levels. That will be interesting to see. Do the Big 5 protect their interest by keeping a team in the top division or do they let performance determine who is represented at each level.
Before this season started no one knew what SCCL would be and many immediately assumed it would suck. The reality is, it's been an enjoyable season with some tough teams some ok teams and some bottom of the table teams. About what we experienced in Classic. The management has been pretty much other than some issues in scheduling make up games. Though that was club self-inflicted.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 23, 2019 14:48:08 GMT -5
Do the Big 5 protect their interest by keeping a team in the top division or do they let performance determine who is represented at each level. This is the million dollar question.
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Post by Keeper on Apr 23, 2019 14:59:30 GMT -5
Do the Big 5 protect their interest by keeping a team in the top division or do they let performance determine who is represented at each level. This is the million dollar question. Duh. They’ve done this for years in GaSoccer with rostering upper “bench” players down to help club pass on other teams. Or demand the seeding committee keep certain teams at upper levels going into the fall. I mean will they have a rule that all ECNL clubs or founding members get a spot in SCCL first then they fill it with other. Or just bend their rules to benefit them.
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Post by blu on Apr 23, 2019 20:07:07 GMT -5
The SCCL will be expanding in 2019-20!
The Southeastern Clubs Champions League is pleased to announce an expansion for the 2019-20 seasonal year. Following the very successful 2018-19 inaugural year, and due to the increased interest from clubs in our region, the SCCL is expanding its structure to include a new SCCL Premier Division during 2019-20. SCCL Premier (SCCL-P) will extend the same level of professionalism and quality competition as its predecessor, the SCCL. SCCL Premier will be an elite-level, club-centric league: Each participating club will compete with both boys and girls teams in every age group from 13U-19U. Identical to the SCCL, clubs will play home and away fixtures with each club, and all gender-specific teams will play on the same date, against the same club, at the same venue in each fixture. The exciting SCCL match day standards will continue to improve and enhance the experience for players, parents, coaches, and referees across the Southeast. All SCCL Premier clubs will play a minimum 12-game schedule with economical travel which will allow clubs and teams to participate in high level tournaments, showcases, and other events which will enhance and improve their teams’ development and exposure to college soccer programs. SCCL Premier clubs and other 2019-20 league enhancements will be announced soon! The Southeastern Clubs Champions League was formed in 2018 by clubs searching for a better way to offer youth soccer programming for the serious soccer player. For those interested in learning more about SCCL, please visit our website at www.southeasternccl.com . A membership application is also available online. Questions? Please email info@southeasternccl.com
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Apr 23, 2019 20:20:56 GMT -5
The SCCL will be expanding in 2019-20!
The Southeastern Clubs Champions League is pleased to announce an expansion for the 2019-20 seasonal year. Following the very successful 2018-19 inaugural year, and due to the increased interest from clubs in our region, the SCCL is expanding its structure to include a new SCCL Premier Division during 2019-20. SCCL Premier (SCCL-P) will extend the same level of professionalism and quality competition as its predecessor, the SCCL. SCCL Premier will be an elite-level, club-centric league: Each participating club will compete with both boys and girls teams in every age group from 13U-19U. Identical to the SCCL, clubs will play home and away fixtures with each club, and all gender-specific teams will play on the same date, against the same club, at the same venue in each fixture. The exciting SCCL match day standards will continue to improve and enhance the experience for players, parents, coaches, and referees across the Southeast. All SCCL Premier clubs will play a minimum 12-game schedule with economical travel which will allow clubs and teams to participate in high level tournaments, showcases, and other events which will enhance and improve their teams’ development and exposure to college soccer programs. SCCL Premier clubs and other 2019-20 league enhancements will be announced soon! The Southeastern Clubs Champions League was formed in 2018 by clubs searching for a better way to offer youth soccer programming for the serious soccer player. For those interested in learning more about SCCL, please visit our website at www.southeasternccl.com . A membership application is also available online. Questions? Please email info@southeasternccl.com So is the premier SCCL the second division or is premier the first division and SCCL now second ?
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Post by cleansheet on Apr 23, 2019 20:35:13 GMT -5
The SCCL will be expanding in 2019-20!
The Southeastern Clubs Champions League is pleased to announce an expansion for the 2019-20 seasonal year. Following the very successful 2018-19 inaugural year, and due to the increased interest from clubs in our region, the SCCL is expanding its structure to include a new SCCL Premier Division during 2019-20. SCCL Premier (SCCL-P) will extend the same level of professionalism and quality competition as its predecessor, the SCCL. SCCL Premier will be an elite-level, club-centric league: Each participating club will compete with both boys and girls teams in every age group from 13U-19U. Identical to the SCCL, clubs will play home and away fixtures with each club, and all gender-specific teams will play on the same date, against the same club, at the same venue in each fixture. The exciting SCCL match day standards will continue to improve and enhance the experience for players, parents, coaches, and referees across the Southeast. All SCCL Premier clubs will play a minimum 12-game schedule with economical travel which will allow clubs and teams to participate in high level tournaments, showcases, and other events which will enhance and improve their teams’ development and exposure to college soccer programs. SCCL Premier clubs and other 2019-20 league enhancements will be announced soon! The Southeastern Clubs Champions League was formed in 2018 by clubs searching for a better way to offer youth soccer programming for the serious soccer player. For those interested in learning more about SCCL, please visit our website at www.southeasternccl.com . A membership application is also available online. Questions? Please email info@southeasternccl.com So is the premier SCCL the second division or is premier the first division and SCCL now second ? SCCL : 1st SCCL-P : 2nd
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Post by mr13momma on Apr 23, 2019 20:44:36 GMT -5
Do you think this will change the fact that UFA Forsyth currently doesn’t do SCCL and it’s ONLY @ Norcross?
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Post by cleansheet on Apr 23, 2019 20:46:39 GMT -5
Do you think this will change the fact that UFA Forsyth currently doesn’t do SCCL and it’s ONLY @ Norcross? Oh yeah. Norcross is a sinking ship.
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Post by soccerdad76 on Apr 23, 2019 20:59:57 GMT -5
Also interesting that SCCL-P announcement is for u13-u19 and does not include u12 like SCCL
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Post by cleansheet on Apr 23, 2019 21:12:53 GMT -5
Also interesting that SCCL-P announcement is for u13-u19 and does not include u12 like SCCL U12 will be one division with each club having two teams like DA did. There will be 18 teams with the addition of ATLUTD.
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Post by soccerdad76 on Apr 23, 2019 21:25:09 GMT -5
Also interesting that SCCL-P announcement is for u13-u19 and does not include u12 like SCCL U12 will be one division with each club having two teams like DA did. There will be 18 teams with the addition of ATLUTD. Will it be run like DA... either 1st vs 1st and 2nd vs 2nd, or a handshake to do a hybrid? Or will true first teams play true 2nd teams, including within the club? Not a fan if the u12 “Classic I” teams have to play all of the “Classic II” teams (I realize classic starts at u13, just to make the point.) That doesn’t happen at the Academy level now, and not sure how that would be helpful.
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Post by cleansheet on Apr 23, 2019 21:31:38 GMT -5
U12 will be one division with each club having two teams like DA did. There will be 18 teams with the addition of ATLUTD. Will it be run like DA... either 1st vs 1st and 2nd vs 2nd, or a handshake to do a hybrid? Or will true first teams play true 2nd teams, including within the club? Not a fan if the u12 “Classic I” teams have to play all of the “Classic II” teams (I realize classic starts at u13, just to make the point.) That doesn’t happen at the Academy level now, and not sure how that would be helpful. At U11 boys now: GSA has two gold level teams CF has gold and high silver UFA has two gold NASA has gold and high silver ATLUTD will have quality we know There will be plenty of top quality teams for u12 boys SCCL next year. LSA Gold and Ambush Red, both top 5 teams, get screwed.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 23, 2019 21:35:18 GMT -5
I object to the SCCL name in the first place, champions is an earned title but they've picked it willy nilly. Now they've flip-flopped the naming of the english football hierarchy naming premier the 2nd league. Premier literally means "first". All soccer in this state seems to make elite first and premier 2nd, but it should be the other way around.
That said, it sounds like there will NOT be any promotion/relegation with the existing league. Which will remove any legitimacy from this new league. You're in a permanent B/II league with no chance at moving up. Why would any A/I team join this? There's a hard ceiling, no further promotion and you're at least 2 leagues from the top echelons of soccer in the state. It ruins this for me...and I suspect it'll be one year and back to GA soccer for any smaller clubs that may join. There is not any reason for Roswell, Rush, Ambush, AFU, or any A/I-B/II level teams to join. Maybe from the boys side this new division will be strong, but from the girls side it WILL BE weaker than Athena A is now (which in the 06s has a CF team, 2 NTH teams and a UFA team...of which the CF team is the only mid strong team right now...there are no SSA nor GSA). This will really water down GA soccer further.
I get why they dont have pro/rel, this is a club league for which the whole club will travel. But after each fall/spring they should add up points and promote/relegate whole club levels.
IMO a new league without promotion is just a further step in the wrong direction, watering down the sport. We will simply have to sit back and see jow far this nonsense goes.
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Post by soccerdad76 on Apr 23, 2019 21:56:53 GMT -5
Will it be run like DA... either 1st vs 1st and 2nd vs 2nd, or a handshake to do a hybrid? Or will true first teams play true 2nd teams, including within the club? Not a fan if the u12 “Classic I” teams have to play all of the “Classic II” teams (I realize classic starts at u13, just to make the point.) That doesn’t happen at the Academy level now, and not sure how that would be helpful. At U11 boys now: GSA has two gold level teams CF has gold and high silver UFA has two gold NASA has gold and high silver ATLUTD will have quality we know There will be plenty of top quality teams for u12 boys SCCL next year. LSA Gold and Ambush Red, both top 5 teams, get screwed. If GSA North is one and GSA South is another, for instance, I see your point. Can’t always trust Sinc for those gold ratings, especially for a second team at the same location (unlike the GSA reference). Some of those gold rated second teams often play second division in tournaments and sinc can have some strange calculations. Not sure GSA-N/GSA-S/CF/UFA/NASA/NASA-Milton 1st teams are going to have much fun playing the single location 2nd teams.... they don’t do it now at u11.
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Post by cleansheet on Apr 23, 2019 22:13:44 GMT -5
At U11 boys now: GSA has two gold level teams CF has gold and high silver UFA has two gold NASA has gold and high silver ATLUTD will have quality we know There will be plenty of top quality teams for u12 boys SCCL next year. LSA Gold and Ambush Red, both top 5 teams, get screwed. If GSA North is one and GSA South is another, for instance, I see your point. Can’t always trust Sinc for those gold ratings, especially for a second team at the same location (unlike the GSA reference). Some of those gold rated second teams often play second division in tournaments and sinc can have some strange calculations. Not sure GSA-N/GSA-S/CF/UFA/NASA/NASA-Milton 1st teams are going to have much fun playing the single location 2nd teams.... they don’t do it now at u11. GSA South Benfica GSA North Crew CF Central black CF west black UFA Forsyth Premier UFA Forsyth Red NASA Milton Elite NASA Red Bulls These are quality teams for U12 next year. Plus ATLUTD. Not sure about the out of state teams. Also, the LSA Gold and Ambush Red boys need to find a home.
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Post by rifle on Apr 24, 2019 6:03:57 GMT -5
I object to the SCCL name in the first place, champions is an earned title but they've picked it willy nilly. Now they've flip-flopped the naming of the english football hierarchy naming premier the 2nd league. Premier literally means "first". All soccer in this state seems to make elite first and premier 2nd, but it should be the other way around. That said, it sounds like there will NOT be any promotion/relegation with the existing league. Which will remove any legitimacy from this new league. You're in a permanent B/II league with no chance at moving up. Why would any A/I team join this? There's a hard ceiling, no further promotion and you're at least 2 leagues from the top echelons of soccer in the state. It ruins this for me...and I suspect it'll be one year and back to GA soccer for any smaller clubs that may join. There is not any reason for Roswell, Rush, Ambush, AFU, or any A/I-B/II level teams to join. Maybe from the boys side this new division will be strong, but from the girls side it WILL BE weaker than Athena A is now (which in the 06s has a CF team, 2 NTH teams and a UFA team...of which the CF team is the only mid strong team right now...there are no SSA nor GSA). This will really water down GA soccer further. I get why they dont have pro/rel, this is a club league for which the whole club will travel. But after each fall/spring they should add up points and promote/relegate whole club levels. IMO a new league without promotion is just a further step in the wrong direction, watering down the sport. We will simply have to sit back and see jow far this nonsense goes. This is the crux of the problem in US Soccer at every level. Concentrate power. Rake money. Compete. In that order.
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Post by atv on Apr 24, 2019 6:27:15 GMT -5
What do you think this will be “...other 2019-20 league enhancements will be announced soon!”?
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Post by soccerdad76 on Apr 24, 2019 7:03:52 GMT -5
What do you think this will be “...other 2019-20 league enhancements will be announced soon!”? could be promotion/relegation, could be the plan for single SCCL for u12, could be empty and mean nothing
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Post by soccerdad76 on Apr 24, 2019 7:08:33 GMT -5
If GSA North is one and GSA South is another, for instance, I see your point. Can’t always trust Sinc for those gold ratings, especially for a second team at the same location (unlike the GSA reference). Some of those gold rated second teams often play second division in tournaments and sinc can have some strange calculations. Not sure GSA-N/GSA-S/CF/UFA/NASA/NASA-Milton 1st teams are going to have much fun playing the single location 2nd teams.... they don’t do it now at u11. GSA South Benfica GSA North Crew CF Central black CF west black UFA Forsyth Premier UFA Forsyth Red NASA Milton Elite NASA Red Bulls These are quality teams for U12 next year. Plus ATLUTD. Not sure about the out of state teams. Also, the LSA Gold and Ambush Red boys need to find a home. The other “half” is not as competitive. In order to stop hijacking with so much u12 specifics, i’ll (try to) make my last comment that I would prefer club-wide first teams play club-wide first teams twice a season... like they do right now for all of SCCL.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 24, 2019 7:50:29 GMT -5
I like u12 DA for creating a standard across the age group. Prior to u12 DA it was a mess. Some teams played 11v11, some played 9v9 (8v8), some played u13 classic II, some played u13 classic III, some played a normal u12 academy schedule, some played a special u12 schedule. Its an extremely important year where the kids have started to grow like freaks yet and are still just babies. The important thing to me is make sure its still fun, all the kids should be playing and not sitting or just playing half a game. play play play.
I think u12 DA in the past was too restrictive and not enough games for the kids. Kids on those small fields can play 2 games easily a weekend. Would like to have seen teams played both teams from the club. (Its only an issue the end of may and in Aug/Sept when the heat is brutal.)
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Post by guest on Apr 24, 2019 8:04:08 GMT -5
(Its only an issue the end of may and in Aug/Sept when the heat is brutal.) Summer Lacrosse plays 5 games a weekend. Just sayin’.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 24, 2019 8:07:45 GMT -5
Do you think this will change the fact that UFA Forsyth currently doesn’t do SCCL and it’s ONLY @ Norcross? I believe at the Forsyth location for UFA, NPL will still go to the Premier team, while SCCL 2/3/4/P will go to the Red team...FG
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 24, 2019 8:24:15 GMT -5
Was this the big announcement?
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Post by justwatching on Apr 24, 2019 8:53:36 GMT -5
So, does anyone know (or heard rumor) who the added clubs are for the SCCL? Or is it only an additional team per club that is already in the league to fill the new division?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 24, 2019 9:27:01 GMT -5
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Post by mr13momma on Apr 24, 2019 9:51:12 GMT -5
Where does NPL fit in @ the U12 division? I hear all the hype around the SCCL for U12 but is NPL considered better competition?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 24, 2019 9:53:15 GMT -5
So, does anyone know (or heard rumor) who the added clubs are for the SCCL? Or is it only an additional team per club that is already in the league to fill the new division? Okay, let me take a stab at this. I believe the delay in making an actual firm announcements is rooted in the fact that there are still many moving parts. Based on discussions as of a month ago, a couple of TN teams from Nashville and Chattanooga where going to be joining. As you can guess, the travel portion caused this to implode. Additionally, another SC based club was going to be joining in. As of a couple of weeks ago, that still holds. As a matter of fact, one more team from SC is looking to join in. So as far as I know and as of this past weekend it stands as this. The original 8 teams in SCCL are staying, along with the potential for 2 more SC teams. Not yet sure if AFU will join SCCL or SCCL 2. Either way SCCL 2 will have only the local teams teams playing each other and minimal to no travel. There is also the debate on relegation/promotion. As of right now there can't be a pro/reg since SCCL 2 is new. However, looking to add that next year (202-2021). I say all this with the caveat that some changes and tweaks are inevitable. However, that is the current framework...FG
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