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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 28, 2020 11:51:08 GMT -5
So USYS kills R3PL again?
So thinking outside the OLD box (and inside the NEW box)...
On the girls side, it would be beneficial if Roswell, Inter, Impact and another 1-2 mid-size clubs (maybe AFC or Columbus?) got together with other regular participants in current NL Piedmont (Wake FC, Wilson, JIYSC, Furman, Cainhoy, Bulls, etc) and create ANOTHER US Club league which rivals both NPL and NL (but outside SCCL). There is enough Geographic spread in ATL area between these clubs to draw 2nd-3rd team players from the big 5-6 to make this league viable (especially with the limited travel). The interstate travel bit is apparently crucial to a big name league (but NO FLORIDA). But as another poster mentioned, this would be a more-kids-get-medals league.
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Post by fridge on Feb 28, 2020 12:10:30 GMT -5
Back on November 18 I posted a thread quoting a higher up at Interatlanta who told me they were being granted DA. I didn’t believe it but now I’m wondering if that was a partial reality as maybe these 6 clubs are being granted a girls DA slot under a Georgia United name. Would make sense for them to train out of Interatlanta as probably the center point of these 6 clubs. LSA already has DA on the boys side and some of those other clubs have been trying to align for DA for awhile. I can't believe this would happen. The top tier in GA is depleted with 2 DA and 4 ECNL teams. I think in total there should be maybe 4 (that is for a different discussion). Let's face it, UFA has not got it's sea legs yet in DA--though I think it definitely will in the very near future. So, that would not help DA locally. Also, where is Interatlanta, etc. going to poach talent from to create a 3rd DA team? The most logical choice would be the TH DPL team based on jurisdiction and those folks being in the "DA camp." LOL, we would then come full circle. Of course, the federation continues to do stupid stuff, so who knows. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 28, 2020 12:44:15 GMT -5
I just don't see it working (DA for an alliance like this).
3 years in and IMO UFA DA should have their sea legs (especially with NTH seemingly growing in Milton). The talent pool on the north side is too diluted. IMO they'd be stronger with ECNL than DA, I think they'd be stronger than AFU ECNL, which I don't think they are now (dead even based on 05 and 06 friendlies).
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Post by atv on Feb 28, 2020 12:51:26 GMT -5
... so when is this announcement coming out. We’ve done a very thorough job of speculating and the suspense is suddenly killing me!
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Post by cobbsoccerm on Feb 28, 2020 13:00:26 GMT -5
I can tell you that there are some really strong teams and players at GA Alliance Cobb already, even in its infancy. The academy teams (especially at the younger age groups) are strong (very strong), there's excellent leadership/coaching, and an all around great "family" feel at the club that is causing a buzz in Cobb for sure. NTH/Smyrna blow up was the best thing that ever happened as far as these families are concerned! This is a club to watch out for and we're all excited for what's to come with the new announcement.
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Post by fridge on Feb 28, 2020 13:01:23 GMT -5
I just don't see it working (DA for an alliance like this). 3 years in and IMO UFA DA should have their sea legs (especially with NTH seemingly growing in Milton). The talent pool on the north side is too diluted. IMO they'd be stronger with ECNL than DA, I think they'd be stronger than AFU ECNL, which I don't think they are now (dead even based on 05 and 06 friendlies). No argument here. And this is why I have the opinion that for the "highest" level leagues/teams (DA/ECNL), there should be 3 GA clubs--maybe a 4th which might compete ok outside of GA, but would not compete that well against the other 3 teams. |
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Post by soccerlegacy on Feb 28, 2020 13:31:57 GMT -5
So GA Alliance Cobb = Ga Alliance? correct? I've just never heard the "Cobb" added on and wanted to make sure I had it correct.
Inter, Impact and Rush make up the majority of this club, true?
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Post by cobbsoccerm on Feb 28, 2020 13:40:48 GMT -5
GA Alliance is currently the combination of Inter, Impact, GA Rush, and GA Alliance Cobb. Smyrna SC was the fourth member club last year but those who left SSC formed GA Alliance Cobb and still play out of the Smyrna area. The member clubs combine players for elite teams featuring all member club players for some events, but GA Alliance Cobb stands on its own for regular season games. GA Alliance Cobb has academy teams, 07 select, and an 06 NL team on the boys side. www.georgiaalliancefc.com/ www.gafccobb.com/ |
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Post by soccerlegacy on Feb 28, 2020 15:17:19 GMT -5
GA Alliance is currently the combination of Inter, Impact, GA Rush, and GA Alliance Cobb. Smyrna SC was the fourth member club last year but those who left SSC formed GA Alliance Cobb and still play out of the Smyrna area. The member clubs combine players for elite teams featuring all member club players for some events, but GA Alliance Cobb stands on its own for regular season games. GA Alliance Cobb has academy teams, 07 select, and an 06 NL team on the boys side. www.georgiaalliancefc.com/ www.gafccobb.com/Thanks for the insight! I never heard of Ga Alliance Cobb, which I feel guilty for somehow not knowing... I knew about the GA Alliance forming elite teams for events, just not about the "Cobb" portion that plays regular season games. I thought Smyrna SC players had either folded into NTH or scattered to SSA and others. Is there a girls side also? Anyway, Glad you're on this board and can provide insight from their perspective on things.  |
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Post by TheMadOx on Feb 28, 2020 15:24:12 GMT -5
I'm going to make a bold prediction and probably an unpopular one...Girls DA is going to eventually die off...it was a fun experiment. In my opinion, ECNL is the best ran league in the country hands down on the girls side. Competition for the most part is excellent and balanced, showcases are top notch. It's rare to see an ECNL match with a 10-12 goal differential like you experience with DA matches. It would be hard pressed to see the ECNL organization allowing a newly formed alliance an ECNL spot any time soon! But time will tell.
The Georgia Soccer model is done...the customer base has spoken and they want something different. Any team from any club can apply to join the SCCLp 1-3 levels...it's not club centric, it is team oriented and has promotion and relegation. Clubs do not have to provide teams in every age group or level...only in the SCCL top spot, which is club centric and probably locked up by current clubs...hopefully they will provide teams the opportunity to unlock that part and let that play in the promote/relegate game.
If you like the old Georgia Soccer Model, here it is. Newly formed and run by a private entity...not the old dinosaurs that refused to listen to it's customers.
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Post by honeybadger on Feb 28, 2020 15:28:11 GMT -5
I can see 2nd teams from other clubs playing SCCL-Pn (where n = 1..3). But no way Roswell pulls their top teams from NL-P, there has been enough debate on here about what happened to AFU's 05's when that happened. It would be club suicide (maybe the goal...devalue the clubs and gobble them up). Or maybe Roswell isn't looking forward to traveling to Florida in the 2020-21 NL-P? New league for this alliance works IF...they can get an automatic qualifier position for US Club nationals like SCCL did. Will be interesting to see how things unfold in the next 2 months... As a former AFU 05 parent I can say--100% correct! NL was a lot better than SCCL-P for AFU (yes they did great in the SCCL-P, but the competition is lower than they had in the NL). |
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Post by girlsoccer on Feb 28, 2020 15:34:51 GMT -5
I can see 2nd teams from other clubs playing SCCL-Pn (where n = 1..3). But no way Roswell pulls their top teams from NL-P, there has been enough debate on here about what happened to AFU's 05's when that happened. It would be club suicide (maybe the goal...devalue the clubs and gobble them up). Or maybe Roswell isn't looking forward to traveling to Florida in the 2020-21 NL-P? New league for this alliance works IF...they can get an automatic qualifier position for US Club nationals like SCCL did. Will be interesting to see how things unfold in the next 2 months... As a former AFU 05 parent I can say--100% correct! NL was a lot better than SCCL-P for AFU (yes they did great in the SCCL-P, but the competition is lower than they had in the NL). Level of play is definitely lower in SCCL-p than NL. Regular SCCL is closer. I think AFU is also joining regular SCCL (along with Roswell) for next year. Have you heard anything from AFU about that? |
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Post by Keeper on Feb 28, 2020 16:25:51 GMT -5
The driving force behind everything is the creation of DA 10 plus years ago marginalizing thousands of players and coaches and hundreds of clubs. USSF effectively said, “we know best how to develop players”. Effectively implementing a system that is geographically restricting, destroys diversity and creativity, and places a glass ceiling on thousands of players. Any club or player implementing change is good and creates more of a free market/ competitive system. No, didn’t ECNL come first? I’d say that was the beginning of the end when someone out side of USYS was allowed to branch off instead of fixing the problem. |
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Post by atv on Feb 28, 2020 16:56:43 GMT -5
The driving force behind everything is the creation of DA 10 plus years ago marginalizing thousands of players and coaches and hundreds of clubs. USSF effectively said, “we know best how to develop players”. Effectively implementing a system that is geographically restricting, destroys diversity and creativity, and places a glass ceiling on thousands of players. Any club or player implementing change is good and creates more of a free market/ competitive system. No, didn’t ECNL come first? I’d say that was the beginning of the end when someone out side of USYS was allowed to branch off instead of fixing the problem. No. Boys DA 2007. Girls ECNL 2009. USSF has a long history of ignoring Women’s soccer. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 28, 2020 19:29:40 GMT -5
Have you heard anything from AFU about that? Heard yes, but waiting on SCCL announcement before believing. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 28, 2020 19:34:48 GMT -5
No, didn’t ECNL come first? I’d say that was the beginning of the end when someone out side of USYS was allowed to branch off instead of fixing the problem. No. Boys DA 2007. Girls ECNL 2009. USSF has a long history of ignoring Women’s soccer. That is because women's soccer did not need help...from ECNL or DA. We were dominant without either. Most of the women on the current national team are too old for ECNL. It started 11 years ago and the average age of the players is 30. Even the ones that played ECNL only did for a few years except the young ones. |
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Post by socceristhebest on Feb 28, 2020 21:29:30 GMT -5
Since we are talking announcements: can we also get last years UFA announcement at the same time? (the announcement that never was?  ) |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 28, 2020 22:48:50 GMT -5
Since we are talking announcements: can we also get last years UFA announcement at the same time? (the announcement that never was? ) Just wait for the gala... |
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Post by localsoccernovice on Feb 28, 2020 23:13:01 GMT -5
It’s officially on the SCCL site. Have you heard anything from AFU about that? Heard yes, but waiting on SCCL announcement before believing. |
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Feb 29, 2020 6:51:06 GMT -5
When it becomes official that Roswell is going to SCCL, look for the NL teams at Roswell to take their spot to another club, they only need a majority of the players on the team to agree to change clubs. Non big 5 clubs around Roswell should reach out to their manager. Also, if the “United” is a new league for those 6 clubs I would suspect the LSA NL and any NL teams at those other clubs to do the same.
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Post by girlsoccer on Feb 29, 2020 8:48:01 GMT -5
When it becomes official that Roswell is going to SCCL, look for the NL teams at Roswell to take their spot to another club, they only need a majority of the players on the team to agree to change clubs. Non big 5 clubs around Roswell should reach out to their manager. Also, if the “United” is a new league for those 6 clubs I would suspect the LSA NL and any NL teams at those other clubs to do the same. You underestimate the bonding and cohesiveness of a group of girls, many of whom have played together since they were tiny and allegiance to a coach who has stuck with them for years. There are still some places where kids and parents are loyal to each other and to a coach and club. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 29, 2020 9:21:41 GMT -5
...and the desire of parents to want to travel to Florida during the regular season.
Plus Georgia will go from 4-8 NL slots (both boys and girls) down to 3-4.
Hopefully maybe in 2021-22, the SCCL can be con be convinced to branch to ECRL (sans NTH and UFA who will be in DPL). A league without Florida of course.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 29, 2020 10:01:21 GMT -5
The other rub RE: Roswell, while it would require some concession from Georgia Soccer, some US club teams in other states play in National League. First example is CESA 07G Elite. Also VHSC's first team boys STEAMERS BLACK play in both NL and SCCL.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 29, 2020 10:27:07 GMT -5
The other rub RE: Roswell, while it would require some concession from Georgia Soccer, some US club teams in other states play in National League. First example is CESA 07G Elite. Also VHSC's first team boys STEAMERS BLACK play in both NL and SCCL. Wake FC this year. CSA, AFC lightning last year. Plenty do both. Georgia soccer should let the best teams that want to play NL, play it. Otherwise they may well be sending weak teams to get slaughtered. What is the point in that? They did that this year anyhow. There were several teams that got annihilated. |
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Post by atv on Feb 29, 2020 11:34:03 GMT -5
No. Boys DA 2007. Girls ECNL 2009. USSF has a long history of ignoring Women’s soccer. That is because women's soccer did not need help...from ECNL or DA. We were dominant without either. Most of the women on the current national team are too old for ECNL. It started 11 years ago and the average age of the players is 30. Even the ones that played ECNL only did for a few years except the young ones. I would not disagree with any of that. Players can be developed by good coaches and clubs everywhere. ECNL was formed because USSF did not care about girls’ youth soccer. Individual’s from the club soccer community stepped up and made an elite competitive league for young women after DA was formed for boys (except clubs determine how best to develop their players). They also just so happened to do everything better. My point was USSF never really cared about girls youth soccer and this was another example in their history: First men’s YNT 1964 First women’s YNT 1989 Boys ODP 1977 Girls ODP 1982 Boys DA 2007 Girls ECNL 2009 Girl’s DA 2017 |
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Feb 29, 2020 15:29:51 GMT -5
When it becomes official that Roswell is going to SCCL, look for the NL teams at Roswell to take their spot to another club, they only need a majority of the players on the team to agree to change clubs. Non big 5 clubs around Roswell should reach out to their manager. Also, if the “United” is a new league for those 6 clubs I would suspect the LSA NL and any NL teams at those other clubs to do the same. You underestimate the bonding and cohesiveness of a group of girls, many of whom have played together since they were tiny and allegiance to a coach who has stuck with them for years. There are still some places where kids and parents are loyal to each other and to a coach and club. And since I’ve specifically talked to a few parents at Roswell you should understand that yes players want to stay together and want to keep what they earned, their NL spot, they are loyal to their group of players not loyal to a club turning their backs on them. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 29, 2020 16:10:31 GMT -5
You underestimate the bonding and cohesiveness of a group of girls, many of whom have played together since they were tiny and allegiance to a coach who has stuck with them for years. There are still some places where kids and parents are loyal to each other and to a coach and club. And since I’ve specifically talked to a few parents at Roswell you should understand that yes players want to stay together and want to keep what they earned, their NL spot, they are loyal to their group of players not loyal to a club turning their backs on them. Different strokes for different folks. Personally I don't think the club is turning their backs on them. They see the writing on the wall. Georgia soccer is going down the tubes and unless they start to allow some US Club teams into NL from Georgia their "earned" spot will mean squat. If other states hold their ECRL and NPL and DPL teams out then the NL in the south will be weak and uneven. No offense to Ambush 05, CFC Red star 05, Ga Rush 06, Moba 06, Moba 04, SAF 04, Georgia Impact 04, HCU (AFU south) 04 and I can continue on...but they had large (up to 45) negative goal differentials with 1 or 2 wins and an occasional 3 wins seasons. Roswell teams did well, but the league is way watered down. So maybe their NL games against other regions are good, but I am skeptical that NL in our area is worthy of hanging around for especially if you now have to go to Florida. Many people just don't want to travel that much. I don't know how many teams from each state will be in the new NL and maybe it will be more competitive after weeding out these teams like those mentioned above. I hope so for the players' and parents' sakes. The continual watering down just makes them have to go further to get good competition. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 29, 2020 16:44:32 GMT -5
The 05 Roswell team is undeniably good, but TBH this is wading against the river of future progression (club-based high level leagues vs team based high level leagues). And would the coach leave or stay with the club?
I'm sure some your kid's of teammates would want to leave to keep the NL spot (Ambush, Rush or Impact nearby), but 8-9? Good luck if so.
This is a similar argument as last year with AFU's 05's (though with a better team). The question is, should the club do do what they feel is best for the club (all 12 select age Blue teams) or for the 3-4 teams that will be left in the NL (2-3 girls, 1 boys). If they are in fact moving to SCCL-1, I am guessing that the club weighed the pros and cons of keeping those teams in NL with all the changes (less teams, one boys team being dropped due to the new rules, Florida travel, harder to put boys teams in than previously) and decided SCCL is the better option. I would guess that there's likely some ECNL-backing clause for GSA/AFU/CF to vote yes should Roswell apply.
The other point is maybe (most likely?) they do a hybrid approach like AFC, keep the NL teams in NL until they age out or get relegated.
The SCCL announcement for AFU said 2 more announcements...Roswell and AFC?This would make Inter the biggest club not in the league.
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Post by flamengo100 on Feb 29, 2020 19:33:20 GMT -5
Ambush will be joining SCCL and likely the top division. Tough club decisions as it's impossible to make every team happy. This is good news for the better Ambush teams but not for every single top team at Ambush that will be thrown into a much more competitive league. You can't pick and choose which of your teams will play in SCCL as it's a club based system. If they went the SCCL Premier route than the better team/players would likely go and find a different club. The hope would be playing in the top division attracts incoming new players at tryouts. Inter and numerous other clubs are starting their own league which was expedited with the recent SCCL Premier promotion/relegation posts. The clubs outside the big 6 are reacting to the current environment and trying to evolve/survive.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 29, 2020 20:26:58 GMT -5
Ambush is a bit surprising. But since they're in the summer league not that surprising. What is Rush going to do?
So now we will have 3 pyramids in state? SCCL, Georgia Soccer, and the Inter-league? ECNL/DA/DPL don't count.
Georgia soccer can stay relevant as the holder of Mational League positions and ODP. But USYS needs to get USSF to take ODP seriously, DA killed ODP. Also, National League Piedmont should become an adjunct/winter league between the fall and spring seasons of club and high school that differ between Florida/Georgia/Carolinas. Atlanta Cup can seed National League and State Cup can lead to USYS Regionals.
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