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KSA 01
Jun 3, 2019 8:26:20 GMT -5
Post by soccerguru on Jun 3, 2019 8:26:20 GMT -5
BK is the ultimate recruiter, love watching the team play. There are many issues that rear the ugly side of the sport.
Some of the Haitian kids do not go to school, or haven't since 9th grade all they do is play soccer. So, without a formal education and one untimely injury, what are these kids gonna do to have a healthy sustainable life?
I remember when Bruno was poaching the best players from Soccer in the Streets, the program was extremely irate at Bruno because these kids were learning life skills, preparing for their future and playing soccer. At KSA, you play soccer.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Jun 3, 2019 10:21:30 GMT -5
BK is the ultimate recruiter, love watching the team play. There are many issues that rear the ugly side of the sport. Some of the Haitian kids do not go to school, or haven't since 9th grade all they do is play soccer. So, without a formal education and one untimely injury, what are these kids gonna do to have a healthy sustainable life? I remember when Bruno was poaching the best players from Soccer in the Streets, the program was extremely irate at Bruno because these kids were learning life skills, preparing for their future and playing soccer. At KSA, you play soccer. No education and then shipped off to play in the Romanian second division and left to fend for themselves. |
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KSA 01
Jun 3, 2019 11:14:02 GMT -5
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Post by atv on Jun 3, 2019 11:14:02 GMT -5
BK is the ultimate recruiter, love watching the team play. There are many issues that rear the ugly side of the sport. Some of the Haitian kids do not go to school, or haven't since 9th grade all they do is play soccer. So, without a formal education and one untimely injury, what are these kids gonna do to have a healthy sustainable life? I remember when Bruno was poaching the best players from Soccer in the Streets, the program was extremely irate at Bruno because these kids were learning life skills, preparing for their future and playing soccer. At KSA, you play soccer. No education and then shipped off to play in the Romanian second division and left to fend for themselves. ... that’s exactly the KSA system. |
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Post by papacoach on Jun 3, 2019 11:17:11 GMT -5
It’s comical to read some of these replies that are loaded with assumptions and far reaching speculations about KSA players.. Talking about Birth Certificates and their players.. when did this issue occur and has there been age verification issues since? With that side, what others clubs have experienced age verification issues like maybe like how Dalton U15s was able to compete in semis due to NSA player issues making them forfeit all games. Poaching players off the streets.. Is that even possible? Education level of players?? Isn’t it mandated by the State grade level youth are required to be enrolled into an educational program through the age of 16? Hint Yes!! www.lawyers.com/legal-info/research/education-law/chart-age-requirements-for-compulsory-education-in-all-50-states.html |
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Post by soccerfan30 on Jun 3, 2019 11:19:57 GMT -5
It’s comical to read some of these replies that are loaded with assumptions and far reaching speculations about KSA players.. Talking about Birth Certificates and their players.. when did this issue occur and has there been age verification issues since? With that side, what others clubs have experienced age verification issues like maybe like how Dalton U15s was able to compete in semis due to NSA player issues making them forfeit all games. Poaching players off the streets.. Is that even possible? Education level of players?? Isn’t it mandated by the State grade level youth are required to be enrolled into an educational program through the age of 16? Hint Yes!! www.lawyers.com/legal-info/research/education-law/chart-age-requirements-for-compulsory-education-in-all-50-states.htmlI probably know BK better than you do and 99% of the forum posters. All I'll say is when there's smoke there's fire. |
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Post by rifle on Jun 3, 2019 12:12:04 GMT -5
...snip... Poaching players off the streets.. Is that even possible? “Soccer In The Streets”.. the program.. isn’t the same as kids playing soccer in a street. |
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KSA 01
Jun 3, 2019 12:24:15 GMT -5
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Post by papacoach on Jun 3, 2019 12:24:15 GMT -5
Fantastic but 99% knowledge of BK didn’t answer the questions above essentially relating to the education level of players on the rosters and poaching players from the streets.. Isn’t poaching or illegal recruitment of player against GA youth soccer rules and regulations even as far back as per the amended version of ga youth soccer association rules and regulations dated Nov 2004 thr Mar 2005 and current day copy ?
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KSA 01
Jun 3, 2019 13:23:03 GMT -5
Post by TheMadOx on Jun 3, 2019 13:23:03 GMT -5
It's only illegal recruiting if you are a GA Soccer member and you are recruiting from other GA Soccer members during the locked time of year. You can recruit from programs not associated with GA soccer...
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KSA 01
Jun 3, 2019 15:00:28 GMT -5
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Post by papacoach on Jun 3, 2019 15:00:28 GMT -5
So based on the definition of the word and your explanation,
poaching or illegal recruitment is just speculation w/o specific examples and findings from ga soccer.
Definition: to take or appropriate unfairly or illegally, To take illegally essentially by trespassing.. and your explanation,
Recruitment from an pick up play (youth up to 13 and adults +18) and not for profit organization partnered with us soccer, ga soccer, and AU seems like an open opportunity for any club to link into essentially near a Marta station
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Post by soccerfan30 on Jun 3, 2019 18:04:18 GMT -5
So based on the definition of the word and your explanation, poaching or illegal recruitment is just speculation w/o specific examples and findings from ga soccer. Definition: to take or appropriate unfairly or illegally, To take illegally essentially by trespassing.. and your explanation, Recruitment from an pick up play (youth up to 13 and adults +18) and not for profit organization partnered with us soccer, ga soccer, and AU seems like an open opportunity for any club to link into essentially near a Marta station Clarify the following for me- is talking to players from opposing teams during State Cup illegal recruiting? Is taking a family from another team out to dinner in season illegal recruiting? Asking for a friend... |
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KSA 01
Jun 3, 2019 20:56:12 GMT -5
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Post by papacoach on Jun 3, 2019 20:56:12 GMT -5
Hard to clarify hypothetical scenarios without knowing A-Z.
Talking to opposing team players during state cup... since we have NO idea of what the conversation was or social relationships they may have or any other varies reasons, hard to say.. best guess is, they were talking about the next Braves or AU game.. since state cup is during open season and right before tryouts for older kids, they were talking soccer of some form.. legal.
Same for the dinner, what is the intent of the dinner... was it business or social relationships?
I have gone out with opposing players family and teammates cause they were classmates and/or buddies outside of soccer.
If there is any inquiries relating to illegal recruitment, Ga Soccer is always available via phone or by written communication..
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KSA 01
Jun 3, 2019 21:30:45 GMT -5
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Post by Keeper on Jun 3, 2019 21:30:45 GMT -5
Haha by law kids must go to school until they’re 16, BUT only if they’re legal citizens. I mean com’on man! This is an idiot run republican state so laws don’t always apply. Especially logical common sense ones. |
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KSA 01
Jun 3, 2019 21:35:53 GMT -5
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Post by Keeper on Jun 3, 2019 21:35:53 GMT -5
So based on the definition of the word and your explanation, poaching or illegal recruitment is just speculation w/o specific examples and findings from ga soccer. Definition: to take or appropriate unfairly or illegally, To take illegally essentially by trespassing.. and your explanation, Recruitment from an pick up play (youth up to 13 and adults +18) and not for profit organization partnered with us soccer, ga soccer, and AU seems like an open opportunity for any club to link into essentially near a Marta station Clarify the following for me- is talking to players from opposing teams during State Cup illegal recruiting? Is taking a family from another team out to dinner in season illegal recruiting? Asking for a friend... Talking during State Cup? I believe no. Isn’t that within the two weeks prior to tryouts that you can have contact. Taking the family out to dinner? Yes but Ga Soccer has shown they have no real punishment for this as all the big clubs have been guilty of this but only told to stop. Okay maybe not old school Tophat. |
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KSA 01
Jun 3, 2019 22:57:59 GMT -5
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Post by insideinfo on Jun 3, 2019 22:57:59 GMT -5
Haha by law kids must go to school until they’re 16, BUT only if they’re legal citizens. I mean com’on man! This is an idiot run republican state so laws don’t always apply. Especially logical common sense ones. I believe most of those kids stopped being 16 a looong time ago |
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KSA 01
Jun 4, 2019 6:14:41 GMT -5
Post by papacoach on Jun 4, 2019 6:14:41 GMT -5
Haha by law kids must go to school until they’re 16, BUT only if they’re legal citizens. I mean com’on man! This is an idiot run republican state so laws don’t always apply. Especially logical common sense ones. unproven and unverified hence the BUT and IF and com'on man with the hint of not using common sense with the slight political view in a soccer forum.
And YES, even Illegals (nondocumented) kids go to school for an education off the pitch and have a logical view of common sense off the field.
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KSA 01
Jun 4, 2019 6:23:07 GMT -5
Post by papacoach on Jun 4, 2019 6:23:07 GMT -5
Haha by law kids must go to school until they’re 16, BUT only if they’re legal citizens. I mean com’on man! This is an idiot run republican state so laws don’t always apply. Especially logical common sense ones. I believe most of those kids stopped being 16 a looong time ago Who doesn't stop being 16 after awhile?
Isn't Birth Verification a requirement for US Soccer?
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jun 4, 2019 6:39:44 GMT -5
I believe most of those kids stopped being 16 a looong time ago Who doesn't stop being 16 after awhile?
Isn't Birth Verification a requirement for US Soccer?
BK is that you?  |
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KSA 01
Jun 4, 2019 7:34:03 GMT -5
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Post by insideinfo on Jun 4, 2019 7:34:03 GMT -5
I believe most of those kids stopped being 16 a looong time ago Who doesn't stop being 16 after awhile?
Isn't Birth Verification a requirement for US Soccer?
US Soccer..... Not GA Soccer 😂😂😂 There is a reason why those "men" don't play for AUFC |
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KSA 01
Jun 4, 2019 13:00:54 GMT -5
Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 4, 2019 13:00:54 GMT -5
Yes to play DA you need both a birth certificate and if you have a non U.S. birth certificate, you need international clearance by that country usually pretty soon in the season, want to say by Aug 1. International clearance has been an issue for some as well.
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KSA 01
Jun 4, 2019 18:51:01 GMT -5
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Post by gasoccerfan on Jun 4, 2019 18:51:01 GMT -5
Anyone who knows Bruno or has been around KSA knows the answers. Winning is fun but not really when you know your cheating. These kids will tell you their real age but tell you the club told them to go with another date. Had a 03 kid in 10th grade who was told to go to 04 team and when he said no he was told it was that team or out of the club.
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KSA 01
Jun 4, 2019 19:05:07 GMT -5
Post by soccerguru on Jun 4, 2019 19:05:07 GMT -5
Either way you spin it, BK has these kids in the Ultimate Soccer shape. They play hard and they are amazing to watch. A great coaching lesson would be to take your entire team and watch these kids play and talk about the things they don't normally see during a game and what they would like to emulate.
I'm just disappointed BK hasn't called me during these tryouts. It was good seeing you last week papa coach. Best of luck to KSA teams in regionals.
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KSA 01
Jun 4, 2019 19:07:55 GMT -5
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Post by papacoach on Jun 4, 2019 19:07:55 GMT -5
Well, I know Bruno for some time now and I haven’t seen the age discrepancies, non educated players or rampant cheating you say is common..
Do provide specifics and known Ga Soccer findings against KSA cause I sure can tell you stories of concord north, AFU and others bending the rules too but anyone familiar with ga soccer surroundings should already know their clubs dirty histories too...just saying..
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KSA 01
Jun 5, 2019 13:04:23 GMT -5
Post by broadwayboogiewoogie on Jun 5, 2019 13:04:23 GMT -5
Not this age group but heard stories today about costs and expenses for some teams being split by the 6-8 players that can pay and a story of single team manager getting stuck with a heavy expense for covering for tournament costs and travel expenses for the team with the expectation of being reimbursed. I’ve always heard that the 01 team had a single benefactor taking care of not expenses for the team. Could be BS. This isn't a problem specific to KSA though. I've seen and heard of it happening at Concorde on a number of occasions and at other smaller clubs as well. I don't have any connection with KSA at all, but people do seem to like to act holier than thou when the topic of KSA comes up. If the lying about players' ages is true, then that's obviously unforgivable, but one or a few families covering the bulk of a team's expenses is a common thing across youth soccer unfortunately. |
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KSA 01
Jun 24, 2019 18:53:50 GMT -5
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Post by papacoach on Jun 24, 2019 18:53:50 GMT -5
4 out of 5 KSA teams are making another ran through NL regionals w/o any document issues, player misbehavior in hotel rooms, or shortage of food or adult supervision; good luck in Semifinals Wednesday..
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KSA 01
Jun 24, 2019 19:28:03 GMT -5
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Jun 24, 2019 19:28:03 GMT -5
I’ve had a lot of years around here and neither of my kids have ever played a KSA team. Who are they playing week in and week out? Like historically even? Obviously they can’t hang their hat on an NL schedule that’s quickly becoming 4th tier on its best day.
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KSA 01
Jun 24, 2019 20:52:40 GMT -5
Post by fanatic21 on Jun 24, 2019 20:52:40 GMT -5
On the boys side, you are crazy if you think NL is 4th tier. I know of quite a few NL vs ECNL games where NL teams won. I'm not a fan of Bruno or KSA, but I'd even be interested to see KSA 04s vs some of the the DA teams.
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KSA 01
Jun 24, 2019 21:00:02 GMT -5
Post by cantgetright on Jun 24, 2019 21:00:02 GMT -5
NL is 4th tier. It is what it is. The league that is. Not to say the team is more talented, but the league it plays in is 4th tier. Are there outliers, sure in all leagues. But the statement of 4th tier is correct.
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KSA 01
Jun 24, 2019 21:10:59 GMT -5
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Post by newposter on Jun 24, 2019 21:10:59 GMT -5
Agree NL is not anywhere near other leagues talent. Buddies kid played against KSA 02s few years back (year before ECNL). They handled them both times that year. His kids team is mid level ECNL.
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Post by fanatic21 on Jun 24, 2019 21:50:09 GMT -5
So you are honestly saying that you think boys SCCL is better than NL (I assume you are saying SCCL is 3rd tier)? I can understand you claiming that boys ECNL is 2nd tier behind DA (even though only games I've seen between the two levels the NL teams won or tied), but to say SCCL is 3rd tier and NL is 4th; that's nonsense. What criteria would you base this on? The outliers you speak of would be the top SCCL teams who could likely hang in NL league, just like the outliers in NL could hang in ECNL or as I mentioned about the KSA 04s, maybe even DA.
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KSA 01
Jun 24, 2019 22:02:51 GMT -5
Post by cantgetright on Jun 24, 2019 22:02:51 GMT -5
Don't look at just ATL, you have to look across US. I don't make the leagues, I just have a son in them. I understand all of us don't have sccl, but they have others. KSA have good teams,sometimes questionable, sometimes not. League overall doesn't support what you are saying. Outliers exist everywhere. When people say the best kids don't always play DA, that is truth. I realize it. Top to bottom, the leagues and where most people put them are spot on.
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