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KSA 01
Jun 24, 2019 23:22:11 GMT -5
Post by fanatic21 on Jun 24, 2019 23:22:11 GMT -5
Again, can you actually give some factual criteria or is this just your opinion? I've reffed SCCL, NL, ECNL, and DA. I've reffed and seen games between teams from different leagues and looked at other results as well. Based on my observations and the data (actual game results), yes, DA is 1st tier, ECNL and NL are likely 2nd (very comparable in boys, not girls though - in girls ECNL is definitely stronger), and SCCL/C1 third. Yes, my observations are primarily based on GA teams, and there are a few weak teams in NL, but the same is true for ECNL and SCCL too.
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KSA 01
Jun 25, 2019 0:07:58 GMT -5
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Jun 25, 2019 0:07:58 GMT -5
DA
ECNL
NPL=NL
SCCL
I didn’t say NL was 4th tier, I said it was quickly becoming 4th tier.
Here is a very interesting case study for next year that could illustrate the differences in the leagues for all those that complain about these teams not playing each other:
NASA’s 05 (U14) ECNL team was that club’s second team behind their DA team and they finished dead last.
Because NASA doesn’t have DA beyond U14, their rising 05 (U15) ECNL team has completely reset and is now made up entirely of DA players from NASA, Concorde Fire, UFA, & AU.
They are the only club in the Southeast ECNL division with this particular circumstance, so you will essentially see Atlanta’s #4 U15 DA team playing an ECNL schedule next year.
The results should answer the question one way or another!
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Post by papacoach on Jun 25, 2019 0:08:32 GMT -5
I’ve had a lot of years around here and neither of my kids have ever played a KSA team. Who are they playing week in and week out? Like historically even? Obviously they can’t hang their hat on an NL schedule that’s quickly becoming 4th tier on its best day. i'm blowing snot bubbles laughing on your comment thinking National league play is 4th tier on it's best day...
So who's the 1st through 3rd tier then? I bet a penny at least one or a few smaller/mid level clubs like KSA/LSAs, etc. have thump the Concords/AFUs/UFAs at least or twice
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KSA 01
Jun 25, 2019 0:11:36 GMT -5
Post by papacoach on Jun 25, 2019 0:11:36 GMT -5
NL is 4th tier. It is what it is. The league that is. Not to say the team is more talented, but the league it plays in is 4th tier. Are there outliers, sure in all leagues. But the statement of 4th tier is correct. misguided and misinformed to think National League is 4th tier level
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KSA 01
Jun 25, 2019 0:20:04 GMT -5
Post by papacoach on Jun 25, 2019 0:20:04 GMT -5
Don't look at just ATL, you have to look across US. I don't make the leagues, I just have a son in them. I understand all of us don't have sccl, but they have others. KSA have good teams,sometimes questionable, sometimes not. League overall doesn't support what you are saying. Outliers exist everywhere. When people say the best kids don't always play DA, that is truth. I realize it. Top to bottom, the leagues and where most people put them are spot on. Well, KSA teams seem to be consistently play in post season play facing off against top 10/top 25 regional teams out of Tx, Ok, NV, California, Tenn, Ala to name a few states.
For league play, you are right, until Ga clubs want to match up head to head, no way to measure quality wins over water down conference wins/loses.
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KSA 01
Jun 25, 2019 5:52:33 GMT -5
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Post by insideinfo on Jun 25, 2019 5:52:33 GMT -5
Its a lot easier to win when you are at least 3-4 years older than your opponent.
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KSA 01
Jun 25, 2019 10:09:11 GMT -5
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Post by papacoach on Jun 25, 2019 10:09:11 GMT -5
Its a lot easier to win when you are at least 3-4 years older than your opponent. Good thang governing bodies for youth soccer checks for birth verification and document are required upon request at the playing fields; I bet any team manager would know first hand about carrying teams binders... oops, I guess u forgot that part |
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KSA 01
Jun 25, 2019 10:51:04 GMT -5
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 25, 2019 10:51:04 GMT -5
Its a lot easier to win when you are at least 3-4 years older than your opponent. Good thang governing bodies for youth soccer checks for birth verification and document are required upon request at the playing fields; I bet any team manager would know first hand about carrying teams binders... oops, I guess u forgot that part As a former team manager, I can tell you that we never submitted birth certificates to GA Soccer, only pictures. The club submits the players information to GA Soccer for ADG, but no birth certificate either. Usually only the TM has this and not the club for tournament purposes. When we participated in RPL and Regionals, we didn't have to submit birth certificates either, since kids already have a player pass from the state. For tournaments, yes you submit a birth certificate for "checking" but its just looked at, no one verifies if its real or fake. I have seen parents with blank signed birth certificates from different countries and then they go get them filled out at an office. In fact I had someone ask me to help them fill one out once and I said no, this was not someone from our club, they happen to come in to a place I worked at the time. Believe what you want, but it happens, at some clubs more than others. You can choose to look the other way as long as you are winning I guess |
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KSA 01
Jun 25, 2019 12:22:54 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 25, 2019 12:22:54 GMT -5
Its a lot easier to win when you are at least 3-4 years older than your opponent. Good thang governing bodies for youth soccer checks for birth verification and document are required upon request at the playing fields; I bet any team manager would know first hand about carrying teams binders... oops, I guess u forgot that part I have never had anyone ask for a birth certificate at a tournament. I have had to load birth certificates into youth soccer websites but can tell you that some are not legible and no one ever calls to ask for a better one that you can actually read. |
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KSA 01
Jun 25, 2019 12:26:09 GMT -5
Post by slickdaddy96 on Jun 25, 2019 12:26:09 GMT -5
Good thang governing bodies for youth soccer checks for birth verification and document are required upon request at the playing fields; I bet any team manager would know first hand about carrying teams binders... oops, I guess u forgot that part As a former team manager, I can tell you that we never submitted birth certificates to GA Soccer, only pictures. The club submits the players information to GA Soccer for ADG, but no birth certificate either. Usually only the TM has this and not the club for tournament purposes. When we participated in RPL and Regionals, we didn't have to submit birth certificates either, since kids already have a player pass from the state. For tournaments, yes you submit a birth certificate for "checking" but its just looked at, no one verifies if its real or fake. I have seen parents with blank signed birth certificates from different countries and then they go get them filled out at an office. In fact I had someone ask me to help them fill one out once and I said no, this was not someone from our club, they happen to come in to a place I worked at the time. Believe what you want, but it happens, at some clubs more than others. You can choose to look the other way as long as you are winning I guess LOL... Be careful some on this forum might call you a racist bigot for challenging if Birth Certificates are real or not. I'm joking, but I'm sure there are some one here that have no issue with fake birth certificates or non-legal aliens playing on soccer teams which 9 times out of 10 the reason for the fake birth certificate is because they are not in the country legally. I agree though GA soccer doesn't look at Birth Certificates, nor really does the clubs either. Yes, the team managers have them in their binders, but there has a been a whopping zero times the team manager for my son's team has had to actually show it for a tournament, regular season game etc.... So basically its illegal, but no one has the guts to actually enforce the ages and verify actual birth certificates. We all know it happens. Turn a blind eye if you want. As far as NL being 4th tier. I don't think it is yet, but if the Big 5 or I guess Big 6 now have their way that is what they want. They want to pull so many good teams out of Classic I (so they don't get promoted to NL) that the teams being promoted to NL couldn't compete with SCCL level teams and do well. So eventually yes, I do believe NL will be a former shell of itself the more that SCCL catches on. It may take a couple of more years before it happens, but the writing is on the wall. |
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KSA 01
Jun 25, 2019 13:41:38 GMT -5
Post by papacoach on Jun 25, 2019 13:41:38 GMT -5
As a former team manager, I can tell you that we never submitted birth certificates to GA Soccer, only pictures. The club submits the players information to GA Soccer for ADG, but no birth certificate either. Usually only the TM has this and not the club for tournament purposes. When we participated in RPL and Regionals, we didn't have to submit birth certificates either, since kids already have a player pass from the state. For tournaments, yes you submit a birth certificate for "checking" but its just looked at, no one verifies if its real or fake. I have seen parents with blank signed birth certificates from different countries and then they go get them filled out at an office. In fact I had someone ask me to help them fill one out once and I said no, this was not someone from our club, they happen to come in to a place I worked at the time. Believe what you want, but it happens, at some clubs more than others. You can choose to look the other way as long as you are winning I guess LOL... Be careful some on this forum might call you a racist bigot for challenging if Birth Certificates are real or not. I'm joking, but I'm sure there are some one here that have no issue with fake birth certificates or non-legal aliens playing on soccer teams which 9 times out of 10 the reason for the fake birth certificate is because they are not in the country legally. I agree though GA soccer doesn't look at Birth Certificates, nor really does the clubs either. Yes, the team managers have them in their binders, but there has a been a whopping zero times the team manager for my son's team has had to actually show it for a tournament, regular season game etc.... So basically its illegal, but no one has the guts to actually enforce the ages and verify actual birth certificates. We all know it happens. Turn a blind eye if you want. As far as NL being 4th tier. I don't think it is yet, but if the Big 5 or I guess Big 6 now have their way that is what they want. They want to pull so many good teams out of Classic I (so they don't get promoted to NL) that the teams being promoted to NL couldn't compete with SCCL level teams and do well. So eventually yes, I do believe NL will be a former shell of itself the more that SCCL catches on. It may take a couple of more years before it happens, but the writing is on the wall. Provided 3 states (Az, Sc, and GA) along with ECNL and DA requirements for player registration and documents needed for proof of age.
Page 3 of the 2018 -2019 PLAYER & COACH REGISTRATION GUIDELINES
Clearly states: Proof of Age Document requirements
Passport Preferred; non expired document - Birth certificate No void stickers
*What Forms are required in order to register a player to ECNL?
Each player must have the following three items. 1 - Player Photo (This must be a head shot) 2 - US Club Form (This must be uploaded as the Association Form) 3 - Proof of Birth (This is either a Birth Certificate or a Passport)
*Proof of age shall consist of a birth certificate, a Uniformed Services Identification and Privilege Card (DD Form 1173), a birth registration issued by an appropriate government agency, or board of health records, a passport, an alien registration card issued by the United States Government, a certificate issued by the Immigration and Naturalization Service attesting to age, a current driver’s license, an unexpired federal, state, or local government identification card or a certification of a United States citizen born abroad issued by the appropriate government agency. Hospital, baptismal, or religious certificates will not be accepted. See Rule 170.2c for details.
Any team playing a player who is over-age shall forfeit the game(s) in which that player takes part.
A player may play in his/her proper age group, or in an older age group. A player may NOT play in a younger age group.
For regular-season play, once rostered to a team, a player is considered to be the age of that team
GA Soccer Youth Rules and Regulations handbook, page 6, subsection 170.2 Player Age Classification
170.2 Player Age Classification
170.2a Member affiliates must register all their players with Georgia Soccer. Player classification for the soccer year shall be determined based on the official age group chart of Georgia Soccer-Youth.
170.2b A player may play on an older age team, but may not play on a younger age team.
170.2c Proof of age must be presented if deemed necessary. Proof of age shall consist of a birth certificate, a Uniformed Services Identification and Privilege Card (DD Form 1173) issued by the uniformed services of the United States, a birth registration issued by an appropriate government agency or board of health records, a passport, an alien registration card issued by the United States Government, a certificate issued by the Immigration and Naturalization Service attesting to age, a current driver’s license, an unexpired federal, state, or local government identification card (if documentation of date of birth is required), or a certification of a United States citizen born abroad issued by the appropriate government agency. Hospital, baptismal, or religious certificates will not be accepted.
2: For ASA (Arizona Soccer Associations) youth soccer proof of age requirements:
PROOF OF AGE
Club Registrars are required to verify each player's age and a copy of the player's proof of age must be available to the State Registrar upon request. The following is a list of acceptable "Proof of Age" documents:
Board of Health Records
Passport (current or expired)
Birth certificate (must be a certified copy)
Driver's License (not valid for State Championship play)
Alien Registration Card (issued by the U.S. Government)
Birth Registration issued by an appropriate governmental agency
Certificate issued by the Immigration and Naturalization Service attesting to age
Certificate of an American Citizen born abroad issued by the governing agency
Note: Hospital, Baptismal or Religious Certificates are not acceptable as Proof of Age. Documents in foreign languages must have an English translation attached to the original document (the translation is required for tournament play).
4.PROOF OF AGE – shall consist of a birth certificate, a Uniformed Services Identification and Privilege Card (DD Form 1173) issued by the uniformed services of the United States, a birth registration issued by an appropriate government agency, or board of health records, a passport, an alien registration card issued by the United States Government, a certificate issued by the Immigration and Naturalization Service attesting to age, a current driver’s license, an unexpired federal, state or local government identification card (If documentation of date of birth is required), or a certification of an American citizen born abroad and issued by the appropriate government agency. Hospital, baptismal, or religious certificates will not be accepted. Player proof of age for traveling teams shall be available upon request.5.RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS - state that any player who is a South Carolina resident may register in an affiliated organization. A resident is a player living or residing in the State of South Carolina with his or her parent(s) or guardian(s) or a student in residence at a boarding school, college or university located in South Carolina. Any other questions of residency may be determined by the state in which the player is registered to vote or holds a current driver’s license. Any player or teamresiding in a state other than South Carolina wishing to register and play in an affiliated organization of South Carolina Youth Soccer must receive written permission each seasonal year from South Carolina Youth Soccer and the State Association where he/she resides
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KSA 01
Jun 25, 2019 13:59:05 GMT -5
Post by slickdaddy96 on Jun 25, 2019 13:59:05 GMT -5
Provided 3 states (Az, Sc, and GA) along with ECNL and DA requirements for player registration and documents needed for proof of age.
Page 3 of the 2018 -2019 PLAYER & COACH REGISTRATION GUIDELINES
Clearly states: Proof of Age Document requirements
Passport Preferred; non expired document - Birth certificate No void stickers
*What Forms are required in order to register a player to ECNL?
Each player must have the following three items. 1 - Player Photo (This must be a head shot) 2 - US Club Form (This must be uploaded as the Association Form) 3 - Proof of Birth (This is either a Birth Certificate or a Passport)
*Proof of age shall consist of a birth certificate, a Uniformed Services Identification and Privilege Card (DD Form 1173), a birth registration issued by an appropriate government agency, or board of health records, a passport, an alien registration card issued by the United States Government, a certificate issued by the Immigration and Naturalization Service attesting to age, a current driver’s license, an unexpired federal, state, or local government identification card or a certification of a United States citizen born abroad issued by the appropriate government agency. Hospital, baptismal, or religious certificates will not be accepted. See Rule 170.2c for details.
Any team playing a player who is over-age shall forfeit the game(s) in which that player takes part.
A player may play in his/her proper age group, or in an older age group. A player may NOT play in a younger age group.
For regular-season play, once rostered to a team, a player is considered to be the age of that team
GA Soccer Youth Rules and Regulations handbook, page 6, subsection 170.2 Player Age Classification
170.2 Player Age Classification
170.2a Member affiliates must register all their players with Georgia Soccer. Player classification for the soccer year shall be determined based on the official age group chart of Georgia Soccer-Youth.
170.2b A player may play on an older age team, but may not play on a younger age team.
170.2c Proof of age must be presented if deemed necessary. Proof of age shall consist of a birth certificate, a Uniformed Services Identification and Privilege Card (DD Form 1173) issued by the uniformed services of the United States, a birth registration issued by an appropriate government agency or board of health records, a passport, an alien registration card issued by the United States Government, a certificate issued by the Immigration and Naturalization Service attesting to age, a current driver’s license, an unexpired federal, state, or local government identification card (if documentation of date of birth is required), or a certification of a United States citizen born abroad issued by the appropriate government agency. Hospital, baptismal, or religious certificates will not be accepted.
2: For ASA (Arizona Soccer Associations) youth soccer proof of age requirements:
PROOF OF AGE
Club Registrars are required to verify each player's age and a copy of the player's proof of age must be available to the State Registrar upon request. The following is a list of acceptable "Proof of Age" documents:
Board of Health Records
Passport (current or expired)
Birth certificate (must be a certified copy)
Driver's License (not valid for State Championship play)
Alien Registration Card (issued by the U.S. Government)
Birth Registration issued by an appropriate governmental agency
Certificate issued by the Immigration and Naturalization Service attesting to age
Certificate of an American Citizen born abroad issued by the governing agency
Note: Hospital, Baptismal or Religious Certificates are not acceptable as Proof of Age. Documents in foreign languages must have an English translation attached to the original document (the translation is required for tournament play).
4.PROOF OF AGE – shall consist of a birth certificate, a Uniformed Services Identification and Privilege Card (DD Form 1173) issued by the uniformed services of the United States, a birth registration issued by an appropriate government agency, or board of health records, a passport, an alien registration card issued by the United States Government, a certificate issued by the Immigration and Naturalization Service attesting to age, a current driver’s license, an unexpired federal, state or local government identification card (If documentation of date of birth is required), or a certification of an American citizen born abroad and issued by the appropriate government agency. Hospital, baptismal, or religious certificates will not be accepted. Player proof of age for traveling teams shall be available upon request.5.RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS - state that any player who is a South Carolina resident may register in an affiliated organization. A resident is a player living or residing in the State of South Carolina with his or her parent(s) or guardian(s) or a student in residence at a boarding school, college or university located in South Carolina. Any other questions of residency may be determined by the state in which the player is registered to vote or holds a current driver’s license. Any player or teamresiding in a state other than South Carolina wishing to register and play in an affiliated organization of South Carolina Youth Soccer must receive written permission each seasonal year from South Carolina Youth Soccer and the State Association where he/she resides
You can quote all that crap till the cows come home man. That doesn't mean that people are actually enforcing the rules. There are plenty of laws on the books in this country, state, locality that are never enforced at all. Same goes for all that stuff you just quoted to me above. Rules on paper are just that. They have no worth or value unless they are properly enforced. I'm sure when you get to the level of DA and ECNL that it might actually get looked at and verified. We are talking about NL, Classic I, SCCL teams here not DA or ECNL. I know for a fact that the majority of clubs don't verify or even look at birth certificates when registering a player with Georgia Soccer. They take it on face that the parent gave the right birth date. The GA soccer registering system doesn't even allow upload of birth certificates to their system anymore either and that ceased to be a function years ago. The fact is the only person collecting birth certificates are the team managers (if they even do it), and talk to team managers, none of them ever have to show it and even if they did have to show them if someone has a fake birth certificate there would be no way for any league, club, tournament, referee, etc... to be able to verify the authenticity of a photocopy of someone's birth certificate at least as the level we are talking about here which is NL, Classic I, and SCCL. |
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KSA 01
Jun 25, 2019 13:59:12 GMT -5
Post by papacoach on Jun 25, 2019 13:59:12 GMT -5
Good thang governing bodies for youth soccer checks for birth verification and document are required upon request at the playing fields; I bet any team manager would know first hand about carrying teams binders... oops, I guess u forgot that part As a former team manager, I can tell you that we never submitted birth certificates to GA Soccer, only pictures. The club submits the players information to GA Soccer for ADG, but no birth certificate either. Usually only the TM has this and not the club for tournament purposes. When we participated in RPL and Regionals, we didn't have to submit birth certificates either, since kids already have a player pass from the state. For tournaments, yes you submit a birth certificate for "checking" but its just looked at, no one verifies if its real or fake. I have seen parents with blank signed birth certificates from different countries and then they go get them filled out at an office. In fact I had someone ask me to help them fill one out once and I said no, this was not someone from our club, they happen to come in to a place I worked at the time. Believe what you want, but it happens, at some clubs more than others. You can choose to look the other way as long as you are winning I guess Here's a perfect step by step on how to create a team binder by COSC; take notice of #9: Birth Certificates: www.californiaodyssey.org/team-managers/binder/create-your-team-binderRead more: gasoccerforum.com/thread/3699/ksa-01?page=4#ixzz5rt7NCAYm |
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 25, 2019 14:01:38 GMT -5
As a former team manager, I can tell you that we never submitted birth certificates to GA Soccer, only pictures. The club submits the players information to GA Soccer for ADG, but no birth certificate either. Usually only the TM has this and not the club for tournament purposes. When we participated in RPL and Regionals, we didn't have to submit birth certificates either, since kids already have a player pass from the state. For tournaments, yes you submit a birth certificate for "checking" but its just looked at, no one verifies if its real or fake. I have seen parents with blank signed birth certificates from different countries and then they go get them filled out at an office. In fact I had someone ask me to help them fill one out once and I said no, this was not someone from our club, they happen to come in to a place I worked at the time. Believe what you want, but it happens, at some clubs more than others. You can choose to look the other way as long as you are winning I guess Here's a perfect step by step on how to create a team binder by COSC; take notice of #9: Birth Certificates: www.californiaodyssey.org/team-managers/binder/create-your-team-binderRead more: gasoccerforum.com/thread/3699/ksa-01?page=4#ixzz5rt7NCAYmYou can quote and tell me all the different requirements. It doesn't change the fact that some are fake. The only ones that actually check their validity are MLS clubs and that is why a KSA player was supposed to play with AU and then couldn't |
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KSA 01
Jun 25, 2019 14:19:34 GMT -5
Post by slickdaddy96 on Jun 25, 2019 14:19:34 GMT -5
You can quote and tell me all the different requirements. It doesn't change the fact that some are fake. The only ones that actually check their validity are MLS clubs and that is why a KSA player was supposed to play with AU and then couldn't The people with their head in the sand like to hide behind rules on paper when they know that nothing is enforced except for the clubs that actually want to enforce it. AU being the best example of one that actually looks at it all, as it would be very big egg on their face if they played an over-aged player. |
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KSA 01
Jun 25, 2019 14:19:38 GMT -5
Post by papacoach on Jun 25, 2019 14:19:38 GMT -5
Provided 3 states (Az, Sc, and GA) along with ECNL and DA requirements for player registration and documents needed for proof of age.
Page 3 of the 2018 -2019 PLAYER & COACH REGISTRATION GUIDELINES
Clearly states: Proof of Age Document requirements
Passport Preferred; non expired document - Birth certificate No void stickers
*What Forms are required in order to register a player to ECNL?
Each player must have the following three items. 1 - Player Photo (This must be a head shot) 2 - US Club Form (This must be uploaded as the Association Form) 3 - Proof of Birth (This is either a Birth Certificate or a Passport)
*Proof of age shall consist of a birth certificate, a Uniformed Services Identification and Privilege Card (DD Form 1173), a birth registration issued by an appropriate government agency, or board of health records, a passport, an alien registration card issued by the United States Government, a certificate issued by the Immigration and Naturalization Service attesting to age, a current driver’s license, an unexpired federal, state, or local government identification card or a certification of a United States citizen born abroad issued by the appropriate government agency. Hospital, baptismal, or religious certificates will not be accepted. See Rule 170.2c for details.
Any team playing a player who is over-age shall forfeit the game(s) in which that player takes part.
A player may play in his/her proper age group, or in an older age group. A player may NOT play in a younger age group.
For regular-season play, once rostered to a team, a player is considered to be the age of that team
GA Soccer Youth Rules and Regulations handbook, page 6, subsection 170.2 Player Age Classification
170.2 Player Age Classification
170.2a Member affiliates must register all their players with Georgia Soccer. Player classification for the soccer year shall be determined based on the official age group chart of Georgia Soccer-Youth.
170.2b A player may play on an older age team, but may not play on a younger age team.
170.2c Proof of age must be presented if deemed necessary. Proof of age shall consist of a birth certificate, a Uniformed Services Identification and Privilege Card (DD Form 1173) issued by the uniformed services of the United States, a birth registration issued by an appropriate government agency or board of health records, a passport, an alien registration card issued by the United States Government, a certificate issued by the Immigration and Naturalization Service attesting to age, a current driver’s license, an unexpired federal, state, or local government identification card (if documentation of date of birth is required), or a certification of a United States citizen born abroad issued by the appropriate government agency. Hospital, baptismal, or religious certificates will not be accepted.
2: For ASA (Arizona Soccer Associations) youth soccer proof of age requirements:
PROOF OF AGE
Club Registrars are required to verify each player's age and a copy of the player's proof of age must be available to the State Registrar upon request. The following is a list of acceptable "Proof of Age" documents:
Board of Health Records
Passport (current or expired)
Birth certificate (must be a certified copy)
Driver's License (not valid for State Championship play)
Alien Registration Card (issued by the U.S. Government)
Birth Registration issued by an appropriate governmental agency
Certificate issued by the Immigration and Naturalization Service attesting to age
Certificate of an American Citizen born abroad issued by the governing agency
Note: Hospital, Baptismal or Religious Certificates are not acceptable as Proof of Age. Documents in foreign languages must have an English translation attached to the original document (the translation is required for tournament play).
4.PROOF OF AGE – shall consist of a birth certificate, a Uniformed Services Identification and Privilege Card (DD Form 1173) issued by the uniformed services of the United States, a birth registration issued by an appropriate government agency, or board of health records, a passport, an alien registration card issued by the United States Government, a certificate issued by the Immigration and Naturalization Service attesting to age, a current driver’s license, an unexpired federal, state or local government identification card (If documentation of date of birth is required), or a certification of an American citizen born abroad and issued by the appropriate government agency. Hospital, baptismal, or religious certificates will not be accepted. Player proof of age for traveling teams shall be available upon request.5.RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS - state that any player who is a South Carolina resident may register in an affiliated organization. A resident is a player living or residing in the State of South Carolina with his or her parent(s) or guardian(s) or a student in residence at a boarding school, college or university located in South Carolina. Any other questions of residency may be determined by the state in which the player is registered to vote or holds a current driver’s license. Any player or teamresiding in a state other than South Carolina wishing to register and play in an affiliated organization of South Carolina Youth Soccer must receive written permission each seasonal year from South Carolina Youth Soccer and the State Association where he/she resides
You can quote all that crap till the cows come home man. That doesn't mean that people are actually enforcing the rules. There are plenty of laws on the books in this country, state, locality that are never enforced at all. Same goes for all that stuff you just quoted to me above. Rules on paper are just that. They have no worth or value unless they are properly enforced. I'm sure when you get to the level of DA and ECNL that it might actually get looked at and verified. We are talking about NL, Classic I, SCCL teams here not DA or ECNL. I know for a fact that the majority of clubs don't verify or even look at birth certificates when registering a player with Georgia Soccer. They take it on face that the parent gave the right birth date. The GA soccer registering system doesn't even allow upload of birth certificates to their system anymore either and that ceased to be a function years ago. The fact is the only person collecting birth certificates are the team managers (if they even do it), and talk to team managers, none of them ever have to show it and even if they did have to show them if someone has a fake birth certificate there would be no way for any league, club, tournament, referee, etc... to be able to verify the authenticity of a photocopy of someone's birth certificate at least as the level we are talking about here which is NL, Classic I, and SCCL. Hence the ENCL and DA requirements listed.. i doubt there's unbridled and rampant violations along NL, Classic I, SCCL club registrations; the few that few are caught and punished accordingly. US Club Soccer: Registration is required of all players participating in US Club Soccer-operated or -sanctioned programming. Players who are not currently registered with US Club Soccer are not allowed to participate in US Club Soccer programming, nor are they covered by US Club Soccer insurance. I know first hand from experiences with international and Stateside leagues across many states lines, first thing clubs ask for during player registration is proof of age; No documents, NO PLAY period!! i have asked myself as a coach. team manger, and team trainer more than once to see player age verification and seen opposing coaches ask on the pitch to verify players' age too... Is it common, NO but will it happen, YES!! Any questions, i bet your club and or state Registrar will assist and point you in the right direction. |
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KSA 01
Jun 25, 2019 14:48:34 GMT -5
Post by papacoach on Jun 25, 2019 14:48:34 GMT -5
You can quote and tell me all the different requirements. It doesn't change the fact that some are fake. The only ones that actually check their validity are MLS clubs and that is why a KSA player was supposed to play with AU and then couldn't The people with their head in the sand like to hide behind rules on paper when they know that nothing is enforced except for the clubs that actually want to enforce it. AU being the best example of one that actually looks at it all, as it would be very big egg on their face if they played an over-aged player. And there's people that doubt anything and everything based on their limited first hand knowledge. Is there bad apples in the bunch sure, however, the bundle of apples isn't judged simply by a few.. only the misinformed would think otherwise |
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KSA 01
Jun 25, 2019 15:05:42 GMT -5
Post by papacoach on Jun 25, 2019 15:05:42 GMT -5
You can quote and tell me all the different requirements. It doesn't change the fact that some are fake. The only ones that actually check their validity are MLS clubs and that is why a KSA player was supposed to play with AU and then couldn't Without specifics and surrounding circumstances, purely Anecdotal to say the least ... one player out of many coming from one club. Who's changing the facts and figures? facts are apparent, majority to all player registrations follow protocol, when they aren't, "the some are fake" are caught and punished per the written requirements you seem to brush off. The mass majority (high 90s%) of clubs and players are doing the right thang.. |
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KSA 01
Jun 25, 2019 15:20:12 GMT -5
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Jun 25, 2019 15:20:12 GMT -5
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KSA 01
Jun 25, 2019 15:21:33 GMT -5
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Jun 25, 2019 15:21:33 GMT -5
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jun 25, 2019 15:28:59 GMT -5
What if the "one player" is scoring 2 goals a game and drastically affecting the outcome of those games? To some people with low scruples, this would be absolutely worth it.
I also doubt its happening in SCCL, and USUALLY not in NL. The SCCL clubs are big clubs with reputations that are a cornerstone of their existence. Most of the NL clubs are pretty big clubs with more than 1 team per age group also (Roswell, IAFC, AFC, etc).
IMO if you KNOWINGLY play a player who is above age in a league that doesn't allow it (no bio-banding), you personally should be banned from that league for a minimum of 3 years. No contact with any clubs under that league banner (blackballed). Cheating like this flies in the face of the game and the spirit of fair competition.
There's a reason we primarily hear about it all swirling around this club and not from the big clubs...they don't want to risk it. They feel the risk is not worth the reward. I think there were some state cup titles invalidated, no?
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Post by crossbar on Jun 25, 2019 16:10:15 GMT -5
What if the "one player" is scoring 2 goals a game and drastically affecting the outcome of those games? To some people with low scruples, this would be absolutely worth it. I also doubt its happening in SCCL, and USUALLY not in NL. The SCCL clubs are big clubs with reputations that are a cornerstone of their existence. Most of the NL clubs are pretty big clubs with more than 1 team per age group also (Roswell, IAFC, AFC, etc). IMO if you KNOWINGLY play a player who is above age in a league that doesn't allow it (no bio-banding), you personally should be banned from that league for a minimum of 3 years. No contact with any clubs under that league banner (blackballed). Cheating like this flies in the face of the game and the spirit of fair competition. There's a reason we primarily hear about it all swirling around this club and not from the big clubs...they don't want to risk it. They feel the risk is not worth the reward. I think there were some state cup titles invalidated, no? It’s not going to happen often in SCCL because those are second tier teams. If a kid’s not good enough to make the top team, it’s not worth the risk rostering them if they’re over-age. And it’s very unlikely in DA due to the much more stringent international clearance process. There’s a reason that some kids that Atlanta United *really* wanted have left that program without ever being rostered and gone back to their home clubs (one in particular...). It’s because they couldn’t get cleared for DA, but they skate right through the Georgia Soccer (or even ECNL) verification “process.” |
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KSA 01
Jun 25, 2019 17:01:10 GMT -5
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jun 25, 2019 17:01:10 GMT -5
Regardless, this is all on GYSA to try and enforce. How'd they get nailed at nationals?
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KSA 01
Jun 25, 2019 17:20:31 GMT -5
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 25, 2019 17:20:31 GMT -5
😂😂😂 If it quacks like a duck... |
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KSA 01
Jun 25, 2019 18:27:13 GMT -5
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Post by papacoach on Jun 25, 2019 18:27:13 GMT -5
waterfowl isn’t my thang so quack away
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Post by gaprospects on Jul 28, 2019 15:03:53 GMT -5
Just gonna revive this thread now that this team has won the U18 USYS National Championship with a 7-0 victory in the final. They scored 20 goals in 5 matches in at Nationals, with 17 of them coming from 2 players
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KSA 01
Jul 28, 2019 16:01:29 GMT -5
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Post by footy on Jul 28, 2019 16:01:29 GMT -5
Which 2 players? DV and ??
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Post by gaprospects on Jul 28, 2019 17:39:30 GMT -5
DV had 7, JD, another Haitian, had 10
It is a bit insane for KSA to be fielding 4-5 Haitian YNT players in USYS, hopefully these kids can find a home at the next level because they're too good not to
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Post by rifle on Jul 29, 2019 17:25:07 GMT -5
Congrats. Very talented team.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Jul 30, 2019 15:16:41 GMT -5
Kind of sad that the most recent Georgia team to win a national championship has such a black cloud around it
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