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KSA 01
May 31, 2019 8:19:23 GMT -5
Post by infoguy on May 31, 2019 8:19:23 GMT -5
Right, but post age-mandate change (ages becoming inflexible), if you play an ineligible above-age player...you should be barred from even coaching in the state for a decade at least. Needs to be serious penalties for cheating. And people wonder why SCCL was formed. Between the KSA teams and the Dalton based clubs playing ineligible above-age players and those clubs looking the other way or actively allowing it and creating player passes with not proof of age there is not a level playing field in the GA Soccer system. It seems GA Soccer doesn't really care to really put a "death penalty" type punishment on a club or two to fix this issue either. Ultimately that is what it will take to fix this issue since it is obvious some coaches and clubs do not care about the rules especially since there really is nothing more than a slap on the wrist if they get caught.
Fraud re: age is SOOO wrong, unfair to say the least, and aggravating as a parent/former team manager that followed the rules and expected everyone to do the same. I think the big clubs left USYS leagues, and continue to do so with the addition of SCCL-P, predominantly for other reasons.
Bottom line, watching KSA U18s and U19s, the overall athleticism is SO beyond their opponents. And with Dalton, I know also that the HS team kicked butt - and HS admin controls regarding age/eligibility are arguably stronger than USYS/GA Soccer.
Although there's history, age fraud isn't the key reason our boys are losing to these teams.
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Post by infoguy on May 30, 2019 9:03:01 GMT -5
Let’s see how day three results line up the teams for next rds Just curious if the group of players on the KSA Pro Profile 01 and 00 state cup teams are the same group of players that people in this group claim to be the best single teams in their age groups in GA, regardless of league. For instance, did a handful of players from either team end up playing elsewhere - DA tournament?
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Post by infoguy on May 29, 2019 15:34:29 GMT -5
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Post by infoguy on May 23, 2019 7:40:22 GMT -5
Can't be fun at Concorde right now... are they in danger of losing DA, or just not having enough coaches at the moment?
This is where I think the alliance with SSA helps most, and that is with coaches, some with UEFA licenses. Although CF has had more success over the years, in fairly recent history, SSA has acquired a collection of coaches that played and coached in the British Premier League -- including Simon Davey and Kelham O'Hanlon.
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Post by infoguy on May 22, 2019 8:22:26 GMT -5
SD will coach the U15 CF DA team. At the risk of doubting your intel, and we will see the official news posted soon, he coached the SSA U15s last year and won the division, so why now coach CF 15s? That doesn't make sense in terms of implementing the new CF/SSA alliance.
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Post by infoguy on May 22, 2019 8:19:45 GMT -5
Sorry. I won’t be a grinch or crush dreams “respectfully” ever again. I just learned a valuable lesson re online interaction and will from now enjoy this forum as a spectator versus a contributor. Please continue to contribute.
Your salient point about the player vs team is actually spot on IMO, less the comments about the parents and the moderator.
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Post by infoguy on May 21, 2019 6:33:34 GMT -5
With the new alliance and success of the SSA 15s, I believe Simon Davey from SSA is coaching the U17s. I know he will be a DA coach of a CF slotted team, just not 100% sure on the age group. This is word of mouth, albeit a reliable source, and I hope that this doesn't cause mass hysteria.
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Post by infoguy on May 20, 2019 10:13:04 GMT -5
Can we give USSDA some credit, in that they just don’t give a club full DA because one DA coach moves to that club? And I’m sure he would gladly coach ECNL rather than DA if he is making more $.
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Post by infoguy on May 14, 2019 9:18:27 GMT -5
I assume you are asking from the SSA perspective? Regarding one part with the CF Premier ECNL, will this continue with the 07's? If so, will this have an impact on the NPL long term? In the 2 age groups where SSA had both, their NPL girls are bottom of the table, telling me that basically like every other club they don't have the depth to field 2 high level teams concurrently. The SCCL teams in this group are mid-table, so not bad there. Are they going to be able to field an SCCL-P team capable of hanging with the current Athena A teams from the rest of the big 6? I'd be curious to hear from parents on these NPL teams.
To keep another thread from derailing, my post is to see what tryouts hosted by SSA for CF ECNL will look like, rather than the aftershock of possibly SSA NPL players and entire SSA NPL teams (in the case last year with the girls) playing ECNL under Concorde.
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Post by infoguy on May 14, 2019 7:34:08 GMT -5
With the second year of the alliance, apparently expanding to older age groups for the boys side too, curious what the respective clubs tryouts, etc. would look like this year?
The DA boys from SSA that have aged out, it's likely already decided who CF will want to take next season on their DA roster.
For the ECNL girls, we have already seen what form that has taken - CF has provided an entire ECNL slot, more or less.
For the older SSA boys, this is off the SSA web site (https://clubs.bluesombrero.com/Default.aspx?tabid=347705):
"17U, 19U Concorde (BOYS) ECNL Tryouts: Through a partnership with Concorde Fire, players interested in playing on the Boy's ECNL program's teams in the 17U and 19U age groups are invited to attend tryouts hosted by SSA."
Really, how in the heck will this older boys' tryouts for ECNL be handled? Will CF come to SSA fields with their ECNL players and hold a scrimmage? If so, then CF would basically bring their boys that are already selected to play ECNL on their side (duh!). And, would they really take an SSA player?
Interested in your thoughts here.
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Post by infoguy on May 13, 2019 5:48:00 GMT -5
Just got an email my DD was selected, does anyone have a player that has participated in the past? If so, I would like your feedback. Thanks My son did it last year, and it is an honor and a fun day. However, I didn't see one college coach there recruiting.
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Post by infoguy on May 8, 2019 6:30:34 GMT -5
Ultimatedad you are funny. Tophat's second team was middle of the pack of ECNL with almost all new players on each team. Team didn't have much time to GEL but still preformed well. The SCCL teams that were former RPL came in first in every division but 2, and one of those teams lost due to goal differential. So again I enjoy your comedy because you make me laugh [br Goal keeper Dad I love people that are easily ammused! Yes you are right that Tophat was in the middle of the pack in ECNL. The year before they were in ECNL they were in RPL and finished at or near the bottom. This is why tge National League might be a bit much for them. NpL is a little less copetitive than the NL but stronger than the SCCL. That is why it would be a good fit for the second teams. It varies by gender/age, but I'm not sure how you can say that NL is more competitive than NPL, when the major clubs vacated USYS (left RPL) to establish SCCL and NPL with U.S. Club Soccer. For some clubs, like SSA, their top teams formerly in RPL are NPL--on both the boys and girls side. Some of the new NL teams are only there because of the openings created by the major clubs leaving.
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Post by infoguy on May 7, 2019 8:16:14 GMT -5
You forgot Piedmont conference.. And the new ecrl (not here..yet) Piedmont Conference is the local conference under NL.
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Post by infoguy on May 7, 2019 5:59:08 GMT -5
This sounds like we have an even bigger mess on our hands. 2 new alphabet leagues in one year. Hopefully we can add 3 more for 2020-2021. We can't get all the top girls in the state onto the top 6-10 teams in the state. So we're just going to fracture and water things down further. It's just evidence (to me) that the USSF DA approach to gathering top players into relatively few clubs is misguided. DA is not USSF DA, its USYS My chart is dated, but it reads that DA is under the USSF (U.S. Soccer) org/league chart as a standalone, distinct from Youth Soccer (USYS and U.S. Club Soccer).
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Post by infoguy on Apr 30, 2019 7:05:32 GMT -5
All these coaches do this to make extra $, but my experience has never been when they only want to train "elite" players. So ridiculous.
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Post by infoguy on Apr 24, 2019 6:04:40 GMT -5
Requires a subscription.
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Post by infoguy on Apr 22, 2019 12:14:32 GMT -5
There is no way to answer this universally, because depending on the club, age and gender, a team from one league can beat another on any given day. Generally speaking, the clubs now a part of US Club Soccer leagues are the major clubs with room for a player to grow. The NL, which is USYS, is not necessarily earned by all clubs - some clubs play in the NL because the major clubs vacated their old, RPL slots when they switched over to US Club Soccer. There are exceptions, again depending on the club, age and gender.
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Post by infoguy on Apr 18, 2019 6:23:01 GMT -5
Wow, shocker, another discussion about leagues by club results in posts about one girls, ECNL age group!
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Post by infoguy on Apr 17, 2019 12:28:18 GMT -5
I will not pretend to understand the structure, but I think a lot of the conversation on this thread is not correct. US Club is used as the registration system for ECNL, but to my knowledge has nothing else to do with the program. In fact, NPL and ECNL are competing organizations which don’t get along. I don’t think being on the US Club board helps a club get ECNL at all.
Right, it's speculation. Speculation about what it means for an SSA Director of Coaching to be on the Board. Seems like there's a reason why SSA has been shutout all this time from ECNL, so folks have theorized that it's politics. If that's true, then this should squash that.
That said, U.S. Club Soccer is a league with employees, and it has a Board - it's not a registration system, unless I'm taking you too literally.
NPL and ECNL are not competing organizations, they are different leagues. In fact, the top NPL teams play against the top ECNL teams in the ENPL tournament. NPL and ECNL also don't compete with SCCL. They are different tiers.
That said, you might be right and the fact that Simon Davey serving on the board may not result in SSA getting ECNL. That said, if you look at the criteria for earning ECNL status, I'm sure he will advocate. U.S. Club Soccer has recognized SSA for its organization, structure, fields, coaching, etc. in the recent past.
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Post by infoguy on Apr 17, 2019 7:38:16 GMT -5
What do you mean that if SSA drops NPL, it "will have to compete"? Compete for a spot in the league? [/div]
[/quote] Concorde and SSA have loaned players (Over U15 B is all I know of) for playing in Pre-Season Tournaments, DA (DP), NPL and SCCL because there are no rules to stop it. If SSA drops NPL to be in ECNL with Concorde then they will not be able to loan or swap players like they are doing now. Keep in mind these are not full time DA players for Fall but open to Spring. There might be non DA as well that I don’t know of. [/quote][/div]
The 2 clubs would compete with each other if both in ECNL - got it.
As for loaning or swapping players at the older boys' ages, I can tell you that I'm not aware as a parent of U19B SSA NPL of that happening (although there could be a reason for that related to player quality).
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Post by infoguy on Apr 17, 2019 6:48:44 GMT -5
Where is the evidence that SSA will be ECNL, jumping from NPL? Concorde and SSA are utilizing players in DA as well as ECNL/NPL/SCCL. If SSA drops NPL then they will have to compete. Not sure about the switch to not be in NPL? Right, no evidence yet. However, it's interesting that the DC of SSA is on the board of U.S. Club Soccer, so we all speculate on the ramifications.
We speculate also because there are rumors that former board members (or board members partial to other clubs) shut SSA out of ECNL over the years...
What do you mean that if SSA drops NPL, it "will have to compete"? Compete for a spot in the league?
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Post by infoguy on Apr 17, 2019 6:45:49 GMT -5
U.S. Club Soccer doesn't offer Super Y, Super Y is under USL.
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Post by infoguy on Apr 16, 2019 17:28:50 GMT -5
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Post by infoguy on Apr 12, 2019 6:35:45 GMT -5
I agree 100% that NTH will remain equally successful should they choose ECNL or GDA. Tophat has a fantastic reputation for compiling and developing talent. The only reason anyone is assuming they will drop ECNL is because that's what some have been saying they're hearing. I have no skin in it and have no sources at Tophat, and despite how it may seem I don't relish in their loss of on or the other, just objective about the reasoning. I enjoy a bit of the chaos in tryout time. This is our first year where we will not be changing clubs. Although switching clubs is a frequent occurrence, I think you hit the nail on the head -- TH and other clubs with reputable coaching and developing talent will retain players as long as the competition is there during the season. I say this, and my kids is not with NTH/NASA.
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Post by infoguy on Apr 11, 2019 6:07:06 GMT -5
Agreed. The whole SSA not having their own 1ECNL thing is a bit odd. I believe the rumors were that they continually got blocked by AFC and Tophat... or something like that? And it would be hard being the 2nd team in the same league, but teams have done it in the past, right? I was just tossing out a "out of left field" theory. Not sure how AFC would block given that they do not have ECNL, but it’s possible that AFU and Tophat are blocking. Welcome to the world of exclusive invitation only leagues. But fear not, Concorde will take care of SSA. Concorde is not dedicated to taking care of SSA. They have to benefit too. For instance, they have an ECNL spot for SSA on a team for team basis - CF gave one SSA girls team a slot because it reflected positively on CF brand and I suspect made $.
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Post by infoguy on Apr 9, 2019 12:04:22 GMT -5
Interesting, in that it seemed that NASA benefited with ECNL because of their merger with ECNL perennial favorite TopHat. I am not sure if ECNL will take kindly to Tophat leaving, and they would also be OK with NASA keeping ECNL status. Aren't they pressuring the all-ECNL approach?
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Post by infoguy on Mar 29, 2019 17:07:00 GMT -5
So this is only about the U15s? That would make sense
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Post by infoguy on Mar 29, 2019 17:05:05 GMT -5
Another thread derailed.
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Post by infoguy on Mar 29, 2019 15:13:35 GMT -5
There has to be some sort of collective conversations about players, then otherwise what makes it different than just an SSA player going to Concorde and trying out like any other player off the street. I think an SSA coach would help grease the skids for an SSA player to get a solid look and consideration during CF tryouts - for that NPL player to potentially play ECNL or DA boys. I seriously doubt there will a pool of players where SSA and CF coaches are sharing information in an objective manner.
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Post by infoguy on Mar 29, 2019 13:31:22 GMT -5
The alliance is not entirely clear to me, as an SSA parent, as it is varied based on age and gender - and probably at the whim of CF and what benefits them. For instance, as many of you know, last year CF basically gave an entire ECNL girls slot (1 of their 2 girls ECNL teams at same age) to SSA because the SSA girls team was super strong. And, with boys DA at the young ages at SSA, SSA can tell them there’s CF that they can possibly transition to - and direct them to CF, which benefits CF. Now with older boys and girls thrown into the alliance, SSA boys can maybe have an easier road to joining CF ECNL or DA, if they don’t want to just accept/stay at the SSA NPL level. But like the boys playing DA at SSA, they will have to try out at CF. The benefit to SSA players if that they have the blessing of their SSA coach, and the SSA coach would confer with the CF coaches. However, it won’t be a sit down of SSA and CF coaches where they make assignments based on their collective pool of players. CF will hold their tryouts separately - it won’t be a wholesale swap like the SSA girls last season—especially given there is only one CF ECNL boys team.
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