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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 27, 2020 14:29:33 GMT -5
Looks like we have something coming: saw the same post from Inter Atlanta and TYSA and Georgia Storm
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Post by soccerlegacy on Feb 27, 2020 14:32:51 GMT -5
Good for them! I mean it...
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Post by atlsoccer on Feb 27, 2020 14:40:09 GMT -5
Looks like we have something coming: saw the same post from Inter Atlanta and TYSA and Georgia Storm Does this qualify as something? Or is it safe to assume they have an alliance and will simply apply and be denied for DA once again?
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Post by TheMadOx on Feb 27, 2020 14:55:32 GMT -5
Looks like Tysa, Impact, Storm, Alliance, Sharks and Inter....large group coming together
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Post by mistergrinch on Feb 27, 2020 14:58:55 GMT -5
Looks like Tysa, Impact, Storm, Alliance, Sharks and Inter....large group coming together Sharks? the others are all in relative proximity... but LSA? Also, the girls side already has an alliance with NTH.. so how does that all work?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 27, 2020 15:05:26 GMT -5
A merger that had DA and ECNL would be super dope..
A merger that had DA and ECNL and partial funding would be doper....
A merger that had DA and ECNL and fully funding would be dopest....
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Post by TheMadOx on Feb 27, 2020 15:06:20 GMT -5
Right? Heck, Alliance is already an "alliance" with Cherokee, Rush, and Inter? LSA with NTH? I wouldn't even say it's relative Proximity....Tucker to Gainesville to Cherokee County to Atlanta...With the exception of TYSA and Inter...Cherokee and Gainesville are 50 miles from the rest...crazy.
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Post by soccerlegacy on Feb 27, 2020 15:47:00 GMT -5
Looks like Tysa, Impact, Storm, Alliance, Sharks and Inter....large group coming together This comment confused me... Is this saying all of these teams are coming together as an "Alliance"?? The announcement just speaks to Inter and TYSA (and it looks like Storm was added??) The Alliance right now is just Inter, Impact and Rush (which took Smyrna's place) correct?
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 27, 2020 16:05:49 GMT -5
It just feels like people don't understand the need for proximity when you form an alliance. How do you keep this together? What's the play (obviously DA or ECNL), both unlikely because you have to convince PARENTS TO DRIVE.
If these ones merged...
Tucker and Inter = Smart Impact and Storm = Smart LSA and Jackson/Jefferson Alliance = Smart
But these 3 groups would still be very far apart from one another. Best of luck to them. It would be easier if there was a more central primary club.
NTH and Smyrna...that one made sense. SSA and Smyrna would have made more sense.
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Post by interestedspectator on Feb 27, 2020 16:37:00 GMT -5
Don't think it is a new alliance. I have heard that they are putting a new league together.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 27, 2020 16:40:00 GMT -5
Not a bad idea I guess. Kinda funny though, aren't they already in a league together?
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Post by atv on Feb 27, 2020 17:14:14 GMT -5
Maybe it’s a reference in support of the Atlanta “United” community clinics through Innovate to grow fund....
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Post by sokababa on Feb 27, 2020 17:25:59 GMT -5
"Alliance" is not Jackson/Jefferson Alliance. It is Georgia Alliance Cobb, which is mostly made up of former Smyrna players. The three originals are Inter, Impact and Georgia Alliance Cobb. Rush joined earlier in the year. They are not in a league together. 06 GAFC and 06 Inter are National League Piedmont Conference Premier 1 and 06 GA Rush is in Premier 2. Everything else is on the academy level. The four clubs chose players from all allied clubs for an Elite program in each age group from 05 down that practices together and will later in the spring play in tournaments. These are mainly DA level players, many of which were members of the teams put together for the DA push last year.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 27, 2020 18:27:51 GMT -5
That's why I specified "Jackson" alliance...because it would make total sense for THAT club to ally themselves with LSA. My argument is about proximity and no idea where that alliance thing is HQ'd.
Also, Alliance and United are far too overused in soccer.
Also, Georgia Alliancr Cobb is different than Georgia alliance? Because it's an offshoot of the smyrna/NTH merger? I remember someone said that some of the smyrna coaches were forming a new club...
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Feb 27, 2020 19:17:56 GMT -5
Looks like Tysa, Impact, Storm, Alliance, Sharks and Inter....large group coming together Sharks? the others are all in relative proximity... but LSA? Also, the girls side already has an alliance with NTH.. so how does that all work? The original contract for the alliance between LSA and Tophat had an option for LSA to opt out after 2 years, which expires this May. Or, this is purely the boys side of LSA as the NTH alliance is only on the girls side.
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Post by flamengo100 on Feb 27, 2020 19:35:37 GMT -5
They are forming their own league. Will be called CCL or something like that.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Feb 27, 2020 19:39:03 GMT -5
The one team that is surprisingly not there is Roswell Santos .
Also, if trying to pull off its own league, would that be purely for academy level and honestly why bother when you already have a direct path to the National League? I would assume this would be for all of their second teams and the top teams would stay in Georgia Soccer so they still have path for state cup and National League
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Post by baller84 on Feb 27, 2020 21:33:27 GMT -5
Looks like we have something coming: saw the same post from Inter Atlanta and TYSA and Georgia Storm If it's about merging into a mega club for a DA or ECNL spot, I get it. That would be good and was good when Georgia United did it. . Top team DA/ECNL, 2nd teams and lower play locally in Georgia Soccer or form their own US Club league. If its about merging for the sake of merging, it makes zero sense, or about forming another league in US Club makes even less sense, and good luck keeping players in an island.
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Post by Keeper on Feb 27, 2020 23:01:21 GMT -5
It’s a non merging, alliance of clubs to combat the SCCL debacle that is crippling Ga Soccer and making mediocre soccer.
Afc Lightning, Alpharetta Ambush, Chiefs, Rush & Santos have all been given the hard used car sales to join SCCL 1-3 while these clubs are pushing back and staying in Ga Soccer to form their own mini league “Premier League”. It’s pretty much millennial soccer all over where everyone gets a champions ribbon just for participating and everyone suffers as we have to watch the NTs not make a World Cup or World Cup Final because our “top” talent never gets challenged.
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Post by soccerlegacy on Feb 27, 2020 23:15:12 GMT -5
It just feels like people don't understand the need for proximity when you form an alliance. How do you keep this together? What's the play (obviously DA or ECNL), both unlikely because you have to convince PARENTS TO DRIVE. If these ones merged... Tucker and Inter = Smart Impact and Storm = Smart LSA and Jackson/Jefferson Alliance = Smart But these 3 groups would still be very far apart from one another. Best of luck to them. It would be easier if there was a more central primary club. NTH and Smyrna...that one made sense. SSA and Smyrna would have made more sense. Actually Impact and Storm are WAY apart, so that would be quite a drive for the parents also. Impact and Rush are close in proximity but that is already part of the GA Alliance. I know Impact leadership has been trying for ECNL and DA for YEARS, so I'm guessing this that's what this is all about. I just don't see how they could form a new league considering how small these clubs are. And if it is somehow is a new league, what do the other small clubs do? RYSA, Strikers, Chiefs, Santos, All-in, etc... what happens to them?
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Post by soccerspin on Feb 27, 2020 23:49:51 GMT -5
They are forming their own league. Will be called CCL or something like that. Sounds about right when looking at the website... clubchampionsleague.com/
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Post by atv on Feb 28, 2020 7:30:50 GMT -5
They are forming their own league. Will be called CCL or something like that. Sounds about right when looking at the website... clubchampionsleague.com/This looks like the same thing as SCCL except in Virginia, NE, etc. I didn’t spend a lot of time reviewing but several of these CCL teams have ECNL. Also, IMO, I don’t think this announcement has anything to do with ECNL. There is typically a teaser thread preceding big announcements like new clubs. The “alliance” focus has been around inclusion in USSF DA not Club run leagues. I think they are trying to form a Georgia United type model. I’m thinking this is DPL or something similar.
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Post by hotspur1 on Feb 28, 2020 7:47:46 GMT -5
It’s a non merging, alliance of clubs to combat the SCCL debacle that is crippling Ga Soccer and making mediocre soccer. Afc Lightning, Alpharetta Ambush, Chiefs, Rush & Santos have all been given the hard used car sales to join SCCL 1-3 while these clubs are pushing back and staying in Ga Soccer to form their own mini league “Premier League”. It’s pretty much millennial soccer all over where everyone gets a champions ribbon just for participating and everyone suffers as we have to watch the NTs not make a World Cup or World Cup Final because our “top” talent never gets challenged. This post got me thinking. At this point, what good is Georgia Soccer anyway and what do they provide to clubs? Back when my daughter started the alphabet leagues didn’t exist. Making SRPL meant something. Watching certain teams like the Roswell squad that was placed in Athena C win their way up the tables to be one of the best squads in the state. The midgets doing their thing. State cup. Great competition that helped to prove the best teams on the field. Then ECNL, DA, collapse of RPL, SCCL.... so really why is there even a need for Georgia Soccer at this point. Do they provide anything other than administer leagues? I’ve never really understood the hate for SCCL or piedmont or anything else. Soccer is so much different today than ten years ago anyway.
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Post by atv on Feb 28, 2020 8:21:18 GMT -5
The driving force behind everything is the creation of DA 10 plus years ago marginalizing thousands of players and coaches and hundreds of clubs. USSF effectively said, “we know best how to develop players”. Effectively implementing a system that is geographically restricting, destroys diversity and creativity, and places a glass ceiling on thousands of players.
Any club or player implementing change is good and creates more of a free market/ competitive system.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Feb 28, 2020 8:30:02 GMT -5
Back on November 18 I posted a thread quoting a higher up at Interatlanta who told me they were being granted DA. I didn’t believe it but now I’m wondering if that was a partial reality as maybe these 6 clubs are being granted a girls DA slot under a Georgia United name. Would make sense for them to train out of Interatlanta as probably the center point of these 6 clubs. LSA already has DA on the boys side and some of those other clubs have been trying to align for DA for awhile.
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Post by justwatching on Feb 28, 2020 8:39:40 GMT -5
New league makes sense. Not saying I agree with having it but with the SCCL expansion capturing all the big and medium sized clubs the small guys have to play in something. Although I am a little surprised to see Inter Atlanta in the conversation. I expected them to get pulled into SCCL with the likes of AFC, Ambush, and Roswell. All these teams could stay GA Soccer but GA Soccer will likely take some pretty big hits after this year so not sure what remains there in the fall.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 28, 2020 9:15:14 GMT -5
It’s a non merging, alliance of clubs to combat the SCCL debacle that is crippling Ga Soccer and making mediocre soccer. Afc Lightning, Alpharetta Ambush, Chiefs, Rush & Santos have all been given the hard used car sales to join SCCL 1-3 while these clubs are pushing back and staying in Ga Soccer to form their own mini league “Premier League”. It’s pretty much millennial soccer all over where everyone gets a champions ribbon just for participating and everyone suffers as we have to watch the NTs not make a World Cup or World Cup Final because our “top” talent never gets challenged. This post got me thinking. At this point, what good is Georgia Soccer anyway and what do they provide to clubs? Back when my daughter started the alphabet leagues didn’t exist. Making SRPL meant something. Watching certain teams like the Roswell squad that was placed in Athena C win their way up the tables to be one of the best squads in the state. The midgets doing their thing. State cup. Great competition that helped to prove the best teams on the field. Then ECNL, DA, collapse of RPL, SCCL.... so really why is there even a need for Georgia Soccer at this point. Do they provide anything other than administer leagues? I’ve never really understood the hate for SCCL or piedmont or anything else. Soccer is so much different today than ten years ago anyway. So when Ga Soccer was looking for a new director, I know a few who were interested -- word I got from our DOC at that time, was GA soccer didn't want anyone who was going to rattle the cages and makes drastic changes in the organization, they just wanted to continue as is. Just saying what I heard at the time. In my opinion that was what Greg did, he sold the federation narrative etc. Especially when it came to the age mandate etc -- no questions etc, do as they ask. It's crazy to the thing that the state soccer organizations are basically meaningless for higher level soccer. I've said it before when Gulati retired (stepped down, quit, whatever he did..) -- state organizations all just kissed his and the federations butts vs really putting them to task. That is just me on my soapbox -- off the soapbox. alliances are tough -- club favoritism, coaching selections, player selections ultimately -new league = bad, very bad new alliance -- i'm in, if they come in and offer a deal etc. GA United was widely successful, but ultimately $ did become an issue, coaches were not being paid on time or at all, and really the alliance could only afford directors who were already making big bucks from the clubs. Also some clubs, aka NASA didn't want some of their top coaches coaching DA teams and the word was their board wouldn't allow it. This might have just been one example, because the opportunities to coach were very minimal with DS, TA and RD/RS taking/coaching teams. An alliance can learn from GA Uniteds mistakes --- GA united also stopped carrying where you were from, alliance club players had no preferential treatment when making the rosters -- it became a free for all at tryouts -- in my opinion if you have an alliance, the vast majority of players should come from that alliance -- who what is the point? Why would I invest money into DA if your not taking or using our players -- that is where it fails. But with parents paying the bill now, it's a slightly different, but still requires investment and time from a participating club. Change the goal from making money to making soccer players and we all will benefit........
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Post by girlsoccer on Feb 28, 2020 9:57:18 GMT -5
New league makes sense. Not saying I agree with having it but with the SCCL expansion capturing all the big and medium sized clubs the small guys have to play in something. Although I am a little surprised to see Inter Atlanta in the conversation. I expected them to get pulled into SCCL with the likes of AFC, Ambush, and Roswell. All these teams could stay GA Soccer but GA Soccer will likely take some pretty big hits after this year so not sure what remains there in the fall. Roswell is going SCCL I hear.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 28, 2020 10:19:46 GMT -5
I can see 2nd teams from other clubs playing SCCL-Pn (where n = 1..3). But no way Roswell pulls their top teams from NL-P, there has been enough debate on here about what happened to AFU's 05's when that happened. It would be club suicide (maybe the goal...devalue the clubs and gobble them up). Or maybe Roswell isn't looking forward to traveling to Florida in the 2020-21 NL-P?
New league for this alliance works IF...they can get an automatic qualifier position for US Club nationals like SCCL did.
Will be interesting to see how things unfold in the next 2 months...
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Post by girlsoccer on Feb 28, 2020 10:48:35 GMT -5
I can see 2nd teams from other clubs playing SCCL-Pn (where n = 1..3). But no way Roswell pulls their top teams from NL-P, there has been enough debate on here about what happened to AFU's 05's when that happened. It would be club suicide (maybe the goal...devalue the clubs and gobble them up). Or maybe Roswell isn't looking forward to traveling to Florida in the 2020-21 NL-P? New league for this alliance works IF...they can get an automatic qualifier position for US Club nationals like SCCL did. Will be interesting to see how things unfold in the next 2 months... We’ll see when the official announcements come out, then I’ll say I told you so 😀 But would anyone be excited about adding in trips to Florida for regular season? I think not. And I believe some of the FL clubs being added are not only in FL but in Miami, which makes NL Piedmont that much less desirable.
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