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Post by hateallthesechanges on Apr 17, 2020 10:38:31 GMT -5
Am I missing something? I thought one of the main reasons cited for MLS wanting to pull out of DA in recent years was the lack of meaningful competition, wanting more international travel... So now they are looking to add USL teams (big unknown) and the leftover DA clubs that ECNL isn't willing to add??? I know there were other control issues too but seems that will water down their new ultra competitive league.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Apr 16, 2020 13:56:00 GMT -5
Hateallthesechanges Your screen name speaks VOLUMES for the youth soccer landscape ... the irony is it looks like you have had the bane for over FOUR years So funny yet sad reality Exactly! My oldest was U13 the year of the birth year mandate. And then the hits just kept coming. Ha Ha.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Apr 16, 2020 13:42:53 GMT -5
I would think status quo would kick-in. They would continue the arrangement with CF they currently have. Run the 2nd ECNL team with the CF logo on the Jerseys and the boys "collaborate" but this time with an ECNL team and CF gets the continued use of real fields owned by SSA... Not sure if that would be the case... how are the two girls' team ran? I think they are both out of the central location. Are there any SSA coaches that have CF teams? What about the SSA players - do they make up decent numbers with the CF girl's ECNL teams? DA was a different story. With SSA stopping at 14, that partnership gave them further access. But with CF already having current ECNL players and now DA players to make two boys' teams... not sure I'd say CF will just give them teams to run. And with field usage - I've dug around a little, doesn't seem that's something that sweetens the deal. Are CF using them now? Looks like their tops teams use Ga Soccer Park. Girls ECNL, Boys DA - not seeing any SSA facilities used. SSA coaches ran 3 of the 7 girls ECNL Premier teams this year (05, 06, and 07). Those 3 teams are 99% original SSA players. They practiced out of Franklin Gateway which I believe is under an SSA contract. SSA coaches also coached 2 or 3 boys ECNL age groups out of Franklin Gateway too. So I agree with Futsal Gawdess. I don't think much changes with the relationship. I believe Concorde can choose to change the terms of the relationship at any point though so nothing is guaranteed.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Mar 9, 2020 14:14:55 GMT -5
I think my bigger question is do all the SCCL-P teams have to actually participate in this SCCL cup? I see not point if they are putting in the SCCL and SCCL-P all together. Only 1-2 teams in an SCCL-P bracket will be able to compete wit the top 1-3 SCCL teams. Just seems like a waste of money for most SCCL-P and probably a lot of the bottom seeded SCCL teams as well. Money would be better spent going to a tournament where these teams could be put in brackets that are competitive for them versus being force to play teams that are obviously better and not the same level of competition as 1/2 of the teams in SCCL/SCCL-P divisions. FWIW from the SCCL page The Southeastern Clubs Champions League would like to invite all elite teams to join us for the 1st annual SCCL Cup. The SCCL Cup will host SCCL, NPL, and ECNL level teams against each other over two weekends of play: May 17-19th and May 25-26th. It will run in partnership with three events: NTH Select Cup and Showcase, UFA Xtreme Cup, and the GSA Revolution Cup and Showcase. The SCCL Cup will be split among two events on the weekend of May 17-19th. The 12U-14U SCCL Cup participants will play in the UFA Extreme Cup, and the 15U-19U teams will play in the NTH Select Cup and Showcase. Teams will be seeded and play a round robin schedule. The winners of each division will play in the Championship SCCL Cup Bracket.The remaining teams will play in the Showcase SCCL Cup Bracket on the 2nd weekend of play at the GSA Revolution Cup and Showcase. Both weekends will host numerous college scouts. I think this is last year's SCCL Cup info. This year's is still a little vague and has different dates. soccer.sincsports.com/TTContent.aspx?tid=SCCLCUP&tab=1
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Feb 26, 2020 16:23:08 GMT -5
(Current) 1-PBG(Palm Beach Gardens,FL)-no GDA;no ECNL;no NPL 2-Tophat(Atlanta, GA)-has GDA;no NPL 3-USA/MP(Mt Pleasant, SC) no GDA;no ECNL;has NPL 4-Weston(Weston,FL)-has GDA; has NPL ?-*FC Virgina(Leesburg, VA)-has GDA;has NPL;DNP 2019/20 (new) 5-CSA (Charlotte, NC)-has GDA;has NPL 6-IMG(Bradenton,FL)- has GDA;has NPL 7-Unofficial:Florida Rush(Orlando,FL)-no GDA,no ECNL;no NPL 8-W. Fla Flames(Tampa area, Fl)- has GDA;has NPL ?-Unofficial:UFA(Atlanta,GA)-has GDA;has NPL ***updated with West Florida Flames*** 4 hours to CLT for 1 game. 5 hrs to Mt Pleasant for 1 game. Possibly 10 hrs to VA. Aside from possible UFA, the rest of the clubs are in Florida. Did I see someone post a comment that West Florida Flames lost Girls DA??? I feel like I saw that somewhere but can't find it now. So would this be their first or second team? Looks like in DA this season they went 1-41-1 across all age groups U15-U19. Yikes.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Feb 10, 2020 17:36:42 GMT -5
Seriously?!?! How did I guess this would come up. Are you really trying to make sweeping generalizations of entire leagues based on two 20 minute halves? If you can even call DPL a league. There were only 4 teams. Obviously both of these two specific teams have talent. But that doesn't mean you can compare the entire leagues. Whoa, Whoa, everyone calm done... lol. Just Kidding. The weather did deprive us of the opportunity to watch teams from various leagues play each other. I think we all would agree this is something we desire. Wether we like or not ECNL, DA, SCCL, NPL, DPL, MBYL (My Back Yard League) are all up and functioning except for 1 (can you guess which one). Maybe they all will play in a end of season tournament against each other. Until then everyone gets the opportunity to beat their chest and say my child plays for the best team. I'm actually not arguing either is better than the other. Just the original poster titled the post with two specific teams in one single age group that played one half of one full game and asked if that meant the leagues were on par. My point is that it is a HUGE stretch to make any global assumptions based on any single result.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Feb 10, 2020 14:57:24 GMT -5
Seriously?!?! How did I guess this would come up. Are you really trying to make sweeping generalizations of entire leagues based on two 20 minute halves? If you can even call DPL a league. There were only 4 teams. Obviously both of these two specific teams have talent. But that doesn't mean you can compare the entire leagues.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Feb 8, 2020 12:28:52 GMT -5
SSA just cancelled all afternoon games. Posted about the same time that LSA cancelled theirs. And the same time AU called off the U17 friendlies they had already started. So all 3 clubs reacted in roughly the same way and timeframe. Why is the forum so against SSA?
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Jan 31, 2020 12:10:20 GMT -5
This list is HEAVILY weighted with DA clubs. A very quick count looks like only 12-13 of the 60 are from non DA clubs. The announcement even says the full national camp at the end will be run by a few national team coaches and scouts and "6 DA coaches". And it says it starts with the local YNTs, which is again DOC nominated and very heavily weighted to DA clubs because that's who they are asking for nominations from. In concept I like the format. Unfortunately I think given the people in charge, they will miss out on a lot of talent.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Jan 30, 2020 8:36:05 GMT -5
I don't think this is so cut and dry. It depends on the team's depth. My daughter plays on a higher ranked ECNL team. Starters are usually starters. They usually get more time than the subs but the subs still get their fair share of time. It is not even steven and it does depend on what is happening in that particular game. There are times he keeps the starters in longer to win and there are times it isn't necessary and that gives the subs a good chance to prove themselves. It usually works out. We have depth though. There really is not much, if any, fall off when the subs come on. In any given game, they might be better than the starter at their position. I would hate to be paying the fees we are paying and wonder if my kid is going to get 5 minutes or even go in the game at all. I would probably try to change clubs and find a team where they weren't bottom 5 if this was the case. But what if they are always going to be bottom 5 on a top team. I wouldn't recommend them go to a lower team when they earned a spot on a top team and they are "almost as good" as the person ahead of them. I don't care how old or what level, I still believe kids need to, and deserve to, play in games. MAYBE at AU where the goal is making the first team, they can afford to not play kids. But I don't really see any other league/team/club in the state that warrants this. Coaches shouldn't select players they don't think can do the job at that level. But this is just my opinion based on the teams my kids have been a part of. As I said, I don't think there is a cut and dry answer. It depends on the team and the game. But generally, the goal should be to continue to develop ALL the players on the team.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Jan 27, 2020 7:24:51 GMT -5
Who is they? ODP South Region 08-06 boys & girls championships were in Auburndale, FL this weekend. Bloody awful refereeing. 05 & 04-03 South Region Championships are in June. Another region? Perhaps there was something else for the older age groups this weekend? There was a national ODP training camp for all ages 01/02 through 06 Boys and Girls this past weekend as well. But only a few GA players were selected across the age groups.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Jan 15, 2020 14:36:31 GMT -5
So I looked into this and I think I may have figured out what we're all referring to. This is what I have garnered so far from a couple of parents. AU is going to be implementing some changes for their U17s and U19s next year. The broad gist is this. They will no longer keep two teams at the U16/U17 age groups. So the U17s in waiting will no longer exist. It will be just one team. AU will take the top 2003s/2004s with the odd 2005 to make the U19s and the top 2004s/2005s to make the U17s. So for those of you wondering… yes there will be more cuts than normal😥😥 Secondly, and I would guess more impactful is the fact that they will no longer be practicing in the afternoon/evenings as is usual, but instead will be practicing in the mornings with the MLS - first team and the USL – second team. The teams will be done with their day by 3pm – 6pm depending on certain other factors(still trying to get more info on this portion). To combat the morning practice time, one parent said AU would provide some type of transportation another wasn’t sure, so not truly 100% sure which is correct/incorrect. Will share more as I know more… 😱😱 Ummm... What about school???
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Jan 8, 2020 7:56:39 GMT -5
My personal feelings (which carry essentially no weight since I don't run this excellently run forum)... There isn't nearly enough traffic to start stratifying things. To you, the most important thing is to break things up boys vs girls. To someone else, it might be pro/college path vs high school path. To another, it might be geographical. To yet another, it might be parents vs coaches vs players. Then we'll end up with 48 different forums with one post every 2 months in each one. "Hey, you should have posted this on the boys pro path western atlanta players forum!" I jest (mostly), but certainly the gender and level of soccer would be obvious breaks. So boys vs girls and then rec+ (my son played this, I'm not judging) vs highest level (DA and such). So that would be 4 separate forums already if everyone that felt passionately about not ever reading something unrelated to them got their way. Be diverse, learn a little, enjoy the community. It's not THAT much to look at. My son aged out almost 3 years ago and I still follow some of the conversations here. I agree with this. You can often gain insight into what might be coming down the path based on what is going on in the other anyway. Plus surely a decent percent of this population has children of both sexes. If you really only want to hear one side of it, simply put "Girls Only" in the subject line.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Dec 9, 2019 11:02:57 GMT -5
I am just a soccer mom that didn't play much myself and certainly don't claim to be an expert. But I watched the game and had the same exact critique as Soccerhouse. I am so proud of myself! Ha ha. I did not care for the keeper though.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Dec 4, 2019 15:15:05 GMT -5
Not sure if you are aware, but in some school districts, if you are in school for half the day + 1 minute, you are credited with being there the whole day. Ergo, no official absences. So our kids school day begun at 8am, all we had to do was make sure we checked them out after 12:01pm. On the flip side, we did have a prior personal and respectful conversation with their teachers(bypassing administration) so they were usually willing to give us heads up on major deliverables like tests/projects and were also willing to work with us... We do usually try to stay in school until the last possible minute too. Better to get to some of the classes than none of them. Unfortunately we have found that checking them out early without a doctors note is unexcused. While not showing up all day and sending in a "sick" note after the fact is excused. They do try to tell the teachers up front and try to plan accordingly though.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Dec 3, 2019 8:30:43 GMT -5
There are a lot of week long soccer events going on right in the middle of high school EOCs and Finals. That's a lot of local kids missing school. Especially for kids on a block schedule, that is A LOT of crucial class time missed. Seems there could be better times for these events. Not to mention, the college and US scouts will be spread pretty thin driving all over Florida to watch.
Winter DA Cup 12/4-12/14 ICC Futures 12/10-12/16 Super Y Nationals 12/13-12/17 ECNL Greer 12/6-12/8 (play on Friday)
Curious if any of you with kids on high level teams with opportunities like these simply opt out and refuse to miss school?
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Oct 26, 2019 7:29:25 GMT -5
Is there any way to see the roster for this event?
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NTH vs NTH
Oct 23, 2019 18:21:19 GMT -5
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Oct 23, 2019 18:21:19 GMT -5
I’m guessing those clubs are probably also annoyed that Tophat thought their 08 Gold team was too good to play SCCL with everyone else’s top team. Everyone assumed U12 would be the last year all the local top teams all played each other. But NTH pulled out.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Oct 14, 2019 14:04:23 GMT -5
If a U12 team went to Texas for the DPL Showcase/Friendlies, that is the 08 2nd team. I believe the 08 top team won in WAGS this past weekend. So those DPL girls you refer to are on track to be U13 DPL next year. As far as I know both the 08 top team and the 07 top team (called Pre-DA) are not playing regular games in any league whatsoever. The 07 team can bite their tongues and say they will be U14 DA next year. But the 08 team has to bite their tongues for 2 years. Agree it was silly not to put them in SCCL with the other top 08 teams.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Oct 10, 2019 6:39:36 GMT -5
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Oct 1, 2019 12:38:27 GMT -5
I guess it depends on the depth of your subs. Some team's subs are virtually as strong as the starters. The starting spot is won and lost week to week. In these cases, fresh legs from a solid sub is a big benefit to a team.
I am torn on the general concept though. If I am paying ECNL fees and committing to all the travel the same as everyone else on the team, I would hope my kid is playing at least half a game. I would definitely look to find a new team if they weren't. The grass isn't always greener though. Likely these same players will be #12-18 on the next team too. You would hope the coach knows his competition well enough to allow #12-18 to get their ample playing time in at appropriate times.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Oct 1, 2019 12:29:12 GMT -5
There are only four teams in the new DPL South league. They play everyone 3 times for a total of 9 games. And they are all out of state teams.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Sept 25, 2019 15:01:55 GMT -5
Concorde’s 01/02 Composite team is truly composite. I asked the coach after we played them and he said players last year were at TH and CF ECNL, SSA NPL and CF and SSA SCCL teams. Also interestingly, there is no Platinum team only Premier. The forum is good for helping with people who are misinformed. When Concorde was given 2 teams it was for a certain age group and BELOW. So the 02/01 age group was not included in the 2 teams per age group. Concorde and SSA both posted during tryouts this past May that the tryouts would be combined (at least on paper) for all the age groups with 2 teams (07, 06, 05, 04, 03). Behind the scenes it appears that one coach from SSA (most premier) and one coach from Concorde (mostly platinum) was assigned to each age group. For the most part, there are exceptions, the top 18 made the Platinum, the next 17 or 18 made premiere. There are exceptions because some children may not want to change teams. Or some coaches may not want to open the team to new players. It appears that maybe there wasnt a one size fits all approach given for each age group. Either way both teams have only played a handful of games and people are already worried about next year! I think the parents that are there are pretty happy... So let them be. There is plenty of time to discuss 2020 - 21 next April, and May if and when new announcements are made. This is absolutely not true. 05 and 07 tryouts were held in completely separate locations at the same time. Players chose which location/team they wanted to try out for. It was not at all top 18 on Platinum and next 18 on Premier. 06 was a combined tryout, however, a few players that Platinum was interested in voluntarily chose to play on Premier given their location preference. I think the directors and coaches seem to discount the fact that families really may not want to drive further for the same level team. 05, 06, and 07 Premier are all based out of SSA and run by SSA coaches. 04, 03, 02/01, and 02/01 Composite Platinum AND Premier are all run out of Concorde and are run by Concorde coaches. There are both Platinum and Premier teams in the 02/01 age group. The only one that does not have both is 02/01 Composite. So there are actually 3 ECNL teams 02/01 could be considered for. But I do agree with you that families on both Platinum and Premier seem happy where they are so let them be. I'm sure there will be 10 other rumors of mergers, alliances, clubs losing leagues, and new leagues forming before tryout season so no sense worrying about it now.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Sept 20, 2019 7:31:00 GMT -5
That's interesting. Pretty much all of TH top team has been invited to NTC's by now. Someone go ahead and share the initials. Or I guess it will be public soon enough.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Sept 18, 2019 15:11:35 GMT -5
These are primarily DOC submissions at least the first year. Some DOC's have said they take it literally and only send players they truly think have potential to be on the national team. Other DOC's seem to send their entire top team. And I'm sure the smaller clubs aren't even notified about them at all. I guess that's the subjective nature of talent identification.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Aug 3, 2019 7:09:30 GMT -5
As a TM, this might push me over the edge. This a awful! And at our club for the younger ages it is still a pool. Coaches don’t set Disney rosters until late October. So you wouldn’t even know who to charge the $200 and they can’t officially book yet anyway. I used to have to hold the rooms and make up some BS names so it “looked” booked. But now with the deposit and the requirement to stay, that would be hard. Are they saying you need to book a separate room for every player??? Surely you can just say 2/3/4 players are staying in one room to cover your roster? I remember for Disney 3v3 they used to require every name on the roster have a home. You could share but needed both parents to sign something. What a nightmare. I’m all in on the Disney boycott! And while we are at it, let’s boycott being TMs too! I guess this already did push me over the edge 😂
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Jul 15, 2019 12:27:10 GMT -5
GSA 02 Boys ECNL are also playing in the ENPL Final Championship game today in Colorado.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Jun 18, 2019 13:20:03 GMT -5
Concorde posted all of their ECNL and DA teams... U16/17 DA Boys U18 ECNL Boys U16 ECNL Boys U14 ECNL Boys U13 ECNL Platinum Girls U14 ECNL Platinum Girls U14 ECNL Premier Girls U15 ECNL Platinum Girls U16 ECNL Platinum Girls U17 ECNL Platinum Girls U18 ECNL Platinum Girls
SSA 03B NPL (U16) is also headed to the ENPL Playoffs in Rockford, IL.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Jun 12, 2019 9:04:55 GMT -5
Girls: Please note, this is an ever evolving landscape. Last year SSA did not have access to ECNL so their top team (large club) played NPL. To their credit they won the highest league they had access to. This year SSA has access to ECNL through CF and thus their top teams play ECNL with 2nd teams playing SCCL and their teams NPL. So it is a year by year AND club by club scenario. Not sure about boys as I only study and watch girls games SSA is going ECNL->SCCL->NPL? No. NPL is above SCCL at SSA in every age group except 08/U12. 08 SCCL will be the top team because it is the last age of Academy and all of the Big 5 clubs are on even playing ground with respect to leagues. No DA or ECNL yet. And yes 04gparent, it is an ever evolving landscape. Just like this year with Tophat giving up ECNL and adding the new DPL league. We definitely can't plan ahead from year to year.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Jun 11, 2019 8:52:44 GMT -5
So hateallthesechanges- at SSA do they put top girls in ecnl, then NPL, then Sccl-1, sccl-2 etc, so that their sccl teams are the 3rd and 4th teams? For 05 though 07 this is correct. 04 and older girls do not have the ECNL option so NPL is the top team. 08 top team will be SCCL before ECNL starts.
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